Happening now: Bundy breaking down fence on refuge #BundyTeaParty
Source: Twitter
Wanda Moore @WandaKTVZ
Happening now: Bundy breaking down fence on refuge
Read more: https://twitter.com/WandaKTVZ/status/686647283547377665
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VIDEO and photos of Ammon Bundy and others committing new felonies at link above. More on edit:
Anna King
@HarneyCoSheriff are these people now using gvmt equipment to illegally tear down a federal fence?#Oregonstandoff
14 minutes ago
#Oregonstandoff opened a 80-foot gap between government and private ground just now using Malheur cat.
nna King ?@AnnaKingN3 19 minutes ago
#Oregonstandoff breaches fence between government and private ground.
Anna King ?@AnnaKingN3 40 minutes ago
#Oregonstandoff has stopped to unload tractor. #fencebreachconvoy
Anna King ?@AnnaKingN3 1 hour ago
Right now: #Oregonstandoff occupiers on their way to take down a section of fence and install a gate.
Anna King ?@AnnaKingN3 2 hours ago
"Our stand here is very clear there are rules we've placed on government ...."
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VIDEO:
Wanda Moore ?@WandaKTVZ 3 minutes ago
Happening now: taking out a federal fence, post by post #bundymilitia #Oregonstandoff
[/center] That's all the evidence needed. Next question, were firearms used in the commisssion of these felonies? Yes, then the mandatory minimums kick in, each count, no exceptions.
UPDATE 5:30 PM local dark outside time. My question about firearms while committing the felony now answered.[center]
If these were real cowboys, they could pull those posts out by hand. #BundyTeaParty
Reverb Press ?@ReverbPress 4 minutes ago
#AmmonBundy Reveals Motive - Nature Preserve Occupation A Land Grab #Oregonstandoff
SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)Where's the video of the arrest?
FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)they dont have to break the law.
I am totally fine with no violence right now as long as these guys, all of them, are indicted and tried on the multiple felony charges they are indictable under.
If not, then they run the risk of pissing off the adults/liberals/voters.
Baitball Blogger
(46,698 posts)Our country has destabilized countries, including our own, and the feds are afraid to act on a bunch of whiney, privileged anarchists because they're white? Really?
hopemountain
(3,919 posts)they are having to deal with all of the paid off corporate puppets that have infiltrated all sectors of government without letting on how corrupt they all are.
Tells you who matters doesn't it.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)So sick of these Bundy asshats getting away with this shit.
They better figure out how to deal with this soon. They haven't even cut off power or water yet, have they?
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roguevalley
(40,656 posts)a whimper. They didn't get a mass uprising and they aren't getting challenged so they're escalating to make one. It will fail too.
CanonRay
(14,097 posts)We should just let them do whatever they want so this ends "peacefully"? I don't get it.
Marty McGraw
(1,024 posts)Like their past heroes did (at least this time they won't have any innocents involved in their lunacy) when it goes up.
I can certainly live with it.
wordpix
(18,652 posts)These people won't be missed, esp if they torch themselves
trillion
(1,859 posts)hopemountain
(3,919 posts)there are photos/video of bundy - oregon.live or local tv - walking with kids while holding one on the refuge land.
CanonRay
(14,097 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)are going to be pivotal. They thought they had a built in support but they don't. My family is from this region. Eastern Oregon. A shoot out will only strengthen them. Arrest them when its not going to start a war.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)[center]Yes, we have a few extremists, but the locals in Burns are sensible people just like almost everyone in Oregon.
Even our obstructionists wouldn't do this criminal stuff. That said, we need to know who is really behind this event.
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Cosmocat
(14,561 posts)treated like our fellow american of darker complexion.
But ... The game isn't fair.
As long as on the back end they get what is coming to them, sadly, because of how it would be spun, they get his kind of wide berth.
Chemisse
(30,807 posts)As long as they wind up behind bars when all this is done.
The rest of us face charges when we break federal laws; they had better face charges too.
Kablooie
(18,625 posts)I think they all be left totally free, and rich, to plunder the government more in the future.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Note that they didn't lift a goddamn finger against these terrorists when they pointed weapons at federal agents.
They are winning because the feds are determined to lose this fight.
markpkessinger
(8,392 posts)RKP5637
(67,102 posts)wordpix
(18,652 posts)Keep piling on the charges, feds. There is plenty of precedent about fed power over armed insurrection
CurtEastPoint
(18,638 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)From my review of the statutes, after this display of stupidity, the #BundyBunch won't be getting out of jail because of the mandatory minimums.
[center]The #BundyBunch was spotted this morning, foraging for snacks.
For those who haven't visited this part of the world:
Photo explore the area in Panoramio
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)Some are even sorry about it. Or at least being caught.
These folks are worse than children.
wordpix
(18,652 posts)with guns and everything. The idiots don't know they're wrong in their pea brains
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)wordpix
(18,652 posts)dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)wordpix
(18,652 posts)csziggy
(34,135 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)If you can call parading around for a camera in a blue plaid jacket work.
Guy can't even pull up a steel post by hand.
Charles Darwin ?@CDarwinWasRight 7 minutes ago Retweeted Anna
The #Oregonstandoff is so scary cause it is a Mad Max scenario come true. These people are ready to die, and to kill
Meanwhile in real muse: Paul Solomon ?@FrankTheDoorman 7 hours ago
If Donald Trump wants to be president, he still has to produce a long-form birth certificate for that thing on his head.
xocet
(3,871 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Zambero
(8,964 posts)Raul Labrador (R-ID)
63splitwindow
(2,657 posts)easily and totally distracted by a squirrel...
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meow2u3
(24,761 posts)Here are a few more:
johnnypanic42
(14 posts)I can just see it now...all the supporters marching out of the refuge while "Eye of the Tiger" plays in the background...hey, as long as they look cool, it's not illegal, right?
Volaris
(10,269 posts)If I were going to sit down in the middle of a street to display my dislike of jaywalking laws,
I know full well that the police will come and arrest me....that's the point.
Insurrection is when I RESIST that arrest with force.
Right now, sure we could call this property violations or some other such nonsense.
The real test will be when the Feds show up to enforce warrants.
(On edit) -- none of what I just said makes your Congressman any less of an idiot fuckwad. He should be smart enough to know how this could end (badly for everyone) and should be doing everything in his power to de-esclate this situation; if he's going to show up and run his mouth he should at least be trying to do something USEFUL with it...
1939
(1,683 posts)you probably wouldn't be arrested though if you laid out there long enough you might die of exposure.
By the same token, if these guys were making their stand by setting up a roadblock on the 14th St bridge in DC, they would have been hauled off long ago (or if they had occupied the Lincoln Memorial).
Volaris
(10,269 posts)So let them freeze to death
(Makes the feds jobs easier later)
wordpix
(18,652 posts)we taxpayers will have to pay to replace. Is that ok with the Lab?
louis-t
(23,288 posts)2naSalit
(86,515 posts)Which is why they're tearing it down... and to escalate the issue now that they are emboldened by Congresscritters.
louis-t
(23,288 posts)More like 'desperate'. They want conflict. They're children clamoring for attention and they're not getting enough. Full of over-inflated self-worth. They believe their own rhetoric. They really think the government is going to come git them and they can't wait to start shooting.
2naSalit
(86,515 posts)AND there is the issue that several teabaggers in office have also been backing them as of the last 48 hours. Then there's that fence, one of the longtime issues for the guys who ARE in jail for tearing down that fence and setting fires etc.. This refuge is in dispute because the riparian vegetation and stream banks were being destroyed by cattle so the fence was erected to keep the cows out. The fence is the excuse for the insurrection.
And it isn't just a swamp, it is sensitive habitat that is being destroyed by these kkklowns and that heavy equipment. They want cattle to be allowed on the sanctuary at the very least... and a good old fashioned shoot out wif' de gubbamint. yahoo.
OnionPatch
(6,169 posts)2naSalit
(86,515 posts)They are using the dozer they found, I'm guessing, and they sure as heck didn't walk out to the fence. Haven't seen the images yet but being slightly familiar with the place, they are indeed destroying sensitive habitat/land. It will take a lot of effort and time for the wetland in the area they are driving heavy machinery to recover from that. Just imagine you have a nice little wetland in your yard and some sh*tforbrainz comes along in a machine that weighs at least 30,000lbs and drives it over the wetland and then moves it around a whole bunch in a concentrated patch...
OnionPatch
(6,169 posts)Cattle can destroy wetland habitat very quickly.
This is really getting out of hand. WTF?? If the feds don't do something soon, they're seriously guilty of neglect of duty.
2naSalit
(86,515 posts)as to what means of remedy are appropriate... I know what these guys are like and they are dangerous. Looks like they are using a little bobcat thing, not a big dozer, but that's really bot the point.
Yeah, cattle is a detriment to the landscape out in the west but the cattlefolks will tell you how they help improve the land and that they are actually good for the land, as one rancher berated me about last night. I even heard big Ed let a rancher tell him that rubbish the other day and he didn't challenge her. Remember, science is a ruse to them and what they think they know because gawd told 'em, is all that matters and has to be true if the voice in their head said so.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)recently. riparian areas are ruined, native grasses are eaten away.
Several video documentations of the cattle damages on this account. The Federal Gov. has shown favoritism to the Bundy-type 'ranchers' for decades. They never charge them with crimes.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)and wondered how any animals in the area could even survive?
One of the unwanted side effects of the #BundyTeaParty, to their own interests, is exposure of the truth of land use out West, environmental destruction wherever not protected. This will result in higher grazing fees and more restrictions on environmental impacts. If we have any sense as a nation, it would result in habitat restoration wherever possible. But first, we have to throw the TeaParty out of Congress.
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rebels mom ?@anonhumanperson 3 minutes ago
Sources: Malheur data breach concerns Fish & Wildlife-residents being threatened http://wp.me/p4yR81-14yM via @koinnews #oregonstandoff
Rick on Point ?@RickOnPnt 6 minutes ago
Let's be honest, if the #OregonMilitia had been Muslim, there would have been a bloodbath by now. #Oregonstandoff
#overit #gohome
OnionPatch
(6,169 posts)Not in Oregon but here in California.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)The not native cheat grass looks pretty and green in spring, it burns like crazy, its fire tinder in fall. All it takes is one asshole,one car/truck to drive off road or build a campfire- to ignite a wildfire.
I don't think most people realize sheep and cattle aren't 'clipper' grazers. Most people don't realize cattle do NOT even have upper front grazing teeth. just a flat skin pad up top to grasp and pull out grasses. Their manure doesn't spread seeds either.
Those livestock stay in one spot and eat roots and all, cattle wallow in springs and along creek & river sides until the land is dead sand. This causes erosion in lands so fragile the track damage from the 100 years ago wagon trains still are easy to see.
wordpix
(18,652 posts)Many from what I've seen in the west overuse and abuse our public lands and the fed gov is complicit. Wildlife can't survive when their habitat is destroyed by what John Muir referred to as "hoofed locusts."
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Moreso perhaps when they own it themselves. Over-exploitation is counter-productive and ranchers know this.
The Nation is complicit for creating the situation. The West was won (read: stolen) with guns and raped for resources to the extent allowed. Now, there is a culture clash and the values that stole a continent for the Anglo nation; draw first, shoot to kill, the only good Indian is a dead Indian, there's gold in them thar hills and forests, etc., are obsolete. Cultural transformation takes time, moreso in once isolated communities. Today, a new generation is upon us, the fossils are really outnumbered, and in a connected world, rural insular culture is a thing of the past for the younger generation. The ecological wisdom of the Natives is no longer esoterica to ignorant immigrants, it is the majority view.
That does not change the nature or impact of "hooved locusts" though. We need to regulated the range better, for the benefit of the natural world and our future sustainability, not for personal profit of greedy locals. If the federal government continues to subsidize rural communities in sparsely populated areas, and there are very good reasons to do so including care of the public lands, there are far better ways to stimulate rural economies. How about infrastructure spending. But hey, the US's apparent need to militarize the globe prevails over concerns such as roads and bridges at home.
wordpix
(18,652 posts)I say the fees for use of fed lands need to increase along with incentives to restore abused and overused areas. I have seen far too many abuses in the west and ranchers and miners get use of the land almost free. Witness the miners ' fees similar to 1800s fees and we no longer have pick and shovel miners but heavy equipment operations.
Stimulate rural economies by incentives like eco tourism, grass fed, pasture raised meat operations that are small farm oriented and organic grain growing. It is nearly impossible to get organic wheat, for example, and organic bread is sky high. But poisoning the land, running large herds, and heavy equipment mining rule.
Btw, organic farming nationwide is up to 1%of all farming. Whoopdedoo.
louis-t
(23,288 posts)in a show for the cameras. Several guys took turns. The media ate it up.
2naSalit
(86,515 posts)L. Coyote
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2naSalit
(86,515 posts)randome
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HassleCat
(6,409 posts)Eventually, they will get in a conflict with the locals.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)There was a real Tea Party tea time yesterday, Ammon Bundy and fellow gun-toting registered Republicans, this time not just any Republicans, big shots (pun intended).
by John Sepulvado and Dave Blanchard OPB | Jan. 10, 2016 Burns, Oregon
Nevada state Rep. Michele Fiore, a Republican, tells OPB she called Ammon Bundy Saturday night. Fiore has long been an ally of the Bundy family. The representative sponsored land transfer legislation known as the Bundy Bill in March last year, and directed profanity at another colleague on the floor of the Nevada legislature while defending it.
Everyone knows Im a supporter of the Bundy family, Fiore said. Our relationship is pretty well documented. ..............
No encouragement to further terrorism whatsoever, right!
Letters asks U.S. Attorney General for response to refuge occupation
By Dylan J. Darling / The Bulletin / @DylanJDarling Jan 11, 2016
A pair of groups representing current and former federal employees have sent a letter to the head of the U.S. Department of Justice urging action to end the occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge headquarters.
In our experience we have learned that lawbreakers must be held accountable in a timely manner or they will gain power and become more dangerous, reads the letter from the Public Lands Foundation and the National Association of Forest Service Retirees sent Tuesday to U.S. Attorney General Loretta Lynch. We are very concerned that the longer that no action is taken, the current situation will deteriorate and become more and more dangerous for the dedicated people protecting the public lands and the public legally using these lands. ........
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#Oregonstandoff #ranchers #wildlife #birders #publicland #ecology #BLM #Oregon #OregonUnderAttack #BundyMilitia #BundyBunch
DetlefK
(16,423 posts)- breaking and entering
- armed sedition
- theft (of utilities)
- computer fraud and abuse (for logging in those computers without clearance)
- vandalism (destroying a fence)
Delver Rootnose
(250 posts)...the DoJ only goes after people who emperil the profits of the wealthy. They know who thier employers are.
harun
(11,348 posts)63splitwindow
(2,657 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)SHRED
(28,136 posts)What makes you think so in this case?
hopemountain
(3,919 posts)ah! they are one and the same?
i most definitely believe this to be true. same as the teahaddhist kkk elected government reps paid off by the corporations that want to get their share of profits from tearing up the land and resources and exporting/selling them to china. walden is definitely part of those schemes along with many law enforcement - state & local.
wordpix
(18,652 posts)headed to D.C. for a coup to remove Obama and congressmen, and the local sheriff is buying the self defense claim. How many more crimes should be documented before these buffoons get their comeuppance?
63splitwindow
(2,657 posts)No thanks. They will get what they have coming eventually--- when giving it to them will not turn them into martyrs. I see these scum for exactly what they are and recognize what they are trying to do. They are traitors to the United States of America and are trying to foment armed revolt. First they are trying to recruit others to follow them. Hammering them at this point will serve that purpose. They can easily be pulverized at the time of OUR choosing, not theirs.
wouldsman
(94 posts)Reminds me of Bush cutting brush with his chainsaw.
No real farmer/rancher ever works with barb wire with no gloves on. Especially in winter time!
Poser!
Take his "rural card" away from him. Take his "farmer card", his "rancher card" and his "country boy" card away from him.
Still In Wisconsin
(4,450 posts)this guy has never, ever worked with barbed wire before.
Delver Rootnose
(250 posts)...so smooth and well manicured.
christx30
(6,241 posts)FailureToCommunicate
(14,012 posts)wouldsman
(94 posts)Like "all hat no cattle"!
Person 2713
(3,263 posts)emulatorloo
(44,109 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)work overtime to make sure nobody else can do what they did.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)The Chair of Harney County Republicans Tim Smith is a vocal supporter of the Hammonds
AND a director of the Harney County Committee of Safety (HCCS).
Which has a website, domain owned/registered to Ammon Bundy in Phoenix, AZ.
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Quoting from Ammon Bundy's Harney Co. CS webpage:
It is the function of the Committee of Safety to call up able-body men and women to stand in defense of unalienable rights. The Committee of Safety is the governing body for the Militia and directs the Militia in its defensive actions.
Yeah, until the militia splits in two and goes insanely felonious. Then who answers for forming the militia in the first place? Just one #TeaPartyNut ot the lot of nuts? This needs to be pinned on the non-donkeys where deserved.
atreides1
(16,070 posts)That's just one word off from the infamous Committee of Public Safety!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Committee_of_Public_Safety
TNNurse
(6,926 posts)has he ever actually worked on a ranch?? Please do not shoot him, I would rather he suffer from lockjaw.
DeadLetterOffice
(1,352 posts)Liberty Belle
(9,533 posts)if it's cold and the pee freezes....
livingonearth
(728 posts)wordpix
(18,652 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)I'm sure they'll come to their senses soon, and simply pack up and go home if we keep
looking the other way and doing nothing to stop these well-intentioned but misguided
fellows.
The Mafia must be taking notes on how to commit a continuous chain of Federal crimes publicly,
then be allowed to simply walk-free.
phantom power
(25,966 posts)red dog 1
(27,792 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Ignore them, like bratty kids trying to get attention.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Let them party on. They will get a comeuppance in a court. And it won't be a shoot-out at the OK Corral. It will cost them. They are imposing costs on the taxpayers. Our courts are there to recoup those costs.
phantom power
(25,966 posts)Nor has he had any "comeuppance in court." Not in 2 years. two fucking years.
red dog 1
(27,792 posts)dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)If these guys are so broke they need to ask for donations for coffee creamer, how can they afford to pay for the pickups. ?
I know those things cost a lot nowdays.
progressoid
(49,968 posts)bvar22
(39,909 posts)This is an invasion of US Federal Territory, as far as I'm concerned, and a military response would not be out of the question.
harun
(11,348 posts)mfcorey1
(11,001 posts)*%$#@ out!
phantom power
(25,966 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Botany
(70,483 posts)You have professional ecologists, biologists, range mangers, and ranchers who put up that
fence. I hope that asshole will help round up the neighbor's stock when they gets away or pays
for the sock when the coyotes and or mt.lions kill them.
I spent all day listening to professional ecologists give lectures and I come home to see this shit?
mindwalker_i
(4,407 posts)They're rich, they're white, shit ain't gonna happen.
2naSalit
(86,515 posts)the riparian zone they are tearing up which will take a long time to recover.
I'm ready to go shoot these kkklods myself but all I got is a musket and a two day drive!
Loudestlib
(980 posts)Crooks.
Luciferous
(6,078 posts)Paladin
(28,246 posts)Where, when and how is the line going to be drawn against these thug white guys in cowboy hats? I'm sick to death of it.
rtracey
(2,062 posts)Nothing will happen to these "patriots", eventually they will run out of food and leave, and the govt will just mark it down as a blip. They will hire some local folks to put the fence back up and just mosey on home..... Lets try an experiment. Lets gather a group of latinos or blacks together, hand them guns, put them in a federal facility and see how fucking fast they are cleared out.....hmmmmm would they last for 2 weeks?
red dog 1
(27,792 posts)people
(623 posts)I definitely do not want anyone shot or killed over this craziness. BUT it certainly looks like the gov't is afraid of these militia types and that because Bundy and supporters are WHITE rancher types they can do what they please and they will not be arrested or prosecuted. Where are the military tanks that surrounded black protesters in Ferguson and other places? Was the salvaged military type equipment only handed out to police depts. where there are large minority populations??? This makes the gov't look VERY PATHETIC and VERY racist. SAD, sad, sad.
Munificence
(493 posts)This situation is bad enough as it is without needing to make up stuff.
Tanks in Ferguson....funny stuff there.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)I hear calls for swift confrontation, as if petitioning the Davis police to intervene with pepper spray, except not pepper spray.
I'd like to think that for once we might see how it is done right because it is happening in Oregon,. All the people ranting for conflict are not helping a difficult situation. I know Oregon and some of the people in elected office and I'm not worried. Just let the responsible people do their jobs and stay out of their way.
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shireen
(8,333 posts)is to allow time for these self-entitled assholes to self-destruct.
That's my theory. After what happened in Ruby Ridge and Waco, FBI is being wise to watch and wait.
Vinca
(50,255 posts)SHRED
(28,136 posts)You think anything will be done here?
LMAO
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)The skid-steer and the pickup towing it are government equipment, federal government equipment. Did they steal that stuff? Any government employee who helped them will lose his job, maybe end up in jail.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)And CAT keys are universal so if they had one...
blackspade
(10,056 posts)You can see the logos on them.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Last edited Tue Jan 12, 2016, 04:58 PM - Edit history (1)
[center]Dave Killen ?@killendave 3 minutes ago
Oregon occupation planned for months by Ammon Bundy and Montana militia leader http://s.oregonlive.com/QOt7Uvl #Oregonstandoff
Cliff Crego ?@cliffcrego 4 minutes ago
#Delta5 #ClimateTrial & #OREGONStandoff 'Rule of Force' continues as armed takeover goes on w/ impunity.Breathtaking
PoliticalGroove ?@PoliticalGroove 16 minutes ago
Militia on closed local schools: "We don't want no kids missing no education on account o' us" #Oregonstandoff
Maggie Jordan ?@MaggieJordanACN
The cash strapped #OregonMilitia paid to purchase a new sign for the refuge
OR
They commandeered a Staples
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Send in the national guard. We have been invaded from within.
Enough of the DC-driven cowardice.
jpak
(41,757 posts)Dumbasses
yup
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)being allowed to run amok? Something very wrong is going on behind the scenes and I'm beginning to think the feds are complicit in whatever it is.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)NobodyHere
(2,810 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)The threshold for prosecution has been crossed from the available evidence linking an act to an individual without reasonable doubt. That means indictments can go forward. And, I bet they left their firearms back at the refuge in their trucks to avoid those mandated extra years of prison time for stealing vehicles while armed! They want to be arrested, as you can plainly see. This tale supposed to wage the base until November.
SamKnause
(13,091 posts)I tried the one in the post but I don't see a live feed anywhere on that page.
I searched Google and couldn't find a live feed either.
I have been checking CNN and MSNBC but have not seen any reports yet.
Thanks in advance.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)then look at the navigation bar at the top, choices are Top, Live, Photos, Videos, etc. This references that LIVE, the most recent tweets. I don't know if the M$M or the idiot brigade of yeehadists are broadcasting, but I want to see everyone's postings so I use Twitter Live. This seems to be the most active tag and the most neutral. Some tags are redneck, some mock them, and have less balanced and less activity.[center]
Benjamin Kerensa Verified account ?@bkerensa 2 minutes ago
It seems like the feds are just letting the #bundymilitia stack up new fed charges to they can send them away for life #Oregonstandoff
CareerFed ?@careerfed 2 minutes ago Retweeted montag
Oh Lawdy, #YallQaeda doesn't have an exit plan either! #VanillaISIS #Oregonstandoff #OregonUnderAttack
Alexis Sullivan ?@LexieS1723 3 minutes ago
Well fine, I'ma go get my 40 acres & a mule then. Since people stealing & destroying shit around here & nobody seems 2 care. #Oregonstandoff
SamKnause
(13,091 posts)I clicked on Live several times.
I guess there is no live feed available at this time.
Thank you.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Live feed in Twitter is not a LIVE broadcast, and you have to click to refresh with the latest tweets. A JavaScript keeps you connected to the server and you see the number of new tweets as they post, up at the top. Here is what is at the top of the feed right now, a new hashtag, #JailBundy:
Galen Mittermann ?23 seconds ago Retweeted KGW News
Enough is enough. It's time to #jailbundy.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)blackspade
(10,056 posts)Standing around with their thumbs up their asses?
What other group has been allowed to continue to wrack up felonies for weeks before LE makes them stop?
Fucking hell!
valerief
(53,235 posts)Cuz in America only the innocent are punished, never the guilty.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Anyone contributing money or snacks to them hereafter the felony action, can also be charged. This was a bad move, they just lost the snacks!
mommadona ?@mommadona 6 minutes ago
Couple dozen grown men and all they've done, for a week, is point guns/spit /tear down fences #DomesticTerrorist #Deadbeats #Oregonstandoff
Cornelia @PaladinCornelia
Take wild public land, privatize it and let ranchers run cattle ALL OVER IT!
Yahoo! #Oregonstandoff #HarneyCounty
DemoTex
(25,392 posts)Double down: it is the GOP way.
yellowcanine
(35,699 posts)Criminal Trespass
The crime of criminal trespass involves a person knowingly entering or remaining on a property on which he knows he does not have permission to be. Criminal trespass is most often a misdemeanor, though it can be prosecuted as a felony, especially if the trespass results in damage to persons or property.
Read more : http://www.ehow.com/facts_5877144_difference-between-trespassing-criminal-trespassing.html
Kablooie
(18,625 posts)What do you bet we will see more illegal intrusions into government by old white guys with guns soon.
If there is no deterrent it will be inevitable.
Something really has to change in this country.
There is not even any pretense of everyone being equal in the eyes of the law anymore.
sinkingfeeling
(51,444 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)You know the old saying, "Do the crime, do the time."
Colin Miner ?@cominer minutes ago
BREAKING: Federal employees report harassment, intimidation by self-described militia in #Oregonstandoff -
http://koin.com/2016/01/11/sources-malheur-data-breach-concerns-fish-wildlife/
https://t.co/sbZt1HpktA
Kristin Momoa ?@SpecialK_808 4 minutes ago
Bundy's Seem to have Carte Blanche out there now they've taken down a fence! 😡
https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2016/1/11/1468520/-OR-standoff-crew-depart-from-federal-building-to-use-federal-equipment-to-destroy-federal-fence
#OregonUnderAttack #Oregonstandoff
Ammon Bundy ?@truepatriot15 6 minutes ago
Before you come, please make sure to bring any and all TP that's in that bathroom, solider. #Oregonstandoff
U of A Arts Faculty ?@UofA_Arts 9 minutes ago
Poli Sci prof Judy Garber explains #Oregonstandoff & why, so far, they've been left alone http://ow.ly/WVdyK #UAlberta
OkSustainAg
(203 posts)Won't that mean they won't be able to buy guns anymore. That would be truly Ironic. HAHAHa!
jmowreader
(50,552 posts)Which means not only will they not be able to buy guns, they'll have to surrender the ones they own.
Sylvarose
(210 posts)"A data breach by militia at the Malheur Wildlife National Refuge has led the US Fish and Wildlife Service to ask some of its employees to relocate from their homes until the situation is resolved, sources told KOIN 6 News."
http://koin.com/2016/01/11/sources-malheur-data-breach-concerns-fish-wildlife/
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)To the point they're moving their own damn people out of their own damn homes because the alternative--enforcing the law--has been declared a non-starter.
Nihil
(13,508 posts)The jerks only had the "courage" to act this way because Bundy's father has
*never* been punished for his crimes.
Failing to respond to criminal action is tacit approval of it.
That's why aiding & abetting is a crime alongside the action being supported.
Unfortunately, the government agencies were proven - to the whole world - to be
aiding & abetting Bundy senior's criminal activity and this is the result.
Apparently, enforcing the law against white gun-owners has been vetoed in
favour of allowing them to do whatever they want for as long as they want to.
Cartoonist
(7,314 posts)Does that mean: when the white guys get everything they want and an open invitation to come back any time?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)So really those liburls with their 'lections and laws 'n stuff brought this on 'emselves...
?1446942452
maggies farm
(79 posts)Damning indictment recites the arson crimes of the Hammonds in BLM denial for grazing permit letter. get some popcorn and read in entirety to understand how some do as they please.
Notice of Final Decision to Deny Application for Grazing Permit Renewal
The Hammonds were charged with malicious destruction of federal property by fire.
The Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996, Pub. L. No. 104-132, 110 Stat. 1214, (also known as AEDPA) is an act of Congress signed into law on April 24, 1996. The bill was introduced by former Senate Majority Leader Bob Dole, passed with broad bipartisan support by Congress (91-8 in the United States Senate, 293-133 in the House of Representatives) following the 1990s World Trade Center and Oklahoma City bombings, and signed into law by President Bill Clinton.[1][2]
S. 735 (104th): Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996
I sure hope they will be charged with pulling fences down. That is not consider a light offense in public ranges.
Legal Mandates relating to Public Lands Grazing
Laws that apply to the BLMs management of public lands grazing include the Taylor Grazing Act of 1934, the National Environmental Policy Act of 1969, the Endangered Species Act of 1973, the Federal Land Policy and Management Act of 1976, and the Public Rangelands Improvement Act of 1978.
Fact Sheet on the BLMs Management of Livestock Grazing
red dog 1
(27,792 posts)Welcome to DU.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Robbery in the first degree if ..robbery in the third degree AND the person is armed with a deadly weapon, or uses or attempts to use a dangerous weapon... a Class A felony.
Robbery in the second degree if armed with what purports to be a dangerous or deadly weapon; or aided by another person actually present... a Class B felony.
164.395 Robbery in the third degree ... if in the course of committing or attempting to commit theft or unauthorized use of a vehicle the person uses or threatens the immediate use of physical force upon another person with the intent of preventing or overcoming resistance to the taking of the property or to retention thereof immediately after the taking ... a Class C felony.
161.605 Maximum prison terms for felonies
Class A felony, 20 years.
Class B felony, 10 years.
Class C felony, 5 years.
Next, there may be statutes that may be applied that require the maximum sentence per count.
Don't know if Oregon would charge them on Federal land, but you get their legal picture with this.[center]
Steve Kaufmann ?@SteveKmann 1 minute ago
Admiring another awesome gym in #HarneyCounty as we await the start of community mtg #Oregonstandoff @KTVZ
Amanda Peacher Verified account ?@amandapeacher 3 minutes ago
Packed house for tonight's community mtg in Burns about the #Oregonstandoff.
RandiFan1290
(6,229 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Last edited Mon Jan 11, 2016, 10:13 PM - Edit history (1)
"Hi. I'm from Arizona. God sent me. Where's the gold? Move over, I need your bulldozer."
This epitomizes how just a few assholes seeking gold killed off 60 million Americans moreso than anything else that comes to mind today.
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3catwoman3
(23,970 posts)...French Vanilla creamer spiked with a powerful, long-lasting sedative.
red dog 1
(27,792 posts)3catwoman3
(23,970 posts)Go for it.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Especially with the #BundyBunch, they are already in cartoons.
wordpix
(18,652 posts)They'll be easier to arrest with some spiked food and drinks. Send them a care package
dbackjon
(6,578 posts)Jacoby365
(451 posts)Just one of several laws they have broken. I guess the feds are not going to do anything.
18 U.S.C. § 930 : US Code - Section 930
http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/uscode/18/I/44/930
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)18 USC § 924(c). Punishment ranges from at least 5 years up to life imprisonment,
without parole, or death if death results from use of firearm. Sentence must be
served consecutive to any other sentence. Mandatory minimum sentence increases
depending upon: the type of firearm involved (sawed-off gun, silencer, etc.);
whether more than one offense was committed; and whether gun was simply
possessed or was brandished or discharged.
... if a defendant is convicted of a felony having as an element the defendants use or threatened use of a firearm during the commission of the crime, the court shall impose at least the minimum term of imprisonment ....
(4) The minimum terms of imprisonment for felonies having as an element the defendants use or threatened use of a firearm in the commission of the crime shall be as follows:
(a) Except as provided in subsection (5) of this section, upon the first conviction for such felony, five years, except that if the firearm is a machine gun, short-barreled rifle, short-barreled shotgun or is equipped with a firearms silencer, the term of imprisonment shall be 10 years.
.... felony crime of motor vehicle theft ... person must serve the full sentence and may not have the sentence reduced for any reason.
We don't have enough time left today to enumerate the possible statues that can be brought to bear. But, stealing a motorized vehicle in combination with the armed threat is a really long term for just that count. Each count must be served and cannot be reduced when firearms are involved in the commission of a felony seems to apply here.
pansypoo53219
(20,969 posts)fucking take away EVERYTHING. start an auction.
JustAnotherGen
(31,798 posts)He should have money siezed to pay to replace it.
I'm not paying for this petulant little thug's vandalism.
They can eat beans and rice like lots of folks do who did nothing wrong. Vwho don't break laws. Who don't trespass. Who work hard and have little to show for it.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)by Conrad Wilson OPB Jan. 11, 2016
The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service is condemning the removal of fences bordering the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge by militants occupying the public property.
In a video released late Sunday, Ammon Bundy claimed his group would visit nearby ranchers Monday.
Were planning on going down to the ranch adjacent here to the Malheur Refuge where theyve cut off the largest portion of their range, Bundy said in the video address. Were going to go take that fence down and get those ranchers back to ranching on their range.
Ryan Haas Verified account ?@ryanjhaas 1 minute ago
Lots of you have asked why the gov. hasn't shut off utilities in #Oregonstandoff. FBI isn't giving answers. http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/law-enforcement-stays-quiet-on-refuge-occupation-/#.VpRb875DCsk.twitter
wordpix
(18,652 posts)Uh, no, that is OUR range, collectively owned. These people are just thieves and felons.
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)If the government does not stop these fuckers NOW then no park, national forest, or wildlife refuge is safe. This is an existential threat to the entire National Park/Monument/Forrest/Refuge system.
flamingdem
(39,312 posts)enjoy your last breath of freedom cuz you're going to the slammer. Well eventually I believe.
L. Coyote
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Simone Del Rosario ?@SimoneReports 5 minutes ago
Here's the warning from @HarneyCoSheriff on #OregonStandoff. Sheriff speaking at community meeting tonight
Dave Killen Verified account ?@killendave 5 minutes ago
These meetings will be held every Monday "until they are no longer necessary" says opening speaker #Oregonstandoff
Anna King ?@AnnaKingN3 7 minutes ago
About 300 people sit on both sides of the Burns high school basketball court waiting for the sheriff to speak. #Oregonstandoff
ON EDIT, video removed. See this thread for more.
kennyjacobs ?@kennyjacobs 1 minute ago
Tossing Santili may have been celebrated at the Malheur illegal occupation site as much as the town meeting. #Oregonstandoff
Thomas Boyd Verified account ?@thomasboyd 3 minutes ago
Militant "journalist" removed from town meet for disrupting official speakers #Oregonstandoff
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Otherwise, don't you mean two of them?
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)These people are about as fucking clueless about government land and social justice as it comes.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Last edited Tue Jan 12, 2016, 12:34 PM - Edit history (1)
Pete Santilli got thrown out on his ass LIVE! Then, outside by himself whining into YouTube about the Constitution ... unbearable whining ... more of same ...
LOL. ... the inadvertence of having a big mouth. Dude, you should be on right-wing talk radio, so we can shut you off. Which I had to do in two threads!
He's "the revolution" being televised. I just checked, and globally, there are 19 viewers. Pete Santilli Show All 19 of them are also the ones he films.
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Mike Walker ?@New_Narrative
@AnnaKingN3: @HarneyCoSheriff says we can't get back to normal until these guys go home. #Oregonstandoff
Dave Killen Verified account ?@killendave
"Mr Bundy go home" says county judge Steve Grastly to applause #Oregonstandoff
[center]Anna King @AnnaKingN3
"I've never felt scared -- but today at a local cafe two locals were showing their guns -- that was a little much."
Dave Killen Verified account ?@killendave
That's a wrap, thanks for watching. See you all back at the refuge tomorrow I guess #Oregonstandoff
Dave Killen @killendave
Man asks Ward if he can prevent supplies going out to refuge by closing road, also requests he get rid of Pete Santilli #Oregonstandoff
https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&vertical=default&q=%23Oregonstandoff
Steve Kaufmann ?@SteveKmann
A banner in the gym reads "Let fear be far from all" #HarneyCounty #Oregonstandoff @KTVZ
JohnR ?@AnglerArcher
I want to make a living as an artist, doesn't mean Govt. has to make it possible. #Oregonstandoff #OregonUnderAttack
Fedor Zarkhin @FedorZarkhin
Next week, let's hope we're celebrating the Bundys are gone, mc says as meeting wraps up. #Oregonstandoff
Dave Killen ?@killendave
"We want the Bundys and all the militia to go home" , "ready for hourglass to run out" #Oregonstandoff
Mad John ?@John_de_Vashon Retweeted Wanda Moore
Yes. Let's be blunt: you have chosen to live in a sagebrush desert. Probably few worse places in US. #OregonStandoff
Dave Killen ?@killendave
"If it goes back to anybody it needs to go back to the Burns Paiute tribe" #Oregonstandoff
Published on Jan 12, 2016 by a militant sympathizer.
We are witnessing a "Mini civil war" in Burns Oregon. This meeting was stacked with residents who embrace having the Federal Government in their backyard. Where was the other side is my question?? Pete Santilli was a bit of a loose cannon and was removed (railroaded) apparently using zero tolerance of dissent as their justification, a typical tactic used by the "Progressive Communists" and "Statists" in control of local Governments.
trillion
(1,859 posts)Earth_First
(14,910 posts)...simply watching it all unfold.
Remarkable.
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)Uneven enforcement of the law could become a new rallying cry. Though, to be fair, if they eventually charge the crap out of these people, that might not be much of an issue.
These people might become the poster children for "What were they thinking?".
But on the third hand, we start getting into a grey area. It's like the case of a cop trailing a car and eventually handing out dozens of tickets for the many violations that were witnessed over the course of an hour. IIRC the courts take a dim view of that.
As I stated in another thread; Imo, a DOJ representative should issue a statement of the penalties involved with these kinds of offenses. Better yet, let a journalist ask about them, then answer.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Last edited Mon Jan 18, 2016, 10:18 AM - Edit history (2)
Updated January 11, 2016
Grievances of outside protesters dont seem to fit Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, where local Oregon ranchers and federal managers spent years working out their differences and arriving at a collaborative adaptive management plan.
By Hal Bernton
Seattle Times staff reporter
DIAMOND, Ore. On a winter day of steel-gray skies, some 450 head of cattle found welcome forage in a flat, boggy expanse of lowland acreage. There, they grazed on a buffet of blue joint, creeping wild rye and other grasses that were cut and piled in the fall and now help them survive during these lean winter months.
This field is part of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, which has a headquarters now occupied by armed anti-government protesters.
Over the past week, as the protesters raised a yellow Dont Tread on Me Flag, they have portrayed the refuge as emblematic of federal tyranny in the rural West, and demanded the land be placed under local control.
For others, this remote refuge has become a very different sort of symbol, one that shows how federal agencies can reach out to different groups with different agendas tribes, environmentalists and ranchers and find common ground on how to manage the nations public lands.
..........
nwNewsNetwork ?@nwNewsNetwork 24 minutes ago
Get the latest from the #OregonStandoff, including a cut-down fence and unworried neighbors http://bit.ly/1PIqeQM
Garry birch ?@BirchGarry 29 minutes ago
#Oregonstandoff #OregonUnderAttack #BundyCowliphate how long do we put with ASSHATS WITH GUNs
Garry birch ?@BirchGarry 35m35 minutes ago
#Oregonstandoff #BundyCowliphate call it what is
Cabe Silverhame ?@cabeaux
This is why most WANT federally-protected lands. Ultimately, ranching is unsustainable. #deadenders.#Oregonstandoff
greatlaurel
(2,004 posts)Thanks for the information.
wordpix
(18,652 posts)Can't say I'll be sorry
harun
(11,348 posts)one can imagine what would happen if Native Americans did this instead of armed white dudes with lawyer money.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Steve Russell 1/11/16
When I write about Indian issues for a non-Indian audience, the effort always requires a history lesson....
The colonists, too, have historical pathways to get where they are today. Unlike Indians, they take pride in being ahistorical and always seem to think theyve just invented some wheel that, to a historian, shows a lot of wear and tear. The Tea Party, for example, got its seed money from the same folks who seeded the John Birch Society, and so its no great surprise that the politics of the two organizations are similar.
As I write, an armed mob of patriots has occupied a bird sanctuary that occupies Northern Paiute land in Oregon. The Paiutes have no objection to a bird sanctuary, but the occupiers do. .....
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Dave Killen Verified account ?@killendave 1 minute ago
They're cleaning up garage. Lots of talk about rat feces & how gov't has let that get out of control #oregonstandoff
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Last edited Tue Jan 12, 2016, 03:01 PM - Edit history (1)
Oregon judge plans to bill Ammon Bundy up to $70,000 a day for security costs to countyBundy said the militants had rifled through files at the occupied building looking for evidence of wrongdoing, but he insisted they had not accessed computers although public radio reporters witnessed them doing that.
WATCH: Teen chokes up at town meeting asking Bundy to leave, says I shouldnt have to be scared in my own hometown
Some of the Fish and Wildlife employees have been relocated from their homes out of an abundance of caution in case their personal information, including home addresses, had been accessed by the militants. .................
Jeffrey White ?@_lovearewe_
The #USA BOUGHT Malheur National Refuge in 1935.
#YallQaeda #OregonStandOff...WE OWN IT.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malheur_National_Wildlife_Refuge
Wilderness Watch ?@WildernessWatch
In the #OregonStandoff, science is a hostage as #PublicLands employees face treats: http://bit.ly/1PUsnc6 #p2
Mike Walker ?@New_Narrative
Petition to arrest Ammon Bundy, #OregonStandOff occupiers gets close to 100,000 signatures:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov//petition/arrest-ammon-bundy-and-armed-occupiers-malheur-wildlife-refuge "
Ryan Lowery ?@ryanmlowery
How the media was tricked by an Ammon Bundy parody Twitter account #journo #journos #Oregonstandoff http://wapo.st/1PU4LEK?tid=ss_tw
Guerrilla Democrats ?@GuerrillaDems
White Privilege and the Myth of the West http://buff.ly/1JH1NUC
#bundymilitia #OregonUnderAttack #Oregonstandoff
Dave Blanchard Verified account ?@blanchardd 26 minutes ago
While removing USFWS fence, #Oregonstandoff-ers say "God bless America" & "For the Constitution." @Oregonian vid: http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/01/oregon_standoff_bundy_militant.html?ath=b1b1a3f9fd99550c6c122e6300d75170#cmpid=nsltr_stryheadline
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Willamette Week ?@wweek Jan 11
How do you stay friendly with the neighbors, even if they are Trump supporters?
http://www.wweek.com/2016/01/06/dr-know-stop-
The Bundy brothers came to Oregon saying theyd been led by Godand were soon followed to Harney County by a pack of local and national media.
.... Federal prosecutors built their case around three deer hunters, who testified that the Hammonds' hunting party shot into a group of seven or eight small bucks on federal land, constituting illegal poaching. "I saw at least four bucks get hit by bullets," testified hunting guide Gordon Choate. "I saw one with a leg flopping, running. And basically the herd of bucks just exploded like a flock of quail."
Prosecutors argued that by starting the fire, the Hammonds were able to destroy evidence of the deer slaughter. ..../
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L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)[center]Jacqueline Keeler ?@jfkeeler 6 minutes ago
#OregonStandoff Paiute tribe asks for prayers--they're harassed on the streets by white men w/guns. http://ictmn.com/4v8m @IndianCountry
Jacqueline Keeler
1/12/16
Yet more armed, white militants, members of the Pacific Patriots Network arrived in Burns, Oregon this weekend. They claimed to be there to prevent another Ruby Ridge or Waco by providing a buffer between Ammon Bundy, son of Nevada rancher who drove BLM officers off his land with guns in 2014, and law enforcement.
Carrying guns, they presented a resolution to the FBI and local law enforcement calling for the return of land to the people of Harney Countyand surprisingly, recommended co-management with the Burns Paiute Tribe.
Burns Paiute tribal chairperson Charlotte Roderique has stated to the media her irritation with Bundy and his militia supporters goal of giving back the land to ranchers. Its been validated weve been here since 15,000 years ago, she told ICTMN. These people are ignorant of the history and that they dont think about the statements they are making. They are misinformed.
The Northern Paiutes signed a treaty with the U.S. Government in 1868 that was not ratified and the land, including that of the Malheur Wildlife Refuge remains unceded tribal territory. ....
Roderique noted that Secretary Jewell assured us that the federal authorities would take care of our sacred sites out there. ....
Dave Killen ?@killendave 1 minute ago
Man says he's speaking for Oath Keepers, they're coming to Burns to join pacific patriots network #Oregonstandoff
Dave Killen ?@killendave 9 minutes ago
Finicum says "we're doing things," later will show us some buildings they're "working on" #Oregonstandoff
Not sure which Hollywood director is in charge of cinematography, props, costumes, horses, and feed. but good work.
Dave Killen ?@killendave 22 minutes ago
Back at it... 11am presser soon. We have an incongruous Lincoln continental sighting as well #Oregonstandoff
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)34 PHOTOS
Luke Hammill | The Oregonian/OregonLive January 12, 2016 at 12:06 PM
... armed militants occupying the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge announced Tuesday morning that they will drive into Burns at the end of the week to hold a community meeting and inform residents when they will leave.
The meeting will take place at 7 p.m. Friday evening, said Robert "LaVoy" Finicum. The location has yet to be determined.
"I think there should be a dialogue," said Finicum, a sidearm on his hip. ....
... The group is working on securing a location in Burns ....
GOOD LUCK WITH THAT!
Gargoyle ?@Patztense 3 minutes ago
@msbellows 1 week before #Oregonstandoff many militants staged in Seattle, vowing to free compatriot "by any means."
Shane Roth ?@apexnerd 21 minutes ago
Solid news on #Oregonstandoff from oregonlive http://s.oregonlive.com/CDjqSif
DJ Rubiconski ?@Rubiconski 57 minutes ago #Oregonstandoff
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Just in case the authorities hadn't yet added sedition to the charges the #ArmedTrolls have created a kangaroo court and convicted their political enemies of crimes. Maybe they are preparing for their invasion of Burns on Friday, trying to warm up the community by promising to hang their leaders and elected officials.
If anyone in Burns agrees to rent or provide a facility to these clowns, I will be amazed. [center]
SphynxCatsRule ?@SphynxCatsRule
#Oregonstandoff what if no one in the community shows up for the idiots' meeting Friday night? Wouldn't that be hilarious.[/center]
The #Oregonstandoff is face of #publiclands takeover attempts. Say 'No!' @nwf @NMWildlife http://bit.ly/1UCApYq
Gardner compared the American West to the original 13 colonies.
That was the problem they were facing, that they had no authority to codify into law practices that were important to their life, Gardner said. And when laws were passed by England, they were adverse to the local community, in that they caused more resource problems than they solved.
So, they threw off the laws preventing invading Ohio and then advanced their genocide to exterminate the people inhabiting the continent while claiming the "Free Land." This is their brand of freedom! [center]
web_rant ?@web_rant 24 minutes ago
Now comes kangaroo court portion of #Oregonstandoff. What would a #YeeHawd be without some form of "sharia" imposed.
DeMOMcrat ?@tbbucsbabe 30 minutes ago
Bundy Militia Loses It Over Bag Of D**ks (VIDEO) 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2016/01/12/bundy-militia-loses-it-over-bag-of-dks-video/
Dave Killen Verified account ?@killendave 9 minutes ago
FedEx delivery was just made to one of the militants occupying the #MalheurNationalWildlifeRefuge #oregonstandoff
Dave Killen ?@killendave 2 hours ago
Looks like the sign is back to its original state today #oregonstandoff
? ?@LULZ_subzero99 5 minutes ago
#Oregonstandoff
It's starts out with armed take over of parks and before you know it...
No music, no dancing, no women's rights.
#USISIS
Jeffrey White ?@_lovearewe_ 6 minutes ago
Consider Dialogue, Cooperation, Sharing, Compromise, Collaboration & Long-Term Profits & #Happiness
#OregonStandOff
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Simone Del Rosario ?@SimoneReports
Watch my exclusive interview with Ammon Bundy amidst #OregonStandoff on @RT_America @ 8pm ET http://bit.ly/1QZNvNu
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Oregonian/OregonLive By Betsy Hammond | The Oregonian/OregonLive January 12, 2016 at 5:55 PM
A self-proclaimed "U.S. Superior Court judge" who has been involved in past property rights protests in other states arrived Tuesday in Burns with plans to convene an extra-legal "citizens grand jury" that he said will review evidence that public officials may have committed crimes.
Bruce Doucette, a 54-year-old owner of a computer design and repair shop in suburban Denver, told The Oregonian/OregonLive, that he made the trip at the request of Harney County residents. He said he met with the armed occupiers of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge to hear their evidence, which he called "significant," that government officials have committed crimes.
But he declined to say which officials or which crimes they discussed and said a privately appointed "grand jury" of Harney County residents, not he as a self-appointed judge, would decide whether to charge anyone with a crime.
"The grand jury will convene in private and make its decisions in private," Doucette said. "The role of a superior court judge is not very glorified. All we do is write up" what the local citizens decide, he said. .....
Hundreds of people who have used similar sovereign citizen arguments to justify failing to pay federal income taxes, getting drivers licenses or other government requirements have never prevailed in any court.
HGTomato ?@HGTomato
That fake judge has done stuff like that before. Here's a story by @dpmcghee from Nov.
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_29086987/operation-patriot-rally-founder-made-promises-raised-concerns #Oregonstandoff #uniteblue
JJ MacNab ?@jjmacnab
"Judge" Curry is interesting bec he was the sovereign citizen guru at Bundy Ranch who put the LV sheriff, NV governors, and others on trial.
JJ MacNab ?@jjmacnab
"We have God on our side, and we're going to kick the crap out of Lucifer." -- Pete Santilli on the upcoming common law trial.
Margaret Bryant ?@twynklebat
#exitstrategy #yallqaeda #snacktime #snacks #Oregonstandoff
BundysBeard ?@BundysBeard
Breaking: "Rodeo Clowns for Militias" drop support for Bundy Clan #Oregonstandoff #aslongasittakesoregon
by John Sepulvado and Amanda Peacher OPB Jan. 12, 2016 5:39 p.m.
Editors note: This story contains offensive language.
Among the militant members who have accessed government computers at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, one is an Islamic State sympathizer and Adolph Hitler acolyte.
While militant leader Ammon Bundy has repeatedly denied government computers were being used by militants, OPB has again confirmed that Department of Interior computers at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge are being accessed, and in this instance, being used to make a website for the occupation.
One of the militants occupying the refuge posted video of himself using the computer. ....
The latest news and updates about the armed occupation at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in Harney County, Oregon.
People restoring the federal signage. Bye, bye blue tarp.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)[center]
13 Jan 2016 at 08:45 ET
Planning for a cross-country march to restore America which is related to the Oregon nature preserve standoff appears to have hit a snag when one of its organizers shot the other co-founder Monday afternoon during a drunken argument over a gun.
Sheriffs deputies in Grayson County, Texas, have not released details about the fatal shooting, but social media posts by right-wing patriots associated with militants occupying an Oregon nature preserve identified the victim and shooter as the organizers of the Paul Revere 2016 Final March To Restore America. ........
Residents report harassment: What you need to know about the #OregonStandoff. http://bit.ly/1SOnPqA
Oregon standoff: [bWhat you need to know Wednesday morning]
.... As the days progress, questions from frustrated Harney County residents and other observers grow: Why doesn't law enforcement take some action? Why not contain the occupiers? Why not block roads leading to and from the refuge? Why not shut down the power to the refuge or keep the media from giving them a national platform? Reporter Maxine Bernstein explains the strategy. ....
.... Harney County residents told the armed outsiders to go home as they expressed fears about their personal safety. At a community meeting, they also acknowledged deep rifts within the community, brought to the surface by the standoff at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. ....
Comments: .... normagene: "Citizen's grand jury to review evidence against public officials". These people have gone from being scary to being total nitwits. This will end up with them being laughed out of the state. They are an embarrassment to real tough guys the world over.
Les Zaitz @LesZaitz * Thomas Boyd @thomasboyd * Fedor Zarkhin @FedorZarkhin * Hashtag: #OregonStandoff *
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)By Anna King
.... Burns residents packed in hip to hip. Anger, frustration and sadness spilled out from shaky voices. A 15-year-old Burns girl cried she was afraid in school. But two Burns residents just a few seats apart had very different views on what should happen next.
John McLean said he sides with the occupiers. He said on Facebook and around town thats tough on some of his friendships and causes a little friction in there.
Verna Pettyjohn disagreed. We have children, grandchildren up in here and what is happening is not alright, she said.
Several residents publicly asked their neighbors to put their guns away when in town. Others called for kindness with each other. ...... LISTEN ...
Change4good ?@Change4good1 10 minutes ago
Drunk #patriot" shoots another "patriot" over gun heading to #Oregonstandoff Need for gun control
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/01/anti-obama-march-organizer-fatally-shoots-right-wing-militant-buddy-in-drunken-dispute-over-gun/
bill tng ?@vanguy79
Have an idea. If #Oregonstandoff are staying put, how abt letting homeless people stay in Oregon militia houses 😉
by Laurel Raymond & Jenny Rowland -- Guest Contributor Jan 12, 2016 5:08 pm
Local and federal government facilities have had to be closed, keeping public employees unable to complete their work. Harney County, which houses the preserve, schools were closed last week, adding teachers to the list of employees on paid leave and preventing students from learning. Police and security has been brought in to protect the townspeople from the armed militiamen who have threatened law enforcement and other county officials. The occupied reserve, a valuable tourist attraction for the area, is closed to recreators. All of those costs and losses add up.
Cost to the County: $70,000 Per Day
Harney County Judge Steve Grasty told outraged community members that hed send the Bundys a bill for what theyd cost the county which he estimates to be $60,000 to $70,000 a day for the closed schools and government offices and the drastic ramp-up in security. ....
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(51,129 posts)Great new hashtag #Bundyland reflects the fantasyland nature of the occupantion.
By WW Staff Y JOHN SEPULVADO @JohnLGC
This story was reported in collaboration between WW and Oregon Public Broadcasting.
.... WW and Oregon Public Broadcasting sent this reporterwho covered the Bundy family for KNPR radio in Las Vegas during their previous standoffs with the federal government in Nevadato get inside the occupation.
For nearly seven hours last week, we were granted a rare level of access. The militant leaders allowed us past the media staging area to roam, without escorts, through the compoundincluding in buildings the Bundys had kept off-limits to most other press.
But a spot in the prayer circle with Bundy? No dice. ....
Annaliese Hettinger ?@A_Hettinger 2 minutes ago
Excellent piece on #OregonStandoff + more by @nijhuism. Indeed, Science is a hostage here. http://www.lastwordonnothing.com/2016/01/12/in-the-oregon-standoff-science-is-a-hostage/ @TheLWON
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)By Luke Hammill | The Oregonian/OregonLive January 13, 2016 at 8:35 PM
BURNS Tim Puckett, the rancher whose cattle graze private rangeland adjoining the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, said he didn't give Ammon Bundy and his band of armed militants permission to enter the ranch Monday afternoon and destroy a publicly owned fence.
"I am very upset," Puckett told The Oregonian/OregonLive.
His ranch hands have already repaired the fence.
"They're not coming onto my place no more," he said of the militants. "If they do, I'm gonna have to do something about it. I don't want them going across my ground."
Puckett said he has never spoken to Bundy ............
The Daily Bucket--Obnoxious Invasive Species in The Malheur Wildlife Refuge Form an Ungodly Alliance
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)This is a new development in Burns, where this event was going on for weeks before the refuge takeover, and those participants in the conspiracy to form the militia are now facing their roles in the run up to the takeover within their own community. The honorable county Judge Steve Grasty told off the fire chief in no uncertain terms for his role in forming the Harney County Committee of Safety overseeing the militia, and the fire chief told #Bundyland this evening that he took a piece of paper, wrote the date on it and "I resign" and signed it. And off he went, to join the circus.
By Hillary Lake, KATU News and KATU.com Staff Wednesday, January 13th 2016
The Harney County fire chief resigned Wednesday because he says he no longer trusts the local government.
Chris Briels stood next Ammon Bundy, the leader of an armed group that has taken over the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in Burns, and announced he had turned in his resignation to county Judge Steve Grasty.
.... Briels is a member of the Community Committee for Public Safety, which is a local group that's expressed interest in taking over for the Bundy protesters to work to reclaim local rancher's land rights when and if they leave. .....
So, when did the Harney County Committee for Safety become the "Community Committee for Public Safety" as KATU calls it?
And the paranoids howl false flag. There is no way a bunch of paranoid idiots can ever form a militia or a successful political force, just ask John Birch. LOL [center]
Team Leader ?@AlabamaRangers 18 minutes ago
#FalseFlag Alert: Raw video.
AJ+ Verified account @ajplus
It was never their land to begin with.
Here's one indigenous person's view of the armed occupation in Oregon: VIDEO on Twitter
I'm Midori..or Ginny ?@justaskkarend 16 minutes ago
Members of armed group occupying refuge meet with Grant County sheriff in John Day
http://www.bluemountaineagle.com/Local_News/20160113/members-of-armed-group-occupying-refuge-meet-with-grant-county-sheriff-in-john-day#.VpczepiaGzg.twitter #Oregonstandoff
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)[center]As predicted immediately after the #BundyCult announced their idea:
By Elliot Njus | The Oregonian/OregonLive January 13, 2016
Harney County has told an Ammon Bundy-affiliated group of locals that it can't hold a planned community meeting at the county-owned fairgrounds.
The location for the meeting has become a wedge between the Harney County Committee of Safety and the county government, once loosely allied in their desire for Bundy to leave town.
The self-appointed committee planned to host Bundy and Montana militia leader Ryan Payne on Friday to outline the militants' exit plan. They've said the 7 p.m. meeting will go on, with or without a meeting space furnished by the county or another community group.
"We have a longstanding practice of allowing community groups to use county facilities," said Harney County commissioner Steven Grasty. "But we unfortunately now find ourselves in a place where the county must deny those facilities to any group that is supportive of, associated with, or on the behalf of the militants at the refuge." ............
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Shane Roth ?@apexnerd
@JohnLGC the Denver "Judge" is skeptical that the Earth is round http://bit.ly/1RmdeDV #Oregonstandoff
Kristin Momoa ?@SpecialK_808
FBI Agents are SUPPOSED TO BE UNDERCOVER you dumb fucks! Don't you assholes watch TV?? 😖 #Oregonstandoff #OregonUnderAttack #bundymilitia
Ppl calling Undercover FBI "Provocateurs"? They're undercover FBI. That's what the FBI does. DUH! #OregonUnderAttack #Oregonstandoff #GTFO
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rebels mom @anonhumanperson
How to Plan a Revolution in 8 Easy Steps #Oregonstandoff #OregonUnderAttack @Ammon_Bundy
Face it, Oregon building takeover is terrorism, Juliette Kayyem, CNN National Security Analyst
Gloria Flora Jan. 13, 2016
Gloria Flora is the Executive Director of Sustainable Obtainable Solutions, an organization ensuring the sustainability of public lands.
Bringing the hammer down on the Bundys won't fix the much bigger problems our lands face
Once again, a provocative armed display of dissatisfaction with a federal land management agency is unfoldingthis time, at a remote wildlife refuge in southern Oregon. Its been happening since 1848, when Mexico ceded the southwest quadrant of the United States after losing the Mexican-American War. Early settlers were primarily Mormons and Confederate Civil War refugees, both fiercely anti-federal government. Those attitudes havent changed much.
In the late 1990s, when I served as Forest Supervisor of the Humboldt-Toiyabe National Forest in Nevada and eastern California, the simmering anti-federal government animosities boiled over dangerously multiple times but failed to garner much notice. Now, were seeing a similar boil-over in Oregon. The Nevada-based protestors, despite confusion over history and the exact purpose of their one-sided stand-off, are demanding privatization, to give the land back to the people. It sounds compelling, but its invented history.
The federal government created the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, the focus of this standoff, by usurping the Native American Pauite Nations homeland, then, years later, aggregating their abandoned reservation and a used-up cattle ranch bought at a premium during the Depression.
.......... Our finite public resources are under siege by natural, economic and global forces bigger than Bundys boys. That demands the best stewardship we can mustercollectively.
JeloRocSki ?@JeloRoc
Who would've thought that privileged people wouldn't know how to properly protest? #bundymilitia
JTB ?@HighDesert99 1h1 hour ago
#AmmonBundy #bundymilitia #OregonMilita Is American's laughingstock. Will you NOW stop terrorizing the People of Harney? #OregonUnderAttack
Donna J ?@JeedBe
Back to 1989-Controversial BLM Grazing Program:RANCHERS Turn a Profit by Subletting US Land
http://ln.is/articles.latimes.com/qNjrM #BundyMilitia #Hammonds
Leila @oranaise
Vocabulary lesson of the day: #militia: #OregonUnderAttack
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Wanda Moore ?@WandaKTVZ 25 minutes ago
Bundy calls Harney CO judge Grasy "a dictator" for not allowing #bundymilitia to hold community meeting at county-owned fairgrounds
utliberal ?@utliberal
@AlwaysThinkHow @ToConservatives There isn't a jail big enough for all the people who hold the Bundy militia in contempt.#OregonUnderAttack
Monica ♡ ?@Frodosynthesiss
Pray for the Oregonians. #Oregonstandoff #OregonUnderAttack
That Night I Spent with Ammon Bundys Armed Militia
Inside a strange, sad media circus.
by Marnie Hanel
It was just past midnight when I noticed the five magazines of ammunition. Near a window, there was a rifle and a scope. Beside me were two members of Ammon Bundys armed militiathe one that had recently made national news for taking over a federal wildlife sanctuary and a smattering of buildings contained therein. All around us was complete and utter blackness. We were standing atop a watchtower, in 18-degree weather, eight rickety stories above the snow, in the middle of a remote bird sanctuary in Eastern Oregon, 30 miles from the nearest town, which was 130 miles from the next nearest town.
Thus far, it had been a pretty strange night. After dusk, I had arrived at the front gate of Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, outside Burns, Oregon. I am admittedly new to militia life, but I was surprised by what I encountered. A number of men were huddled around a campfire, gossiping and passing the time. Two hailed from Idaho and a third, an old-timer in a cowboy hat roughly the width of my shoulders, had driven in from Hermiston, Oregon, with his second-favorite horse trailer. (Only take shit we can lose, his wife insisted.) They were talking about the Three Percenters, a rival militia in Idaho. (They never returned my phone calls, said one man. Sounds like my wife, responded the other.) I stood by Ryan Payne, 32, the response coordinator of the militia. ........
Thank you, Oregon militiamen: The longer you stay, the more ridiculous you and the conservative movement look
The Oregon militia is a gift to liberals, because every day they stay, the more absurd and embarrassing they become
Amanda Marcotte Thursday, Jan 14, 2016 05:00 AM PST
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Pat Bagley @Patbagley
...and I wasn't even able to get to the GOP presidential candidates.
#AmmonBundy #Religion
Bill Morlin January 13, 2016
Militia and antigovernment extremists illegally occupying a federal wildlife refuge in Oregon are now pledging to form a citizens grand jury to indict and bring criminal charges against public officials and judges the occupiers accuse of committing crimes and violating the Constitution.
With such indictments, the extremists doctrine would justify their attempts to make arrests, get judgments or file liens against the targeted public officials. ......
Unlike the Oregon standoff where there is little or no law enforcement presence, the FBI rotated its regional SWAT teams into Jordan, Mont., controlling the perimeter and not allowing anyone in or out. Without a shot fired, the Freeman siege ended after 81 days the longest FBI standoff in U.S. history. Those involved were all subsequently convicted and sentenced to lengthy prison terms. ...........
R.E.A.L Human Rights ?@realhumanrights 6 hours ago
#OregonUnderAttack #SovereignCitizen #BundyTerrorists call for "common law grand jury" to threaten Judge http://cnn.it/230tMVM
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)January 14th, 2016 Andrew Bradford
A man in California who calls himself a supporter of and sympathizer with the militia members who have taken over an Oregon wildlife preserve was arrested Saturday and charged with building bombs and making threats against law enforcement officials.
Kern County deputies received a tip that Tood Sloan had been making online threats against local and federal law enforcement officers. Upon serving a search warrant at Sloans house, police found improvised and commercial explosives and booby traps throughout the residence.
Sloan was immediately arrested and charged with three counts of possession of a destructive device or explosive near a public place, three counts of making a destructive device without a permit, three counts of possessing a destructive device, and one count of being in possession of a firearm while on probation. He is being held on $2 million bond.
Sloan first came to the attention of law enforcement when he left bizarre comments on the website for the Daily Independent newspaper, one of which read:
I dont pay tax revalation (sic).
On Facebook, Sloan also made rambling postings such as this:
Bundy Ranch? We the People Lost Jorden Hot Spring. Evil Goverment. ....
.... GOD Made Many Clues In the Bible, he posted shortly before his arrest. Find What God Left For You. Treasure Hunting The Bible. Gold Every Where. .....
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Shane Roth ?@apexnerd 5 minutes ago
A lack of police brutality is a good thing #Oregonstandoff
Ann ?@Ann7837 20 minutes ago
Inside the Bundy Gang refuge, a photo diary
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/1/14/1469762/-Inside-the-Refuge-with-the-Occupiers-A-Photo-Dairy
#uniteblue #OregonUnderAttack #OregonStandoff
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)By Rob Davis | The Oregonian/OregonLive January 13, 2016
What's unfolding in Harney County isn't Oregon's first go-round with camouflaged, heavily armed militants challenging the federal government.
Another event just nine months ago drew far less attention. But those who watched it closely say it emboldened and further galvanized the militant movement a year after the 2014 Cliven Bundy ranch standoff in Nevada.
Oregon's first serious encounter happened last April. It played out in rural Josephine County in southwestern Oregon, in a mountainous stretch of timber country along the Rogue River.
Many of the same players have shown up at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. Two are among the compound's occupiers.
The Sugar Pine Mine dispute started when two gold miners, Rick Barclay and George Backes, received a non-compliance letter from the Bureau of Land Management that disputed their mining rights. ............
BundysBeard ?@BundysBeard
Pete Santilli is THE best clown show online #Oregonstandoff #bundymilitia #fashionpolice #doofus
By The Oregonian/OregonLive January 15, 2016 at 5:01 AM
As we enter Day 14 of the standoff at Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, here are the latest developments:
● The militants say they will meet with the community on Friday and announce a departure plan. Whether that will be a restatement of their demands or something new remains to be seen.
● As the armed occupation of a Harney County wildlife refuge drags into its 13th day, protesters are sending mixed signals about their plans. .........
Chris Zinda ?@chris_zinda
@pqpolitics Am working on a piece regarding influence of W. Cleon Skousen and family to UTAH political class & role #Oregonstandoff . #utpol
Marlys Appleton ?@marlysal 53 minutes ago
Constitutional Smoke & Mirrors: #Illegal #Occupation of #Malheur #Wildlife Refuge #governance #OregonStandoff -
http://nativenewsonline.net/currents/23577/
Statesman Journal Verified account @Salem_Statesman
4,000 artifacts stored at Oregon refuge held by armed group http://stjr.nl/1Qb1geQ
Cornelia ?@PaladinCornelia 5 minutes ago
PRETEND ranchers occupying Malheur now have a PRETEND judge to preside over a PRETEND court.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)By cany Friday Jan 15, 2016
Heartbreaking.
Apparently, the road was built between the kitchen and some other buildings farther away. Not only is this a wildlife refuge, those familiar with the property have indicated there are sensitive archaeological sites, including both Native American burial AND reburial sites, on the lands.
I do, however, remain of the opinion that we must wait these folks out. I do not agree that food and other supplies, mail etc. should enter. But I believe strongly that a heavy hand will cause all kinds of other problems. .........
Fox News ?@FoxNews 2 hours ago
Growing number of police chiefs, sheriffs join call to arms: http://fxn.ws/1ZAKeNp by @CDerespina
Oregon State Sheriffs' Assoc. - 01/14/16 9:45 AM
Many OSSA member agencies -- along with many city police departments and the Oregon State Police -- have sent personnel to help Sheriff Ward patrol the community and maintain public safety during this critical time.
We continue to be asked when the standoff at the Malheur Wildlife Refuge will end, and which agency will make that decision. We'd like to clarify the jurisdictional situation.
The FBI is in charge of making and implementing plans to end the siege. The FBI has jurisdiction over the armed takeover of the federal buildings in the refuge, as well as any crimes committed therein. Questions about the standoff should addressed by the FBI, which continues to work diligently towards a peaceful solution.
Meanwhile, Sheriff Ward and other local law enforcement agencies are directly addressing militia activities outside the wildlife refuge -- including the well-chronicled harassment and intimidation of residents, federal employees and law enforcement by militia members and associates.
OSSA stands proud in saying that Sheriff Ward has done a commendable job fulfilling his oath as Sheriff and defending his community. Sheriff Ward has made every effort to peacefully defuse the situation and return normalcy to the residents he serves. He has worked tirelessly with his fellow law enforcement partners to develop strategies to protect and serve Harney County while the FBI continues its investigation.
OSSA and its law enforcement partners will continue to offer support to Sheriff Ward and his team until this situation is resolved. We couldn't be prouder of the work he has done to serve Harney County and Oregon.
Sheriff Brian Wolfe
Malheur County Sheriff, OSSA President
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Last edited Mon Jan 18, 2016, 10:21 AM - Edit history (1)
An individual is in custody in connection with stolen Malheur National Wildlife Refuge vehicles.
Shortly after noon on Friday, January 15, 2016, Oregon State Police arrested Kenneth Medenbach, 62, of Crescent, Oregon, at the Safeway in Burns, Oregon. He was arrested on probable cause for unauthorized use of a motor vehicle.
Law enforcement officers recovered two vehicles stolen from the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (USFWS) had previously reported the vehicles stolen to the Harney County Sheriff's Office.
OSP troopers and deputies from several county Sheriff's offices responded to the scene.
"The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service is grateful for the quick actions from law enforcement," said USFWS spokesperson Megan Nagel. "We will continue to work with law enforcement to recover vehicles bought and paid for by the American people to care for their national wildlife refuge."
Twitter: @HarneyCoSheriff Facebook: HarneyCoSheriff
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Bend rally for public lands/#malheur swells to over 200, takes to street. #RefugeRally #OregonUnderAttack
Great Old Broads/Grannies Against Bullies #RefugeRally sing-along. What else is there to say?
Great old Broads for Wilderness at #refugerally: "Go home bullies. Public lands belong to everyone."
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Birders protest in Bend against refuge takeover #OregonStandoff http://bit.ly/1lfPP8N
By Laura Gunderson | The Oregonian/OregonLive January 15, 2016
Holding signs that read "Birders against bullies," protesters took to the street in Bend, a two-hour drive from where a group of occupiers have held the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge for two weeks.
Refuge supporters also have taken to Twitter -- #RefugeRally and #SupportMalheur -- and Facebook, where they are calling on more arrests to be made and posting pictures they have taken over the years at the refuge.
One birder, Cody Martz, showed up at the refuge Friday to speak to reporters and offer a counterpoint to the armed occupants ....
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BREAKING : Oregon Protesters find HIDDEN "Goverment" Surveillance Cameras[center]NetRange: 172.16.0.0 - 172.31.255.255
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cincy-kid @cincykids
Hate to tell #bundymilitia but cameras they ripped out belong to Pacific Energy. Used to remotely monitor transformer stations![center]
Ethan Walker ?@HVAC_Plumbing_ 6 minutes ago
KATUNews: Armed occupiers unplug suspected surveillance cameras #oregonstandoff #LiveOnK2 http://k2ne.ws/1OVJTOm
Trump campaign member praises Oregon wildlife refuge occupation
Utah lawmaker got a hefty pay raise for waging lands fight, tax record shows
JJ MacNab @jjmacnab
These clowns are willing to die for a cause. These buffoons are willing to kill for it. Some are willing to use their own as human shields.
Annyah L Hasler ?@anyalhas
First Arrest Made In #OregonStandoff http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/uncucumbered/first_arrest_made_in_oregon_standoff
Laura Muth ?@LauraMuth1 32 minutes ago
interesting read to consider in light of #Oregonstandoff "Growing Up With White Paranoia: Persecution vs. Privilege" http://www.psmag.com/politics-and-law/white-paranoia-persecution-and-privilege
BlueGoose ?@BlueGoose2016
#Oregonstandoff Finicum is part of the Colorado City, Az FLDS polygamist bunch which explains a lot!
The Bulletin ?@thebulletin 2 hours ago
Protesters call for end to Malheur occupation. #inBend #Oregonstandoff http://j.mp/205IBEa
EarthShare Oregon ?@EarthShareOR 43 minutes ago
Join Tuesday's statewide #RefugeRally for #Malheur w/ @PortlandAudubon & more http://bit.ly/1U0Gy0D
Logical Politics @Demipolitics
Idiot. #OregonUnderAttack #YallQaeda
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Tribal council designates refuge as 'traditional cultural property'
January 15, 2016 Pat Dooris/KGW.COM
The Burns Paiute Tribe on Friday asked the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service to protect its important cultural resources at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, and to prosecute occupiers for any damage or destruction they cause.
In a letter to U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service Regional Director Robyn Thorson, Tribal Chairperson Charlotte Rodrique asked for greater protection for cultural resources at the refuge, specifically asking for an inventory of archeological resources at the refuge headquarters, and for criminal prosecution for violators of the Archeological Resources Protection Act.
Rodrique expressed grave concern over news reports that armed militia have access to important cultural resources at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge.
Armed protestors dont belong here, Rodrique said in a news release. They continue to desecrate one of our most important sacred sites, she continued. "They should be held accountable..........
Anti-occupation environmentalists here at #MalheurWildlifeRefuge today. #Oregonstandoff
Shane Roth ?@apexnerd 4 minutes ago
Now private citizens with opposing viewpoints are the enemy, apparently #Oregonstandoff
Conrad Wilson Verified account ?@conradjwilson 15 minutes ago
Kierán Suckling, Executive Director, of the Center for Biological Diversity being shouted down #Oregonstandoff
Shane Roth ?@apexnerd
Ad hominem attacks r the 1st club out of Santilli's bag against dissent #Oregonstandoff
Shane Roth@apexnerd
Santilli's 1st amendment: I have the right to drown you out and interrupt you if you hurt my feelings #Oregonstandoff
John Sepulvado - news @opb ?@JohnLGC 12 minutes ago
watching @PTSantilli yell in a bullhorn at peaceful counter protesters, calling them "little bitches" & saying he's "sick of their shit"
1/3 at this point it seems very clear to me that @PTSantilli is the spokesperson for the #bundymilitia
2/3 watching @conradjwilson doing a great job staying pro as @PTSantilli uses a bullhorn to drown out counter-protestors #bundymilita
watching @PTSantilli say they don't protest with intimidation after he screamed obscenities at a peaceful protestor thru a bullhorn.
in a real combat sitch anyone wearing camo with a reflective "PRESS" on the back would be shot. can't comprehend.
#OregonStandoff
Kristin Momoa ?@SpecialK_808 2 minutes ago
Pete Santilli is fucking degenerate #Oregonstandoff #OregonUnderAttack #bundymilita #burnsoregon
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ChristineKaratnytsky ?@ckaratnytsky 7 minutes ago
Tweeting #Malheur #oregonstandoff press conference news : @transform6789
Dan Barton ?@oreothlypis Jan 12 9 minutes ago Retweeted John Sepulvado
At the #oregonstandoff, things seem to have escalated a bit
I just published What Harney County and the Malheur occupation mean (to me)
https://medium.com/@croft.barton/what-harney-county-and-the-malheur-occupation-mean-to-me-67c09ceaa456#.6ym2ev2w6
#supportmalheur
Jamie York ?@mediagonebad 10 minutes ago
Once #Oregonstandoff is over, the @Ammon_Bundy terrorists will never get out of prison.
Abiyomi Kofi ?@TheAngryindian 1 minute ago
#BundyMilitia Bodyguard #FluffyUnicorn Arrested in #Arizona
http://ow.ly/X9Od3 #OregonUnderAttack #YallQueda #WhiteTerrorist
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)The armed group asked the FBI to stop 'psychological warfare'
KOIN 6 News Staff Published: January 16, 2016
A shouting match erupted as members of the Center for Biological Diversity, a nonprofit environmental group, tried to speak at a news briefing.
The centers executive director Kierán Suckling tried to speak but the activists screamed and booed him.
Were here to speak up for public land, which belongs to the public, Suckling said over the yelling. These people are trying to take the land away. ........
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Jennifer Dowling ?@JenDowlingKoin6
Members of occupying group yell at members of the Center for Biological Diversity. Won't let them speak #koin6news
Sam Levin @SamTLevin
Anti-occupation environmentalists here at #MalheurWildlifeRefuge today. #Oregonstandoff
Alexis Peterka @LexInterior
Need a reason to become a member of @OPB?
Look at the amazing work @JohnLGC, @amandapeacher, and @ameliaOPB have done on #Oregonstandoff
Kelly House Verified account @Kelly_M_House I cover the environment for @Oregonian. By night, I'm a hiker, pseudo-foodie, and kitchen spoon Motown musician.
Today at the refuge: Obscenities shouted at conservationists who came to protest the #Oregonstandoff
Back in Burns along with @markwgraves continuing @Oregonian coverage on the Malheur #Oregonstandoff. The latest:
http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/01/oregon_standoff_occupiers_remo.html#incart_maj-story-1
More from today @ #Oregonstandoff, where enviros came to protest the occupiers, who accused feds of taking 'hostages'
http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/01/oregon_standoff_occupiers_remo.html#comments
Debbie McVegan ?@mcvegan_debbie
http://kval.com/news/local/armed-occupiers-unplug-suspected-surveillance-cameras
these people don't have any more rights than any other person
#Oregonstandoff
Jose ?@JoseNotJuan
Refuge Occupiers Say Arrested Group Member 'Made Dumb Choices'
http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/refuge-occupiers-say-arrested-group-member-made-dumb-choices/#.VpsB1CD34l8.twitter
via @OPBnews #BundyMilitia #OregonStandoff
Harney County ?@HarneyCountyGov
Monday holiday means Harney County weekly community meeting will be held on Tuesday, January 19, 7 p.m. at Burns High School.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Bundy said people interested in archeology are welcome to explore the refuge, but that cattle ranchers and loggers should have priority when it comes to land use.
"Before white man came, so to speak, there was nothing to keep cattle from tromping on those things," Bundy said.
Though some countries had domesticated cattle 10,000 years ago, the animals came to the United States with European settlers.
"We also recognize that the Native Americans had the claim to the land, but they lost that claim," Bundy said. "There are things to learn from cultures of the past, but the current culture is the most important."
[center]Erasmus B. Dragon ?@flyaway47 #OregonStandoff
LaVoy Finicum made a living by keeping foster children: "They were my main source of income." What??
http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/militant-says-foster-children-were-pulled-from-his-home-lavoy-finicum-burns-oregon/ [/center]
"... over the past decade, more than 50 boys came through their ranch near Chino Valley, Arizona. The boys often landed there from mental hospitals, drug rehabs and group homes for emotionally distressed youth. ... a 2010 tax filing, Catholic Charities paid the family $115,343 to foster children in 2009 .....
JJ MacNab @jjmacnab
Remember this guy from Bundy Ranch? He's now in Burns.
Then, a few days ago, Ammon Bundy tells Russia Today that his efforts are funded by some deep pockets.
JJ MacNab ?@jjmacnab 2 hours ago
Who made the sign? Who paid for it? On what date was the order placed (before or after Jan 2nd?)
Chris Christianson ?@itwaschris 13 minutes ago
Assclown Santili want to ca$h in on #OregonStandoff bc he's being ignored
http://bit.ly/1SWyuj0 #YallQaeda #VanillaISIS #OregonUnderAttack
Center for Bio Div @CenterForBioDiv
Oregon standoff: Occupiers remove cameras, clash with conservationists http://s.oregonlive.com/WJjjX0K #OregonUnderattack
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)By Dave Strahan Jan. 17, 2016 at Medford, Oregon
I could not be more disappointed in Congressman Greg Waldens response to the armed takeover of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge by anti-government militants. He states that he understands their passion, of taking over public buildings, tearing down wildlife fences and threatening public employees. ..... Walden is missing the point here.
Our shared heritage of public land belongs to all Americans, including many of his constituents throughout rural Oregon who depend upon those lands for hunting, fishing and camping, as well as our livelihoods. .....
Rather than standing up for Oregonians and law enforcement officers, Walden has renewed his push against public lands and resources and enacted the very goals espoused by those who have taken over the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. While Congressman Walden has been outspoken about his anger concerning public lands management, he has been curiously silent about the estimated $15 million that visitors to the Malheur Wildlife Refuge provide to local economies annually. ..........
Walden is sponsoring legislation that would remove over a million acres of forests in Western Oregon from public management and place them in a timber trust to be logged for the benefit of timber corporations. Also, Walden released draft legislation to give over a quarter million acres of national forests in Southern Oregon and northern California to political allies. Handing over public lands is not stewardship, it is simply a form of political patronage. .........
Chris Zinda ?@chris_zinda
Skousen is important to the #koch, ALC, LDS ideology & #OregonUnderAttack.
Note @FranklinCenter shill's tweet.
https://twitter.com/Reagan_Girl/status/688752804366647296
Well-read Naturalist @WRNBookReview
Why are we having to beg the @FBI, @Interior, @OregonGovBrown, & all the rest to #takebackmalheur ?
Does not the law deserve to be enforced?
LaVoy Finicum: It needs to be very clear that these buildings will never, ever return to the federal government.
The Oregonian ?@Oregonian
California man believed part of #OregonStandoff crashes van on icy road. http://bit.ly/1V09ZzS
OPB: [link: http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/militant-van-cited-driving-without-license/|Militant Cited For Driving Without License After Van Overturns]
Power for the Loons: A small electric co-op considers what to do with the Loons at the Malheur Wildlife Refuge
https://desertbeacon.wordpress.com/2016/01/11/power-for-the-loons-a-small-electric-co-op-considers-what-to-do-with-the-loons-at-the-malheur-wildlife-refuge/
Wilderness Society ?@Wilderness
"It makes me very sad, sick and disgusted" -Birders on #OregonStandoff in beloved refuge http://bit.ly/1RTfXU3
Thomas ?@tampabaybucsfan
Oregon brothers troll Bundy and crew with fundraiser for gun control group and other occupier foes http://bit.ly/1NeFlwV #OregonStandoff
Power for the Loons: A small electric co-op considers what to do with the Loons at the Malheur Wildlife Refuge
Jarret Ruminski ?@TheDevilHistory
Why the Bundy Militia's Anti-Government Ideology is Ahistorical Bullshit | That Devil History
http://thatdevilhistory.com/index.php/2016/01/16/the-ahistorical-anti-government-ideology-of-the-bundy-militia/
Birders: Why we love Malheur National Wildlife Refuge - PHOTO GALLERY
The Oregonian ?@Oregonian
Committee of Safety agrees with goals, but felt betrayed by #OregonStandoff. http://bit.ly/1ZGU4gz
ConserveNM ?@ConserveNM
#Oregonstandoff is now "amalgamation of disparate strands of extremist movement." Time to #ArrestBundy
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/17/us/standoff-in-oregon-attracts-supporters-bearing-disparate-grievances.html?_r=0 #KeepItPublic
Talking Points Memo ?@TPM 41 minutes ago
County where #OregonStandoff rages is most government-dependent in the state http://bit.ly/1KmwR7h
Wulalowe @Wulalowe
Armed #OregonOccupiers Unashamedly Steal, Destroy Federal Property
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/01/17/armed_oregon_occupiers_steal_destroy_federal_property_on_malheur_national.html
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)[center]Oregonian: RT Kelly_M_House:
#Oregonstandoff folks will [link:https://twitter.com/Kelly_M_House|meet w/ community tonight @ private Crystal Crane Hot Springs
after county denied access to public facilities.
Matt Wuerker @wuerker
Oregon Militia-This land is MY, this land is MY land. New toon @politico
http://politi.co/1Rc9kxi #Oregonstandoff
Secret t ?@Secret____t Jan 17
@TheOnion In related news, Oregon lawbreakers feign unawareness of widely known "technicality" that "ignorance of the law is no excuse."
How Politicians Are Using Taxpayer Money To Fund Their Campaign To Sell Off Americas Public Lands
by Matt Lee-Ashley - Guest Contributor Jun 18, 2014
tefanie ?@jbelcap
I'm curating a list of users contributing to the pool of knowledge on the #Oregonstandoff You can follow as well:
https://twitter.com/jbelcap/lists/malheur-madness
ballerinaX @ballerinaX
Note Ut Rep Ivory No longer runs http://www.americanlandscouncil.org
New job at http://www.federalisminaction.com/#sthash.rZtisBZf.dpbs
running 'Free The Lands Project #bundymilitia
Thomas Reich ?@gollum1419_g
How Reagan convinced white America that the government was out to get them
via @Salon #YallQaeda #SaintReagan
Jason Wilson ?@jason_a_w
Fascinating post on the implications of Harney Electric simply "shutting the power off" at the wildlife refuge
STOP #YallQaeda ?@YallQaedaOR
Why does Media ignore @FedEx delivering supplies to ongoing criminal operation?
What other biz are providing aid to Seditious Conspiracy?
MintPress News ?@MintPressNews Jan 10
Is The Oregon Occupation Being Stage-Managed? http://bit.ly/1VUryCG
STOP #YallQaeda ?@YallQaedaOR
Looks like #TarpMan was getting paid over $105k per year to use foster kids as slave labor to run his ranch
KGW News @KGWNews
Rallies in #Portland, #Eugene, #Bend, #LaGrande will protest #Oregonstandoff Tuesday
http://www.kgw.com/news/local/eastern-oregon/armed-occupation-in-eastern-oregon/11955767
labspokane ?@labspokane
As we already knew, the #bundymilitia claims about the Constitution are complete cow pucky.
Squee! ?@saranimals
U know ignorance exists, but 2 see it go full desperate & mental is stunning. #Oregonstandoff #bundymilitia
Brent Weisberg ?@BrentKOIN
Anti-militia org. started by son of federal judge who re-sentenced Hammonds
#KOIN6News #HarneyCounty #Oregonstandoff
other95 ?@other95
MT #Oregonstandoff "@msbellows: A reminder of what Ammon Bundy promised when they first occupied the refuge:
Just Laugh ?@justlaughDOTcom
Just Laugh's Guide to Squatting on Federal Property #OregonStandoff #YallQaeda
BlueGoose ?@BlueGoose2016
#OregonStandoff prize quote today: Kieran Sucking to P.Stantilli "where did you buy your version of the Constitution? Walmart? "
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Last edited Tue Jan 19, 2016, 08:24 AM - Edit history (1)
[center]Twitter was the only window into the meeting tonight.
Biggest news, almost no one showed up, but RTepublican Chair is there.
About 30 people at the meeting in Crane
Ammon Bundy starts community meeting with video about standoff in Nevada involving his dad.
Ryan Bundy says by signing a grazing contract with the BLM, that gives fed government control over you. Says you/we already own the land.
Payne: "If you want to be free you have to be willing to give it all up."
always vote ?@always_vote
@conradjwilson I see Tim Smith from Committee of Safety, also co-chair of Burns Republican Party is there. #Oregonstandoff @k_m_allan
carolealana ?@carolealana
republican pols there at #bundymilitia propaganda mtg; real big surprise that
Finicum: "When you stand, the angels of heaven will stand with you."
Kieran Suckling ?@KieranSuckling
Ammon Bundy: "We recognize that the Native Americans had the claim to the land, but they lost that claim" #Oregonstandoff @OREUnderAttack
GW Atcher ?@gergwatch
@conradjwilson Be a reporter, ask them how they intend to reimburse the elec coop for damaging the cameras. #Oregonstandoff
SomeForcePullsYou ?@freefall_mc
I can't wait to see who's left in the end holding the #OregonStandOff full bag of charges.
Kieran Suckling ?@KieranSuckling
Ammonia Bundy now: "natural law" is only law.
Ammon Bundy now: Supreme Court has no legal jurisdiction over interpretation of Constitution.
Kieran Suckling ?@KieranSuckling
Ammon Bundy: "There are things to learn from cultures of the past, but the current culture is the most important." @OREUnderAttack
Ammon Bundy: "We recognize that the Native Americans had the claim to the land, but they lost that claim" #Oregonstandoff @OREUnderAttack
Conrad Wilson ?@conradjwilson
Scott Franklin, 4th generation Harney Co rancher, says the Bundy's are asking too much, asking them to give up everything. #Oregonstandoff
Bundy says they're adjudicating land rights at the Refuge. Says they're looking to return them to users. And they're "here to defend you."
Ammon Bundy says his role here in Harney Co is a "one time offer."
David W Shaw @David_W_Shaw
A one time offer that won't go away. #Oregonstandoff #YallQaeda
Maria Morrissey ?@mamaria33 .@conradjwilson "We're 2hrs. in to the community mtg w/domestic terrorists at the Oregon wildlife Refuge."
#Oregonstandoff. #FixedThatForYou
Conrad Wilson ?@conradjwilson
Ryan Bundy closes meeting with a prayer. #Oregonstandoff
Amanda Peacher ?@amandapeacher
This man is a refuge caretaker. He's desperate to get in & care for birds who rely on his feeding program. [center]
Dawn Gulick ?@DawnGulick
@yarnsalad There is no cake and flowers involved. OTOH I'm amazed that Caribou Barbie hasn't shown up #Oregonstandoff
John Cunningham ?@papazubs
"Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel." -Samuel Johnson #Oregonstandoff
Pyrrhus4Bernie ?@King_Pyrrhus
earth to malheur terrorists: you will never get anything in return for your efforts but fines and prison. #OregonUnderAttack #Oregonstandoff
Point of Friction: Idaho and national sportsman rally against refuge takeover
Published on Jan 14, 2016
Idaho and national sportsmen voice their unhappiness with the Oregon refuge takeover by Ammon Bundy and his militia group.
other95 ?@other95
#Oregonstandoff More anti-SCOTUS from AZ SovCit Representative http://tucson.com/news/local/columnists/steller/steller-in-oregon-az-constitutionalists-improvise-rule-of-law/article_f9053952-58ae-544b-9f86-db8311ee201f.html
Anna ?@TallyAnnaE
The Phrase You're Looking For Is 'Seditious Conspiracist' http://wp.me/pZ9Pf-7Da via @mikethemadbiol #BundyMilitia #OregonStandoff
Bet ?@eagle1776n
Lol!! Is that what "God" told Bundy to say?
@OneCowboysStand #Oregonstandoff
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Sarah Winnemucca isnt a name known by manyher surname is more likely identified as a town in Nevada than the last name of one of the nineteenth centurys most prominent American Indian writers and activists. Author of Life Among the Piutes, one of the first published narratives by a Native American, she made frequent headlines for her vocal support of indigenous rights. One of her most long-lasting campaigns was to restore her people, the Northern Paiutes, to the Malheur Reservation, which was created in 1872 by the U.S. government. In January 1879, following the Bannock War, residents of the reservation were forced to travel 350 miles to the Yakama Indian Reservation after an ill-informed decision to punish the Northern Paiutes, many of whom had supported the US against the Bannocks in the War. Even the so-called hostiles in the war were motivated by the usual: colonialist land encroachment and resource exploitation.
Because of our collective amnesia about both Winnemucca and Malheur, I was surprised to see the site make first-page news across the country last week, when members of a militia group took over the Malheur Wildlife Refuge in order to protest the US governments possession and management of public lands in the West.
Malheurknown now mainly to birders who prize species like the Sandhill Cranehas been a contentious site before. Nineteenth-century newspaper articles that Carolyn Sorisio and I published in the collection The Newspaper Warrior: Sarah Winnemucca Hopkinss Campaign for American Indian Rights 1864-1891 (University of Nebraska Press 2015) indicate that the rightful owner of Malheur was a contested question long before the militias current occupation.
The Malheur Indian Reservation was established for the Northern Paiutes in 1872 by President Grant. .....
The Bizarre Bird Hat Fad That Led To Malheurs Public Land Protections
Before Bundy, Bird Hats: Malheurs Bizarre History
By BRIAN MAFFLY | The Salt Lake Tribune Jan 19 2016
In the 1780s, Maryland was worried about its neighbors as America's newly independent states pondered how to bind 13 former British colonies into a single nation.
Virginia and Pennsylvania envisioned their borders extending far into "unoccupied" land to the west, and Maryland feared that its influence would wane should those states gain large empires. It insisted these lands be reserved for future states and sold to pay down a massive war debt and fund ongoing government operations.
The historic compromise to resolve this impasse led to the principles Utah is now invoking as it builds a legal case to demand that the federal government hand over title to 31 million acres of public lands.
To persuade Maryland's leaders to sign the Articles of Confederation, other states agreed that all future states would join the union on "equal footing" with the original 13, making the young nation a federal republic of sovereigns, according to the legal analysis recently unveiled by consultants hired by the Utah Commission for the Stewardship of Public Lands.
However ...........
David J. Hayes @djhayes01
#Bundymilitia don't have a legal leg to stand on. My piece in the Nat'l Law Journal:
http://www.nationallawjournal.com/commentary/id=1202747232238/Oregon-Standoff-Is-Legally-Untenable?slreturn=20160018084432 #Malheur
January 19, 2016 by The Beacon by Rachel Rippetoe
... we have people arguing that these men are militia. Theyre armed and they actually are damaging property. Theyre saying that this should be treated as terrorism. How are we supposed to go about this as a nation?
Well, usually you think of terrorism as being either the attempt to take life or threaten to take life in order to advance a political goal. The fact that these guys are armed and wont leave and theyre threatening that if the authorities try to force them to leave, they will meet that force, certainly takes us beyond legal protest. On the other hand, I dont think theyre all the way to terrorism yet. It would be one thing if they were taking hostages or if they started blowing up the building, but I dont think tearing down a fence really counts. Its terrorism-light, if that. ....
#RefugeRally chant went from "birds not bullies" to "throw the bums in jail" #Oregonstandoff 43 pics
#RefugeRally Event News - Rallies in Eugene, Bend, Seattle, Portland,... Noon Jan 19th
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)[center]#RefugeRally chant went from "birds not bullies" to "throw the bums in jail" #Oregonstandoff 43 pics
By Les Zaitz | The Oregonian/OregonLive January 19, 2016
... In sometimes highly personal remarks, speaker after speaker vented anger at public officials, at the federal government and at the man in the brown cowboy hat sitting high in the bleachers to take it all in Ammon Bundy. ...
He sat on the second row from the top as County Judge Steve Grasty, microphone in hand, strode to the foot of that bleacher section.
"It is time for you to go home," Grasty said to Bundy, vowing to meet with Bundy anytime, anyplace outside of Harney County.
A chant then grew in the gymnasium: "Go, go, go, go, go." .....
Oregon standoff: Live updates from community meeting
Lisa Baumann, Associated Press, January 20, 2016
... "Ammon, you need to go home to your family; thank you," said local resident Jennifer Williams. "I've heard so many things I didn't know before. Now I'm aware."
Other speakers were less congenial and at times angry and emotional in comments directed at the armed group as well as at local government officials and federal government, in part for not doing more to end the occupation. ....
.... Harney County Judge Steve Grasty took the microphone over to where Bundy sat in the bleachers and told Bundy he'd drive him wherever he wanted to go, as far as Utah. ....
ADL @ADL_National
#AmmonBundy and his #oregonstandoff circus: profiles of 30 extremists at the takeover:
http://www.adl.org/combating-hate/domestic-extremism-terrorism/c/anatomy-of-a-standoff.html#.VpknfVJQFAN
Oregonians hardly present at #Oregonstandoff: 25 of 30 people we ID'd hail from outside OR
Obvious Bastard ?@Genghis_Dong 1 hour ago
Klu Klux Klowns.... #Oregonstandoff
Joe Keene ?@joekeene
#YallQaeda #bundymilitia #birdwatching #loon #Oregonstandoff
Michael D. Kennedy ?@Prof_Kennedy
Writers matter: "Bundy & his bullyboys.. a flock of Right-Winged Loonybirds infesting the refuge"
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2016/01/19/3740829/ursula-k-le-guin-oregon-lte/ #Oregonstandoff
Amanda Peacher Verified account ?@amandapeacher
Burns is so divided and tense right now. This mtg. was CHARGED--esp. after Bundy arrived. http://ow.ly/XiLrL #OregonStandoff
Gargoyle ?@Patztense
@jjmacnab @JohnLGC The number of #Oregonstandoff militants with Confederate flags in their FB timeline's astounding
Waidertot @Waidertot
#Oregonstandoff #bundymilitia I was looking at Pete Santilli's Linkedin profile then found this. Must read!
https://susannahcole.wordpress.com/2013/04/17/who-is-this-guy-pete-santilli/
Ian Donovan ?@DnBcorporation 6 minutes ago
Oregonian: #OregonStandoff Day 19: What you need to know today. http://bit.ly/1nlG8I2
Henry C. Schmitt ?@H3nrySchmitt 15 minutes ago
I made a pledge countering ignorance & hate @ http://gohomemalheur.org Pledge 2day!
#gohomemalheur #occupyathon #standup 2 #oregonstandoff
The Bulletin ?@thebulletin 1 hour ago
Burns meeting gets tense when Bundys arrive. http://j.mp/1RSTFU4 #bundymilitia #Oregonstandoff
Burns, Ore. Harney County Sheriff Dave Ward says his Office continues to work with other area law-enforcement partners to protect the Harney County community during the armed and unlawful occupation occurring at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. He updated the media on recent events involving criminals heading to or from the refuge. These are listed below: ............
GrrlScientist ?@GrrlScientist 8h8 hours ago
amusing: Meet the Ragtag Coalition of Birders & Grannies Taking on #BundyMilitia http://bit.ly/1T0Osso #Malheur
Ross Freeman Levin ?@cxrfreeman 18 minutes ago
Today's @KBOOtalk radio guests discuss the #Malheur standoff #YallQueda
http://live.kboo.fm:8000/high.m3u
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)[center]
Several groups are demanding the arrests of cattle rancher Cliven Bundy, some of his family members and their biggest supporters. ........
Wanda Moore ?@WandaKTVZ 29 minutes ago
Counter protesters walk up to refuge headquarters to talk to occupiers #Oregonstandoff
Wanda Moore ?@WandaKTVZ 20 minutes ago
Counter protesters and occupiers have discussion about #Oregonstandoff on refuge
The Bulletin ?@thebulletin 3 hours ago
Letter to the Editor: Occupiers need to get out.
http://j.mp/1Sxe80r #Oregonstandoff #bundymilitia
ThinkOutLoud on OPB Verified account ?@OPBTOL 7 minutes ago
The latest coverage of #Oregonstandoff that @amandapeacher just updated us on:
http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/
KGW News Verified account ?@KGWNews
Spokane County sheriff criticizes Burns occupiers http://on.kgw.com/1Qn5ssi #Oregonstandoff
Billy B ?@Timbo972
WATCH: #Oregon militants sit silently as furious residents shame them for ruining their community #Oregonstandoff
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/01/watch-oregon-militants-sit-silently-as-furious-residents-shame-them-for-ruining-their-community/
Harney County ?@HarneyCountyGov
Thank you for coming to community meeting last night. Hoping militia heard the message loud and clear - go home.
Occupied Oregon wildlife refuge known for listening to ranchers
PHOTOS: Cities Across the Northwest Rally for Malheur NWR and Public Lands
Images from Portland, Eugene, Bend, Salem, La Grande, Medford, Boise, Seattle, and the Malheur Refuge
Medford:
Salem:
Boise:
Jan 19, 2016 | Arran Robertson
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)In a press conference Wednesday where Oregon Gov. Kate Brown announced her policy agenda, she took aim at federal officials.
The governor said federal officials have told to her to limit her public comments to avoid escalating the ongoing occupation at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge near Burns, Oregon.
Brown called the occupation intolerable and pushed for a quick resolution.
Federal authorities must move quickly to end the occupation and hold all of the wrongdoers accountable, Brown said.
This spectacle of lawlessness must end. ........
Full video of 1/19 #HarneyCounty community mtg:[center]
Pt 1:
Pt 2:
Pt 3:
Harney Cty. Sheriff ?@HarneyCoSheriff
#HereForHarney An open letter from the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge staff, who live and work in #HarneyCounty :
https://www.facebook.com/malheurrefuge/posts/1698675557015817
Harney Cty. Sheriff ?@HarneyCoSheriff 7 hours ago
ICYMI, last night's statement from Sheriff Ward. #HereForHarney
Harney County ?@HarneyCountyGov 7 hours ago
Thank you for coming to community meeting last night. Hoping militia heard the message loud and clear - go home.
HGTomato ?@HGTomato
So is #bundymilitia trying to start a religious war? #Oregonstandoff
Daniel R. Patterson ?@DanPattersonUSA 4 minutes ago
OR Gov. Kate Brown criticizes federal response to Bundy terrorists, wants funding to help pay costs: http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/01/kate_brown_oregon_should_help.html #OregonStandoff
OPB ?@OPB 5 hours ago
LaVoy Finicum says armed occupiers have "no plans to leave" the Malheur refuge http://ow.ly/XkBh7
other95 ?@other95 6 minutes ago
#Oregonstandoff #bundymilitia God wants us here, theres a sense thats beckoning and it comes from heaven,
http://koin.com/2016/01/20/god-wants-us-here-more-militiamen-arrive-at-malheur/
other95 ?@other95 11 minutes ago
#Oregonstandoff #bundymilitia Bullies Go Home! Great Old Broads for Wilderness rally for public lands
http://www.bendsource.com/bend/bullies-go-home/Content?oid=2587039
https://t.co/sqSvGlrGMm
Joe Papp ?@joepabike 20 minutes ago
Oregon governor calls on Feds to act: 'this spectacle of lawlessness must end'
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/1/20/1472576/-Oregon-governor-calls-on-Feds-to-act-says-this-spectacle-of-lawlessness-must-end
#oregonunderattack #oregonstandoff
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Rebecca Woolington | The Oregonian/OregonLive January 20, 2016
One of the protesters taking part in the armed occupation at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge is a 68-year-old former woodworker and, according to court records and authorities, a convicted killer.
Neil Sigurd Wampler drove to Oregon from his home on the California coast earlier this month to join those protesting the arson convictions of father and son ranchers outside Burns.
In August 1977, Wampler, who was 29, was convicted of second-degree murder in the killing of his father .........
..... A commander at the San Luis Obispo County Sheriff's Office also confirmed that the man at the refuge is a convicted murderer he knows as Neil Wampler in California .....
California and federal law generally prohibit felons from possessing firearms. Wampler told The Oregonian that he can legally possess a gun. Cipolla, the San Luis Obispo Sheriff's Office spokesman, said Wampler cannot have a gun because of his murder conviction. ....
...He pleaded ... not guilty by reason of insanity ...... "I myself am willing to be shot and killed for constitutional rights and principles." ......
rebels mom ?@anonhumanperson 30 minutes ago
The #RefugeRally is spreading. Keep your mitts off our Land. Tomorrow it's Santa Fe! via @OregonWild #oregonstandoff
Bet ?@eagle1776n 55 minutes ago Retweeted Blaine Cooper
VIDEO of Bundy thugs tampering w/ & rooting through Paiute Artifacts
https://twitter.com/coop3030/status/689981160416526336
Updated January 20, 20167:33 PM ET Published January 20, 2016 Amanda Peacher
Listen to the Story All Things Considered 3:58
Residents of Harney County, Ore., are growing increasingly frustrated ....
(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING) CROWD: (Chanting) Go home. Go home. Go home. Go home.
PEACHER: So Bundy's presence and that of the other militants in the room definitely increased the tension in that high school gym.
SIEGEL: Well, judging from the go-home chants, it sounds like locals are tired of the situation and just want it to end. Is that accurate?
PEACHER: That is absolutely accurate. They are exhausted ..........
"We're doing what's right, we're doing what the founding fathers would do"
BURNS, Ore. (KOIN) The same day Oregon Governor Kate Brown called the takeover of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge absolutely intolerable, more militiamen from around the country drove in truck by truck to join the cause.
Group leader Ammon Bundy says there is much work to be done, and thats why Wednesdays regularly scheduled press conference was canceled.
.... the heavily armed militants believe their cause is not only just, but an act of divine intervention.
God wants us here, theres a sense thats beckoning and it comes from heaven, militiaman Kelly Gneiting said. Were doing whats right, were doing what the founding fathers would do because were inspired by God, also. ......
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)[center]
Bundy talking to an FBI negotiator - #OregonStandoff
Amanda Peacher @amandapeacher
Bundy is talking with the FBI at Burns airport. #Oregonstandoff
Amanda Peacher ?@amandapeacher
Interestingly, there was not a swarm of armed officers there. Just three FBI agents in ball caps and a few deputies. #Oregonstandoff
At the end of the convo, Ammon asked FBI negotiator if he's LDS. Negotiator said no. "I lost a bet," said Bundy.
Ammon said the FBI contacted him yesterday about negotiations. So he showed up today at FBI HQ to talk in person 1/2
The negotiator wasn't there in person though, so Bundy talked with him by phone at the blockaded gate. 2/2 #Oregonstandoff
Bundy sets a date to talk with the FBI again tomorrow. #oregonstandoff
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FBI Issues Statement on Wildlife Refuge Occupation In Oregon
By: T. Grant Benson (Breaking911 Newsroom) January 21, 2016 | 6:45 PM
The FBI recognizes that many in the community have questions about why we are here and our role in helping to end the occupation of the wildlife refuge. We are here to work closely with Sheriff Ward and our local, state and federal partners to protect the safety and welfare of this community. This occupation has caused tremendous disruption and hardship for the people of Harney County, and our response has been deliberate and measured as we seek a peaceful resolution. Due to safety considerations for both those inside the refuge as well as the law enforcement officers involved, we will not be releasing any specifics with regards to the law enforcement response.
More on the road the occupiers built, and the use of bulldozers w/in the refuge
http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/militants-continue-to-operate-bulldozers-move-soil-in-refuge-/
SPLC @splcenter
"At the refuge, it's time to pull the plug"
http://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2016/01/at_the_refuge_its_time_to_pull.html
Martin Heinrich ?@MartinHeinrich
I commend @OregonGovBrown for calling for aggressive legal action against #OregonStandOff militants. @TheOregonian:
http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/01/kate_brown_presses_top_federal.html
Jason H. Campbell ?@JasonHCampbell
More evidence some of the #Oregonstandoff "patriots" are common law-breaking thugs:
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/01/oregon-ranchers-who-sparked-standoff-threatened-to-wrap-officials-son-in-barbed-wire-and-drown-him/
pendejo awards ?@pendejoawards
#Militants #bulldoze #archeological site, share vid #rifling thru #artifacts http://bit.ly/1SzKd7Q #Oregonstandoff
Mac ?@macrant
The @OregonGovBrown writes to @POTUS pleading for swift Federal action against #Oregonstandoff. #OregonMilitia
Gordon R. Friedman ?@gordonrfriedman
Gov. Brown's letters to Obama has strong language on the #OregonStandoff occupiers and weak fed response
http://www.statesmanjournal.com/story/news/politics/2016/01/21/read-gov-browns-letters-obama-urging-end-malheur-occupation/79123426/
other95 ?@other95
#OregonStandoff #BundyMilitia Reporter @LesZaitz is interviewed about occupation and SovCit
https://m.soundcloud.com/kinkfm/o-reporter-les-zaitz-on-the-coverage-of-the-malheur-wildlife-refuge-standoff
Sonya Lee ?@bujeeboo
Another county in Oregon has a militia situation. @jjmacnab @amandapeacher #oregonstandoff #oregonunderattack
http://www.mailtribune.com/article/20150424/NEWS/150429701
OPB ?@OPB
Ammon Bundy spoke with an @FBI negotiator Thursday and plans to again Friday http://ow.ly/XnCBe
OPB ?@OPB
Listen live on OPB in five minutes: @OregonGovBrown speaks with @Kate_Davidson http://ow.ly/Xnkkl
The Oregonian @Oregonian
FBI and #OregonStandoff leaders begin negotiations to end refuge occupation http://bit.ly/1S83dsC
Aly ?@frailascarbyne
Why the hell is the FBI negotiating with the Bundys? We don't negotiate with terrorists. This is America. #Oregonstandoff #MalheurRefuge
Dylan J Darling ?@DylanJDarling
Occupier says 50-100 packages come in per day to #Oregonstandoff. ~half are gag gifts, such as douches and sex toys. http://j.mp/1KsIYiV
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)by Amanda Peacher OPB | Jan. 22, 2016
OPB has confirmed that there are children staying at the occupied Malheur National Wildlife Refuge ... two young girls now staying at the occupied refuge are sisters, ages 8 and 9.
... the mother and father are active and vocal militants in the armed occupation. Both parents have been involved in the incident since its start Jan. 2.
The children were visible inside one of the buildings Thursday evening. ....
Chris ?@TheNYCBMX
Teapartiers of a feather, flock together.
#Oregonstandoff
Alean ?@Alean4
#Oregonstandoff Where is his caregiver? Someone help this person.
Patricia McGahan ?@BeachcomberNC
What if a gang of armed thugs in Oregon held a press conference, and nobody came?
berniecrat ?@King_Pyrrhus
my wife says god is talking to her telling her that the sandhill cranes need our help to clear a migration path #Oregonstandoff
STOP #YallQaeda ?@Yall_Qaeda
Statement by Harney County Judge Steve Grasty
Wilderness Watch ?@WildernessWatch
ICYMI New @PEERorg map shows #PublicLands harmed by livestock grazing: http://bit.ly/1IZ0i44 #Oregonstandoff #p2
#BundyTeaParty image search
Yossarian17 ?@hennessanity
#OregonStandoff DAY 21: #Talibums ignore pleas to leave, consider their occupation a nice respite from reality.
ali I. ?@MCrizvi
New fences and construction at malhuer refuge. #Oregonstandoff
+++ MORE THREADS +++
Bundy talking to an FBI negotiator - #OregonStandoff
The #BundyBunch was spotted this morning, foraging for snacks.
#RefugeRally chant went from "birds not bullies" to "throw the bums in jail" #Oregonstandoff 43 pics
Bundy Gives Demands For Continued FBI Negotiations