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(1,599 posts)
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 02:50 PM Dec 2015

Armed Forces Members,Veterans Use #iwillprotectyou After Muslim Child Says She's Afraid

Source: ABC News

On Facebook and Twitter, military service members and veterans have started using the hashtag #iwillprotectyou after one mother's post went viral about her daughter's fear of being kicked out of the country.

Melissa Chance Yassini posted about her daughter's reaction to hearing proposals by Donald Trump to ban Muslims from entering the country...

Yassini's post went viral and was shared more than 20,000 times. Eventually she and her daughter told their story to The Associated Press.
Kerri Peek, an Army veteran saw the story on social media and was horrified.

"I was up all night, it bothered me," Peek told ABC News. "I'm a mom, for mother to mother ... I know you want to protect your children from everything."

Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/US/armed-forces-membersveterans-iwillprotectyou-muslim-child-shes-afraid/story?id=35876582


(11,970 posts)
1. What happens if donald Trump is their commander in chief?
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 03:08 PM
Dec 2015

He is, after all, more "militaristic than anyone."


(15,919 posts)
2. That's a difficult question!
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 03:24 PM
Dec 2015

"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same;

If the president violates the Constitution, is the military still required to:

and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

How does one bear true faith and allegiance, if one follows an order that violates your word?


(8,107 posts)
6. Self answering
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 04:06 PM
Dec 2015

There is a reason the first paragraph is first. A member of the military's duty is to the constitution and the safety and protection of her citizens.
It is constructed to avoid the pitfalls of facism. Some, even in the military, don't understand that.


(64,882 posts)
7. I don't know if they teach incoming recruits about lawful orders anymore.
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 04:09 PM
Dec 2015

When I went through Basic Training in 1986, we had an entire afternoon of classes and lectures on what constituted a lawful or an unlawful order. We were told in no uncertain terms that if we were given an unlawful order (such as to mistreat, harm, or kill a prisoner of war) we should disobey such an order, no matter who it came from. I don't know if the guys who served in Iraq got that particular lecture (based on the mistreatment of prisoners in Abu Ghraib, I'm guessing not), but it seems that behaving with honor as a service member no longer takes precendent in our military.

I'm glad to see these guys step up and remind the haters that our military's job is to defend the defenseless, and protect the innocent.

If the President himself gives an unlawful order, such as to round up, detain, and deport American citizens, or alien non-combatants without trial, every service member is bound by law and by honor to disobey such an order.


(50,079 posts)
14. You went to basic at Fort Knox, correct?
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 05:46 PM
Dec 2015

When I went to Fort Dix in 1981, they had the same classes.

The thing that's scaring me about Donald Trump: I would consider a fascist dictator like Donald Trump wants to be a domestic enemy. Since all enlisted persons take an oath to defend the nation against "all enemies foreign and domestic," what happens when your commander-in-chief outs himself as a domestic enemy?


(1,325 posts)
18. Only in Basic Training
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 11:34 AM
Dec 2015

On my way into Iraq we had briefing after briefing and videos showing American planes and tanks and artillery blowing shit up all over Iraq and Afghanistan. Hoo-fucking-rah!!! But not one word about disobeying an illegal or even harmful order. And I was with a group of reservists and guard soldiers heading for Abu Ghraib after the torture and murder and rape sessions sanctioned by Cheney and Gen. Miller. Que WTF over???? The pictures were tame compared to what actually took place.

We have been killing the Iraqi people since 1991. Other than all our oil under their sand, can anybody tell me why? What did those people ever do to us? WE the good ol' USA dismantled and destroyed an entire country. What a mess and the repukes running for office only want more war.

Bless the soldiers who stand up for this young Muslim girl. I know that while in Iraq, such acts (and there were some) were few and far between. As our beloved brass often chimed - Fuck 'em, they're just Iraqis!!!!


(413 posts)
8. lawful orders
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 04:28 PM
Dec 2015

vet here '85-'93

I distinctly remember the phrasing was 'obey the lawful orders.' The phrase 'according to...' seems to fulfill the same function, but it is not quite as strongly worded.

but Abu Graib showed pretty clearly that it is still in effect, soldiers were busted for obeying unlawful orders after all.


(40,656 posts)
10. following Nuremburg, the 'i was only following orders' even though they were evil and vile is no
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 04:58 PM
Dec 2015

longer allowed. Soldiers have the right to do right and if they get an evil order ...

Gen. John Fremont from a soldier to him while they were massacring a village of Indians who asked him do we kill the children, babies and old people: "Nits grow into lice." Needless to say, no one but the soldiers left that camp alive.

Soldiers have the right and duty to not follow terrible orders like that. It has precedence in law and international law.


(20,018 posts)
19. In his early days in the White House, Obama declared that US operatives would not be punished
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 03:21 PM
Dec 2015

for following orders.

He undid Nuremburg right off the bat.

And no one stopped him.



(6,891 posts)
12. It does indeed pose a dilemma
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 05:42 PM
Dec 2015

I think the answer lies in the president being bound by the same oath of allegiance to the Constitution as everyone else who swears it. I am of the belief that the president's authority does not extend to violating his oath of office or in issuing unlawful orders under the UCMJ or in contravention of the Nuremberg Accords. Had we held previous presidents to their oaths of office and required their enforcement of international accords on the conduct of war, we wouldn't be in the mess we are today.


(11,495 posts)
3. We have to make sure that never happens
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 03:32 PM
Dec 2015

When democrats get out and vote, republicans lose. We have to make damn sure that Trump, or any of the GOP clowns, never set foot in the oval office. It's not hard, all we have to do is vote.



(15,882 posts)
4. There is still a constitution, a bill of rights, and tens of millions of pissed off mothers.
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 03:40 PM
Dec 2015

The humps wouldn't have a chance.


(5,168 posts)
5. Enemies foreign and *domestic*
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 03:42 PM
Dec 2015

Not something I want to think about (and am definitely not advocating), but these people are Americans. Soldiers took an oath to protect them from harm.

Luckily, even in the small chance numbnuts gets elected, the President's power is limited.


(2,077 posts)
11. nothing
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 05:14 PM
Dec 2015

because Trump can't make such an order or law. Trump is just blowing smoke and scaring people, while encouraging the racists.


(2,679 posts)
15. The same thing that happened
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 10:08 PM
Dec 2015

Under President's Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush 1, Clinton, Bush 2 and Obama.

There is a broad range of views in that list and yet the milItary isn't doing things like that.


(4,390 posts)
9. I will protect you.
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 04:45 PM
Dec 2015

I am a retired U.S. Army officer, and I will protect any and all innocents against people like Donald Trump.

I will protect you.




(13,508 posts)
17. #iwillprotectyouaslongasyouareinthiscountryelseiwillblowyoutobitsasaterroristinsurgent
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 04:24 AM
Dec 2015

I can see how this is a good, valid and honourable action by the veterans of
Vietnam, Cold War duty, Bosnia et al but it is pure two-faced American exceptionalism
when the people saying it have been - or are still - in active service in Afghanistan,
Kuwait, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Pakistan, ...

It's terrible that the poor girl was/is so terrified of the threat of Trump & his brownshirts
but the response of the rest of the world at the thought of the US military "protecting"
anyone but themselves & their paymasters is black humour indeed.

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