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Dems to Win

(2,161 posts)
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 01:57 PM Jan 2016

Cologne attackers were of migrant origin - minister

Source: BBC

The men suspected of attacking women in Cologne on New Year's Eve were "almost exclusively" from a migration background, mainly North African and Arab, an official report says.

Cologne police also made "serious mistakes" in not calling reinforcements and the way they informed the public.

More than 500 criminal complaints were filed, 40% alleging sexual assault.

snip....

The report describes a modus operandi known as "taharrush gamea" in Arabic, meaning group sexual harassment in crowds, and compares it to incidents reported in Cairo's Tahrir Square at the time of the Egyptian revolution.

A joint federal and state working group has been set up to examine the phenomenon and how to combat it.

Read more: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35280386?ocid=socialflow_twitter



The report is very critical of the hapless police and their failure to call for reinforcements on New Year's Eve.

Maybe the police and security forces should have researched the cultural background of the newcomers, and learned about "taharrush gamea" and put in place prevention/enforcement steps before hundreds of women were assaulted in one night.

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Cologne attackers were of migrant origin - minister (Original Post) Dems to Win Jan 2016 OP
This story just get uglier kiva Jan 2016 #1
And from the way Merkel has been handling it, christx30 Jan 2016 #9
Merkel is handling this badly. She doesn't want to admit that smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #33
Plenty more ugly. At least one previously arrested for sexual assault, not deported Dems to Win Jan 2016 #13
They are not deporting more than a handful. It's vanishingly rare. Yo_Mama Jan 2016 #30
The best way to combat it is to not allow males age 14-40 from that geek tragedy Jan 2016 #2
Speaking as a woman, if these men are so deranged by their culture that they think rape and assault Coventina Jan 2016 #3
The US took till 1993 to criminalize marital rape in all 50 states. frizzled Jan 2016 #11
Hell No it's not an accident. Womens Rights are the result of years of hard work and Dems to Win Jan 2016 #16
Thank you. Your reply is much more eloquent than mine would have been!! Coventina Jan 2016 #19
ITA with both of you. CharlotteVale Jan 2016 #22
Thank you, that's nice of you to say Dems to Win Jan 2016 #25
Damned right.. whathehell Jan 2016 #42
Well said, I think Merkel is just excruciatingly slow to modify Germany's course Babel_17 Jan 2016 #53
+1000 smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #65
The rights women hold in the west are the result of many years of struggle. We won't allow Yo_Mama Jan 2016 #32
+1000 smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #20
They also need to formally denounce certain Islamic practices as apostic to Islam MosheFeingold Jan 2016 #5
Very well said. christx30 Jan 2016 #12
+1000 it goes beyond the NYE event katsy Jan 2016 #26
This is what I haven't heard discussed at all. I've heard that there is some serious pressure here jonno99 Jan 2016 #51
It's offensive. katsy Jan 2016 #61
And from what I have seen on Youtube zeemike Jan 2016 #7
Hear, hear! smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #34
In Egypt, the attackers were Egyptians question everything Jan 2016 #4
It's a fun sport to them, they know they can get away with it Dems to Win Jan 2016 #8
Not surprising awoke_in_2003 Jan 2016 #38
Oh please...It's quite surprising and comparing the treatment whathehell Jan 2016 #43
One thing all FUNDAMENTAL awoke_in_2003 Jan 2016 #46
But they CANNOT GET AWAY WITH IT HERE! FrodosPet Jan 2016 #48
Thank you whathehell Jan 2016 #54
I'll SPELL out the point for you whathehell Jan 2016 #52
underneath it all, they all have the same objective of controlling the wimmin folk. bbgrunt Jan 2016 #57
Maybe, but it's the manner in which that's acted out that makes the difference whathehell Jan 2016 #60
I agree most all religions have had a problem with how they treat women rockfordfile Jan 2016 #62
Anyone else find it disconcerting that such disgusting behavior is so common as to have a name?. . . Journeyman Jan 2016 #6
Disconcerting, but not really surprising Dems to Win Jan 2016 #10
As I reflect on it, I have to acknowledge that here in the States we have "wilding". . . Journeyman Jan 2016 #14
I haven't seen that term in over a decade leftynyc Jan 2016 #15
Yes, police must crack down. And that's a sad loss in itself, for German culture Dems to Win Jan 2016 #18
“I am Syrian! You have to treat me kindly, Mrs. Merkel invited me!” christx30 Jan 2016 #21
#neuwahlen, new election, trended on German twitter last night Dems to Win Jan 2016 #24
The risk will be profiling and unfair treatment philosslayer Jan 2016 #27
A little rowdy is fine. christx30 Jan 2016 #28
Only in your world were both groups equally drunk and a little rowdy. EL34x4 Jan 2016 #29
I was postulating a situation philosslayer Jan 2016 #31
The assaults that happened on christx30 Jan 2016 #37
Merkel isn't the only one ... Nihil Jan 2016 #39
And some of them are posting on this thread Democat Jan 2016 #40
Oh please... I haven't heard that term in the decades since the assault whathehell Jan 2016 #44
A Japanes minister defended such, only a (few) decade(s) ago Babel_17 Jan 2016 #55
Yes. smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #35
Carnival-season is around the corner. Followed by bikini-season. DetlefK Jan 2016 #17
Girl raped at swimming pool by 3 Syrian teens, not taken into custody Dems to Win Jan 2016 #47
I wonder what would happen if the situation christx30 Jan 2016 #49
German boys may well get the same treatment Dems to Win Jan 2016 #50
Europe Bernin Jan 2016 #23
I predict that she is toast. She has been completely tone deaf from the beginning. smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #36
Not just in Germany. Quantess Jan 2016 #41
In the UK, too. Read about Rotherham, it'll make you sick n/t Dems to Win Jan 2016 #45
I'm surprised by the UK.. whathehell Jan 2016 #56
Surprisingly I think that can be attributed to Angela Merkel, before her psychotic break MowCowWhoHow III Jan 2016 #58
Interesting.. whathehell Jan 2016 #59
That was circa 2010 Quantess Jan 2016 #64
It was a local Labour Council that covered-up the crimes for years, not the Tories. branford Jan 2016 #63

christx30

(6,241 posts)
9. And from the way Merkel has been handling it,
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 02:41 PM
Jan 2016

she'll combat it by stopping us from learning much more about it. "Investigations are ongoing."
Anyone that tries to get any more word out is going to be denounced.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
33. Merkel is handling this badly. She doesn't want to admit that
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 10:24 PM
Jan 2016

she made a horrible mistake, however I think her denial is making her even more unpopular than ever. If she took some action to deal with the situation instead of deflecting she would stem the tide of rising right wing sentiment. Her inaction is only fueling their rise.

 

Dems to Win

(2,161 posts)
13. Plenty more ugly. At least one previously arrested for sexual assault, not deported
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 02:55 PM
Jan 2016

This is from the Daily Mail, but it quotes Bild. Maybe someone who reads German could fetch the original and verify the content.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3393516/Syrian-ISIS-supporter-shot-dead-outside-Paris-police-station-arrested-sexually-assaulting-women-Cologne-taken-New-Year-s-Eve-attacks.html


The Syrian man shot dead by French police last week may have taken part in the sexual assaults in Cologne on New Year's Eve.

ISIS supporter Walid Salihi, believed to be in his late teens or early 20s, was arrested in 2014 in Cologne for sexually abusing women in a night club.

Salihi is said to have 'rubbed the behinds of females' and touched their 'intimate parts,' according to a German police report.

A friend of Salihi was arrested after the Cologne mass attacks, where hundreds of women were sexually assaulted, leading to suspicion that he may have been part of the mob on New Years Eve before travelling to France, Bild newspaper reports.


Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
30. They are not deporting more than a handful. It's vanishingly rare.
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 09:38 PM
Jan 2016

This is the guy that was decorating the refugee shelter with the ISIS flag. He also stabbed another refugee at the shelter with a knife.

The situation is out of control. I think the current count is that he had been registered seven times as a refugee - not always in Germany, but still. The guy had more aliases than a bank robber.

He also had a train of offenses.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
2. The best way to combat it is to not allow males age 14-40 from that
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 02:03 PM
Jan 2016

part of the world to immigrate without going through a rigorous cultural re-education class.

Coventina

(26,844 posts)
3. Speaking as a woman, if these men are so deranged by their culture that they think rape and assault
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 02:09 PM
Jan 2016

are acceptable, then don't let them in AT ALL!!!!!

I don't trust efforts to "re-educate" them.

 

frizzled

(509 posts)
11. The US took till 1993 to criminalize marital rape in all 50 states.
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 02:49 PM
Jan 2016

Just saying, it's easy to forget how fast progress has been made in the West, and believe it somehow reflects a fixed essence of religions or cultures when it's more about an accident of history.

 

Dems to Win

(2,161 posts)
16. Hell No it's not an accident. Womens Rights are the result of years of hard work and
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 03:53 PM
Jan 2016

sacrifice.

And we won't go back. As a feminist, I have worked LONG and HARD for my freedoms, and I demand that young women have it better than I did, with not one whit of backsliding. Hell No I won't give up a single iota of progress in the name of tolerating Islam.

Merkel will either respond strongly to restore women's freedom and safety, or the election consequences will be dire.

whathehell

(28,968 posts)
42. Damned right..
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 11:11 AM
Jan 2016

I think it's also a result of those struggles taking place in democratic societies which allows them to grow and take root in the society. Most in the Arab world have never lived in a democratic society.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
53. Well said, I think Merkel is just excruciatingly slow to modify Germany's course
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 02:35 PM
Jan 2016

She did say that "Multiculturalism leads to parallel societies and therefore remains a ‘life lie,’ ”.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/12/14/angela-merkel-multiculturalism-is-a-sham/

I think she means that in the sense of what it can represent in the cessation of enforcing basic rules across society as a whole. We all celebrate the beauty that diversity brings. But Western societies have advanced in many ways, and we aren't going to negotiate that away so as to appease a "parallel society".

Multiculturalism can work fine when everyone is in accord with living under the same necessary, enlightened, rules.

I think Merkel wants to avoid feeding the xenophobes, and is willing to slow walk the release of government reports in support of that.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
32. The rights women hold in the west are the result of many years of struggle. We won't allow
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 09:39 PM
Jan 2016

these rights to be eroded. We won't. That's all there is to it.

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
5. They also need to formally denounce certain Islamic practices as apostic to Islam
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 02:10 PM
Jan 2016

The list could be long: honor killings, rape, hatred of Jews, hatred of homosexuals, death to those who leave Islam, etc.

Calling someone an "apostate" brings on the person calling said apostate to Islam a specific curse if incorrect.

I keep being told that all of the above is "unIslamic" even though the plurality of immigrants from Islamic countries (when polled) agree to it.

Well, if it is "unIslamic" they need to call those people apostates to Islam.

Put their supposed eternal fate where their kind words are.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
12. Very well said.
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 02:53 PM
Jan 2016

It's either unIslamic, and the people doing it need to stop or risk damnation, or it is Islamic, and Islam isn't compatible with Western Civilization.

katsy

(4,246 posts)
26. +1000 it goes beyond the NYE event
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 07:23 PM
Jan 2016

Sharia law is incompatible... Incompatible with western culture and secular laws.

They should disavow sharia law in order to live under the secular laws of their host countries.

jonno99

(2,620 posts)
51. This is what I haven't heard discussed at all. I've heard that there is some serious pressure here
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 02:27 PM
Jan 2016

in the US for certain municipalities to allow Sharia courts to be setup.

Seems crazy to me because you are right, regarding the rights of women especially, Sharia is incompatible with western culture ...

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
34. Hear, hear!
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 10:26 PM
Jan 2016

What was Merkel thinking? Any population of idle young men are going to be a problem. Doubly so when they come from a culture that despises women and can't stand their independence.

question everything

(47,264 posts)
4. In Egypt, the attackers were Egyptians
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 02:10 PM
Jan 2016

Perhaps I am naive but, if you are a guest, seeking asylum, why would you jeopardize this?

 

Dems to Win

(2,161 posts)
8. It's a fun sport to them, they know they can get away with it
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 02:31 PM
Jan 2016

German social media has exploded with stories like this one from DUer coyote:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1307377

I can give you my 1st hand experience

I live in a town just south of Munich. There is refugee tent about 1-2 km from where I live. When I was walking down to the tram, a young blond girl about the age of 16 was walking in front of me. A group of refugees walking toward us started walking directly in front of the girl. When she moved right, they moved right, when she moved left, they moved left. They were purposely blocking her until I told them off. They laughed at me and thought it was a great laugh. The young girl took off as fast as she could.

This culture simply does not mix with German culture. The freedoms we once enjoyed have gone out the window and I truly feel sorry for the women here.


Imagine that -- refugees so callous and ungrateful toward their host country that they are intimidating teen girls on the street, for sport.

And imagine the host country's government unwilling to do a damn thing about it.

Even if the writer and the girl called the police and identified the culprits, they wouldn't be convicted of an offense that would result in deportation.

Even if the police catch and convict the Cologne assailants, they almost certainly won't receive long enough sentences (if any jailtime at all) to trigger deportation.

whathehell

(28,968 posts)
43. Oh please...It's quite surprising and comparing the treatment
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 11:40 AM
Jan 2016

of women in western democratic societies, in whatever fundentalist religion they may choose to belong, is one of the more egregious attempts at false equivalence I've yet to encounter. here

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
46. One thing all FUNDAMENTAL
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 12:26 PM
Jan 2016

(Capitalized it because you appear to have missed it last time) preach in common is that the wife must submit to the husband. Some, like the Quiverfull, treat them like brood mares. If they could get away with doing what ISIS does, they would. They say they hate sharia, but they want to bring their own flavor of it to our government

FrodosPet

(5,169 posts)
48. But they CANNOT GET AWAY WITH IT HERE!
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 01:27 PM
Jan 2016

Even most of their co-religionists turn on them when they go from bullshit artists to action.

Yes, they want to control women's sexuality. Not cool. Here, in the west, even if there are still far too many obstacles and assholes, women have A LOT MORE freedom than women in traditional Islam.

whathehell

(28,968 posts)
52. I'll SPELL out the point for you
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 02:34 PM
Jan 2016

as you seemed to have missed it before. Yes, all fundie religions do that "submit to your husband" bit,

but that "mandate" has no legal corollary in Western democracies...The woman can leave

the marriage and the religion. That is NOT the case in a number of Islamic countries in.which Sharia law

is not just a religious law, but a civil one.as well. These misogynistic directives have the force of LAW in those countries.


Beyond that, I know of NO fundamentalist western..religion which condones or tolerates the practice of male gangs raping

or assaulting women on the street --Let's be real.







whathehell

(28,968 posts)
60. Maybe, but it's the manner in which that's acted out that makes the difference
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 03:40 PM
Jan 2016

It's like.the difference between being angry enough to say "drop dead".and actually killing the person.

 

Dems to Win

(2,161 posts)
10. Disconcerting, but not really surprising
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 02:43 PM
Jan 2016

I had heard the reports from Tahrir Square in Egypt. I've also seen a survey where 63% of Egyptian men admit to harassing women in the street. Germany has just welcomed 750,000 mostly single young men from Arab culture in one year.

As geek tragedy said on another thread: "I think women in Berlin should be treated the same as women in Cairo" said no one ever.

This is a disaster for German women and the freedoms they've fought long and hard to win.

Journeyman

(15,001 posts)
14. As I reflect on it, I have to acknowledge that here in the States we have "wilding". . .
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 02:57 PM
Jan 2016

defined in the Oxford dictionary as "activity by a gang of youths of going on a protracted and violent rampage in a public place, attacking people at random."

Doesn't excuse anything, just shows it's not exclusive to any one society.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
15. I haven't seen that term in over a decade
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 03:15 PM
Jan 2016

Maybe because NY cops cracked down and with a show of force it came to an end as quickly as the term started. Germany will have to do the same. A large show of force of police and punishment for those convicted. They also need to get a handle on the vetting of these immigrants. This episode is a complete disaster for anyone who wants to support their government taking in refugees and migrants. This is all the opposition has to bring up.

 

Dems to Win

(2,161 posts)
18. Yes, police must crack down. And that's a sad loss in itself, for German culture
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 04:10 PM
Jan 2016

Leonid Bershidsky: After Cologne assaults, Germany faces the end of hands-off policing

http://natpo.st/1OUTjoW

...snipped a lot about how proud Germans have been about pretty lax policing at festivals, on trains, etc, and pretty much no one takes it too far......

This presents a new kind of threat to police. On Thursday, German newspapers published a leaked internal report from the Cologne police that described how officers found themselves helpless when faced with the mob. “It was impossible to help every crime victim and apprehend the perpetrators,” the report flatly stated. The senior officer who wrote the report added, “The force encountered disrespect such as I have never experienced in 29 years of service.”

Both the disrespect and the sense of being overmatched are new to the German police. For years, their “live and let live” attitude worked at the rowdiest festivals. People were grateful for the trust and freedom they were implicitly accorded and crime remained manageable — even, arguably, at Oktoberfest. Now, this pact has been broken. The police report quotes a young man mocking an officer: “I am Syrian! You have to treat me kindly, Mrs. Merkel invited me!”

snip....

The point, however, isn’t for the police to be tougher on immigrants but to create a safer environment for people during big festivals. One of these, the carnival, is coming in February, and preventing new outbreaks of crime means making sure officers are visible in public spaces and aggressive crowds are dispersed before damage is done. There would have to be less tolerance for public drunkenness and carelessness with fireworks. In other words, German policing would have to become more obtrusive. Interior Minister Thomas de Maiziere has called for more video surveillance in public places, and Germany can probably no longer get away with keeping a relatively small police force — about 300 officers per 100,000 people, fewer than anywhere in eastern and southern Europe, though more than in the U.K. and Scandinavia.

There is a fine line between more forceful policing and a police state, especially for Germans eager to defend their freedoms after their respective experiences with the Nazis and Communists. It is, however, important for Germany to show to the worst of the newcomers that violence won’t be tolerated. The current laissez-faire attitude doesn’t send that message.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
21. “I am Syrian! You have to treat me kindly, Mrs. Merkel invited me!”
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 04:22 PM
Jan 2016

Just the fact that the officer didn't beat that guy to death should qualify him for the Nobel Peace Prize.
Just reading that made me want to punch him.

But, yes, the police are going to have to be more aggressive with their activities. Ms. Merkel unleashed a lot of problems on her people. They will not forgive her. And they can't get rid of her for another 20 months.
Can they do a vote of no confidence on her?

 

Dems to Win

(2,161 posts)
24. #neuwahlen, new election, trended on German twitter last night
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 05:00 PM
Jan 2016

Along with #taharrushgamea

Yes, people are angry.

 

philosslayer

(3,076 posts)
27. The risk will be profiling and unfair treatment
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 07:28 PM
Jan 2016

Lets say you have two groups. A group of Arabs and North Africans who are getting drunk and a little rowdy, and a group of native Germans who are getting drunk and a little rowdy. If the police are going to step up their policing, I would hope the two groups are treated equitably.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
28. A little rowdy is fine.
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 08:20 PM
Jan 2016

Last edited Mon Jan 11, 2016, 09:08 PM - Edit history (1)

And a little rowdy from Germans is ok, considering it probably happens a lot, with no ill effects, or international headlines. But what happened on New Years Eve is not going to be allowed to happen again. The police are going to be keeping a very close eye on the Arabs and North Africans. Some profiling is bound to happen, and probably should. With limited police resources, you keep an eye on the people that have a better chance of causing trouble.
The migrants always know where the door is if they aren't happy in Germany.

 

EL34x4

(2,003 posts)
29. Only in your world were both groups equally drunk and a little rowdy.
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 09:31 PM
Jan 2016

In the real world, in addition to being drunk and a little rowdy, one group in particular was sexually assaulting and robbing women. I would expect this group to receive a little extra attention from the police.

 

philosslayer

(3,076 posts)
31. I was postulating a situation
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 09:39 PM
Jan 2016

Where both were EQUALLY "rowdy". Which implies no criminal activity. Obvious lapsing into sexual assault would change the calculus.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
37. The assaults that happened on
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 11:29 PM
Jan 2016

New years eve were unprecedented, hence the relaxed attitude from the police. It was just when the Arab and North African men got there that it happened, and why the police were so overwhelmed. So, no, I don't think both groups deserve the same kind of attention from law enforcement. From the Germans, you might get a few DWIs. From the others? Well, we saw what they do.
And if Merkel is to have any hope whatsoever of keeping her job, she needs to come down hard, and stop trying to cover it up and stop trying to make excuses. She needs to put out a zero tolerance policy, with expulsion/blacklisting of troublemakers.
"We pulled you out of the rubble. You want to hurt people, we'll put you right back there."

 

Nihil

(13,508 posts)
39. Merkel isn't the only one ...
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 09:13 AM
Jan 2016

> stop trying to cover it up and stop trying to make excuses

There are a couple of DUers who also need to clean up their act with
regard to defending rapists/gropers and blaming victims ...

Democat

(11,617 posts)
40. And some of them are posting on this thread
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 09:41 AM
Jan 2016

You can't claim to be liberal if you don't care at all about the rights of women.

whathehell

(28,968 posts)
44. Oh please... I haven't heard that term in the decades since the assault
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 11:46 AM
Jan 2016

on the Central park jogger and it is reflects deviant behavior, not cultural mores. There's really no equivalence.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
55. A Japanes minister defended such, only a (few) decade(s) ago
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 02:49 PM
Jan 2016

Can't find a link to the story. Sadly, googling for it seems to be crowded with more recent stories.

I remember him saying that it was just the normal impulses of young men (more or less).

 

Dems to Win

(2,161 posts)
47. Girl raped at swimming pool by 3 Syrian teens, not taken into custody
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 01:06 PM
Jan 2016

The ugly didn't have to wait until warm weather.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/633850/Syrian-Emerge-attacks-Germany-Cologne-NYE-Merkel

A TEENAGE girl was surrounded and attacked in a swimming pool in the latest of a series shocking sex assaults emerging from Germany.

...snip...

Three teenagers aged 15 from Syria have been arrested for rape after a 17-year-old girl was attacked in a public swimming pool in Munich on Saturday.

The trio allegedly surrounded the teen, with one of the boys groping her under her swimming costume and penetrating her, making the sex attack rape under German law.

Because the asylum seekers were only 15, they were not remanded in custody and were released, and will be prosecuted under juvenile law.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
49. I wonder what would happen if the situation
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 01:39 PM
Jan 2016

were reversed. If it were a german boy that did that to a Syrian girl. There would no mercy for the german boy from the Merkel government. He would be tried as an adult and his life would be destroyed. But this one gets handled quietly, with minimum press.
It makes me sick the double standard, and lack of protection these people are getting from their government.

But as the father of a 7 year old girl, I have to say that I like you, Dems to Win. Your spirited defense of women's rights is nice to see, with no equivocation, like we see from others I might mention.

Them: Well, you know, it's their culture, and we could stand to be more sensitive...
You: Oh HELL no!

It's very refreshing to see. So, thank you.

 

Dems to Win

(2,161 posts)
50. German boys may well get the same treatment
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 02:16 PM
Jan 2016

I don't really know how a German boy who raped would be treated, most likely it would be the same. They are very reluctant to lock people up. Which has apparently worked for Germans, but offers no protection at all to German girls in these new circumstances. Will the parents of these Syrian boys even tell them they have done something wrong?

Thank you for the compliment. I've long said "I'm a feminist, not a multiculturalist." If a culture does not respect women, I don't respect that culture. (and I'm plenty willing to criticize my own culture). I believe in Universal Human Rights, with no exceptions for cultural traditions.

IMHO, Democrats need to stop being so PC on this issue, pronto. If Donald Trump is the only one to acknowledge that Muslim/Arab culture presents dangers when brought into our country, he will win the votes, hello President Trump. And that would make me very unhappy on a host of issues, not least my strong support for raising the minimum wage.

 

Bernin

(311 posts)
23. Europe
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 04:30 PM
Jan 2016

needs to swing this door the other way and start exporting rather than importing these immigrants.

Also, I predict Chancellor Merkel will not make it to the next election. And, if she tries then human Merkel might not make it to her next birthday.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
36. I predict that she is toast. She has been completely tone deaf from the beginning.
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 10:28 PM
Jan 2016

This just goes to prove that she was very wrong all along. And she's still in denial.

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
41. Not just in Germany.
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 10:03 AM
Jan 2016
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/12/world/europe/swedish-police-coverup-sexual-assault.html

Sexual assaults by young male refugees has been epidemic in other european cities. The politicians and media have been hush-hush about it, because they don't want the populace to sour on the immigration policies.

whathehell

(28,968 posts)
56. I'm surprised by the UK..
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 03:18 PM
Jan 2016

Was it not their prime minister who announced, after the Tube bombing, that "Multiculturalism doesn't work".?

MowCowWhoHow III

(2,103 posts)
58. Surprisingly I think that can be attributed to Angela Merkel, before her psychotic break
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 03:26 PM
Jan 2016
Angela Merkel: German multiculturalism has 'utterly failed' (2010)

The German chancellor, Angela Merkel, has courted growing anti-immigrant opinion in Germany by claiming the country's attempts to create a multicultural society have "utterly failed".

Speaking to a meeting of young members of her Christian Democratic Union party, Merkel said the idea of people from different cultural backgrounds living happily "side by side" did not work.

She said the onus was on immigrants to do more to integrate into German society.

"This [multicultural] approach has failed, utterly failed," Merkel told the meeting in Potsdam, west of Berlin, yesterday.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/oct/17/angela-merkel-german-multiculturalism-failed

whathehell

(28,968 posts)
59. Interesting..
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 03:35 PM
Jan 2016

She was right the first time -- It is incumbent upon the immigrant to assimilate into the new culture. They can hold onto their culture to an extent, the way so many of our ancestors did, but they can't break laws or oherwise offend the sensibilities of new country in a major way.

If they don't want to do this, they should just stay where they are.

 

branford

(4,462 posts)
63. It was a local Labour Council that covered-up the crimes for years, not the Tories.
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 06:43 PM
Jan 2016

Rotherham was a disaster for many peoples' perceptions of Labour and their support of multiculturalism in Britain, and an unexpected political boon for the Tories.

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