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appalachiablue

(41,131 posts)
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 06:16 PM Jan 2016

Clinton Tries to Catch Up with Passion for Sanders in Iowa

Source: New York Times

DES MOINES — Iowa Democrats are displaying far less passion for Hillary Clinton than for Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont three weeks before the presidential caucuses, creating anxiety inside the Clinton campaign as she scrambles to energize supporters and to court wavering voters. The enthusiasm gap spilled abundantly into view in recent days, from the cheering crowds and emotional outpourings that greeted Mr. Sanders, and in interviews with more than 50 Iowans at campaign stops for both candidates. Voters have mobbed Mr. Sanders at events since Friday, some jumping over chairs to shake his hand, snap a selfie or thank him for speaking about the middle class. “Did you get to touch him?” asked one woman who could not get close enough after an event here on Saturday.
“We love you, Bernie! Enough is enough!” Nathan Arentsen, 29, cheered several times at another event in Des Moines as he stomped his feet to signal support for the candidate.

Audiences for Mrs. Clinton have yet to grow to consistently match those for Mr. Sanders, and the typical reception for her was evident on Monday in Waterloo. About 300 people welcomed Mrs. Clinton enthusiastically and listened to her diligently, but many of them, still unsure, rebuffed Clinton aides trying to get them to sign “commitment cards” to caucus for her. “I personally want to find out if she’s trustworthy or not,” said Katie Bailey, 71, of Cedar Falls. “There’s so much un-trust. I want to eyeball her.” Matt Fagerlind, 36, also attended Mrs. Clinton’s Waterloo event, but he found himself thinking about how Mr. Sanders’s rallies had the same uplifting emotional intensity as Barack Obama’s in 2008. “I think Sanders is going to give her a good run,” he said, describing himself as unmoved by Mrs. Clinton and planning to vote for Mr. Sanders. (Ultimately, a Clinton aide said, about half of the audience signed commitment cards.) With a major new poll showing Mr. Sanders closing within three points of her in Iowa, Mrs. Clinton and her aides have dropped any pretense that they can ignore Mr. Sanders or treat him like a gadfly. They have become zealous and combative as they try new ways to undercut his high favorability ratings.

On Monday, Mrs. Clinton proposed raising the income tax by four percentage points for people earning more than $5 million a year, an idea virtually out of the Sanders playbook. At the same time, she is going hard on the offensive on gun control and health care, undertaking relentless attacks on Mr. Sanders that can feel somewhat forced, like portraying him as an ally of the National Rifle Association. To amplify her criticisms, she has even taken to calling in to MSNBC news shows that are popular with Mr. Sanders’s liberal base, a level of engagement with the news media that she has rarely displayed, especially with erstwhile critics like Chris Matthews.
She is also increasingly trying to tap into the popularity of President Obama and former President Bill Clinton after insisting for months that she was not running for a third term for either man. She held her Waterloo event with Mr. Obama’s transportation secretary, Anthony Foxx, a North Carolina politician whose endorsement had little resonance here, other than his ties to the president. And Mr. Clinton is being dispatched to Iowa on Friday for his second campaign swing in two weeks.

Clinton advisers said they believed Iowa was a single-digit race and have been warning supporters against complacency, admitting that Mr. Sanders’s operation in the state was better financed and organized than they had expected.
On Saturday, they began trying to undercut his electability with a television ad casting Mrs. Clinton as the strongest possible Democratic nominee, even though some polls show Mr. Sanders would perform well in matchups against Republicans like Donald J. Trump and Senator Ted Cruz of Texas. A Sanders victory in Iowa would be a shock given the institutional advantages held by Mrs. Clinton, a former secretary of state and a favorite of the Iowa Democratic establishment. It would also set off significant momentum for Mr. Sanders heading into the Feb. 9 primary in New Hampshire, where he is well known as a senator from neighboring Vermont and holds a slight lead in the polls.
Several of Mrs. Clinton’s advisers, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss the race candidly, said that they were anxious but not panicking about Iowa, saying that they believed she would still deliver a victory here.


Read more: http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/clinton-tries-to-catch-up-with-passion-for-sanders-in-iowa/ar-CCqM1k



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Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont Rally in downtown Des Moines, Iowa, 2015.
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Clinton Tries to Catch Up with Passion for Sanders in Iowa (Original Post) appalachiablue Jan 2016 OP
Everytime I Listen to a Cheering Audience for Hillary gordyfl Jan 2016 #1
And yet, Bernin Jan 2016 #14
The thing that I find curious about Clinton's most breathless supporters Gene Debs Jan 2016 #18
Exactly.. ejbr Jan 2016 #19
It sounds canned to me. nt mhatrw Jan 2016 #26
Hello, moderators? PSPS Jan 2016 #2
Ground control to what's the matter?? elias49 Jan 2016 #3
This analysis piece doesn't belong in LBN. PSPS Jan 2016 #7
Please switch to departure clearance 121.789 and confirm you have information whiskey. pangaia Jan 2016 #6
That second paragraph is worth its weight in gold humor. pangaia Jan 2016 #4
No offense to the fine people of Waterloo DefenseLawyer Jan 2016 #16
This needs to be in GD-P djean111 Jan 2016 #5
OPs currently in LBN appalachiablue Jan 2016 #10
Good luck, Hill the Shill Still In Wisconsin Jan 2016 #8
Why is everyone cranky about WHERE this post goes???? onecent Jan 2016 #9
Because some people want it hidden. tabasco Jan 2016 #11
Bingo! Bernin Jan 2016 #13
Ditto the Bingo! SoapBox Jan 2016 #17
What is there to get passionate about with Clinton? Cassiopeia Jan 2016 #12
Yep!!!!! Go Bernie. onecent Jan 2016 #20
4 years of kissing republican ass! tabasco Jan 2016 #27
good luck with that mindwalker_i Jan 2016 #15
When given a choice between Bernie Sanders and a center-right candidate that pretends R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2016 #21
Poor Clinton shawn703 Jan 2016 #22
Too much Clintons! earthside Jan 2016 #23
Now it's apparently the Inevitable Family, as if LiberalElite Jan 2016 #25
If ever there was anything that ain't gonna happen, it's LiberalElite Jan 2016 #24

gordyfl

(598 posts)
1. Everytime I Listen to a Cheering Audience for Hillary
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 06:26 PM
Jan 2016

it sounds like they're all women. Bernie's cheers come from mixed men and women. You can hear it. It's obvious.

 

Bernin

(311 posts)
14. And yet,
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 07:05 PM
Jan 2016

I know several feminist females that refuse to vote for her in the primary or the general.
So, who really is her base?

 

Gene Debs

(582 posts)
18. The thing that I find curious about Clinton's most breathless supporters
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 07:15 PM
Jan 2016

is that they don't seem to be able to articulate many real concrete reasons why she should be President. They'll hold up examples of her achievements that she never actually did ("She fixed healthcare!&quot , or some such nonsense, since they definitely can't hold up her public policy record to scrutiny. Sanders' supporters can present a detailed breakdown of his support for progressive values going back decades, whereas Clinton's most enthusiastic backers offer up little more than a vague sense that she's awesome. Their support for her seems mostly visceral.

ejbr

(5,856 posts)
19. Exactly..
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 07:34 PM
Jan 2016

and until recently, they would hold up her poll numbers as evidence of her being a better candidate; complete lack of substance.

PSPS

(13,593 posts)
7. This analysis piece doesn't belong in LBN.
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 06:35 PM
Jan 2016
Post the latest news from reputable mainstream news websites and blogs. Important news of national interest only. No analysis or opinion pieces.


This is GD-P material.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
4. That second paragraph is worth its weight in gold humor.
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 06:32 PM
Jan 2016


- "..On Monday, Mrs. Clinton proposed raising the income tax by four percentage points for people earning more than $5 million a year, an idea virtually out of the Sanders playbook. .."
Well not exactly.

-".. she has even taken to calling in to MSNBC news shows that are popular with Mr. Sanders’s liberal base,..'




"...undertaking relentless attacks on Mr. Sanders that can feel somewhat forced, like portraying him as an ally of the National Rifle Association..."



and my favorite,
"...She held her Waterloo event...."


 

DefenseLawyer

(11,101 posts)
16. No offense to the fine people of Waterloo
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 07:10 PM
Jan 2016

But no politician needs a headline about her "Waterloo event", although it is better than saying she was "meeting her Waterloo" constituency.

appalachiablue

(41,131 posts)
10. OPs currently in LBN
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 06:44 PM
Jan 2016

- 'Sanders: Clinton 'in serious trouble', (CNN), 8:47 pm, Mon. Jan. 11

-'New Poll: Sanders Moves Ahead of Clinton in Iowa', (TPM), 9:41 am, Tues. Jan. 12

- 'Quinnipiac Poll: Sanders Surges to Retake Lead in Iowa', (The Hill), 1:45 pm, Tues., Jan. 12

Are you planning to move/x-post these too or the one I just finished?

Cassiopeia

(2,603 posts)
12. What is there to get passionate about with Clinton?
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 06:58 PM
Jan 2016

4 years of endless scandal, both real and fictional?
4 years of brute force in the ME?
4 years of breaks and profits for the wealthiest, built on the backs of those with the least?
4 years of favors owed to all the friends she made running her foundation?

Yeah, I can imagine it's hard to drum up any passion from the voters on that platform. Make no mistake, the above will be exactly what we face if Clinton gets anywhere near the WH again.

mindwalker_i

(4,407 posts)
15. good luck with that
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 07:09 PM
Jan 2016

hillary has one thing that can get people exited: she's a woman. Granted that it would be cool to have a female president, but the rest of her is completely boring - none of her "positions" are exciting in the least.

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
21. When given a choice between Bernie Sanders and a center-right candidate that pretends
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 08:05 PM
Jan 2016

to be Bernie Sanders, the voters will choose Bernie Sanders every time.

earthside

(6,960 posts)
23. Too much Clintons!
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 09:01 PM
Jan 2016

Hillary, Bill, Chelsea ... what is it this time?

Three for the price of one?

There isn't much enthusiasm because being "the inevitable one" is not a thing to get excited about.
Why get enthusiastic when all the insiders are endorsing "the inevitable one" -- so who needs lowly you?

I, for one, cannot get enthusiastic about a candidate that is so boring and so retrograde.

Hillary cannot all of a sudden become an economic populist and "feel our pain" -- it's not who she is.
She, Bill and Chelsea are certified members of the upper tenth of the one percent and they look and talk like it.

Mrs. Clinton is likely to start falling behind now ... this is 2016 and we don't want a reprise of the 1990s.

LiberalElite

(14,691 posts)
25. Now it's apparently the Inevitable Family, as if
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 09:06 PM
Jan 2016

Oh, you don't like that one? How about this one? OR THIS ONE? Luckily they only had one child.

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