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MowCowWhoHow III

(2,103 posts)
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 08:35 PM Jan 2016

Clinton calls for new sanctions on Iran

Source: The Hill

Hours after the U.S. dropped sanctions on Iran as part of the nuclear deal, Democratic primary front-runner Hillary Clinton called for new sanctions on the nation for its ballistic missile program.

Clinton on Saturday praised President Obama for securing the safe return of four U.S. citizens and implementing the Iranian nuclear deal, but warned that all concerns about Iran are not assuaged.

“Iran is still violating UN Security Council resolutions with its ballistic missile program, which should be met with new sanctions designations and firm resolve,” she said.

“These prisoners were held unjustly by a regime that continues to threaten the peace and security of the Middle East,” Clinton added. “Another American, Bob Levinson, still isn’t home with his family.” Clinton said, as president, her policy toward Iran would be to “distrust and verify.

Read more: http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/266173-clinton-calls-for-new-sanctions-on-iran

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Clinton calls for new sanctions on Iran (Original Post) MowCowWhoHow III Jan 2016 OP
One of the reasons Hillary Clinton is saltpoint Jan 2016 #1
The Saudis must have sent her some $$$ under the table. Odin2005 Jan 2016 #38
Seriously... Hillary has been compromised. Time for that warmonger to just go away. InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2016 #54
Once a NeoCon alway a NeoCon awake Jan 2016 #2
Please tell me this is not a Tom Ridge "Code RED" call, which will just benefit the Republicans. nt TheBlackAdder Jan 2016 #3
Is she running for Netin'-Yahoo's job? Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2016 #4
Meh. Bibi'll never give that gig up. forest444 Jan 2016 #12
Bomb bomb Iran EdwardBernays Jan 2016 #5
I fucking hate Saudi Arabia. Do you happen to have a link? Is this Mook you're talking about? DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #30
Link EdwardBernays Jan 2016 #48
Like always, follow the money. Odin2005 Jan 2016 #39
+1 daleanime Jan 2016 #76
LOL we should call her Hillary Bomb Bomb Clinton Kalidurga Jan 2016 #56
Hahahahahahah EdwardBernays Jan 2016 #62
Hillary McCain? [n/t] Maedhros Jan 2016 #78
LOL even better Kalidurga Jan 2016 #80
Plus 1 mylye2222 Jan 2016 #61
Another shout Plucketeer Jan 2016 #6
Wow! She really is turning far right. padfun Jan 2016 #7
You only get three strikes, Mrs. Clinton Jack Rabbit Jan 2016 #8
I just threw up a little. Schema Thing Jan 2016 #10
Nah all the creepy neo-cons are kept out of sight. Nyan Jan 2016 #52
I get it... Marty McGraw Jan 2016 #9
Oh lookie: the warmonger is back truebluegreen Jan 2016 #11
terrible policy position nt tishaLA Jan 2016 #13
Just Googling, and Gregorian Jan 2016 #14
I'm with you on general cluelessness, cheapdate Jan 2016 #42
Hillary is correct - Iran insisted that the missile issue be negotiated seperately. bananas Jan 2016 #44
What restrictions are there on "a country"? cheapdate Jan 2016 #69
The UN is always passing resolutions on "a country" bananas Jan 2016 #81
Thanks for that. cheapdate Jan 2016 #83
She just lost the primary. musiclawyer Jan 2016 #15
I hope you didn't put money on it jamzrockz Jan 2016 #40
I tend to agree Cosmocat Jan 2016 #51
Wow. Is this the real Hillary, or did her advisers give her some very bad advice? BillZBubb Jan 2016 #16
REAL HILLARY. (n/t) SMC22307 Jan 2016 #21
K&R for neo-con, warmongering exposure. Purveyor Jan 2016 #17
watch it Hillary,Bernie will never wendylaroux Jan 2016 #18
I am so done with her pscot Jan 2016 #19
She's a danger. And she doesn't deserve to be anywhere NEAR the White House. (n/t) SMC22307 Jan 2016 #20
So we know the frames for Sunday debate Geronimoe Jan 2016 #22
I have no doubt Nyan Jan 2016 #57
Many of the people who will caucus for saltpoint Jan 2016 #23
Did she steal her statement from Mark Rubio? Renew Deal Jan 2016 #24
WTH? moondust Jan 2016 #25
I am sure going to miss Obama 4now Jan 2016 #26
i watched anthony bourdain a little while ago. DesertFlower Jan 2016 #27
Administration officials said in testimony before Congress that if Iran violated other mandates Leontius Jan 2016 #28
It's not diplomacy. Clinton is no longer saltpoint Jan 2016 #31
The administration has said they would do the same thing if Iran violated other agreements. Leontius Jan 2016 #33
I'm sorry. It was poorly conceived and saltpoint Jan 2016 #34
The nuclear deal is a total seperate agreement from the balistic missile question, Leontius Jan 2016 #36
Considered and cool-browed saltpoint Jan 2016 #49
Iran insisted these issues be negotiated separately, and the nuclear deal isn't a treaty. bananas Jan 2016 #45
President Rouhani is not an easily fooled saltpoint Jan 2016 #50
Nice job, Einstein. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #29
Now there is why I finally turned away from Clinton. Chemisse Jan 2016 #32
no however an associate of Sheldon Adelson's did azurnoir Jan 2016 #47
Exactamento! Sad to see, those two are pulling Hillary's strings brush Jan 2016 #66
Face Palm PatrynXX Jan 2016 #35
Fuck this warmongering POS. Odin2005 Jan 2016 #37
She is not calling for war. Sanctions are an alternative to war. totodeinhere Jan 2016 #67
"Iran's attempt to take over the entire Middle East?" No such thing. Odin2005 Jan 2016 #70
The calls for sanctions on Iran ballistic missle testing are underthematrix Jan 2016 #41
Hillary's Bushesq UPC scanner moment. Bernin Jan 2016 #43
What? Aren't her poll numbers sinking fast enough to suit her? n/t winter is coming Jan 2016 #46
Former Iran prisoner slams Clinton's call for new sanctions ebayfool Jan 2016 #53
So Uponthegears Jan 2016 #55
She'll have bandoleras across her bosom in debate tonight I guess elias49 Jan 2016 #58
WTF is wrong with this women 4dsc Jan 2016 #59
Typical HRC's sabotaging work. mylye2222 Jan 2016 #60
sadly, I think you've got a point MBS Jan 2016 #64
Typical of DU to talk without having all the facts. Beacool Jan 2016 #74
very depressing. MBS Jan 2016 #63
She has done that before! mylye2222 Jan 2016 #65
A nip in the bud, an attempt to quickly remind everyone LiberalLovinLug Jan 2016 #71
Is anyone embarrassed at all OKNancy Jan 2016 #68
Well, it looks like the Obama administration agrees with Hillary. Beacool Jan 2016 #72
I was pleased to see President Obama announce these sanctions this morning Gothmog Jan 2016 #73
Me too, but don't expect any of her bashers to backtrack and admit that they were wrong. Beacool Jan 2016 #75
Uh oh gwheezie Jan 2016 #77
Okay, you were the latest Uponthegears Jan 2016 #82
if violation of Security Council resolutions is the pivotal criterium for sanctions... mike_c Jan 2016 #79

saltpoint

(50,986 posts)
1. One of the reasons Hillary Clinton is
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 08:37 PM
Jan 2016

unpopular among many progressives is the impression they have of her as a pro-war Democrat.

She's making a mistake in reminding them of this with the new sanctions tough talk.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,121 posts)
54. Seriously... Hillary has been compromised. Time for that warmonger to just go away.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 09:29 AM
Jan 2016

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

forest444

(5,902 posts)
12. Meh. Bibi'll never give that gig up.
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 09:26 PM
Jan 2016

And give up all his power in Washington?

She certainly wants his endorsement though.

EdwardBernays

(3,343 posts)
5. Bomb bomb Iran
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 08:49 PM
Jan 2016

Hillary's campaign manager is a lobbyist for weapons manufacturers and Saudi Arabia.

I'm sure there's no connection.

padfun

(1,786 posts)
7. Wow! She really is turning far right.
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 08:55 PM
Jan 2016

It is a sight to see. I never expected her to turn into a turncoat like this so close to the primaries. I really misjudged her.

Nyan

(1,192 posts)
52. Nah all the creepy neo-cons are kept out of sight.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 09:19 AM
Jan 2016

VP pick's gonna be a likable one. And voters are supposed to be fooled.

Marty McGraw

(1,024 posts)
9. I get it...
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 09:04 PM
Jan 2016

She's at that delusional stuck mode thinking that the primary is already a done deal and now the all to usu. pander to the right juggle begins.

Did the citizens of Iran not give enough facebook likes?

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
11. Oh lookie: the warmonger is back
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 09:17 PM
Jan 2016
and undercutting the President while she's at it. I await with bated breath the response of those who are big fans of both.

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
14. Just Googling, and
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 09:31 PM
Jan 2016

Defensenews seems to think it's not an issue.
http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/commentary/2015/09/14/irans-nuclear-ballistic-missile-threat-not-horizon/72254428/

"Faithfully implementing the Iran nuclear deal and following closely the facts on the ground will ensure that the specter of Iranian nuclear missiles continues to fade below the horizon."


Then this link says it is a big problem: http://www.iranintelligence.com/missiles

"In violation of a United Nations ban on testing of missiles that could possibly deliver a nuclear warhead, Iran tested a new missile known as the Emad in early October 2015. The Emad is a precision-guided long range missile, and is the first guided weapon in Iran's arsenal capable of striking Israel. It is estimated that the missile has a range of over 1,000 miles and an accuracy range of within 1,600 feet."

So I don't have a clue.

cheapdate

(3,811 posts)
42. I'm with you on general cluelessness,
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 03:30 AM
Jan 2016

but in fairness, any sovereign nation has a right -- an obligation even -- to develop the capability to defend itself.

bananas

(27,509 posts)
44. Hillary is correct - Iran insisted that the missile issue be negotiated seperately.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 06:04 AM
Jan 2016

Just because a country has the right to defend itself doesn't mean it can build any weapons system it wants - there are numerous restrictions on weapons techologies and capabilities.

cheapdate

(3,811 posts)
69. What restrictions are there on "a country"?
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 12:29 PM
Jan 2016

A UN Security Council resolution in 2010 imposed restrictions on Iran, and on Iran only. Separately, multiple Security Council resolutions impose restrictions on North Korea. Nothing in the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons restricts or forbids a country from developing missile systems -- the treaty speaks only on the acquisition or transfer of fissile material.

Iran's ballistic missile program does violate Security Council Resolution 1929. I don't dispute that.

But I stand by my earlier point. A sovereign nation that's neither prepared nor capable of defending its territory faces a considerable risk of losing its identity. We might not like it when an unfriendly country develops and tests weapons or trains and exercises its military, but that's their right as a sovereign nation, just as it's our right.

The Nuclear Agreement with Iran substantially satisfies the very reason that Security Council Resolution 1929 was passed in the first place. The justification therefore no longer exists for prohibitions on Iran's having systems "capable" of delivery nuclear warheads.

For Pete's sake! Iran is by all accounts complying fully with its commitments under the Nuclear Agreement. We should be doing everything possible to support the astonishing progress that's been made -- even suspending enforcement of portions of the earlier Security Council resolution.

That's just my opinion.



bananas

(27,509 posts)
81. The UN is always passing resolutions on "a country"
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 08:27 PM
Jan 2016

For example on Syria and its chemical weapons program:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_2235
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_2118
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_2209


Many country-specific resolutions have been passed in response to natural disasters and other humanitarian crises.

Don't know where you got the idea the UN never passed a resolution on "a country" - maybe you watch too much Fox News or other propaganda sources.

The Iran nuclear deal is not legally binding, so it's completely justifiable to restrict Iran's missiles.

And there have long been restrictions on how countries may defend themselves - there have been restrictions on missiles themselves, as well as restrictions on the warheads they might carry, including chemical and biological weapons.

Some current restrictions on missiles in other countries are in the HCOC and MTCR:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missile_Technology_Control_Regime

Missile Technology Control Regime

The Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR) is an informal and voluntary partnership between 34 countries to prevent the proliferation of missile and unmanned aerial vehicle technology capable of carrying a 500 kg payload for at least 300 km.

<snip>


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Code_of_Conduct_against_Ballistic_Missile_Proliferation

International Code of Conduct against Ballistic Missile Proliferation

The Hague Code of Conduct against Ballistic Missile Proliferation (HCOC), was established on 25 November 2002 as an arrangement to prevent the proliferation of ballistic missiles.

<snip>

Since the signing and entering into force of the HCOC Code in November 2002 in The Hague, (Netherlands) the number of signatories has increased from 96 to 134 (132 UN members, the Cook Islands and the Holy See).[1]

<snip>


The ABM Treaty was in force for thirty years, it restricted missiles that could shoot down missiles:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Ballistic_Missile_Treaty

The Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty (ABM Treaty or ABMT) was a treaty between the United States and the Soviet Union on the limitation of the anti-ballistic missile (ABM) systems used in defending areas against ballistic missile-delivered nuclear weapons. Under the terms of the treaty, each party was limited to two ABM complexes, each of which was to be limited to 100 anti-ballistic missiles.[1]

Signed in 1972, it was in force for the next 30 years.[2] Following the dissolution of the Soviet Union, in 1997 the United States and four former Soviet republics agreed to succeed to the treaty. In June 2002 the United States withdrew from the treaty, leading to its termination.

<snip>

Background

Throughout the late 1950s and into the 1960s, the United States and the Soviet Union had been developing missile systems with the ability to shoot down incoming ICBM warheads. During this period, the US considered the defense of the US as part of reducing the overall damage inflicted in a full nuclear exchange. As part of this defense, Canada and the US established the North American Air Defense Command (now called North American Aerospace Defense Command).

By the early 1950s, US research on the Nike Zeus missile system had developed to the point where small improvements would allow it to be used as the basis of an operational ABM system. Work started on a short-range, high-speed counterpart known as Sprint to provide defense for the ABM sites themselves. By the mid-1960s, both systems showed enough promise to start development of base selection for a limited ABM system dubbed Sentinel. In 1967, the US announced that Sentinel itself would be scaled down to the smaller and less expensive Safeguard. Soviet doctrine called for development of its own ABM system and return to strategic parity with the US. This was achieved with the operational deployment of the A-35 ABM system and its successors, which remain operational to this day.

<snip>

 

jamzrockz

(1,333 posts)
40. I hope you didn't put money on it
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 01:46 AM
Jan 2016

cos nothing is going to stop Hillary from getting the nomination. There is a huge swat of democratic voters who are going to vote on name recognition alone and add in the die hard fans and the moderate republicans that this sort of talk appeal to and she would win the nomination. It might be close but I don't see this pivot to the right derailing the coronation.

Cosmocat

(14,558 posts)
51. I tend to agree
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 09:08 AM
Jan 2016

and have thought this way all along, as someone who is going to vote for Bernie.

But, if this is real ...

I just don't get it.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
16. Wow. Is this the real Hillary, or did her advisers give her some very bad advice?
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 09:42 PM
Jan 2016

Pivoting to the hard right before a Democratic primary doesn't seem to be a smart move.

 

Geronimoe

(1,539 posts)
22. So we know the frames for Sunday debate
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 09:52 PM
Jan 2016

Bernie is too old and sickly.

Bernie wants to destroy your healthcare.

Pro-war Hillary will protect you.

saltpoint

(50,986 posts)
23. Many of the people who will caucus for
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 09:54 PM
Jan 2016

Bernie Sanders may very deeply share a conviction that the Obama administration's efforts to negotiate with Iran are far superior to the Republicans' blood-mongering on the same issue.

This move by Hillary Clinton places her with the Republican opposition to that treaty. Again, because it is startling on one hand and not startling at all on the other: This move by Hillary clinton places her with the Republican opposition to that treaty.

I have no idea what imbecile urged her to go this route. But it is spectacularly bad advice.

moondust

(19,958 posts)
25. WTH?
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 11:19 PM
Jan 2016

Did she by any chance discuss this first with anybody in the U.S. or Europe familiar with the current agreement and their ICBM status? Being a former SOS, she should know people who could advise her.

4now

(1,596 posts)
26. I am sure going to miss Obama
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 11:33 PM
Jan 2016

I don't know if I can support someone who is just going to do whatever Bibi tells her to.

DesertFlower

(11,649 posts)
27. i watched anthony bourdain a little while ago.
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 11:37 PM
Jan 2016

we went to iran. those sanctions were really hurting the people.

 

Leontius

(2,270 posts)
28. Administration officials said in testimony before Congress that if Iran violated other mandates
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 11:43 PM
Jan 2016

that the US would not hesitate to install new sanctions against Iran based on that behavior. Iran has supposedly violated mandates on missile testing therefore the call for new sanctions is a correct call. It's not war mongering, it's not blood lust, it's called diplomacy.

 

Leontius

(2,270 posts)
33. The administration has said they would do the same thing if Iran violated other agreements.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 12:13 AM
Jan 2016

Iran's compliance with the nuclear treaty does not give them a pass on violations of other mandates. This is the explicit position of the State Department in regard to future sanctions imposed for Iranian behavior of non-compliance.

saltpoint

(50,986 posts)
34. I'm sorry. It was poorly conceived and
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 12:15 AM
Jan 2016

ill-timed. The administration worked long weeks and months on that treaty.

Mrs. Clinton is no longer in the administration.

 

Leontius

(2,270 posts)
36. The nuclear deal is a total seperate agreement from the balistic missile question,
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 12:44 AM
Jan 2016

The stated policy of this administration is that sanctions will be imposed for what the US considers violation of other mandates as a separate issue from the nuclear deal. If Iran is in violation of the missile mandate then the imposition of sanctions may be the cost of such violations. The fact that Hillary Clinton is no longer SoS does not change the fact that she may speak her opinion of what US policy should be in response to such violations and in this case her view and the State Dept. are the same.

saltpoint

(50,986 posts)
49. Considered and cool-browed
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 08:47 AM
Jan 2016

discussion has been undertaken by key principals toward a more balanced relationship with Iran:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/world-news/iranian-sanctions-ending


There is also the fierce opposition to and deceitful haymaking of said negotiations -- which cover many more points, by the way -- by what in past times was called the "loyal opposition." Senator Cotton of Arkansas, chief among this group, has only the 'opposition' component mastered. He's not apparently working on the 'loyal' component.

And while Cotton et al have their red choir singing loudly, a quieter Kerry has been attempting to stitch together a more balanced future for U.S.-Iran relations.

bananas

(27,509 posts)
45. Iran insisted these issues be negotiated separately, and the nuclear deal isn't a treaty.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 06:14 AM
Jan 2016

It's not even a signed document.

saltpoint

(50,986 posts)
50. President Rouhani is not an easily fooled
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 08:55 AM
Jan 2016

individual. Western diplomats and others who regard him as significantly capable and well-informed appear to be correct.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/17/rouhani-targets-economic-boom-for-iran-as-he-hails-golden-nuclear-deal

Statements by Rouhani against the backdrop of recent events, not least the release of prisoners and the thwarting of Benjamin Netanyahu, who had conspired with U.S. Republicans to undermine the Obama administration's work in the Middle East generally and with Iran especially, portend improvement between the United States and Iran.

Another imperative in the backdrop is U.S. relations with Saudi Arabia. There is acute tension between Saudi Arabia and Iran. I doubt very much that global economists have failed to register that point.

Chemisse

(30,803 posts)
32. Now there is why I finally turned away from Clinton.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 12:04 AM
Jan 2016

She either is too much of a hawk, or she feels she has to play the part of hawk. Either way, it can get us into wars.

We just barely forged a delicate relationship with Iran and she wants to blast it to shreds. (Did Bibi sent her a donation check?).

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
47. no however an associate of Sheldon Adelson's did
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 06:29 AM
Jan 2016

Haim Saban who partnered with Adelson for a time last spring in Pro-Israel campaign has contributed heavily to her campaign now and in 2008, he pledged millions to the Clinton Foundation while she was SoS and his wife Cheryl Saban is on the board of directors of the Clinton Foundation

https://www.clintonfoundation.org/about/board-directors

more about Saban -Adelson who parted company last fall for 'political' reasons

In a joint interview from Las Vegas with Israel’s Channel 2 TV, Adelson suggested that he and Saban use their influence, each in his own party, to advance the cause of Israel. ”Our interest is to take care of Israel’s interests in the United States. Period, over and out,” Saban added.

Read more: http://forward.com/news/israel/321793/haim-saban-dumps-pro-israel-coalition-over-sheldon-adelsons-far-right-wing/#ixzz3xUpBB2wI

IOW Adelson uses his influence among Republicans and Saban among Democratic party members

brush

(53,740 posts)
66. Exactamento! Sad to see, those two are pulling Hillary's strings
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 12:10 PM
Jan 2016

Seems Adelson, Saban and Clinton herself should've known better but I guess trying to disrupt the Iran deal just as it's being implemented was more important to them.

It is such a horrendously stupid policy position though to take just two weeks before Iowa.

Are we seeing deja vue 2008?

totodeinhere

(13,056 posts)
67. She is not calling for war. Sanctions are an alternative to war.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 12:17 PM
Jan 2016

She supports sanctions because she opposes war. What would you do about Iran's attempt to take over the entire Middle East? Calling her a "warmongering POS" is an ignorant thing to say. And I don't even support her for the nomination but I want to be fair.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
70. "Iran's attempt to take over the entire Middle East?" No such thing.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 01:38 PM
Jan 2016

Quit listening to Neocon propaganda.

Iran should be our natural allies in the region. They aren't because of Saudi oil money and AIPAC bullshit.

underthematrix

(5,811 posts)
41. The calls for sanctions on Iran ballistic missle testing are
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 03:29 AM
Jan 2016

already in place and will remain in place. The Obama administration is considering other sanctions on other issues.

This was already addressed and tweeted out extensively over at the Obama Diary.

 

Bernin

(311 posts)
43. Hillary's Bushesq UPC scanner moment.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 04:12 AM
Jan 2016

She's tone deaf and out of touch with the modern world.

Bye Hillary.
Enjoy Obscurity...

ebayfool

(3,411 posts)
53. Former Iran prisoner slams Clinton's call for new sanctions
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 09:24 AM
Jan 2016
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/iran-prisoner-shane-bauer-slams-hillary-clinton-217891


snip -

Shane Bauer knows firsthand what it’s like to be a prisoner in Iran. And after news broke Saturday morning about the exchange that delivered four imprisoned Americans, he had plenty to say about Hillary Clinton’s response to the developments in Iran.

In a series of tweets posted late Saturday night, Bauer, who is now a senior reporter at Mother Jones, called Clinton’s appeal for more sanctions “totally irresponsible” and accused her of constantly inflaming tensions with Iran.

“Seriously, why would Hillary call for more sanctions *now*? As far as we know, 4 of the Americans are still in Iran. Totally irresponsible,” he tweeted.


Bauer also tweeted that while he was imprisoned in Iran, “whenever I heard Hillary’s voice, my heart would sink. All she ever does with Iran is inflame tensions.”



 

Uponthegears

(1,499 posts)
55. So
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 09:41 AM
Jan 2016

Who is it WHO is turning against OUR PRESIDENT?

I am old now. I voted for George McGovern in the first presidential election where I was eligible to vote. I worked on his campaign. I voted for EVERY Democratic party nominee since and, at the very least, worked phone banks for all of them. I lost friends who will still not talk to me because I told them their "principles" were going to put W in the White House. Even though my life has been dedicated to ending capital punishment and the neo-slavery of the American criminal justice system, I voted for (expletive) Bill Clinton even after he flew back to Arkansas in the middle of his campaign to preside over the torture and murder of Ricky Rector.

This was the last straw.

For the sake of this party, for the sake of this country, for the sake of this world, I beg Secretary Clinton to immediately change her position.

 

elias49

(4,259 posts)
58. She'll have bandoleras across her bosom in debate tonight I guess
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 10:00 AM
Jan 2016

- but Sanders has to stay alert for her shiv.

 

mylye2222

(2,992 posts)
60. Typical HRC's sabotaging work.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 10:57 AM
Jan 2016

In order to " highlight" et no-risky SoS tenure. Everytime Secretary Kerry achieves a goal, on peacefull manners, she tries to undermine his work. Juvenile politics.

MBS

(9,688 posts)
63. very depressing.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 11:10 AM
Jan 2016

not inconsistent with what has always felt like her hawkish tendencies, but .gosh.. the TIMING- just as the Iran deal is implemented. . why? why now?

LiberalLovinLug

(14,164 posts)
71. A nip in the bud, an attempt to quickly remind everyone
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 04:16 PM
Jan 2016

that she should not be included in the kumbaya crowd in the Democratic party. She's tough don'tchaknow.

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
72. Well, it looks like the Obama administration agrees with Hillary.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 04:41 PM
Jan 2016
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35338901

Carry on, I'm sure there will be something else to be incensed about..........



Beacool

(30,247 posts)
75. Me too, but don't expect any of her bashers to backtrack and admit that they were wrong.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 05:48 PM
Jan 2016

Hillary was not undermining Obama, nor "warmongering".

gwheezie

(3,580 posts)
77. Uh oh
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 05:53 PM
Jan 2016

But now the meme is Hillary had inside knowledge. You can't make this up. My question is will Bernie supporters turn on him if he continues enforcing the agreement we have with Iran?

 

Uponthegears

(1,499 posts)
82. Okay, you were the latest
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 09:57 PM
Jan 2016

so you get my mea culpa. As someone who was distraught over Hillary's speech, I wanted to be the first to say that this was a well-nigh brilliant political move.

I will take just a bit of time to preserve what scant amount of dignity that I have left by pointing out that what Hillary said and what Obama imposed are materially different. Hillary called for sanctions on Iran, the Treasury Department imposed sanctions on businesses violating still-enforceable trade restrictions on the sale of missile parts. What Hillary called for foments war and alienates all of our allies, save one. What Obama did is right in line with long-standing policies. Now before you get all in "sour grapes never cry" mode, let me say that this difference doesn't matter at all in the world of skilled politics.

Let's start with the punch line . . . Hillary does not want sanctions imposed on Iran. She wants exactly what Obama wants. But here is where what I consider absolute brilliance begins. By using the language she did, she grabbed the "establishment" GOP by the short hairs and whacked them upside the back of their head. When that comment came out, what could the Rubio-to-center crowd do OTHER than say, "I stand with Hillary on this one?" That is an admission she could ride right up to election day. On the other hand, what could the Trump/Cruz/nutcase crowd do, say "We need to go to war over what is essentially nothing?" But it gets even better. By making her statement long enough before the Obama announcement that the GOP had to react before Obama had done anything, she practically robbed them blind of their standard "Obama hates America" line. Were that all, I would still call it brilliant, but there's more. By using the language she did (even if she didn't really mean it) and when she did, she has endeared herself to her Third Way base, other important Democratic Party constituencies, and middle of the road voters who have listened to months of anti-Obama's foreign policy propaganda from everyone from the TeaOP Congress to Netanyahu because they are left to believe that she is to the right of Obama vis a vis Iran.

Now I admit my insatiable ego would like me to believe that she did it to make DU Bernie supporters like myself look bad (because, of course, I count for that much - cue the heavy self-deprecating sarcasm), and while she certainly makes me eat my words, it would be pure hubris to think it had the first thing to do with me or any other DU poster. The fact is she did it to help her cause if she gets to the general election AND she pulled it off in glorious fashion.

I may prefer Bernie's policies over Hillary's policies, but credit where credit is due. She handled this like a pro.

If you are a Hillary supporter, you have every reason to cheer.

mike_c

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79. if violation of Security Council resolutions is the pivotal criterium for sanctions...
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 07:13 PM
Jan 2016

...Israel would have been cut off decades ago. Double standards and hypocrisy-- it's the establishment way!

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