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Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 01:33 PM Dec 2015

Paris attacks: IS commanders 'killed in US-led strikes'

Source: BBC News

Targeted US-led coalition air strikes have killed 10 Islamic State commanders in Iraq and Syria in the past month, a US military spokesman has said.

Some were linked to last month's attacks in Paris and planning further attacks on the West, US Army Colonel Steve Warren added.

He named one as Charaffe al-Mouadan, who he said had a direct link to Paris attack cell leader Abdelhamid Abaaoud.

Another was a UK-educated Bangladeshi computer systems engineer, he said.

The US-led coalition has been targeting IS in Iraq and Syria for over a year. Russia recently began its own air attacks against armed opponents of the Syrian government, including IS.

Syria-based Mouadan was killed in an air strike on 24 December, said Col Warren.

Another man with connections to the Paris attackers, Abdul Qader Hakim, died two days later in the northern Iraqi city of Mosul, he added.

Read more: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-35195219?ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbc_breaking&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=news_central

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winstars

(4,220 posts)
2. But Wolf Blitzer said ISIS is gonna kill us all. You know like that time Ebola killed everybody here
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 02:02 PM
Dec 2015

I don't get it?

Are we carpet bombing like Ted said we should?

NotHardly

(1,062 posts)
4. Someone should do a headlines search 2002 to 2015 for leadership "kills"...
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 04:39 PM
Dec 2015

It would be, I think, interesting to find out how many "leadership kills" (commanders, terrorists, etc) in these middle eastern conflicts we claim to have killed over the years... who, what group, etc. As one member stated, it is whackamole ... but it also reminds me of the "body counts" we use to get from the media during the Vietnam war (same veracity as well).

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
5. But were they first, second, or third in command?
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 04:44 PM
Dec 2015

I guess now it is just "commanders," after the somewhat embarrassing number of times that the "second in command" of Al Qaeda was killed.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
6. A fluid command structure, by its very nature is diaphanous and vacillating.
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 04:55 PM
Dec 2015

A fluid command structure, by its very nature is diaphanous and vacillating. This insubstantial feature is in fact, a tactical strength via dispersion of assets (though one could as easily argue a strategic weakness).

That aside, regardless of how many second-in-commands are killed, a hierarchical military will always have another to take its place, resulting in a multitude of possible KIA of that particular position, regardless of whether one perceives that as embarrassing or not.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
7. I dont think a lot of people get that.
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 05:29 PM
Dec 2015

I guess maybe they think that when a "2nd in command" is killed now there only remains 1st & 3rd, etc, in command.
The positive impact starts to be when the fighters see a promotion as leading to a quicker death and they actually CARE about not getting killed

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
9. Vietnam bodycount redux.
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 05:37 PM
Dec 2015

Much less complicated than to claim X original enemies, minus Y enemies killed, equals Z enemies left. Just say you killed the most important ones this week, so victory is always near.

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
8. Understood. Which is why it was kind of ludicrous to assign the 2nd designation in the first place.
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 05:31 PM
Dec 2015

Particularly when it was quite likely speculative and based on fuzzy intelligence in many cases.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
10. The "Number Two" stuff wasn't based on fuzzy intelligence!
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 05:39 PM
Dec 2015

It is based on a non-fuzzy understanding of how PR a.k.a. bullshit works. It's ludicrous to you or me. But it's plenty good for the real target audience, which is Wolf Blitzer et al. (Do you think he remembers how many Number Twos have been croaked since 9/11? Only the latest one counts.)

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