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James48

(4,435 posts)
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 05:03 PM Nov 2015

Teen arrested for homemade clock seeking $15M in damages

Source: USA Today/ TV 11 Atlanta

IRVING, Texas -- Attorneys for the family of Ahmed Mohamed, the Irving High School student who made international headlines after being arrested earlier this year for bringing a homemade clock to school, have sent letters to both the city of Irving and the Irving School District demanding apologies and $15 million in damages.

Both letters claim that Mohamed's civil rights were violated, and he and his family have suffered physical and mental anguish because of the ordeal.

The letters claim Ahmed was singled out "because of his race, national origin, and religion."

"Ahmed never threatened anyone, never caused harm to anyone, and never intended to," read the letter to the city. "The only one who was hurt that day was Ahmed, and the damages he suffered were not because of oversight or incompetence. The school and city officials involved knew what they needed to do to protect Ahmed's rights. They just decided not to do it."

Read more: http://www.11alive.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/11/23/ahmed-mohamed-suing/76262308/



Worth $15 million?
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Teen arrested for homemade clock seeking $15M in damages (Original Post) James48 Nov 2015 OP
Good. Not sure it's a $15 million offense, but it's definitely meritworthy, closeupready Nov 2015 #1
Grifters. TwilightGardener Nov 2015 #2
The kid got VIP treatment in the WH, then bolts to Quatar with family, now he's suing. thereismore Nov 2015 #3
Your implication seems irrelevant... at best. LanternWaste Nov 2015 #10
You are right. He should sue them. nt thereismore Nov 2015 #50
He also never built a clock. 840high Nov 2015 #4
Hell, for that crime maybe he should be arrested for impersonating a clock. randys1 Nov 2015 #26
IMO - asking for $15 million is cheeky. 840high Nov 2015 #42
Of course it is cheeky to you. Not surprised one bit. randys1 Nov 2015 #43
Hate surprises - good for u. 840high Nov 2015 #60
Agreed. nt thereismore Nov 2015 #51
You always sue for more than you think you can get. cannabis_flower Nov 2015 #73
The point is... William Seger Nov 2015 #103
Ridiculous, so you think the kid was trying to make it look like a bomb randys1 Nov 2015 #105
What I said was... William Seger Nov 2015 #109
Jesus, the reason is he was doing a project. had nothing to do with a bomb until some randys1 Nov 2015 #110
Let me say this again William Seger Nov 2015 #117
A project for what? The2ndWheel Nov 2015 #122
It was all a plan to scare white people into overreacting so he could sue, America randys1 Nov 2015 #123
So whatever it was, it wasn't a project The2ndWheel Nov 2015 #125
EAsy to scare some white folks, I guess randys1 Nov 2015 #126
What was the project? 840high Nov 2015 #127
To scare white people. IT comes down to either he meant it to look like a bomb or he randys1 Nov 2015 #128
I don't care if he's brown, white, green - he lost me. 840high Nov 2015 #131
Uh huh. You betcha LOL I told you the project, randys1 Nov 2015 #132
I had a LOT of sympathy for him... William Seger Nov 2015 #136
THe kid wasnt trying to make them think he had a bomb. But I can see why randys1 Nov 2015 #137
He wasn't trying to make them think he had a bomb The2ndWheel Nov 2015 #142
The way the police PatSeg Nov 2015 #5
NOt at all. They wont get anywhere near that amount, but a successful suit is the ONLY randys1 Nov 2015 #27
What's his race? Quantess Nov 2015 #93
It'll be settled before it goes to court for an undisclosed amount — which will be a lot less brush Nov 2015 #37
Except the community will pay this hurting many others nt riderinthestorm Nov 2015 #39
They have a reserve insurance fund for law suits brush Nov 2015 #45
No they shouldn't get away scot free riderinthestorm Nov 2015 #49
You know how it works. They ask for a lot and settle for an undisclosed amount — much less . . . brush Nov 2015 #52
$15 million looks bad and will turn off a lot of supporters riderinthestorm Nov 2015 #55
The community that voted in a racist Teabagger mayor who squawks about tblue37 Nov 2015 #54
Ok riderinthestorm Nov 2015 #57
Good point PatSeg Nov 2015 #64
you always put a pie in the sky number treestar Nov 2015 #90
Ridiculous. Owl Nov 2015 #6
It sure was, treating that kid that way because he isnt white, very ridiculous randys1 Nov 2015 #28
If he had showed up at the 840high Nov 2015 #44
the $15 million is to make the squeel. Javaman Nov 2015 #7
The cops wont be paying that money leftynyc Nov 2015 #19
and perhaps after this, the moron people of that area will vote out Javaman Nov 2015 #21
I'm with you Javaman vkkv Nov 2015 #25
Wow - haven't been called leftynyc Nov 2015 #85
Yup, hit em in the pocket book. dinkytron Nov 2015 #89
Oh my god what a ridiculous and slanderous thing to say. randys1 Nov 2015 #29
I don't care that you're pissed leftynyc Nov 2015 #83
I dont think they can sue the cops personally, and even if they could it would NOT randys1 Nov 2015 #104
They're not even suing leftynyc Nov 2015 #107
Ransom? Man, you really are completely out of it here. I cant say more randys1 Nov 2015 #108
Let's see leftynyc Nov 2015 #116
I'm in agreement with you, christx30 Nov 2015 #120
I think they both work leftynyc Nov 2015 #124
Here's another opportunity for you leftynyc Nov 2015 #91
I'm with you. 840high Nov 2015 #129
Suing for the Big Bucks... vkkv Nov 2015 #33
Exactly! The kid was treated wrongly, but I think this family smirkymonkey Nov 2015 #34
Yes they have. 840high Nov 2015 #46
Grifters? So you think no one should have to pay for the racist way the boy was treated? brush Nov 2015 #38
I don't think the TAXPAYERS leftynyc Nov 2015 #84
EXACTLY!! I'm sure he won't get anything near 15 million - but he certainly deserves a settlement Douglas Carpenter Nov 2015 #20
+1 to your whole post - all of it. closeupready Nov 2015 #23
yes, it is shocking to hear it from Republican but when people who think are liberals are pushing Douglas Carpenter Nov 2015 #65
Consider Robert Byrd or George Wallace. closeupready Nov 2015 #101
Hurt who? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2015 #30
+1 nt riderinthestorm Nov 2015 #40
please read my reply.... Javaman Nov 2015 #96
Good luck with that. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2015 #118
better than not trying. Javaman Nov 2015 #119
I reject the false dilemma of 'not trying' being the only alternative to collective punishment Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2015 #121
LOL Javaman Nov 2015 #133
Clearly this was a case of the police and the school being Blue_Tires Nov 2015 #8
Next time they want to save face, go to a plastic surgeon. It's cheaper. nt Xipe Totec Nov 2015 #9
Either that or just swallow your fucking pride and admit it was Blue_Tires Nov 2015 #13
Try to plug something like that christx30 Nov 2015 #11
That didn't sound bitter at all. nt Xipe Totec Nov 2015 #15
At a time when Texas is closing schools because christx30 Nov 2015 #141
Um.. The White House has Blue_Tires Nov 2015 #16
Also, kentauros Nov 2015 #53
The clock wasn't a project, and he wasn't asked to bring it to school. TexasMommaWithAHat Nov 2015 #63
Nonetheless, kentauros Nov 2015 #67
My point was that the teacher recognized that it might be deemed suspicious TexasMommaWithAHat Nov 2015 #68
I'm just saying I'm old enough to remember Blue_Tires Nov 2015 #72
Good point kentauros Nov 2015 #81
Maybe that was before a hundred crime shows TexasMommaWithAHat Nov 2015 #95
Might be mistaken for a bomb by mouth breathing right wing idiots with zero education. nt Xipe Totec Nov 2015 #143
Most people have only seen bombs on tv TexasMommaWithAHat Nov 2015 #144
huh? getagrip_already Nov 2015 #12
I'll agree $15m is high Blue_Tires Nov 2015 #17
I doubt this ever goes to trial but the video of him laughing and admitting PoliticAverse Nov 2015 #14
And he just lost me as a supporter leftynyc Nov 2015 #18
No, the police and school district were WAY out of line and vkkv Nov 2015 #24
And now the taxpayers leftynyc Nov 2015 #86
The tax payers always foot the bill jamzrockz Nov 2015 #113
I know leftynyc Nov 2015 #115
He and his family lost me, too. I'm 840high Nov 2015 #48
Really? Politicalboi Nov 2015 #56
Seriously? Do a project that just MIGHT catch the attention of police and other vkkv Nov 2015 #66
I have an opinion. You have an opinion. 840high Nov 2015 #71
The Westboro Baptist "church" has christx30 Nov 2015 #75
It wasn't a project The2ndWheel Nov 2015 #94
I hadn't thought of that leftynyc Nov 2015 #87
That right there proves he's a real American. Blue_In_AK Nov 2015 #22
The only way they will stop is if *everyone* sues the crap out of them Sunlei Nov 2015 #31
The justice system will sort this out. katsy Nov 2015 #32
Now she deserves 15M. The boy and his family will settled out of court for a lot less brush Nov 2015 #41
Agree katsy Nov 2015 #58
The people who were damaged the most were his sisters. They had to move to Quatar. StevieM Nov 2015 #35
So true. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #36
An excellent point that will be missed by most here ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2015 #74
But I don't blame the taxpayers leftynyc Nov 2015 #88
He needs the money to go to bomb making school in Qatar hollowdweller Nov 2015 #47
He doesn't have to go that far Politicalboi Nov 2015 #59
Sure that is what the admins and some of the townspeople believe too Person 2713 Nov 2015 #70
No, not worth $15 million or even $1 million. Maybe $150,000 or so. nt cstanleytech Nov 2015 #61
I'm Going For "Enough For College" ProfessorGAC Nov 2015 #135
Which is why I said $150,000 or so, that should knock off a huge chunk for the kid. nt cstanleytech Nov 2015 #138
Bear in mind that after taxes they would end up with a mere $9 million or so. (nt) Nye Bevan Nov 2015 #62
This message was self-deleted by its author closeupready Nov 2015 #77
Worth it so they get a reign on school admins & cops judging criminal potential based on race or Person 2713 Nov 2015 #69
I'm pretty sure Texas NEEDS that money for education. Galraedia Nov 2015 #76
This was the plan all along Aria36 Nov 2015 #78
First post. A freeper sneaking in? Liberal_in_LA Nov 2015 #79
You got me Aria36 Nov 2015 #80
The family appears to be professional shit-stirrers and attention-seekers. TwilightGardener Nov 2015 #102
Maybe there's a reality show in the making... Aria36 Nov 2015 #106
Dead Homeless Man Gets $5 Million Democat Nov 2015 #82
What is his race, again? Muslim? Quantess Nov 2015 #92
Years ago greymattermom Nov 2015 #111
The lawsuit lottery.....part of the new American way. ileus Nov 2015 #97
I wish this would happen more often, esp victims of police suing for damage. librechik Nov 2015 #98
Good, bankrupt them. nt bemildred Nov 2015 #99
Them are the taxpayer Democat Nov 2015 #112
They are the city government, and they are the tax-spenders, not the tax-payers. nt bemildred Nov 2015 #114
"Worth $15 million?" mahatmakanejeeves Nov 2015 #100
...+1 840high Nov 2015 #130
And apologies are free - yet, he needs to file a lawsuit to get one? closeupready Nov 2015 #134
Just because they moved back to Qatar does not give the police or school a cstanleytech Nov 2015 #139
The little shyster can go to Qatar and never come back... Dawson Leery Nov 2015 #140
 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
1. Good. Not sure it's a $15 million offense, but it's definitely meritworthy,
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 05:07 PM
Nov 2015

and I hope he succeeds.

Certainly, apologies are free.

thereismore

(13,326 posts)
3. The kid got VIP treatment in the WH, then bolts to Quatar with family, now he's suing.
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 05:08 PM
Nov 2015

A bit excessive. The clock was just a disassembled and reassembled clock.
 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
10. Your implication seems irrelevant... at best.
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 05:30 PM
Nov 2015

Did he receive that same VIP from the local PD and school authorities? No? Then it seems rather irrelevant, at best.

Odd though that you imply that the student's response was excessive, but not those who originally cuffed and interrogated him.

William Seger

(10,778 posts)
103. The point is...
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 12:27 PM
Nov 2015

... it's really hard to imagine any reason that he took a clock apart and put it in a case unless he was trying to simulate a bomb, and he's certainly old enough to realize what it looked like. I do think the school over-reacted to what appears to be a prank by having him arrested, and that might well be because of prejudice, but I'm not buying the "innocent misunderstanding" line.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
105. Ridiculous, so you think the kid was trying to make it look like a bomb
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 12:38 PM
Nov 2015

Well, your type of attitude and thinking is why this is a story.

The officials agreed with you, they saw a BROWN kid with something that didnt look right...

you bet

Keep up this horrible attitude (cant call it what it actually is in white America without being silenced) and you will get a real shit storm

Like Trump who now says Black people should be beaten, possibly killed, if they speak.

William Seger

(10,778 posts)
109. What I said was...
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 01:10 PM
Nov 2015

... I can't think of any other reason he would take a clock apart and put it in a case and then take it to school, and that has nothing whatsoever to do with his ethnicity. I couldn't care very much less how "ridiculous" you find that "horrible attitude" since you can't seem to think of any reason, either.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
110. Jesus, the reason is he was doing a project. had nothing to do with a bomb until some
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 01:12 PM
Nov 2015

scared white asshole said it looked like one

Race war could come to America if certain folks dont cut this shit out


not calling poster here asshole, so the hiders go away please

William Seger

(10,778 posts)
117. Let me say this again
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 01:37 PM
Nov 2015

My opinion -- which is only my opinion -- has nothing whatsoever to do with his ethnicity. You, on the other hand, seem to be quite comfortable with your prejudices.

The2ndWheel

(7,947 posts)
122. A project for what?
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 02:12 PM
Nov 2015

Did any of his teachers assign him a project to do? Did he enter it into some science fair?

randys1

(16,286 posts)
123. It was all a plan to scare white people into overreacting so he could sue, America
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 02:14 PM
Nov 2015

is a RABIDLY racist country which means MANY Americans are rabidly racist

randys1

(16,286 posts)
128. To scare white people. IT comes down to either he meant it to look like a bomb or he
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 03:08 PM
Nov 2015

didnt.

I know what you believe

randys1

(16,286 posts)
132. Uh huh. You betcha LOL I told you the project,
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 03:18 PM
Nov 2015

either it was to look like a bomb or it wasnt.

You believe it was

You DESPERATELY and you are not alone want this kid to be guilty of something and hate the idea that he might get this money

i know that

William Seger

(10,778 posts)
136. I had a LOT of sympathy for him...
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 04:35 PM
Nov 2015

... when I thought he "invented" or "made" a clock and just wanted to show it off. My opinion changed when I found out he just stuffed a clock in a case. If you believe it was just a "project" then what was the purpose of this invention? Was the clock just too small in its original case? Did he perceive a need for keeping the time secret in a closed case?

!4-year-olds are immature enough to sometimes do stupid things, but that doesn't mean they're stupid. I'm just having a hard time believing he didn't know it looked like a bomb.

As I said, I think the school overreacted by having him arrested so he may well have a case, but I'm not buying the "innocent misunderstanding" bit.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
137. THe kid wasnt trying to make them think he had a bomb. But I can see why
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 05:18 PM
Nov 2015

white people would think that.

Most Brown people in America know better.

The2ndWheel

(7,947 posts)
142. He wasn't trying to make them think he had a bomb
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 06:20 PM
Nov 2015

He also had no other reason to bring it in either. If he was trying to impress his teacher, he did, and that same teacher told him not to show it to anyone else. Then he did anyway.

What happens if he doesn't go out of his way to bring the clock into school? Nothing. What happens if he leaves it with the first teacher and takes it home at the end of the day? Nothing. What happens if he just tinkers with things in the garage? Nothing. Nobody stopped him from doing it. Nobody was watching him. They weren't tracking his clock purchases because he's a young Muslim male.

PatSeg

(47,399 posts)
5. The way the police
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 05:10 PM
Nov 2015

and the school district handled the situation was wrong, but it feels like the boy and his family have been taking advantage of the whole thing. $15 million is over-the-top.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
27. NOt at all. They wont get anywhere near that amount, but a successful suit is the ONLY
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 06:31 PM
Nov 2015

way to stop racist assholes from acting like they did.

brush

(53,764 posts)
37. It'll be settled before it goes to court for an undisclosed amount — which will be a lot less
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 07:28 PM
Nov 2015

We all know how that works. You sue for a lot more than you expect to get.

I say go for it. The school district is certainly at fault in how they treated the boy, maybe not 15M at fault but he should get something.

They certainly won't treat anyone like that again after shelling out a substantial amount.

brush

(53,764 posts)
45. They have a reserve insurance fund for law suits
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 07:39 PM
Nov 2015

Surely you don't think they should be able to get away scott free for their racist behavior?

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
49. No they shouldn't get away scot free
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 07:43 PM
Nov 2015

But asking for $15 million really paints the family in a terrible light.

And the insurance company may pay but the rate increase will certainly hit the community (if the ins co doesn't completely drop them)

Sorry I guess I think the family erases a big chunk of support with this lawsuit

brush

(53,764 posts)
52. You know how it works. They ask for a lot and settle for an undisclosed amount — much less . . .
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 07:55 PM
Nov 2015

but still enough to make racist a holes in authority think twice before they treat someone like that again.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
55. $15 million looks bad and will turn off a lot of supporters
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 08:11 PM
Nov 2015

and I'd say the racist assholes aren't going to think about this lawsuit, not one bit since this episode won't ever personally "cost" them.

tblue37

(65,328 posts)
54. The community that voted in a racist Teabagger mayor who squawks about
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 08:09 PM
Nov 2015

how the Muslims are coming to impose Sharia law on their good Christian community.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
57. Ok
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 08:13 PM
Nov 2015

not everyone in that community is a racist Teabagger.



I just think asking for $15 million in compensation taints the whole episode. It's turning off supporters and I hate to see that.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
90. you always put a pie in the sky number
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 06:31 AM
Nov 2015

so as to make sure you don't price yourself out of what the verdict is.

 

840high

(17,196 posts)
44. If he had showed up at the
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 07:38 PM
Nov 2015

White House with his clock - would have been treated same way. No matter what color.

Javaman

(62,517 posts)
7. the $15 million is to make the squeel.
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 05:17 PM
Nov 2015

he won't get that much but it's enough for everyone to sit up and take notice.

you did, didn't you?

that's the point.

if we are going to hit back at these racist pricks, we have to make it hurt.

that way they will think twice next time before they act like total racist assholes.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
19. The cops wont be paying that money
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 05:51 PM
Nov 2015

It'll be the taxpayers. So no, there is nothing keeping them from being racist assholes. The family are grifters.

Javaman

(62,517 posts)
21. and perhaps after this, the moron people of that area will vote out
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 05:55 PM
Nov 2015

these asshole racist board members.

that's how it works.

yes, there will be financial pain, however, if they had a school board with an ounce of brains, this wouldn't be an issue.



 

vkkv

(3,384 posts)
25. I'm with you Javaman
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 06:27 PM
Nov 2015

LeftyNYC has taken offense to my previous defense of a Palestinian nation.. Palestinians.. meaning Muslims, who are in conflict with Israel.
 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
85. Wow - haven't been called
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 06:12 AM
Nov 2015

an Islamophobe in at least a week by someone here for merely having the nerve to disagree. Yawn.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
29. Oh my god what a ridiculous and slanderous thing to say.
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 06:32 PM
Nov 2015

No, it wont keep any invididual from being a racist, it WILL keep school boards and police departments from employing them, however


Grifters, god damn that pisses me off

REALLY pisses me off

Grifters, FUCK THAT


and libel, since you wrote it here....

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
83. I don't care that you're pissed
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 06:08 AM
Nov 2015

$15 million dollars? From the taxpayers? How about they sue the police PERSONALLY? Nah - payout wont be big enough.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
104. I dont think they can sue the cops personally, and even if they could it would NOT
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 12:34 PM
Nov 2015

resolve the problem.

The problem is administrators and officials hiring assholes, they need to be held accountable.

You wont ever get this, I assume.

Some folks, when they get money, decide that new priorities are in order, which is a shame.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
116. Let's see
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 01:35 PM
Nov 2015

A THREAT to sue (why not just sue?) if they don't pay up to the tune of $15 million. What the fuck would you call it?

christx30

(6,241 posts)
120. I'm in agreement with you,
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 01:58 PM
Nov 2015

though I would say 'extortion' is slightly more accurate than 'ransom'. Splitting hairs, I know.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
91. Here's another opportunity for you
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 06:31 AM
Nov 2015

to teach me a real lesson by posting TWO angry emoticons. It actually sounds to me like extortion:

Attorneys for Ahmed Mohamed's family on Monday sent a letter to city and school officials who mistook his clock for a bomb that demanded they pay millions of dollars or else face a civil lawsuit, according to The Dallas Morning News.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ahmed-mohamed-compensation-civil-lawsuit

They'll forego the trouble of a lawsuit - if the city and school district pay up. This is what you're defending.

Feel free to look up my posts from the time. I supported this kid up and down the line - not anymore.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
34. Exactly! The kid was treated wrongly, but I think this family
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 07:07 PM
Nov 2015

has been milking it for all it's worth.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
84. I don't think the TAXPAYERS
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 06:09 AM
Nov 2015

should have to pay. Let them sue the teacher/police personally. $15 million dollars. That's a disgrace.

Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
20. EXACTLY!! I'm sure he won't get anything near 15 million - but he certainly deserves a settlement
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 05:52 PM
Nov 2015

of some sort and a formal apology from the perpetrators. And the bigots need to learn that there is a price be paid for pulling this shit. But, then again when bigots are welcomed on one of the most liberal websites on the Internet - why should anyone think they might pay a price for their abuse?

Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
65. yes, it is shocking to hear it from Republican but when people who think are liberals are pushing
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 08:54 PM
Nov 2015

xenophobia, hate and bigotry. But when the administration of one of the most liberal forums on the Internet don't seem to think it is any big deal - what is one supposed to think?

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
101. Consider Robert Byrd or George Wallace.
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 12:11 PM
Nov 2015

Perhaps there is a part of the Democratic Party that always was and always will be deeply racist?

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
30. Hurt who?
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 06:37 PM
Nov 2015

Give you a hint, it's not the police or the people working in the schools who lose the money. It doesn't 'get back at' them in the slightest. It ends up hurting the community and the other students, on whom less money will end up being spent for their educations.

Until such lawsuits actually DO come out of the pockets of the people who do stupid, racist, things, they're simply hurting everyone else. Including every other minority kid in that district.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
118. Good luck with that.
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 01:52 PM
Nov 2015

I think we've seen enough with Arpaio being back in power year after year to see that voters don't connect the 'pain' of taxes wasted on lawsuits with their actual votes.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
121. I reject the false dilemma of 'not trying' being the only alternative to collective punishment
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 02:01 PM
Nov 2015

for entire districts.

The far better solution is to remove some of the 'immunity' police departments and police have when they violate civil rights. Make them liable as individuals and departments, and change in their behaviour will come much more quickly.

Javaman

(62,517 posts)
133. LOL
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 03:27 PM
Nov 2015

Last edited Wed Nov 25, 2015, 12:26 AM - Edit history (1)

you tell me "good luck with that" when you say, "voters don't connect the 'pain' of taxes wasted on lawsuits with their actual votes", but you think there will actually be a type of removal of "immunity"? LOL

dream on.

At least this kid has lawyers and is going to get some action.

your "solution" is at best a pipe dream regarding the current state of affairs.

Their behavior, even with the removal of this presumed immunity you believe, will never change. the concept of "immunity" is systemic. It would take a colossal overhaul to make that happen, if it ever happened.

I grew up in NYC, cops have always been corrupt there, just a fact, it's just a matter of degrees as to how much.

there have been all sorts of "programs" and "laws passed" and investigations by internal affairs and nothing has changed. In fact is has gotten worse.

Why? the patriot act allows for a very wide margin of interpretation of all things the cops deem "criminal".

Your tactic would take many years at best, in the mean time, hoping for your"solution" would allow the same behavior to continue and allow it to go unpunished.

It's neither one way or the other.

the kid gets his day in court (unless it's settled out of court. Very likely) and if you want to encourage change to the system, go for it. It needs it, but in the mean time, the media's spot light on this case will attract more attention to change the current "immunity" cops enjoy instead of taking that one track and not file a lawsuit against the school district.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
8. Clearly this was a case of the police and the school being
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 05:23 PM
Nov 2015

so embarrassed about getting fooled by a clock that they invented a reason to arrest/suspend him just to save face

christx30

(6,241 posts)
11. Try to plug something like that
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 05:33 PM
Nov 2015

at the whitehouse. See if the secret service is the least bit embarrassed by tackling you.

I hope the city and the school send the kid and his family a picture of their middle fingers and threaten to counter sue.
This is a family of grifters. They deserve nothing.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
141. At a time when Texas is closing schools because
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 05:55 PM
Nov 2015

of budgets, and this kid wants to extort millions?
Not just no, but F no. I hate thieves. He had an afternoon ruined. That's not worth millions from the school district, especially if he's not even going to be a student here.
His dad wanted to stir shit up so he could win the lawsuit lottery. He shouldn't get a dime.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
53. Also,
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 08:02 PM
Nov 2015

the White House isn't a public school. Until the WH starts asking kids to bring in their electronic projects for school in order to get credit, it's a horrible analogy. In fact, it doesn't even work as an analogy to Ahmed's situation.

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
63. The clock wasn't a project, and he wasn't asked to bring it to school.
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 08:46 PM
Nov 2015

In fact, the science teacher to whom he first showed the clock, told him to put it away and not take it out again because he realized that it might be mistaken for a bomb.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
67. Nonetheless,
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 09:54 PM
Nov 2015

the analogy of taking it to the White House is a bad analogy. He showed it to a teacher, his engineering teacher, because that's where he learned about electronics (presumably.) Who would he take it to in the White House, and for what reason?

And technically, he didn't take it out again of his own volition in that English class. He just didn't turn off the audio, so it made itself known (as our electronics sometimes do, and as they are programmed to do.)

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
68. My point was that the teacher recognized that it might be deemed suspicious
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 10:06 PM
Nov 2015

And I don't believe for a minute that anyone ever thought it was a real bomb, although I do believe that some might have felt that it was a prank or hoax - which carries severe penalties in most school districts.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
72. I'm just saying I'm old enough to remember
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 10:32 PM
Nov 2015

when a student brought something cool and homemade like that to school, the teacher would stop everything for a few minutes to let the kid to the front of the class so he could explain how he made it...And then the teacher would browbeat the rest of us because Ahmed made something like this in his spare time while the rest of us were wasting time in the arcades, movie theater and roller rink..

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
95. Maybe that was before a hundred crime shows
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 09:50 AM
Nov 2015

which routinely feature bombs with clocks ticking on them and some wires here and there.

And probably why his teacher warned him not to show it to anyone.

I mean....we all know that bombs look just like the bombs on our favorite tv program!

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
144. Most people have only seen bombs on tv
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 10:59 PM
Nov 2015

And, frankly, that's as close as I want to get to one.

So, yeah, we're are an ignorant populace when it comes to bombs. I understand that most don't come with ticking timers, for starters.

getagrip_already

(14,708 posts)
12. huh?
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 05:34 PM
Nov 2015

They always knew it wasn't a bomb. Consider that they never evacuated the school, and kept the gizmo in the principals office until the police arrived. The cop never called in a bomb squad, and never took any precautions.

They always knew it wasn't a bomb.

But $15M? When families are burying kin for racial injustice and getting bupkus, this seems over the top. I can see making a point, but at least make it sensibly. This will write a lot of red baiting fund raising letters and ugly segments on fox. That won't help anyone.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
17. I'll agree $15m is high
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 05:47 PM
Nov 2015

and it will certainly get negotiated down to about 15% of that, but there's nothing wrong with starting high -- A huge number is likely to get more media attention too, so this law firm knows what they're doing...

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
14. I doubt this ever goes to trial but the video of him laughing and admitting
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 05:43 PM
Nov 2015

being arrested "was kind of cool" wouldn't help his case if it did.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
18. And he just lost me as a supporter
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 05:49 PM
Nov 2015

He got an apology, a trip to the White House and his family moved. Now they're going to fleece the taxpayers of that town to finance them? Assholes.

 

vkkv

(3,384 posts)
24. No, the police and school district were WAY out of line and
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 06:26 PM
Nov 2015

should be 'taught a lesson'.

Texas Dumbfucks!

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
86. And now the taxpayers
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 06:14 AM
Nov 2015

which, no doubt, includes many Democrats and people who had nothing to do with this will have to pay for it.

 

jamzrockz

(1,333 posts)
113. The tax payers always foot the bill
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 01:24 PM
Nov 2015

Be it police brutality, wrongful conviction compensation, injury from city negligence etc etc. The tax payers always pay for the crime.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
115. I know
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 01:34 PM
Nov 2015

which is why I'm puzzled that so many here are celebrating this suit. The school board and the police will continue to collect their paychecks and the taxpayers will foot this bill. Hardly something to celebrate. Especially as I consider it nothing but extortion - they're not even suing - they're THREATENING to sue if the city doesn't give in to their ransom.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
56. Really?
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 08:12 PM
Nov 2015

With cops being gun crazy as they are these days, I doubt he thought it would lead to him being arrested. Going to a Texass jail and being Muslim wouldn't be too wise of a plot IMO.

 

vkkv

(3,384 posts)
66. Seriously? Do a project that just MIGHT catch the attention of police and other
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 09:52 PM
Nov 2015

dumbfucks that "oooh,.,, ha ha ha.. I'll make a clock that looks like a BOMB...ha ha ha.. and then.. they'll arrest me.. great! ha ha ha, they'll be falling right IN MY TRAP.. ha ha ha.. and then I'll get a trip to the White HOUse.. ho ho ho.. and then my family will sue them for FIFTEEN MILLION DOLLARS!! oohh.. ha ha ha... my secret plan has worked!!!"""

Yeah, right, and the world circles around every one of your thoughts, too. Got it.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
75. The Westboro Baptist "church" has
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 10:43 PM
Nov 2015

made a living out of that kind of thinking. Say inflammatory BS about gays, hoping to get physically attacked. Make a small fortune off the lawsuit. Lather, rinse, repeat.
Not too far beyond the realm of possibility that others might catch onto this get rich quick scheme. The kid probably wasn't in on it. But the father? Definitely.

The2ndWheel

(7,947 posts)
94. It wasn't a project
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 08:28 AM
Nov 2015

Nobody told him to do it, or bring anything in for anything. His science teacher then tells him he shouldn't show it to anyone else, for a specific reason, the whole looks like a bomb thing, but he does it anyway.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
87. I hadn't thought of that
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 06:15 AM
Nov 2015

and it's certainly possible. I'm not a fan of trying to litigate behavior.

katsy

(4,246 posts)
32. The justice system will sort this out.
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 06:39 PM
Nov 2015

Personally, I find it appalling that the LEO in this case AND the case of the young girl getting beaten had not exhibited any common sense when dealing with children.

If a jury of their peers find it a $15m offense so be it. Stop fucking around with people's civil rights and you don't get sued.

Kinda off topic: I hope someone sues the school district and LEO where that young lady was choked and dragged around while in her seat. That was an atrocity.

brush

(53,764 posts)
41. Now she deserves 15M. The boy and his family will settled out of court for a lot less
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 07:36 PM
Nov 2015

Which is why they started so high.

There have to be consequences for racist behavior by those in authority or it will never stop.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
35. The people who were damaged the most were his sisters. They had to move to Quatar.
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 07:10 PM
Nov 2015

Their whole lives were just changed--and not for the better.

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
74. An excellent point that will be missed by most here
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 10:43 PM
Nov 2015

Well, except for a few actual defenders of Quatar who'll be along soon to post their travel brochures.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
88. But I don't blame the taxpayers
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 06:17 AM
Nov 2015

who are on the hook for this money for them moving to Qatar. They had many places in the US they could have moved. The move to Qatar is on the parents, nobody else.

ProfessorGAC

(64,995 posts)
135. I'm Going For "Enough For College"
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 03:59 PM
Nov 2015

Maybe not any college anywhere, but a good one in the field he likes and no student debt when he graduates.

Doesn't hammer the community, but has some impact on those who have to manage those budgets.

Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #62)

Person 2713

(3,263 posts)
69. Worth it so they get a reign on school admins & cops judging criminal potential based on race or
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 10:08 PM
Nov 2015

religion and not notifying the parents for several hours

Galraedia

(5,022 posts)
76. I'm pretty sure Texas NEEDS that money for education.
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 12:06 AM
Nov 2015

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I mean have you seen the education system in Texas recently? Plus, asking for $15 million is about as stupid as taking apart a clock, putting it in a suitcase, and bringing it to school. This kid has got to meet the president, fame, free gifts from Microsoft, a scholarship to MIT,...etc. But apparently that's not enough.

I supported this kid against the Islamophobic attacks but always thought the clock was suspicious. Maybe he shouldn't have been arrested, but it should have definitely been taking away. Plus, who in their right mind takes apart a clock, puts it in a suitcase, and brings it to school? I don't care what color you are, that's just down right suspicious.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
102. The family appears to be professional shit-stirrers and attention-seekers.
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 12:11 PM
Nov 2015

Sad that they put their kids up to stunts for their own enrichment. But it worked. Even got the President involved. Dumb stuff.

 

Aria36

(52 posts)
106. Maybe there's a reality show in the making...
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 12:38 PM
Nov 2015

Yep. He brought the non-bomb to school & showed it to every single teacher until 6th period. Then he plugged it in & set the non-bomb's alarm to go off in the middle of English class. It's like the teachers weren't overreacting enough, so he kept pushing the envelope until finally someone called the cops. Presto, lawsuit!

I'm sort of embarrassed for liberals that so many of us fell for it. I did too until reading the full story. We just assumed he must've been a victim of discrimination w/o knowing all the facts.

librechik

(30,674 posts)
98. I wish this would happen more often, esp victims of police suing for damage.
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 11:51 AM
Nov 2015

We can't touch them in the criminal law system, but if the random fascists in various institutions started getting the piss sued out of them, they would back off. It took a long time, but we eventually got the tobacco industry to back off. More like that, please.

I don't care about the amount the kid is asking for. Go for it. Make these fuckers pay attention.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,393 posts)
100. "Worth $15 million?"
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 12:00 PM
Nov 2015

No. Breakfast for four at Denny's, tops.

Spend the money on educating people who will stay in this country rather than beat feet to Qatar.

cstanleytech

(26,282 posts)
139. Just because they moved back to Qatar does not give the police or school a
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 05:24 PM
Nov 2015

get out of jail card.
I agree 100% that the demand for 15 million is bullshit though but I could see around $150,000 being put into a trust fund for the kid to pay for some of his college education or to be turned over to him when he reachs the age of 30.

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