Trump: Clinton, Obama 'created ISIS'

[TomCADem]

Source: CNN

Donald Trump on Saturday said the policies of President Barack Obama and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton "created ISIS," the furthest the GOP front-runner has gone in tying the Obama administration's policies to the rise of the terror group.

Trump offered no evidence for his claim here at the Mississippi Coast Coliseum, in which he also said escalating tensions between Iran and Saudi Arabia were signs that the Islamic Republic wanted to take over the longtime U.S. ally in the Middle East.

"They've created ISIS. Hillary Clinton created ISIS with Obama," Trump said.

He couched his hit in a brief discussion of the Iranian protests outside the Saudi embassy in Tehran, which erupted after Saudi Arabia executed 47 people, including a dissident Shiite cleric.

Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/02/politics/donald-trump-barack-obama-hillary-clinton-created-isis/

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This is an interesting response to the Trump clips being used in ISIS recruitment videos. The response almost sounds like an accusation that Clinton created the videos, which many in the right wing would believe.

[forest444]

1. Bush created ISIS, Donald - and you're the extremists' new poster boy.

http://news.yahoo.com/al-shabaab-releases-recruitment-video-featuring-donald-trump-024507585.html

[valerief]

2. ISIL AKA Daesh is a Bush baby. nt

[Chasstev365]

3. Actually, it was President Cheney that created ISIS

"We will be greeted as liberators." Mission accomplished, DICK!

[Gregorian]

4. Oops, I forgot- Republicans were in suspended animation from 2000-2008.

Anything that happened in those years didn't happen.

[jakeXT]

20. The Bush admin laid the tracks, Hersh wrote about it in 2007

The Redirection
Is the Administration’s new policy benefitting our enemies in the war on terrorism?

In the past few months, as the situation in Iraq has deteriorated, the Bush Administration, in both its public diplomacy and its covert operations, has significantly shifted its Middle East strategy. The “redirection,” as some inside the White House have called the new strategy, has brought the United States closer to an open confrontation with Iran and, in parts of the region, propelled it into a widening sectarian conflict between Shiite and Sunni Muslims.

To undermine Iran, which is predominantly Shiite, the Bush Administration has decided, in effect, to reconfigure its priorities in the Middle East. In Lebanon, the Administration has coöperated with Saudi Arabia’s government, which is Sunni, in clandestine operations that are intended to weaken Hezbollah, the Shiite organization that is backed by Iran. The U.S. has also taken part in clandestine operations aimed at Iran and its ally Syria. A by-product of these activities has been the bolstering of Sunni extremist groups that espouse a militant vision of Islam and are hostile to America and sympathetic to Al Qaeda.

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2007/03/05/the-redirection

[Grassy Knoll]

5. Trump Is Selling Ocean Front Property In Nevada...

[47of74]

6. Up yours Der Trumpenführer

In the words of the immortal Walter Sobchak...

Shut the fuck up, Donny!

[red dog 1]

9. + 1

The Dude abides!

[onecaliberal]

7. Daesh is a BUSH child. Period. Only the brainless believes otherwise.

[Yallow]

8. And Abu Gharib Had Nothing To Do With It Right?

Freak.

[Botany]

10. No Donny it was bush and Cheney's doings in Iraq that made ISIS

Ambassador Bremer to the Iraqi army .... mostly Sunni ...
"you guys go home amd take your guns w/you too"
some of them became al Qaeda in Iraq which then
morphed into ISIS

[frizzled]

11. What if he's speaking literally? There are conspiracy theories about ISIS and the CIA.

nt

[Bernin]

13. Kinda

hard to say it's a conspiracy theory when we know that we have been arming the "rebels" and airlifting the "rebels" out of harms way. And, giving 45minute notice that the truck the "rebels" are driving full of stolen oil to Turkey before bombing those trucks.

Really hard when you know that those ISIS Toyota trucks go straight from Texas to Mersin Turkey. Are then fitted with AA guns and driven straight to Syria.

No Trumpenfurer fan here but somebody gots some splainin' to do.

[Sunlei]

15. They found proof the toyotas shipped from texas? Toyota told the gov. & press they didn't know.

[Bernin]

16. The fellow

that sold his Mark 1 plumbing truck that ended up on TV in Syria used by ISIS is currently suing the dealership that he sold the truck to. It has come out in court documents.
Here is a link to the carfax from the Mark 1 plumbing truck.

[Sunlei]

18. yes the used truck, used are sold all over the world. I mean the line of Toyota pickups Is has.

[Bernin]

19. I bet

the shipping logs from that truck would go a long way to telling us who is supplying vehicles to ISIS. But, I wont hold my breath waiting for the DOJ and FBI to investigate that.

[geek tragedy]

23. So you think the FBI is covering up the Obama admin's

conspiracy to arm ISIS?

Sure seems the way a newbie Trump fan would think.

[Bernin]

28. Pulling out the newbie card.

mmmmkay.

[geek tragedy]

29. That, and the "endorsing Trumpist nutjobbery" card nt

[Bernin]

30. Doubling down.

Are you the DU welcome wagon?

Is this how we increase the base?

[geek tragedy]

31. Trump apologists and conspiracy loons have no place

in our base.

[Bernin]

32. Triple'n down.

Now I'm a loon?!

At what point are your posts over the top?

[geek tragedy]

33. Care to name your sources for your claim of an Obama conspiracy to arm ISIS? nt

[frizzled]

17. As far as I can tell the official claims about Syria don't add up

It isn't a civil war, it's a proxy war where the US decided to topple Assad via some proxies, then ISIS got involved.

[jakeXT]

21. The enemy of my enemy is my friend...

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2007/03/05/the-redirection

[milestogo]

12. Actually it was Donny and Marie who created ISIS.

Makes about as much sense.

[Sunlei]

14. silly republicans

[nyabingi]

22. ISIS is a Western, Israeli, Turkish and Gulf State creation

designed to topple Assad in Syria and to redraw national boundaries in the Middle East to dilute Iranian influence and to establish smaller (and weaker) states that can be easier drawn into the Western/Israeli sphere of influence.

As I've pointed out previously on this site, notice the conspicuous absence of Israeli participation in the "anti-ISIS coalition", notice that they have not offered to lift one finger to combat the rise of an alleged "caliphate" right next door, and notice that they are sitting back watching Muslim kill Muslim and enjoying the show. Israel desires an ISIS victory because they feel it will make them the dominant power in the region and leave no one to prevent them from realizing their manifest destiny.

ISIS is a creation of Western intelligence (under both Bush and Obama) so Donald is actually right in a way.

[killbotfactory]

26. I don't know how much the west and our gulf allies "created" ISIS

We just simply didn't care if some Islamist salafist radicals popped up and bled the region in hopes it would help topple Assad, and maybe check some of the power of the now Iranian aligned Iraq. We just kind of sat on our hands while they took over Sunni areas, until they got to close to Baghdad or started committing genocide in Kurdish or religious minority areas. Turkey had to be shamed into letting the Kurds across the border when ISIS was about to completely overrun Kobani.

Israel is happy to watch muslims kill each other, and hate Assad who is aligned with Hezbollah and Iran.
Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar want Assad to fall so they can get an oil pipeline and undermine Russian/Iranian oil interests.
The US shares both of those interests.

The fact that the "moderate rebels" we were funding often worked hand in hand with Al-Qaeda linked "freedom fighters", or straight up defected to ISIS with our gear, shows you how much we give a shit about terrorism when it suits our interests.

You would think we would have learned our lesson about allowing or funding radical Islamic jihadists to run wild in the backyards of our enemies after 9/11, but I guess not.

[nyabingi]

35. You're right

Our policy has been to "contain" ISIS not stop them, and according to some Iraqi generals who've been fighting ISIS in their country, the US has occasionally engaged in "friendly fire" incidents against Iraqi troops when they've advanced to far into ISIS-controlled territory.

If you hear the talk coming from the US-based think tanks and even some American military officials, you'd see that our main goal is to redraw the national boundaries in the Middle East, dividing up Syria and Iraq into smaller and weaker states. They've pretty much accomplished that goal, but the people in the region aren't too keen on that idea.

We've used Islamic radicals for a long time to fight geopolitical wars the American public won't get behind and we've played up the Islamic threat at home in order to justify engagement.

[Blue_Tires]

24. Trump would fit right in here...

[trillion]

25. .

[truthisfreedom]

27. hmm... by using a time machine and taking over the bush/cheney years, no doubt.

Donald Trump created Isis.

[Vinca]

34. Sorry, Herr Trump, the GOP owns ISIS.