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Judi Lynn

(160,408 posts)
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 12:39 AM Jan 2016

US court: Wearing unearned military medals is free speech

Source: Associated Press

US court: Wearing unearned military medals is free speech
By PAUL ELIAS
Jan. 11, 2016 6:11 PM EST

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — A federal appeals court on Monday tossed out a veteran's conviction for wearing military medals he didn't earn, saying it was a form of free speech protected by the Constitution.

A specially convened 11-judge panel of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that the First Amendment allows people to wear unearned military honors.

Elven Joe Swisher of Idaho was convicted in 2007 of violating the Stolen Valor Act, which made it a misdemeanor to falsely claim military accomplishments. President George W. Bush signed it into law in 2006, but the U.S. Supreme Court struck it down in 2012 as a violation of free speech protections.

Investigators looked into Swisher's military claims after he testified at the 2005 trial of a man charged with soliciting the murder of a federal judge. Swisher wore a Purple Heart on the witness stand.

Read more: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/6e68bbfe4ba04864b0a7e31a163dd424/us-court-wearing-unearned-military-medals-free-speech

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US court: Wearing unearned military medals is free speech (Original Post) Judi Lynn Jan 2016 OP
It's a dick move, but it's still free speech Feeling the Bern Jan 2016 #1
What if I put on ID saying I am an MD and go to a hospital? LisaL Jan 2016 #21
That's a crime. Putting on fake medals doesn't affect a person's health Feeling the Bern Jan 2016 #22
Did I say I was going to participate in any actual medical procedures? LisaL Jan 2016 #25
Fake IDs are illegal. Fake medals aren't. Feeling the Bern Jan 2016 #26
Isn't this whole discussion about legality of fake medals? LisaL Jan 2016 #27
Okay. . .fake medals are free speech. Conversation over. Feeling the Bern Jan 2016 #36
Yes, what's your point? Elmer S. E. Dump Jan 2016 #49
One is a statement or claim. The other is an action. Xithras Jan 2016 #46
"President George W. Bush signed it into law in 2006" forest444 Jan 2016 #2
President Sock In A Jockstrap Strikes again! Joe Bacon Jan 2016 #29
I fucking HATE these stolen valor fuckwits with a white hot passion, GGJohn Jan 2016 #3
I can't imagine being in such a low place in my life... TipTok Jan 2016 #56
This decision demeans the value of all medals. Why the hell give them out to the courageous..... zwyziec Jan 2016 #4
About 2,400,000 results to "buy war medals" online. In America even poser-asswipes are Free. Sunlei Jan 2016 #35
Not to me. It devalues the person wearing it without earning it. Elmer S. E. Dump Jan 2016 #50
George W. Bush signed it into law hibbing Jan 2016 #5
Sounds like false advertising to me. Liberty Belle Jan 2016 #6
One little correction with your post. GGJohn Jan 2016 #7
It's surely a form of perjury to wear one on a witness stand dickthegrouch Jan 2016 #18
Good point. Is perjury free speech, too? marble falls Jan 2016 #23
Exactly: it is false, misleading behavious with the deliberate intent to deceive. Nihil Jan 2016 #31
I understand why it's legal, branford Jan 2016 #8
And the calling out should be frequent, public, and loud. nt tblue37 Jan 2016 #11
Pathetic... Deuce Jan 2016 #9
Bad decision roscoeroscoe Jan 2016 #10
Your free speech _is_ a false statement to your opponent. n/t jtuck004 Jan 2016 #13
I have to grit my teeth and support this decision. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2016 #12
Such bull...free speech my ass. SoapBox Jan 2016 #14
Tar and feathers are too. n/t jtuck004 Jan 2016 #15
Ha - I was thinking along the same lines. Feel free to steal some valor, but don't come jonno99 Jan 2016 #52
What about wearing unearned sports jerseys or Nascar patches? Democat Jan 2016 #16
No, this really IS Calvin Johnson! JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2016 #19
That either is Johnson, or is going to prison Democat Jan 2016 #20
Purple heart = a sport jersey? I doanthinso. marble falls Jan 2016 #24
Unless the person wearing the purple heart is trying to claim benefits or authority Democat Jan 2016 #28
So the military just sells medals en masse like the NFL sells jerseys?? Blue_Tires Jan 2016 #30
No, because that violates trademark malthaussen Jan 2016 #42
2005 Law was struck down by SCOTUS in 2012 Kennah Jan 2016 #17
This is like flag burning-a nasty but protected speech Gothmog Jan 2016 #32
next up: Javaman Jan 2016 #33
Good, Bush Empire made some absurd laws. Strike down every anti-America law Bush shoved on us. Sunlei Jan 2016 #34
Witness providing false testimony? Valhallakey Jan 2016 #37
No clear indication he lied on the stand. Eugene Jan 2016 #54
Couldn't the attorneys have questioned him about those medals on the stand? EndElectoral Jan 2016 #38
I reserve the right MosheFeingold Jan 2016 #39
Ha - excellent! nt jonno99 Jan 2016 #53
Ok. What about police badges? Military uniforms? Free speech, right? Xipe Totec Jan 2016 #40
You are free to wear military uniforms if you want - look on Ebay Democat Jan 2016 #44
I understand why it's free speech Bradical79 Jan 2016 #41
It Seems To Me RobinA Jan 2016 #45
I suppose that it would depend on whether they actually made any statements about it. Xithras Jan 2016 #48
Gee, and I was suspended in high school for that. malthaussen Jan 2016 #43
Well actually, many military medals are "given" . . FairWinds Jan 2016 #47
I have absolutely no problem with this - as long as the "wearer" agrees to jonno99 Jan 2016 #51
yell at them yes. expose and heckle them yes, throw em in jail maybe not dembotoz Jan 2016 #55
 

Feeling the Bern

(3,839 posts)
22. That's a crime. Putting on fake medals doesn't affect a person's health
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 08:19 AM
Jan 2016

Fake medical crap can kill someone.

Nice strawman.

LisaL

(44,967 posts)
25. Did I say I was going to participate in any actual medical procedures?
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 08:32 AM
Jan 2016

Would it just be o'key to walk around with false ID badge?

 

Feeling the Bern

(3,839 posts)
26. Fake IDs are illegal. Fake medals aren't.
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 08:51 AM
Jan 2016

Ask any underage kid in a bar when they get busted with a fake.

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
46. One is a statement or claim. The other is an action.
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 03:17 PM
Jan 2016

You can put on an ID saying you're an MD and walk down the road with it, you can go shopping with it, and you can wear it to work. Heck, you probably could actually go to a hospital with it, without breaking the law.

But the moment you try to treat a patient, you're committing a crime. Not because you wore the ID, but because you are attempting to practice medicine illegally. The ID isn't the crime, but it would become evidence against you during your prosecution.

Similarly, you can buy and wear a soldiers uniform, tell people you fought in 10 wars, saved 300 lives, and earned the Purple Heart, Bronze Star, and were a Navy SEAL, and you're not breaking any laws. But the moment you try to walk onto a military base wearing that uniform, or you try to claim benefits from those false claims, you're committing a crime. Again, not because of your fake uniform or your statements, but because you're committing an act that would have been illegal whether you were wearing the uniform or not.

forest444

(5,902 posts)
2. "President George W. Bush signed it into law in 2006"
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 12:56 AM
Jan 2016

And who better to sign such a law, than Mr. Mission Accomplished himself.

Joe Bacon

(5,163 posts)
29. President Sock In A Jockstrap Strikes again!
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 09:26 AM
Jan 2016

Every time I see a picture of President Asshole in his flight suit, makes me sick.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
3. I fucking HATE these stolen valor fuckwits with a white hot passion,
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 12:57 AM
Jan 2016

If they can't be criminally charged, then they need to be called out each and every time and publicly shamed mercilessy.

Oh, did I mention that I fucking hate these stolen valor fuckwits?

 

TipTok

(2,474 posts)
56. I can't imagine being in such a low place in my life...
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 04:52 PM
Jan 2016

... that I would gain some satisfaction from that.

Disgusting...

zwyziec

(173 posts)
4. This decision demeans the value of all medals. Why the hell give them out to the courageous.....
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 12:59 AM
Jan 2016

if any asswipe can wear it to deceive everyone else?

hibbing

(10,089 posts)
5. George W. Bush signed it into law
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 01:09 AM
Jan 2016

Mr Codpiece flightsuit himself.....interesting. I agree though, total dick move, but free speech.


Peace

Liberty Belle

(9,531 posts)
6. Sounds like false advertising to me.
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 01:12 AM
Jan 2016

Seems to me it should be illegal for anything other than maybe a Halloween costume. If you're seriously trying to pass yourself off as having won those medals, it shouldn't be allowed.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
7. One little correction with your post.
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 01:17 AM
Jan 2016

Medals aren't won, they're earned and awarded, otherwise, I generally agree with you.

dickthegrouch

(3,168 posts)
18. It's surely a form of perjury to wear one on a witness stand
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 05:27 AM
Jan 2016

Talk about lying in court.
A witness has sworn an oath to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Wearing an unearned medal violates at least two components of that oath. Throw his ass in jail for perjury.

 

Nihil

(13,508 posts)
31. Exactly: it is false, misleading behavious with the deliberate intent to deceive.
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 10:09 AM
Jan 2016

In a play or a film? Fine.

Fancy dress party? Fine.

Any other scenario where the standard is to pretend to be someone/something else? Fine.

In the witness box for a trial? WTF? That is a most blatant attempt to deceive and influence.



 

branford

(4,462 posts)
8. I understand why it's legal,
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 01:19 AM
Jan 2016

however that in no way means I approve of such disrespectful behavior. While the government cannot punish such conduct, the public may certainly shame, ignore, and castigate such unpleasant and dishonorable people.

Further, any attempts to gain benefit from the government or private sector by lying about an earned medal or other award still might be prosecuted as fraud and related civil and even criminal conduct.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
12. I have to grit my teeth and support this decision.
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 02:41 AM
Jan 2016

I loathe assholes like Swisher...but you have to err on the side of protecting the 1st Amendment when there's a conflict like this.

That said, if I were on the jury at the trial of a veteran who beat the shit out of a "stolen valor" jackass, I'd probably refuse to convict him/her. It would be wrong and I have no doubt I'd feel guilty...but I just might do it.

jonno99

(2,620 posts)
52. Ha - I was thinking along the same lines. Feel free to steal some valor, but don't come
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 04:03 PM
Jan 2016

crying to me when you get your @ss wupped...

Democat

(11,617 posts)
16. What about wearing unearned sports jerseys or Nascar patches?
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 04:40 AM
Jan 2016

Did they want to make those illegal as well?

Democat

(11,617 posts)
28. Unless the person wearing the purple heart is trying to claim benefits or authority
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 09:24 AM
Jan 2016

How is it different from a free speech standpoint.

One takes far more sacrifice to acquire, and I respect that, but who is harmed if someone dresses up as a soldier for fun?

Would you also make kids dressing up and playing army illegal?

malthaussen

(17,174 posts)
42. No, because that violates trademark
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 12:37 PM
Jan 2016

Or some such. The point being, there's money in those jerseys, in the medals not so much.

-- Mal

Kennah

(14,222 posts)
17. 2005 Law was struck down by SCOTUS in 2012
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 04:43 AM
Jan 2016
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Alvarez

I am more than a bit fuzzy as to where is the there here.

Yes, these people are fucksticks, but then so too was Clarence Brandenburg.

Gothmog

(144,832 posts)
32. This is like flag burning-a nasty but protected speech
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 10:34 AM
Jan 2016

The court is correct in the analysis. The best defense to this conduct is not criminal sanctions but sunlight

Javaman

(62,490 posts)
33. next up:
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 10:38 AM
Jan 2016

right wing wanna-be's chat about the best chest candy to put on ones fake uniform for this falls fashion.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
34. Good, Bush Empire made some absurd laws. Strike down every anti-America law Bush shoved on us.
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 10:41 AM
Jan 2016

To pretend one is decorated military is always silly/childish- but 'wannabe hero' IS Free Speech.

 

Valhallakey

(70 posts)
37. Witness providing false testimony?
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 11:17 AM
Jan 2016

I would have thought in this particular case, since he was wearing the medal while on the witness stand testifying, it should be considered in this context. A medal brings credibility to his testimony and implies something to the Jurors that is false.

Eugene

(61,779 posts)
54. No clear indication he lied on the stand.
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 04:15 PM
Jan 2016

He lied to the defendant and failed to tell the court he was lying to the defendant.
This would have been devastating to his credibility had the defense lawyers
known it.

Perjury is rarely prosecuted and this case only skirts the boundaries.

EndElectoral

(4,213 posts)
38. Couldn't the attorneys have questioned him about those medals on the stand?
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 11:31 AM
Jan 2016

They were obviously worn to influence the jury and yet were being worn fraudently.

Democat

(11,617 posts)
44. You are free to wear military uniforms if you want - look on Ebay
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 12:48 PM
Jan 2016

You cannot claim to be in the military and try to benefit from that, but you can dress up all you want.

Would you ban civil war reenactments because those men aren't really soldiers?

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
41. I understand why it's free speech
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 12:32 PM
Jan 2016

you can wear whatever you want. But if it's being used to deceive people (like wearing the unearned medals on the witness stand in court), I don't understand why perjury, fraud, and other existing laws wouldn't apply to people wearing unearned military medals.

RobinA

(9,884 posts)
45. It Seems To Me
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 12:59 PM
Jan 2016

that the witness stand is about the dumbest place to try to pull a stunt like that. Couple questions from a lawyer and you either commit perjury or every word out of your mouth is impugned when you admit you never earned the Purple Heart you are wearing.

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
48. I suppose that it would depend on whether they actually made any statements about it.
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 03:27 PM
Jan 2016

I never had any interest in serving in the military and never served. But if I were called to testify and court and showed up in full Army dress, my choice of clothing wouldn't be a crime. It's just cloth.

On the other hand, if I were providing expert witness testimony based on my experiences as a soldier, or if an attorney asked me about my service directly and I made something up, I would be committing perjury.

It would only be perjury if the witness directly lied under oath, or if the misrepresentation of their military background added something to their testimony (expert witness or experience) that wouldn't have otherwise been present. If the witness is testifying in regards to something unrelated to their (false) military experience, the misrepresentation should have no real impact on the trial and shouldn't be grounds for a perjury charge.

malthaussen

(17,174 posts)
43. Gee, and I was suspended in high school for that.
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 12:39 PM
Jan 2016

Well, wearing unearned medal ribbons. Where was the SCOTUS in 1971?

(One of the school counselors was a retired LCOL and took umbrage at the display)

-- Mal

 

FairWinds

(1,717 posts)
47. Well actually, many military medals are "given" . .
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 03:26 PM
Jan 2016

that is, to officer buddies for doing nothing much at all.
Happened all the time in Vietnam.
Personally, I threw mine away in disgust a long time ago.

jonno99

(2,620 posts)
51. I have absolutely no problem with this - as long as the "wearer" agrees to
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 03:53 PM
Jan 2016

empty bedpans at a VA hospital for a year...

dembotoz

(16,783 posts)
55. yell at them yes. expose and heckle them yes, throw em in jail maybe not
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 04:18 PM
Jan 2016

unless it provides them with something that could not happen with out it...ie va loan? cause that would be open fraud.

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