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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 06:57 PM Jan 2016

Bernie Sanders Doubles Down On Critique of Hillary Clinton's Speaking Fees

Source: ABC NEWS

During a one-on-one interview with ABC News today in Columbia, South Carolina, Bernie Sanders stood by and escalated his attacks on Hillary Clinton over her taking speaking fees from corporate banks.

The Vermont senator had just finished arguing he was “not into personal attacks and mean-spirited attacks.” When challenged about whether bringing up Clinton’s speaking fees at the debate constituted personal attacks, Sanders replied: “Well, I think it is a fact. A fact. Anyone disagree with me? She has received $600,000 in one year as speaking fees from Goldman Sachs. If that’s not true, I will apologize. It’s true.”

The past few weeks have been the most combative yet in the tightening Democratic race, and Sunday night’s NBC debate was no exception. Sanders and Clinton, now neck-and-neck in early voting states, tangled over health care policy, taxes and Wall Street reform. Sanders showed no hesitation to hit his opponent for being too cozy with the big banks, and today the progressive superstar said he was not nervous that the battle for the nomination was getting too negative. He stood by his campaign’s heated rhetoric.

“If you look at all that the Republican debate, I would think it was not very personal at all. I think what I have been trying to do, the point that I made last night, was I can’t walk down the street, as you all know, without media saying, you know, criticize Hillary Clinton, say something terrible about Hillary Clinton. It’s not my style of politics. What I have tried to do from day one is to run an issue-oriented campaign, and the reason to run is to show the differences of opinion -- you know, you have different opinions. Hillary Clinton and I have different opinions. It’s called democracy. But I’m not into personal attacks and mean-spirited attacks,” he said.


Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bernie-sanders-doubles-critique-hillary-clintons-speaking-fees/story?id=36364560

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Bernie Sanders Doubles Down On Critique of Hillary Clinton's Speaking Fees (Original Post) Purveyor Jan 2016 OP
That's one of them there substantive issues that puts food on people's tables. Renew Deal Jan 2016 #1
Indeed it is. tabasco Jan 2016 #7
Damn straight it is. cui bono Jan 2016 #10
As I said in another thread tazkcmo Jan 2016 #28
BS enid602 Jan 2016 #67
Good. That $$$$ says exactly who she answers to. CharlotteVale Jan 2016 #2
He Should Further Push Her And Put Her On The Defensive..... global1 Jan 2016 #3
He should also demand that she pledge NOT to put in Goldman Sachs alums. nt antigop Jan 2016 #5
Why should he do that? pangaia Jan 2016 #23
Great point. She needsto release those transcripts. Akicita Jan 2016 #8
Yes! Good idea. cui bono Jan 2016 #11
It's just a source of curiosity Kall Jan 2016 #19
Yes, agree.. Pass suggestion to campaign Voice for Peace Jan 2016 #12
To be a fly on the wall... cannabis_flower Jan 2016 #16
Great idea! Ino Jan 2016 #17
Fell asleep, and woke up in the middle of the night... DirtyHippyBastard Jan 2016 #51
Was she speaking to GS when SOS? wordpix Jan 2016 #53
Yes. The speeches were probably video-taped. We should be given either access to the JDPriestly Jan 2016 #58
I think you are overlooking something ... Nihil Jan 2016 #59
Do they really think her words of wisdom are worth that much? HomerRamone Jan 2016 #4
Well put. tecelote Jan 2016 #21
Most people seem to grasp the issue well, and agree that it's relevant Babel_17 Jan 2016 #6
He needs to keep up the attack! Odin2005 Jan 2016 #9
He needs to tell her to... malokvale77 Jan 2016 #14
... CharlotteVale Jan 2016 #27
Maybe Sanders' age has him confused. Speaking fees are not political donations. KittyWampus Jan 2016 #13
I gotta bridge... nt malokvale77 Jan 2016 #15
Perhaps but.. cannabis_flower Jan 2016 #18
They're worse Cartoonist Jan 2016 #22
Well, you are partly correct. pangaia Jan 2016 #24
If you believe that "speaking fees are not political donations" in this case then I have got a Sam1 Jan 2016 #26
Of course not. All of these firms expect absolutely nothing in return guillaumeb Jan 2016 #29
This is in fact the going rate anigbrowl Jan 2016 #42
Bush 41 & Ultimately Obama After He Leaves Office & Other Famous People I Can.... global1 Jan 2016 #61
But Reagan, and Bush, and Clinton all spoke after being President. guillaumeb Jan 2016 #65
Uh huh, that's right and shareholders love it when wordpix Jan 2016 #55
Wonderful response! HassleCat Jan 2016 #31
As if Bernin Jan 2016 #37
You forgot the sarcasm flag coyote Jan 2016 #40
She is clearly the Democrat they favor. ohnoyoudidnt Jan 2016 #44
Dream on, you don't give that kind of speaking fee and expect wordpix Jan 2016 #54
That is not personal, it's a political attack JackRiddler Jan 2016 #20
Goldman did not give HRC $600,000 cause they like the sound of her voice BadGimp Jan 2016 #25
You Got to Dance with Them What Brung You UpInArms Jan 2016 #30
I miss Molly HassleCat Jan 2016 #32
I always bought the Tuesday Fort Worth Star UpInArms Jan 2016 #68
Oh look, a new line of attack by the Sanders people. 6000eliot Jan 2016 #33
She was paid 600K from one of the banks responsible for the financial meltdown. ohnoyoudidnt Jan 2016 #35
I take it you aren't interested in discussing the issue? -nt Bradical79 Jan 2016 #36
Not in the least. 6000eliot Jan 2016 #38
Of course not coyote Jan 2016 #41
The Bernie supporters care enough for all of us. 6000eliot Jan 2016 #66
Shocking! Bradical79 Jan 2016 #60
What issue? This is in fact pretty normal. anigbrowl Jan 2016 #43
There is a bit of a difference when you may be ohnoyoudidnt Jan 2016 #47
I think you have it backwards anigbrowl Jan 2016 #48
I like to consider the source. ohnoyoudidnt Jan 2016 #49
It's a little baffling that money given directly to an individual politician warrants less concern Bradical79 Jan 2016 #62
This is the problem with Hilary and you'd like to sweep it under the rug i suppose wordpix Jan 2016 #56
But what about other celebrities? How dare you attack Jimmy Carter! I don't want to talk about it! Bradical79 Jan 2016 #64
Well, it is a pretty clear example of our political corruption Bradical79 Jan 2016 #34
Sanders and his peeps should do this every day. It is factual, and therefore absolutely fair game. Indepatriot Jan 2016 #39
Please do. It shows how petty and uninformed his campaign supporters are. anigbrowl Jan 2016 #46
Rationalizations are really all you folks have. Good luck with that... Indepatriot Jan 2016 #50
Just bc they do it doesn't make it right and she's a pres candidate wordpix Jan 2016 #57
Key Words - After He Retires....nt global1 Jan 2016 #63
So she get's paid $600 thou by big banks for a speech: why should there be any quid pro quo? YOHABLO Jan 2016 #45
The truly tragic thing is Chelsea had to "work" for a whole year to earn $600,000 CBGLuthier Jan 2016 #52
 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
7. Indeed it is.
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 07:37 PM
Jan 2016

When national leaders are beholden to mega-banks, it is unlikely that food on the table will be a concern.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
10. Damn straight it is.
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 07:54 PM
Jan 2016

Shows she has to answer to those that gave her the funding. Doesn't look good for keeping a roof over people's heads and their tables. She'll be spending money bailing out the banksters again rather than the people. Hell, she even said she thought the foreclosures were the people's own fault.

That is certainly something that will make a difference in people's lives.

.

global1

(25,219 posts)
3. He Should Further Push Her And Put Her On The Defensive.....
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 07:14 PM
Jan 2016

and demand that she release transcripts of her speeches to Goldman Sachs or for that matter any Wall Street firm she's given speeches at for a fee.

Whether that demand comes from Bernie himself or from We the People it should put her in a very uncomfortable position trying to explain her way out - kind of a damned if you do - damned if you don't.

I'm really surprised that a request like this hasn't come up sooner. As a person considering her for the top job in this country - I want to know what she says to the Bankster's and the top 1%ers. Is she telling them anything different than she is telling us?

Don't you think even her avid supporters would want to know what she said?

Kall

(615 posts)
19. It's just a source of curiosity
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 09:24 PM
Jan 2016

Some people wonder what kind of gifted speech maker Hillary Clinton is (which has been absent from public view) or what expertise on high finance she had to impart, that would justify an economic value of $300,000 per hour to Wall Street banks, since no influence changed hands.

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
12. Yes, agree.. Pass suggestion to campaign
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 07:59 PM
Jan 2016

It it a completely fair request. If refused looks very bad, too. Like Mitt's 47%

DirtyHippyBastard

(217 posts)
51. Fell asleep, and woke up in the middle of the night...
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 03:00 AM
Jan 2016

I think I saw some DVDs for a few payments of $59.99 plus shipping on the telly. I'm pretty sure it was her. Can't remember the phone number though.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
53. Was she speaking to GS when SOS?
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 03:10 AM
Jan 2016

Seems like a conflict of interest if GS has dealings abroad, which it does

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
58. Yes. The speeches were probably video-taped. We should be given either access to the
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 05:28 AM
Jan 2016

videos or the transcripts of the speeches. Full disclosure.

I would like to know what Hillary was saying to the bankers that caused them to bring her back to speak again after the first banker-speech.

 

Nihil

(13,508 posts)
59. I think you are overlooking something ...
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 08:58 AM
Jan 2016

> Don't you think even her avid supporters would want to know what she said?

Many of her most avid supporters were at those events ... they already know
the truth ...


tecelote

(5,122 posts)
21. Well put.
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 09:34 PM
Jan 2016

If Hillary wins, watch her take a hard right turn.

It's what she's being paid to do.

Her recent lean left is pandering to make us think she works for us so she can get elected.

cannabis_flower

(3,764 posts)
18. Perhaps but..
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 09:24 PM
Jan 2016

If she doesn't get enough political donations she can always use her own money (that she got from Goldman Sacks) to do whatever she wants with it, including donating it to her own campaign.

Cartoonist

(7,309 posts)
22. They're worse
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 09:53 PM
Jan 2016

Speaking fees go right into her pocket. Political donations can only be used for campaign expenses.

In any case, she gets both kinds. Bernie gets neither. He gives low cost speech fees to charity.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
24. Well, you are partly correct.
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 09:59 PM
Jan 2016

Some are........... and some aren't.

However your shitty comment on Sander's age reeks.

Sam1

(498 posts)
26. If you believe that "speaking fees are not political donations" in this case then I have got a
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 10:06 PM
Jan 2016

bridge I'll sell you on a quite claim deed.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
29. Of course not. All of these firms expect absolutely nothing in return
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 10:19 PM
Jan 2016

for the money. They just appreciate a really good speech.

 

anigbrowl

(13,889 posts)
42. This is in fact the going rate
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 02:15 AM
Jan 2016

If you had wanted to have Bush41 come speak when he was more healthy, it cost a couple hundred thou. That's standard for someone who's world-famous like that. Obama will earn about the same. Of course, most people know this; Sanders' attack is only impressive to people who don't know any better.

global1

(25,219 posts)
61. Bush 41 & Ultimately Obama After He Leaves Office & Other Famous People I Can....
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 10:35 AM
Jan 2016

give a pass. But someone that is a current office holder or known to wind up being a candidate for the presidency smacks of being a payoff; a conflict of interest. And given what we know about these firms that are too big and getting bigger to fail - I don't trust them or those seeking an office to think either is doing this for We The People.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
65. But Reagan, and Bush, and Clinton all spoke after being President.
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 12:34 PM
Jan 2016

They were definitely exploiting the fact of having been President, but when a candidate for President makes so much money for so many speeches, questions arise as to where loyalties ultimately lie.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
55. Uh huh, that's right and shareholders love it when
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 03:16 AM
Jan 2016

their corporations pay ridiculously high fees for a nice speech in return.

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
31. Wonderful response!
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 10:39 PM
Jan 2016

Criticize Sanders with a comment on his age! Excellent! You have revealed much about the way you think.

 

Bernin

(311 posts)
37. As if
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 11:36 PM
Jan 2016

Hillary is a spring chicken comparatively. Puhlease!

As Cartoonist said. Speaking fees are worse.
Personally, I'd pay her not to speak.

BadGimp

(4,012 posts)
25. Goldman did not give HRC $600,000 cause they like the sound of her voice
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 10:06 PM
Jan 2016

They expect something in return..

UpInArms

(51,279 posts)
30. You Got to Dance with Them What Brung You
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 10:22 PM
Jan 2016
It's been five years since Molly Ivins's last book, which is probably too long a time in the opinion of her many fans. But the intervening years have given the bestselling author and syndicated columnist some of the best raw material a political writer could ask for. The Republicans staged a revolution, Clinton was reelected, welfare "deform" swept the country, and the militia movement came out of the bunker: in short, it's been a banner time for Molly's brand of shoot-from-the-hip commentary and uproarious anecdotes.

You Got to Dance with Them What Brung You brings together a first-class collection of smart, spirited, and fiercely funny writings. From the wild and woolly politics of her native Texas to the waffling in the Oval Office, Molly exposes the fatuous and hypocritical at all levels of public life. Whether she's writing about the 1996 presidential candidates ("Dole contributed perhaps the funniest line of the year with his immortal observation that tobacco is not addictive but that too much milk might be bad for us. The check from the dairy lobby must have been late that week&quot , conspiracy theorists ("Twenty-five years in the newspaper bidness have given me a fairly strong faith in the proposition that if you haven't read about it in The Daily Disappointment or seen it on the network news, it's probably not true&quot , or cultural trends ("I saw a restaurant in Seattle that specialized in latte and barbecue. Barbecue and latte. I came home immediately&quot , Molly takes on the issues of the day with her trademark good sense and inimitable wit.

"I can think of few causes more important than keeping free voices alive in a world of corporate media," Molly writes. She is one of those voices and a national treasure; as the Los Angeles Times put it, she is "H. L. Mencken without the cruelty, Will Rogers with an agenda." Whatever your political persuasion, you're bound to agree that Molly Ivins is one of the sharpest and most original commentators on the American scene today. - See more at: http://www.booknotes.org/Watch/102566-1/Molly+Ivins.aspx#sthash.nPfqQaEj.dpuf
 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
32. I miss Molly
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 10:46 PM
Jan 2016

Another of her favorite sayings was given to her by someone commenting on the Texas Legislature, one of her most fertile fields for harvesting humorous anecdotes. This is from memory, so I may not have it exactly right, but it was some advice for those running for the legislature. "You got to be able to drink their whiskey, screw their women, take their money, then stand up on the floor of the legislature and vote against them." Of course, no politician is capable of doing that all the time, because, as Molly says, "You got to dance with them that brung you."

UpInArms

(51,279 posts)
68. I always bought the Tuesday Fort Worth Star
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 10:16 PM
Jan 2016

just to read her columns

the world lost such an important voice

am so sad she left us

ohnoyoudidnt

(1,858 posts)
35. She was paid 600K from one of the banks responsible for the financial meltdown.
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 11:31 PM
Jan 2016

But nothing to see here. Let's move on.

 

coyote

(1,561 posts)
41. Of course not
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 01:37 AM
Jan 2016

What possible conflict of interest could there be while talking tough on the bank industry and stuffing your back pocket with 600k. LOL!!!

I want to live in your fairyland.

 

anigbrowl

(13,889 posts)
43. What issue? This is in fact pretty normal.
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 02:19 AM
Jan 2016

Famous people get outsize speaking fees, film at 11. Of course, a little research would have revealed that this is not unusual for world figures. I'm sure they're all in the controversy. Jimmy Carter charges similar amounts, up to $300k depending on who wants to book him. Naturally firms like banks etc. have to pay more than nonprofit groups. Gonna tell us how Jimmy Carter is also part of the corporate conspiracy?

http://www.celebritytalent.net/sampletalent/2753/president-jimmy-carter/

ohnoyoudidnt

(1,858 posts)
47. There is a bit of a difference when you may be
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 02:25 AM
Jan 2016

in a very strong position to influence legislation for the entity you are accepting money from.

 

anigbrowl

(13,889 posts)
48. I think you have it backwards
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 02:31 AM
Jan 2016

'with special guest Hillary Clinton!' is the status symbol you pay for. It's not often you get the chance to meet world leaders face to face. It's the sort of thing you use to attract people to your finance conference or whatever the event is. I worry about lobbying but not really about speaker fees, at all. Celebrities charge a lot of money to turn up on demand, not least to function as a filter on the thousands of requests they receive.

ohnoyoudidnt

(1,858 posts)
49. I like to consider the source.
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 02:41 AM
Jan 2016

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If they thought she would be a threat to their bottom line, I doubt they would pay her 600k. If they thought she would attract people for them, then there may be more to it than her being famous. I suspect bankers like her for other reasons than just being well known. But that's just me. Given their history, I very skeptical of the actions and motives of big banks.

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
62. It's a little baffling that money given directly to an individual politician warrants less concern
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 10:43 AM
Jan 2016

I'm not sure I follow how direct payments to a politician's personal wealth is less concerning than lobbying activity or campaign contributions, though in Clinton's case she has a problem in that area as well.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
56. This is the problem with Hilary and you'd like to sweep it under the rug i suppose
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 03:21 AM
Jan 2016

But we know about these fees and the fact that puppets must dance to the puppetmasters tune. The Clintons didn't make it to the 1% rank with Bill's presidency and helping poor people around the world.

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
64. But what about other celebrities? How dare you attack Jimmy Carter! I don't want to talk about it!
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 11:00 AM
Jan 2016

Those are the best responses. That's how bad of an issue this is for us. It's frustrating the level of political corruption some of our fellow Democrats will desperately defend, but I guess there will always be a defense force for everything.

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
34. Well, it is a pretty clear example of our political corruption
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 11:26 PM
Jan 2016

It's an indefensible thing. I think it's perfectly valid to question a politician on where they are getting money from and how that might affect their decision making/policies.

 

Indepatriot

(1,253 posts)
39. Sanders and his peeps should do this every day. It is factual, and therefore absolutely fair game.
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 01:21 AM
Jan 2016

All Day. Every Day.

 

anigbrowl

(13,889 posts)
46. Please do. It shows how petty and uninformed his campaign supporters are.
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 02:23 AM
Jan 2016

Everything is a conspiracy to you guys, even though these speaking fees are actually pretty normal for someone so famous. Carter charges the same sort of fees and so will Obama after he retires. Well-informed adults already know this quite well.

 

Indepatriot

(1,253 posts)
50. Rationalizations are really all you folks have. Good luck with that...
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 02:41 AM
Jan 2016

She's gonna get those Banksters to "Cut it out" right after they cut that check... and YOU"RE the "adult"....

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
57. Just bc they do it doesn't make it right and she's a pres candidate
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 03:26 AM
Jan 2016

Carter got high fees after he was pres and never ran for office again. Any promises he made to donors weren't about his sway as a high ranking official

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
45. So she get's paid $600 thou by big banks for a speech: why should there be any quid pro quo?
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 02:21 AM
Jan 2016

Are those speeches available to the public? I'd love to read what $600 thou buys you. I'm sure she chastised everyone of them for being crooks and they belonged in federal prison.

CBGLuthier

(12,723 posts)
52. The truly tragic thing is Chelsea had to "work" for a whole year to earn $600,000
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 03:08 AM
Jan 2016

But I am sure some day she too can cash an obscene check for a few hours work.

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