Pak military trains IS in Afghanistan: Ex-IS man

[MariaThinks]

Source: Times of India

KABUL: Pakistan's military provides weapons and training to ISIS militants in Afghanistan and instructs them to kill the "infidel" Afghan forces, according to the terror group's fighters who laid down their arms.

They also said that Pakistani military provides light and heavy weapons to ISIS fighters in Afghanistan.

"Pakistani military gave us weapons and used to tell us that Afghan forces are infidels and you must kill them," Zaitoon, a former ISIS fighter who laid down his arms and joined the peace talks, was quoted as saying by the TOLO news on Wednesday.



Read more: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/pakistan/Pak-military-trains-IS-in-Afghanistan-Ex-IS-man/articleshow/51140969.cms

[iandhr]

1. The Pakistani army is pro terror?

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I am shocked.

[Bad Dog]

3. The Times of India is hardly a reliable source regarding Pakistan.

A quick google shows this, and Zee News, another Indian News network, are the only organs running this story.

[closeupready]

4. The one reliable Pakistan-hater here is temporarily unable to post,

for the 50 bazillionth time since last summer, lol. (I suppose by their works, ye/we will know them...? )

And yes, I disregard any and every story sourced from what amounts to a regional blog like Times of India.

[Bad Dog]

5. The OP consistently posts stuff that puts Islam in a bad light.

It's all incredibly one sided. None of the good, all of the bad.

[MariaThinks]

8. i just post real news stories - don't attack the messenger.

It is one sided. Has India sponsored terror attacks inside Pakistan? I don't recall any incidents like the one in Bombay.

I won't be bullied into staying quiet about what is really happening

This is about Pakistan and not islam. why are you making that connection?

[Bad Dog]

9. No you don't.

You post one sided stuff from dubious sources. That's what you do.

[MariaThinks]

10. there is nothing dubious about the Times of India

and I didn't change a single word in the story

[Bad Dog]

11. "I don't recall any incidents like the one in Bombay."

Well you wouldn't. From Wikipedia

India has been accused by Pakistan, and Sri Lanka of supporting terrorism and carrying out "economic sabotage" in their respective countries. India's Research and Analysis Wing has been accused of training and arming the Sri Lankan Tamil group, LTTE, during the 1970s when it was not considered a terrorist organization by any country but it later withdrew its support in the 1980s, when the activities of LTTE became serious, becoming the first country to ban LTTE as a terrorist organization.

Furthermore, India Research and Analysis Wing agencies supported the separatist/nationalist terrorist organization called Al Zulfiqar since 1977. This terrorist group conducted hijacking in March 1981 of a Pakistan International Airlines plane from Karachi to Kabul. The group is currently inactive. Richard Holbrooke in who is United States Special Envoy for Afghanistan and Pakistan stated that Pakistan didn't provide any credible evidence to back their accusations against India.

U.S. Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel suggested in 2011 that "India has over the years financed problems for Pakistan" in Afghanistan. Sadanand Dhume, former India bureau chief at the Far Eastern Economic Review and current resident fellow at the American Enterprise Institute stated that Hagel's opinion reflect a "paranoid" worldview.

Pakistani Government and ISI have accused Indian consulates in Kandahar and Jalalabad, Afghanistan, for providing arms, training and financial aid to the BLA in an attempt to destabilize Pakistan.

Brahamdagh Bugti stated in a 2008 interview that he would accept aid from India in his terrorist activities in Baluchistan. Pakistan has repeatedly accused India of supporting Baloch rebels, and Wright-Neville writes that outside Pakistan, some Western observers also believe that India secretly funds the Balochistan Liberation Army (BLA). In August 2013 US Special Representative James Dobbins said Pakistan's fears over India's role in Afghanistan were “not groundless".

A diplomatic cable sent Dec. 31, 2009, from the U.S. consulate in Karachi and obtained by WikiLeaks said it was "plausible" that Indian intelligence was helping the Baluch insurgents. An earlier 2008 cable, discussing the Mumbai attacks reported fears by British officials that "intense domestic pressure would force Delhi to respond, at the minimum, by ramping up covert support to nationalist militants fighting the Pakistani army in Baluchistan."[24] Another cable dating back to 2009 showed that UAE officials believed India was secretly supporting Tehreek-e-Taliban insurgents and separatists in northwest Pakistan.

In 2011, the Guardian published an article which mentioned that India is a safe haven for many Hindutva extremists and that the Indian Government has turned a blind eye to many Saffron terror groups that operate within its territory. It urged the Indian Government to crack down on various terror groups that operate with impunity.

In 2015, Chinese authorities have notified and cautioned Pakistani authorities of a possible terror attack aimed at making the China–Pakistan Economic Corridor project a failure. According to China, Baluch insurgents with ties to India's Research and Analysis Wing plan on sabotaging some key projects particularly on the eastern alignment; Gwadar to Quetta, where work has already started. “The Chinese have sounded a note of 'caution' soon after reports suggested foreign agencies’ support to militants,” said the official, who attended an important meeting discussing key issues relating to Gwadar Port and the economic corridor at the Ministry of Defence. He further said, “The Research and Analysis Wing (RAW), with other hostile agencies, is at the frontline to sabotage this project, that is what Chinese intelligence agencies shared with us.”

In October 2015, the adviser to the Prime Minister on National Security and Foreign Affairs Sartaj Aziz handed over three dossiers to the United Nations, allegedly containing proof of Indian involvement in terrorist activities abroad. Aziz said that Pakistan's permanent representative to UN, Dr Maliha Lodhi had shared three dossiers containing evidences pertaining to Indian backed terrorism in Balochistan, FATA and Karachi with UN Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon in a meeting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-sponsored_terrorism

Nobody is bullying you, you're being called out for your one sided posts.

[MariaThinks]

12. economic sabatoge is nothing like sending in people with automatic weapons to slaugher innocent

people in a neighboring country.

[Bad Dog]

13. You really do selectively read stuff.

Giving arms and training to paramilitaries is not just economic sabotage. India uses dirty tricks just as much as Pakistan. It's not the black and white situation that you are trying, (and failing,) to portray it as.

[MariaThinks]

14. i recall that Pakistan invaded India twice?

incidently, how many non-muslims live in Pakistan? How many muslims live in India?

[Bad Dog]

15. You're very selective over what you recall.

You use the same tactics as RT. Every story RT has on America is negative. Like you, they're not interested in balance, they're interested in pushing an agenda. You wouldn't solely rely on RT to tell you what's happening in America, if you did you'd have a very negative view of America.

I would take any report on Pakistan that solely relies on Indian sources with a pinch of salt, and vice versa. I wouldn't trust any story on India that only uses Pakistani sources. I'm not pursuing an agenda, you are. If you believe otherwise you're only fooling yourself.

There's been border skirmishes between India and Pakistan since partition. No country has "invaded" the other.

[closeupready]

20. It seems really obvious to me, her selectiveness not only in recall, but outrage.

I used to get really upset about it, seemed to go on a lot here among a hardcore militant internet warriors. Now, I remember, this is just a little internet discussion board for liberal American news junkies, and let it all go.

[Bad Dog]

16. Do you not have google or Wikipedia?

Or is that you have problems with anything that doesn't fit your preconceptions?

According to the most recent (1998) census conducted by the Government of Pakistan, Hindus make up 1.20% of the population and Christians (Protestant and Roman Catholic) 1.9%, or around 2.3 million people. Other estimates put the numbers higher. Historically, there was also a small contingent of Jews in Pakistan who emigrated to Israel in the 1960s.

The U.S. State Department's International Religious Freedom Report 2002 estimates the Shi'a population between 10-12%,[5] among which around 900,000 are Ismailis which is a sect of Shi'i Muslims and who pay tribute to their living spiritual leader, the Aga Khan. It also lists Christians at 2.09 million; Ahmadis at 286,000, Hindus at 1.03 million; Parsis, Buddhists, and Sikhs at 20,000 each; and Baha'is at 50,000-100,000.

In a 2011 book, Ishtiaq Ahmed wrote that "Some independent studies, however, suggest that the non-Muslims population of Pakistan is nearly 10 per cent and Hindus, Christians and Ahmadis make up four million each. It is generally noted that while majorities play down minority figures, the minorities inflate them. This is especially true of the Ahmadiyya community. Official statistics return less than half a million for them while the Ahmadis claim to be around ten million."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minorities_in_Pakistan

[MariaThinks]

19. surprised you didn't find this - we're not talking 1-2 % per minority group

trends for major religious groups in India (1951–2011)

Religious
group

Population
% 1951

Population
% 1961

Population
% 1971

Population
% 1981

Population
% 1991

Population
% 2001

Population
% 2011[1]



Hinduism
84.1% 83.45% 82.73% 82.30% 81.53% 80.46% 79.80%

Islam
9.8% 10.69% 11.21% 11.75% 12.61% 13.43% 14.23%

Christianity
2.3% 2.44% 2.60% 2.44% 2.32% 2.34% 2.30%

Sikhism
1.79% 1.79% 1.89% 1.92% 1.94% 1.87% 1.72%

Buddhism
0.74% 0.74% 0.70% 0.70% 0.77% 0.77% 0.70%

Jainism
0.46% 0.46% 0.48% 0.47% 0.40% 0.41% 0.37%

Zoroastrianism
0.13% 0.09% 0.09% 0.09% 0.08% 0.06% n/a

Other religions / No religion
0.43% 0.43% 0.41% 0.42% 0.44% 0.72% 0.9%

[Bad Dog]

22. Don't be surprised.

Not everyone visits the sort of websites you appear to frequent. The fact that you don't attribute your source speaks volumes.

As if a country's makeup religious means anything anyway.

[MariaThinks]

24. its wikeapedia - i thought it was obvious

one country kills its minorities and suppresses them

in the other (India) minorities are supported.

that means a lot to me.

who uses propaganda from the Pakistan government to argue their points?

[Bad Dog]

27. You are full of it.

My source has been Wikipedia, but if you think that's a propaganda arm of the Pakistani government, then go ahead. It's no more nonsensical than anything else you've posted.

Indian police arrested eight people and were searching for two more on Wednesday after villagers allegedly beat a Muslim farmer to death and severely injured his son after hearing rumours that the family was eating beef, a taboo for many among India’s majority Hindu population.

A mob of about 60 Hindus became incensed when a temple announced that the family had been slaughtering cows and storing the beef in their house in Bisara, a village about 25 miles (45km) south-east of the Indian capital New Delhi, said district magistrate Nagendra Pratap Singh.

He said the mob dragged 52-year-old Mohammad Akhlaq and his son from their home on Monday night and beat them with sticks and bricks. Akhlaq was declared dead at a nearby hospital, while his son was being treated for serious injuries.

From the Guardian, (another tool of the Pakistani Government.)

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/30/hindu-mob-kills-muslim-man-eating-beef

India's western state of Gujarat, where Mahatma Gandhi, the apostle of nonviolence, was born, also has a long history of communal violence. The most recent case of large-scale violence in the state was in 2002 when inter-communal riots resulted in the killing of close to a thousand Muslims and over two hundred Hindus.

Narendra Modi, now the prime minister, was Gujarat's chief minister then. He was accused of initiating and condoning the violence. The backlash against him was swift, from within the country as well as internationally. The U.S. government took the unusual step of declaring him a persona non grata. Criticism came even from within his own party: the prime minister at the time said that the riots were "a blot on [the] nation's forehead and ... grievously harmed India's image in the eyes of the world."

From the Huffington post

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jesudas-m-athyal/muslims-marginalized-india-fear_b_9317732.html

[MariaThinks]

28. see you can google more than Pakistan government. Interesting what you find

what do you think will come up with 'radical islam attacks' in india. try it some time if you're objective.

I expect your response to be a personal attack.

[Nihil]

17. Well, unable to post from their main account anyway ...

"Times of India" was always a favourite of that one too.

[closeupready]

18. Exactly, lol.

[MariaThinks]

7. The times of india is actually a very objective news source- disregarding it shows bias

[TipTok]

6. Duh...

[Sunlei]

21. The first IS were a group of trained 60 or 70 men came from Pakistan and backed by money from ??????

Where did that group of 100 Toyota trucks come from? And who the heck funded/backed that first group.

That's the root of the problem. That group of investors should be on trial, pay for all the refugee costs out of their assets. The World Bank gave Hitler the entire Bank systems of entire countries he invaded, do the same with IS backers.

[Bad Dog]

23. Well yes.

But that doesn't help someone who is pursuing a rather nasty agenda. You could also ask yourself why, post 9/11, when all the flights were grounded, Bin Laden's family members were allowed to fly back home and avoid being interviewed by the FBI. Then again you're someone who asks the right questions, you're not a narrow minded, simplistic individual with an axe to grind.

[MariaThinks]

25. bin laden organized the attack on 911 - very very bad

the bush family, whom most people hate, allowed a Saudi Arabia charter to leave American soil, while everyone else was grounded - also bad and treacherous.

how does this change the guilt of the bid laden people?

but go ahead and insult insult and insult everyone here.

[Bad Dog]

26. I've not insulted anyone.

I've pointed out what you're doing, and what you are. I've not had issue with any of the other posters on this thread, but your grasp of reality seems tenuous at best.

[MariaThinks]

29. same to you

and anyone who thinks that wikeapedia is a more objective source than the Time of India is already showing bias.

[Bad Dog]

30. I think Tip Tok said it best.

I'm not wasting any more time on you.