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uhnope

(6,419 posts)
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 05:41 PM Jan 2016

'Have they found him guilty?' Now Donald Trump DEFENDS Putin over Litvinenko murder

Source: Express UK

DONALD Trump has launched a staunch defence of Vladimir Putin in the row surrounding murdered Russian spy Alexander Litvinenko.

Last week a British inquiry said the Russian President “probably” sanctioned the assassination of the former KGB operative. David Cameron blasted Mr Putin for the “state-sponsored murder” describing it as an “absolutely appalling crime”. But the US presidential front-runner declared he had seen “no evidence” of Mr Putin’s guilt.

He said: “Have they found him guilty? I don't think they've found him guilty. If he did it, fine but I don't know that he did it.

Russia has threatened to sue the British government over the recent inquiry’s findings. Foreign minister Sergei Lavrov said: “If one hired a decent lawyer and analysed these facts, and the statements that have been made by the leadership of the British government, I think one could well find plenty of grounds for slander."

Read more: http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/638319/donald-trump-vladimir-putin-alexander-litvinenko-david-cameron-russia-poisoning-kgb-london

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Botany

(70,447 posts)
1. Time once was that any American politician defending a former head of the KGB under ...
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 05:53 PM
Jan 2016

.... the communists and President of Russia career would have been over. I really think
Trump is trying to lose.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
4. Time was when we believed in that principle of innocent until proven guilty
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 06:45 PM
Jan 2016

But that is so 20th century...Now because a nut job like Trump says it we must take the opposite stance...guilty until proven innocent.

We are down the rabbit hole now.

gvstn

(2,805 posts)
3. I don't remember exactly.
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 06:33 PM
Jan 2016

But,I believe that shortly after this happen it was reported that this radioactive metal had unique signatures as it developed. They could trace this particular one back to some place in Russia and different versions of it would have different signatures.

I can't find a link, but that was the reason they singled out Putin as the master of the assassination. I can't seem to find this reported in the last few days but it was an official response of either the UK or US governments. And they declared with certainty. I don't know if it is mentioned in the inquiry but surely it must have been as it seemed part of the public record. Can't see how Russia would dare sue and have this claim dug up again, Britain does enforce slandery laws much more forcefully than the US. Trump would be in jail if we did.

gvstn

(2,805 posts)
6. I had rembered it more forcefully
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 07:28 PM
Jan 2016

And didn't realize Russia was the only authorized producer of 97% of polonium so that would cause some problems with the UK singling out them for this crime since virtually all polonium anywhere in the world comes from them, and they could have sold some to someone or had it stolen. (We all know Putin did it because he seems like that kind of guy and held a grudge against this one, but due process and all that. Not that it will ever happen)

I'll go through some of the Wiki source articles later.

Thanks for the links! I just remember this story because of the picture of him in that hospital bed and thinking this wasn't just a random tragedy but an intentional act to make someone suffer for weeks or months. Heart breaking for his family.

This is one photo but there were worse ones (uncropped) with his wife, girlfriend or mother at side of the bed. They say everything posted on the internet, stays on the internet but they sure can hide it if they want to do that.



A note: your first link just goes to the homepage of that site not the article you intended.

Thanks again for the post on this story just gets to me and I want to know if it gets dismissed or someone is actually prosecuted. Putin reportedly has 47 billion dollars so it won't be him.

newthinking

(3,982 posts)
8. Funny how Litvinenko believed that Scarmella killed him until he died
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 11:43 PM
Jan 2016

Trump is an idiot, but this whole inquiry was much more sordid and not at all what is being claimed. I doubt anyone will know what really happened in our lifetimes.

The history seems to not be part of the inquiry.

Litvineko accused Scaramella (not the two mentioned in this inquiry) until the end. It was Alexander Goldfarb, working for a Russian Oligarch that produced the claimed statement after his death. First the he claimed that Litvinenko wrote the statement in Russian and he had translated it. Then he later recanted and said that Litvenenko had verbally made the confession and he hadwritten it down in English (Litvinenko did not speak english).

Interestingly Mr. Scaramella was a Nuclear Expert and seems to have had links to the CIA...

The Litvinenko murder: Scaramella - The Italian Connection - The Independent (UK)

Mr Litvinenko accused Mr Scaramella of poisoning him from the day he first fell ill: as the Italian told me, his name was all over Russian and Chechen websites as the main suspect in the poisoning of the former FSB agent long before the story hit the British press. Mr Litvinenko retained his suspicion right up to his death.


Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_Scaramella

"Mario Scaramella (born 23 April 1970[1]) is an Italian lawyer, security consultant and academic nuclear expert[2]"

[link:http://primary.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/foreigners/2006/12/the_secret_life_of_mario_scaramella.html|SLATE -
The secret life of Mario Scaramella.]

Although a baby-faced man of only 36, Scaramella claims to have been recruited several years ago by the CIA to trace relationships between South American narco-traffickers and Russian spy agencies.


I don't think anyone who reads the press/government narratives is going to really know the whole of this.

Ilsa

(61,690 posts)
9. "Have they found him guilty?"
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 04:22 AM
Jan 2016

Does trump really expect that there are political and criminal checks and balances on Putin?

 

trillion

(1,859 posts)
10. So this isn't just about Putin, it's also about Britain - the country that was talking about banning
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 04:26 AM
Jan 2016

Trump. Putin however stroked Trumps ego.

Trump:
“If one hired a decent lawyer and analysed these facts, and the statements that have been made by the leadership of the British government, I think one could well find plenty of grounds for slander."



This is this little man showing his(okay he's always showing it) - infantile side.

Stroke his ego and he'll support you no matter who you are and what you do. Say something against him and he'll be against you no matter who you are and what you do.


He's black and white just like his racist blanket statements.

I really don't believe this man is very intelligent.

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