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Judi Lynn

(160,449 posts)
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 09:17 PM Jan 2016

Armed group says it has accessed government files at refuge

Source: Associated Press

Armed group says it has accessed government files at refuge
Rick Bowmer, Associated Press
Updated 6:32 pm, Monday, January 11, 2016

BURNS, Ore. (AP) — The leader of a small, armed group occupying a national wildlife refuge in southeastern Oregon said Monday he and his followers are going through government documents stored inside refuge buildings.

Ammon Bundy told reporters the documents will be used to "expose" how the government has discriminated local ranchers who use federal land for cattle grazing.

Bundy said the documents would also help secure the release of Steven and Dwight Hammond, two area ranchers convicted of arson who returned to prison last week to serve longer sentences. The Hammonds' case set off the occupation of the Burns-area refuge on Jan. 2.

Bundy said his group is not accessing government computers at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, including personnel files.

Read more: http://www.chron.com/news/science/article/Call-for-supplies-as-Oregon-standoff-enters-6750211.php

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Armed group says it has accessed government files at refuge (Original Post) Judi Lynn Jan 2016 OP
What would those records be, exactly? The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2016 #1
Bird mating records? Counts of the number of groundhogs? Damn! Sancho Jan 2016 #2
so first they tear down a $100K fence tishaLA Jan 2016 #3
As for the computers, padfun Jan 2016 #4
Good info underpants Jan 2016 #32
When homegirl Jan 2016 #5
Absolutely. Baitball Blogger Jan 2016 #12
as far as cutting off the utilities, I think it was mentioned that in doing so, the equipment niyad Jan 2016 #22
I read that they can't cut utilities to reserve without it affecting power to surrounding areas. emulatorloo Jan 2016 #27
Interesting write up 2naSalit Jan 2016 #6
This is a very interesting article with a lot of relevant detail. enough Jan 2016 #13
My pleasure... 2naSalit Jan 2016 #16
5 years is the >MANDATORY< sentence for the crime. Republicans pushed for Mandatory Sentencing emulatorloo Jan 2016 #31
ab-so-fucking-lutely. JEB Jan 2016 #33
Why would the babylonsister Jan 2016 #7
that's probably 2naSalit Jan 2016 #17
These guys are racking up quite a bill. I hope they enjoy their stay. Gregorian Jan 2016 #8
but last week the Noregonians were saying they weren't! MisterP Jan 2016 #9
Something like this, but with camo... FSogol Jan 2016 #10
And the government sus453 Jan 2016 #11
When white people discover the Fourteenth Amendment. Baitball Blogger Jan 2016 #14
Idiots.... Grassy Knoll Jan 2016 #15
Good one! 2naSalit Jan 2016 #18
wow, a bunch that doesn't have enough brains to bring food and clothing to a stand-off niyad Jan 2016 #19
And the Feds still just 'wait'..... blackspade Jan 2016 #20
don't forget, being white and reichwing. not quite the treatment progressives get, is it? niyad Jan 2016 #23
Nope. blackspade Jan 2016 #25
they are embarrassing themselves Skittles Jan 2016 #21
one has to possess a conscience and a certain amount of self-awareness in order to niyad Jan 2016 #24
"cretinous yahoos" blackspade Jan 2016 #26
wonkette refers to them as "bundy's boners", amoung other things. niyad Jan 2016 #28
I was thinking... blackspade Jan 2016 #29
I like that one. the sf's of course, cannot spell, or understand, the first word. niyad Jan 2016 #30
Actually no, they are probably not at all embarrassed but the people who *are* being shown up ... Nihil Jan 2016 #34

tishaLA

(14,176 posts)
3. so first they tear down a $100K fence
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 09:24 PM
Jan 2016

And now this. They're just piling up federal crimes, aren't they?

Bless their little hearts.

padfun

(1,786 posts)
4. As for the computers,
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 09:27 PM
Jan 2016

If they are connected to a domain, then anyone with "domain admins" can access every file remotely. And depending on their setup, those with "Power User" can too. They could also access the registry (regedit) if they wanted to plant a keylogger on them to see what the Bundy group is typing at any given machine. If they have folder redirection (Citrix?) then those network guys can access it remotely with the full desktop on display but in this case, the confidential files would be stored on a server folder instead of the desktop.

So if they do try to access confidential information, the feds will know. They can also limit what can be accessed by this group.

Just saying..

Edit: was to add "remotely" to make it clear.

homegirl

(1,427 posts)
5. When
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 09:32 PM
Jan 2016

will those in charge cut off all utilities and access? Starve them out then a trial and three hots and a cot for about 10 years. Will the taxpayers never be released from these locusts?


niyad

(113,049 posts)
22. as far as cutting off the utilities, I think it was mentioned that in doing so, the equipment
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 10:49 PM
Jan 2016

would freeze, costing thousands to repair or replace. that was the reason given last week for not doing so.

as far as access- who knows. they are clearly being coddled, and treated as though this were some sort of harmless prank by a bunch of frat boys.

emulatorloo

(44,058 posts)
27. I read that they can't cut utilities to reserve without it affecting power to surrounding areas.
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 11:12 PM
Jan 2016

Eventually these guys will be gone, but not without racking up a bunch more charges.

2naSalit

(86,323 posts)
6. Interesting write up
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 09:37 PM
Jan 2016

in High Country News...

The BLM's inconsistent approach toward rule breakers
A look at how the feds have — and have not — punished individuals for defying regulations.



One of the reasons Ammon and Ryan Bundy and their armed friends are holed up at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, deep in the frigid sage plains of Oregon, is to protest what they see as an unjust punishment of a father-son pair of local ranchers, Dwight and Steven Hammond.

In October, a judge ordered each of the Hammonds to finish a five year required minimum sentence for lighting fires on public land back in 2001 and 2006. Critics say that’s far too harsh. And, indeed, it is a much greater punishment than the Bundys’ father, Cliven, has so far received for grazing his cattle illegally and without paying fees on a Bureau of Land Management allotment for decades. In fact, Bundy has yet to be punished at all, either for that or for his role in inciting supporters to threaten federal agents at gunpoint back in May of 2014.

Former federal officials blame the Bureau of Land Management's inaction in the Bundy case for the debacle that’s unfolding in Oregon today. “At the end of the day, most people have a common respect for the law, and with Mr. Bundy, he just believes differently, that he’s above the law,” Bob Abbey, former director of the BLM, told High Country News recently. “The fact that their trespass hasn’t been dealt with in a timely matter reinforced beliefs.”

HCN took a look at a handful of similar cases involving BLM land, and at the punishment for whatever transgressions might have occurred in order to see how consistent, or otherwise, the agency has been.

---SNIP---

much more at link

http://www.hcn.org/articles/the-people-v-the-blm-bundy-hammonds-malheur



2naSalit

(86,323 posts)
16. My pleasure...
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 10:04 PM
Jan 2016

I like to help people become informed about issues. This one I just happen to have some info about since I've been watching this slow moving train wreck for almost two decades. I truly appreciate when journalists get it right with perspectives beyond my own.

emulatorloo

(44,058 posts)
31. 5 years is the >MANDATORY< sentence for the crime. Republicans pushed for Mandatory Sentencing
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 11:27 PM
Jan 2016

because of some fantasy about how those horrible lieberal demoncrat activist judges would mollycoddle criminals.

If the Bundy Bunch has a problem with Mandatory sentences they should take it up with the Republican assholes who made Mandatory Sentences mandatory.

The Hammonds willingly went to prison to serve their time. The Hammonds have no use for Bundy or the other pretend-vets and pretend-ranchers in his Mormon-extremist militia. They are requesting clemency from President Obama.



 

JEB

(4,748 posts)
33. ab-so-fucking-lutely.
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 12:01 AM
Jan 2016

How many thousands of people have suffered "unjust" penalties due to mandatory sentencing laws? A kid in my hometown got in a fistfight at a beer party at the beach and served 7 years thanks to mandatory sentencing. Even the judge and prosecutor were frustrated with the mandatory sentence.

2naSalit

(86,323 posts)
17. that's probably
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 10:07 PM
Jan 2016

protected info since it was a litigation. The feds have been able to limit info access so I'm not too fired up about that. I think the kkklowns want to sh*t stir by claiming they have accessed things they probably haven't. Old tactic revived by people like this gang of thieves and assholes like the Chumpster.

Baitball Blogger

(46,682 posts)
14. When white people discover the Fourteenth Amendment.
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 09:58 PM
Jan 2016

Isn't cute how quickly they fight for equality issues?

niyad

(113,049 posts)
19. wow, a bunch that doesn't have enough brains to bring food and clothing to a stand-off
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 10:15 PM
Jan 2016

knows how to hack the govt computers? rigggggghhhht

niyad

(113,049 posts)
24. one has to possess a conscience and a certain amount of self-awareness in order to
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 10:55 PM
Jan 2016

feel embarrassment. that clearly is not the case with these cretinous yahoos.

niyad

(113,049 posts)
28. wonkette refers to them as "bundy's boners", amoung other things.
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 11:13 PM
Jan 2016

says will not call them terrorists, because that would elevate their status to an unwarranted level.

 

Nihil

(13,508 posts)
34. Actually no, they are probably not at all embarrassed but the people who *are* being shown up ...
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 10:24 AM
Jan 2016

... are the leaders of the land and the members of the establishment who desperately
try to maintain the facade of equality before the law regardless of race, religion or wealth.

Every day of this farce is an embarrassment to the police, the FBI, the judiciary and every
politician of the land - big or small - who doesn't have the courage to denounce these
acts as wantonly criminal.


"... And Justice For All" ... Hah!

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