Clinton calls for new sanctions on Iran
Source: The Hill
Hours after the U.S. dropped sanctions on Iran as part of the nuclear deal, Democratic primary front-runner Hillary Clinton called for new sanctions on the nation for its ballistic missile program.
Clinton on Saturday praised President Obama for securing the safe return of four U.S. citizens and implementing the Iranian nuclear deal, but warned that all concerns about Iran are not assuaged.
Iran is still violating UN Security Council resolutions with its ballistic missile program, which should be met with new sanctions designations and firm resolve, she said.
These prisoners were held unjustly by a regime that continues to threaten the peace and security of the Middle East, Clinton added. Another American, Bob Levinson, still isnt home with his family. Clinton said, as president, her policy toward Iran would be to distrust and verify.
Read more: http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/266173-clinton-calls-for-new-sanctions-on-iran
saltpoint
(50,986 posts)unpopular among many progressives is the impression they have of her as a pro-war Democrat.
She's making a mistake in reminding them of this with the new sanctions tough talk.
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,121 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!
awake
(3,226 posts)I am so tired of candidates who beat the drum of war.
TheBlackAdder
(28,167 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)forest444
(5,902 posts)And give up all his power in Washington?
She certainly wants his endorsement though.
EdwardBernays
(3,343 posts)Hillary's campaign manager is a lobbyist for weapons manufacturers and Saudi Arabia.
I'm sure there's no connection.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)Odin2005
(53,521 posts)Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)Or Bomb Bomb for short.
EdwardBernays
(3,343 posts)Love it
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)Hillary Bomb Bomb Iran McCain
mylye2222
(2,992 posts)No, it can't! Sauoudis are angels, isnt it!
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)of desperation.
padfun
(1,786 posts)It is a sight to see. I never expected her to turn into a turncoat like this so close to the primaries. I really misjudged her.
Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)Who's going to be your running mate? Joe Lieberman?
Schema Thing
(10,283 posts)Nyan
(1,192 posts)VP pick's gonna be a likable one. And voters are supposed to be fooled.
Marty McGraw
(1,024 posts)She's at that delusional stuck mode thinking that the primary is already a done deal and now the all to usu. pander to the right juggle begins.
Did the citizens of Iran not give enough facebook likes?
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)tishaLA
(14,176 posts)Gregorian
(23,867 posts)Defensenews seems to think it's not an issue.
http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/commentary/2015/09/14/irans-nuclear-ballistic-missile-threat-not-horizon/72254428/
"Faithfully implementing the Iran nuclear deal and following closely the facts on the ground will ensure that the specter of Iranian nuclear missiles continues to fade below the horizon."
Then this link says it is a big problem: http://www.iranintelligence.com/missiles
"In violation of a United Nations ban on testing of missiles that could possibly deliver a nuclear warhead, Iran tested a new missile known as the Emad in early October 2015. The Emad is a precision-guided long range missile, and is the first guided weapon in Iran's arsenal capable of striking Israel. It is estimated that the missile has a range of over 1,000 miles and an accuracy range of within 1,600 feet."
So I don't have a clue.
cheapdate
(3,811 posts)but in fairness, any sovereign nation has a right -- an obligation even -- to develop the capability to defend itself.
bananas
(27,509 posts)Just because a country has the right to defend itself doesn't mean it can build any weapons system it wants - there are numerous restrictions on weapons techologies and capabilities.
cheapdate
(3,811 posts)A UN Security Council resolution in 2010 imposed restrictions on Iran, and on Iran only. Separately, multiple Security Council resolutions impose restrictions on North Korea. Nothing in the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons restricts or forbids a country from developing missile systems -- the treaty speaks only on the acquisition or transfer of fissile material.
Iran's ballistic missile program does violate Security Council Resolution 1929. I don't dispute that.
But I stand by my earlier point. A sovereign nation that's neither prepared nor capable of defending its territory faces a considerable risk of losing its identity. We might not like it when an unfriendly country develops and tests weapons or trains and exercises its military, but that's their right as a sovereign nation, just as it's our right.
The Nuclear Agreement with Iran substantially satisfies the very reason that Security Council Resolution 1929 was passed in the first place. The justification therefore no longer exists for prohibitions on Iran's having systems "capable" of delivery nuclear warheads.
For Pete's sake! Iran is by all accounts complying fully with its commitments under the Nuclear Agreement. We should be doing everything possible to support the astonishing progress that's been made -- even suspending enforcement of portions of the earlier Security Council resolution.
That's just my opinion.
bananas
(27,509 posts)For example on Syria and its chemical weapons program:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_2235
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_2118
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_2209
Many country-specific resolutions have been passed in response to natural disasters and other humanitarian crises.
Don't know where you got the idea the UN never passed a resolution on "a country" - maybe you watch too much Fox News or other propaganda sources.
The Iran nuclear deal is not legally binding, so it's completely justifiable to restrict Iran's missiles.
And there have long been restrictions on how countries may defend themselves - there have been restrictions on missiles themselves, as well as restrictions on the warheads they might carry, including chemical and biological weapons.
Some current restrictions on missiles in other countries are in the HCOC and MTCR:
Missile Technology Control Regime
The Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR) is an informal and voluntary partnership between 34 countries to prevent the proliferation of missile and unmanned aerial vehicle technology capable of carrying a 500 kg payload for at least 300 km.
<snip>
International Code of Conduct against Ballistic Missile Proliferation
The Hague Code of Conduct against Ballistic Missile Proliferation (HCOC), was established on 25 November 2002 as an arrangement to prevent the proliferation of ballistic missiles.
<snip>
Since the signing and entering into force of the HCOC Code in November 2002 in The Hague, (Netherlands) the number of signatories has increased from 96 to 134 (132 UN members, the Cook Islands and the Holy See).[1]
<snip>
The ABM Treaty was in force for thirty years, it restricted missiles that could shoot down missiles:
The Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty (ABM Treaty or ABMT) was a treaty between the United States and the Soviet Union on the limitation of the anti-ballistic missile (ABM) systems used in defending areas against ballistic missile-delivered nuclear weapons. Under the terms of the treaty, each party was limited to two ABM complexes, each of which was to be limited to 100 anti-ballistic missiles.[1]
Signed in 1972, it was in force for the next 30 years.[2] Following the dissolution of the Soviet Union, in 1997 the United States and four former Soviet republics agreed to succeed to the treaty. In June 2002 the United States withdrew from the treaty, leading to its termination.
<snip>
Background
Throughout the late 1950s and into the 1960s, the United States and the Soviet Union had been developing missile systems with the ability to shoot down incoming ICBM warheads. During this period, the US considered the defense of the US as part of reducing the overall damage inflicted in a full nuclear exchange. As part of this defense, Canada and the US established the North American Air Defense Command (now called North American Aerospace Defense Command).
By the early 1950s, US research on the Nike Zeus missile system had developed to the point where small improvements would allow it to be used as the basis of an operational ABM system. Work started on a short-range, high-speed counterpart known as Sprint to provide defense for the ABM sites themselves. By the mid-1960s, both systems showed enough promise to start development of base selection for a limited ABM system dubbed Sentinel. In 1967, the US announced that Sentinel itself would be scaled down to the smaller and less expensive Safeguard. Soviet doctrine called for development of its own ABM system and return to strategic parity with the US. This was achieved with the operational deployment of the A-35 ABM system and its successors, which remain operational to this day.
<snip>
cheapdate
(3,811 posts)musiclawyer
(2,335 posts)Stupid is the only word I can think of.
jamzrockz
(1,333 posts)cos nothing is going to stop Hillary from getting the nomination. There is a huge swat of democratic voters who are going to vote on name recognition alone and add in the die hard fans and the moderate republicans that this sort of talk appeal to and she would win the nomination. It might be close but I don't see this pivot to the right derailing the coronation.
Cosmocat
(14,558 posts)and have thought this way all along, as someone who is going to vote for Bernie.
But, if this is real ...
I just don't get it.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)Pivoting to the hard right before a Democratic primary doesn't seem to be a smart move.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)Purveyor
(29,876 posts)wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)ask you to be his SOS if you keep this up.
pscot
(21,024 posts)SMC22307
(8,090 posts)Geronimoe
(1,539 posts)Bernie is too old and sickly.
Bernie wants to destroy your healthcare.
Pro-war Hillary will protect you.
Nyan
(1,192 posts)Andrea Greenspan would love to spin it that way.
saltpoint
(50,986 posts)Bernie Sanders may very deeply share a conviction that the Obama administration's efforts to negotiate with Iran are far superior to the Republicans' blood-mongering on the same issue.
This move by Hillary Clinton places her with the Republican opposition to that treaty. Again, because it is startling on one hand and not startling at all on the other: This move by Hillary clinton places her with the Republican opposition to that treaty.
I have no idea what imbecile urged her to go this route. But it is spectacularly bad advice.
Renew Deal
(81,844 posts)moondust
(19,958 posts)Did she by any chance discuss this first with anybody in the U.S. or Europe familiar with the current agreement and their ICBM status? Being a former SOS, she should know people who could advise her.
4now
(1,596 posts)I don't know if I can support someone who is just going to do whatever Bibi tells her to.
DesertFlower
(11,649 posts)we went to iran. those sanctions were really hurting the people.
Leontius
(2,270 posts)that the US would not hesitate to install new sanctions against Iran based on that behavior. Iran has supposedly violated mandates on missile testing therefore the call for new sanctions is a correct call. It's not war mongering, it's not blood lust, it's called diplomacy.
saltpoint
(50,986 posts)Secretary of State. Someone else is.
Leontius
(2,270 posts)Iran's compliance with the nuclear treaty does not give them a pass on violations of other mandates. This is the explicit position of the State Department in regard to future sanctions imposed for Iranian behavior of non-compliance.
saltpoint
(50,986 posts)ill-timed. The administration worked long weeks and months on that treaty.
Mrs. Clinton is no longer in the administration.
Leontius
(2,270 posts)The stated policy of this administration is that sanctions will be imposed for what the US considers violation of other mandates as a separate issue from the nuclear deal. If Iran is in violation of the missile mandate then the imposition of sanctions may be the cost of such violations. The fact that Hillary Clinton is no longer SoS does not change the fact that she may speak her opinion of what US policy should be in response to such violations and in this case her view and the State Dept. are the same.
saltpoint
(50,986 posts)discussion has been undertaken by key principals toward a more balanced relationship with Iran:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/world-news/iranian-sanctions-ending
There is also the fierce opposition to and deceitful haymaking of said negotiations -- which cover many more points, by the way -- by what in past times was called the "loyal opposition." Senator Cotton of Arkansas, chief among this group, has only the 'opposition' component mastered. He's not apparently working on the 'loyal' component.
And while Cotton et al have their red choir singing loudly, a quieter Kerry has been attempting to stitch together a more balanced future for U.S.-Iran relations.
bananas
(27,509 posts)It's not even a signed document.
saltpoint
(50,986 posts)individual. Western diplomats and others who regard him as significantly capable and well-informed appear to be correct.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/17/rouhani-targets-economic-boom-for-iran-as-he-hails-golden-nuclear-deal
Statements by Rouhani against the backdrop of recent events, not least the release of prisoners and the thwarting of Benjamin Netanyahu, who had conspired with U.S. Republicans to undermine the Obama administration's work in the Middle East generally and with Iran especially, portend improvement between the United States and Iran.
Another imperative in the backdrop is U.S. relations with Saudi Arabia. There is acute tension between Saudi Arabia and Iran. I doubt very much that global economists have failed to register that point.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)Chemisse
(30,803 posts)She either is too much of a hawk, or she feels she has to play the part of hawk. Either way, it can get us into wars.
We just barely forged a delicate relationship with Iran and she wants to blast it to shreds. (Did Bibi sent her a donation check?).
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Haim Saban who partnered with Adelson for a time last spring in Pro-Israel campaign has contributed heavily to her campaign now and in 2008, he pledged millions to the Clinton Foundation while she was SoS and his wife Cheryl Saban is on the board of directors of the Clinton Foundation
https://www.clintonfoundation.org/about/board-directors
more about Saban -Adelson who parted company last fall for 'political' reasons
In a joint interview from Las Vegas with Israels Channel 2 TV, Adelson suggested that he and Saban use their influence, each in his own party, to advance the cause of Israel. Our interest is to take care of Israels interests in the United States. Period, over and out, Saban added.
Read more: http://forward.com/news/israel/321793/haim-saban-dumps-pro-israel-coalition-over-sheldon-adelsons-far-right-wing/#ixzz3xUpBB2wI
IOW Adelson uses his influence among Republicans and Saban among Democratic party members
brush
(53,740 posts)Seems Adelson, Saban and Clinton herself should've known better but I guess trying to disrupt the Iran deal just as it's being implemented was more important to them.
It is such a horrendously stupid policy position though to take just two weeks before Iowa.
Are we seeing deja vue 2008?
PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)would figure a pro gun pro pharma would drop a landmine on her foot coated with vicodin
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)totodeinhere
(13,056 posts)She supports sanctions because she opposes war. What would you do about Iran's attempt to take over the entire Middle East? Calling her a "warmongering POS" is an ignorant thing to say. And I don't even support her for the nomination but I want to be fair.
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)Quit listening to Neocon propaganda.
Iran should be our natural allies in the region. They aren't because of Saudi oil money and AIPAC bullshit.
underthematrix
(5,811 posts)already in place and will remain in place. The Obama administration is considering other sanctions on other issues.
This was already addressed and tweeted out extensively over at the Obama Diary.
Bernin
(311 posts)She's tone deaf and out of touch with the modern world.
Bye Hillary.
Enjoy Obscurity...
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)ebayfool
(3,411 posts)snip -
Shane Bauer knows firsthand what its like to be a prisoner in Iran. And after news broke Saturday morning about the exchange that delivered four imprisoned Americans, he had plenty to say about Hillary Clintons response to the developments in Iran.
In a series of tweets posted late Saturday night, Bauer, who is now a senior reporter at Mother Jones, called Clintons appeal for more sanctions totally irresponsible and accused her of constantly inflaming tensions with Iran.
Seriously, why would Hillary call for more sanctions *now*? As far as we know, 4 of the Americans are still in Iran. Totally irresponsible, he tweeted.
Bauer also tweeted that while he was imprisoned in Iran, whenever I heard Hillarys voice, my heart would sink. All she ever does with Iran is inflame tensions.
Uponthegears
(1,499 posts)Who is it WHO is turning against OUR PRESIDENT?
I am old now. I voted for George McGovern in the first presidential election where I was eligible to vote. I worked on his campaign. I voted for EVERY Democratic party nominee since and, at the very least, worked phone banks for all of them. I lost friends who will still not talk to me because I told them their "principles" were going to put W in the White House. Even though my life has been dedicated to ending capital punishment and the neo-slavery of the American criminal justice system, I voted for (expletive) Bill Clinton even after he flew back to Arkansas in the middle of his campaign to preside over the torture and murder of Ricky Rector.
This was the last straw.
For the sake of this party, for the sake of this country, for the sake of this world, I beg Secretary Clinton to immediately change her position.
elias49
(4,259 posts)- but Sanders has to stay alert for her shiv.
4dsc
(5,787 posts)She is getting very desperate now.
mylye2222
(2,992 posts)In order to " highlight" et no-risky SoS tenure. Everytime Secretary Kerry achieves a goal, on peacefull manners, she tries to undermine his work. Juvenile politics.
MBS
(9,688 posts)I'd only add that in doing so, she's sabotaging herself, too.
Beacool
(30,247 posts)It appears that the administration agrees with Hillary's assessment.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35338901
MBS
(9,688 posts)not inconsistent with what has always felt like her hawkish tendencies, but .gosh.. the TIMING- just as the Iran deal is implemented. . why? why now?
mylye2222
(2,992 posts)LiberalLovinLug
(14,164 posts)that she should not be included in the kumbaya crowd in the Democratic party. She's tough don'tchaknow.
OKNancy
(41,832 posts)I mean, those who say she is undermining Obama and Kerry?
http://news.yahoo.com/us-imposes-sanctions-linked-irans-ballistic-missile-program-153440592.html
Beacool
(30,247 posts)Carry on, I'm sure there will be something else to be incensed about..........
Gothmog
(144,919 posts)Beacool
(30,247 posts)Hillary was not undermining Obama, nor "warmongering".
gwheezie
(3,580 posts)But now the meme is Hillary had inside knowledge. You can't make this up. My question is will Bernie supporters turn on him if he continues enforcing the agreement we have with Iran?
Uponthegears
(1,499 posts)so you get my mea culpa. As someone who was distraught over Hillary's speech, I wanted to be the first to say that this was a well-nigh brilliant political move.
I will take just a bit of time to preserve what scant amount of dignity that I have left by pointing out that what Hillary said and what Obama imposed are materially different. Hillary called for sanctions on Iran, the Treasury Department imposed sanctions on businesses violating still-enforceable trade restrictions on the sale of missile parts. What Hillary called for foments war and alienates all of our allies, save one. What Obama did is right in line with long-standing policies. Now before you get all in "sour grapes never cry" mode, let me say that this difference doesn't matter at all in the world of skilled politics.
Let's start with the punch line . . . Hillary does not want sanctions imposed on Iran. She wants exactly what Obama wants. But here is where what I consider absolute brilliance begins. By using the language she did, she grabbed the "establishment" GOP by the short hairs and whacked them upside the back of their head. When that comment came out, what could the Rubio-to-center crowd do OTHER than say, "I stand with Hillary on this one?" That is an admission she could ride right up to election day. On the other hand, what could the Trump/Cruz/nutcase crowd do, say "We need to go to war over what is essentially nothing?" But it gets even better. By making her statement long enough before the Obama announcement that the GOP had to react before Obama had done anything, she practically robbed them blind of their standard "Obama hates America" line. Were that all, I would still call it brilliant, but there's more. By using the language she did (even if she didn't really mean it) and when she did, she has endeared herself to her Third Way base, other important Democratic Party constituencies, and middle of the road voters who have listened to months of anti-Obama's foreign policy propaganda from everyone from the TeaOP Congress to Netanyahu because they are left to believe that she is to the right of Obama vis a vis Iran.
Now I admit my insatiable ego would like me to believe that she did it to make DU Bernie supporters like myself look bad (because, of course, I count for that much - cue the heavy self-deprecating sarcasm), and while she certainly makes me eat my words, it would be pure hubris to think it had the first thing to do with me or any other DU poster. The fact is she did it to help her cause if she gets to the general election AND she pulled it off in glorious fashion.
I may prefer Bernie's policies over Hillary's policies, but credit where credit is due. She handled this like a pro.
If you are a Hillary supporter, you have every reason to cheer.
mike_c
(36,269 posts)...Israel would have been cut off decades ago. Double standards and hypocrisy-- it's the establishment way!