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Xipe Totec

(43,889 posts)
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 09:01 PM Mar 2016

Justice Ann Walsh Bradley: Uncle who served at Iwo Jima unable to vote

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Source: jsonline.com

Madison — A state Supreme Court justice on Tuesday urged Gov. Scott Walker to allow people to use veterans ID cards to vote after her uncle who fought at Iwo Jima was unable to cast a ballot in last week's primary election.

"It makes no sense to me that this proud patriot with a veterans card displaying his photo would be turned away from the polls and denied the right to vote," Justice Ann Walsh Bradley wrote to the Republican governor.

In her letter, Bradley said her uncle had fought at Iwo Jima, the bloody World War II battle that was immortalized in a photo of the U.S. flag being raised on the tiny Pacific island.

Tuesday marked the 71st anniversary of the 1945 flag raising.

Bradley's uncle, Leo Olson of Reedsburg, tried to use his veterans ID card to vote in last week's primary for a seat on the state Supreme Court, but that form of identification can't be used under the state's voter ID law.

Olson does not have a driver's license.


Read more: http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/justice-ann-walsh-bradley-uncle-who-serve-at-iwo-jima-unable-to-vote-b99675630z1-369874061.html

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Justice Ann Walsh Bradley: Uncle who served at Iwo Jima unable to vote (Original Post) Xipe Totec Mar 2016 OP
wow. a veteran's ID isn't good enough to VOTE? renate Mar 2016 #1
But in Texas you can use a concealed carry permit, but no college ID. Dustlawyer Mar 2016 #15
This is not the America we want: where even a Greatest Generation war hero can't vote! FailureToCommunicate Mar 2016 #2
Scott Walker = loser = UnAmerican jpak Mar 2016 #3
Veterans probably remind him what a chickenshit he is Liberal Unrelenting Mar 2016 #8
What's a veteran's ID? mahatmakanejeeves Mar 2016 #4
Yes, just how you described it. tabasco Mar 2016 #7
They're issued by the service upon discharge or release from active duty sarge43 Mar 2016 #10
I'm a veteran. I don't have one. mahatmakanejeeves Mar 2016 #12
Being retired, my obligation is legally never up sarge43 Mar 2016 #13
No, they're not. tabasco Mar 2016 #18
I sit corrected. n/t sarge43 Mar 2016 #19
Thanks for your career, Sarge43. tabasco Mar 2016 #20
You're welcome sarge43 Mar 2016 #21
Vets get photo IDs to access VA & other vet benefits. Divernan Mar 2016 #11
that's it. I'm DONE uhnope Mar 2016 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author Liberal Unrelenting Mar 2016 #6
GOP passed that shit requirement in PA, but state supreme court blocked it Divernan Mar 2016 #9
RepubliCONs hate veterans and only use soldiers for props. tabasco Mar 2016 #14
That is true! Obama has supported Us and reduced the time we have to wait for adjudication Herself Mar 2016 #17
A man with a WI Supreme Ct justice as a niece didn't get proper ID for voting. HereSince1628 Mar 2016 #16
Locking... BooScout Mar 2016 #22

renate

(13,776 posts)
1. wow. a veteran's ID isn't good enough to VOTE?
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 09:09 PM
Mar 2016

There aren't words for how ridiculous that is.

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
15. But in Texas you can use a concealed carry permit, but no college ID.
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 11:11 PM
Mar 2016

I am tired of our corrupt courts letting these voter I.D. Laws stand when the transparent action is to disenfranchise specific groups of Americans their right to vote!

FailureToCommunicate

(14,012 posts)
2. This is not the America we want: where even a Greatest Generation war hero can't vote!
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 09:10 PM
Mar 2016

Koch-funded Scott Walker, and his kind, must go away.

That poor Veteran.

jpak

(41,757 posts)
3. Scott Walker = loser = UnAmerican
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 09:17 PM
Mar 2016

yup

 
8. Veterans probably remind him what a chickenshit he is
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 09:36 PM
Mar 2016

Disgraceful!

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,393 posts)
4. What's a veteran's ID?
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 09:24 PM
Mar 2016

Who issued it? If it's issued by the Veterans Administration for purposes of providing health care, it should have a photograph of the bearer on it. Any government-issued photo ID ought to work for voting.

I am not in a position to access the original article.

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
7. Yes, just how you described it.
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 09:34 PM
Mar 2016

It has a photo, but is not enough for the fascist voting law in Wisconsin.

sarge43

(28,941 posts)
10. They're issued by the service upon discharge or release from active duty
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 09:45 PM
Mar 2016

The only possible objection could be the photo. Depending upon the time span, the photo could have no resemblance to the individual. Mine doesn't; forty some years have had their way with me.

For the record, a military id is honored in NH.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,393 posts)
12. I'm a veteran. I don't have one.
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 10:11 PM
Mar 2016

When I was on active duty, which was over forty years ago, I had a green card. When my active duty obligation was up, I gave up my green card and got a red card in exchange. It was good enough to get me on base and into a PX or Navy Exchange. Both were photo IDs. At that time , I was in the Reserves. When that obligation ran out, I ended up with no card. That's where I am today.

The only thing people want to see to establish my veteran status is my DD214.

In theory, I suppose I could turn to the VA for medical care (I'm not sure), but it would represent a tremendous misuse of the system.

Thanks for the information.

sarge43

(28,941 posts)
13. Being retired, my obligation is legally never up
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 10:26 PM
Mar 2016

The 214 is the go to for any veteran benefits.

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
18. No, they're not.
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 12:23 PM
Mar 2016

The VA photo ID is only issued to qualified veterans, i.e. retired or disability.

Non-retired/disability vets don't get any kind of photo ID for just leaving the service.

sarge43

(28,941 posts)
19. I sit corrected. n/t
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 12:28 PM
Mar 2016
 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
20. Thanks for your career, Sarge43.
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 01:51 PM
Mar 2016

I thought a sarge was some kind of fish. An old NCO should know something about that, eh?

sarge43

(28,941 posts)
21. You're welcome
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 02:22 PM
Mar 2016

We called worse, sometimes for good reason.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
11. Vets get photo IDs to access VA & other vet benefits.
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 09:45 PM
Mar 2016

However, these government issued IDs do not have expiration dates. The jerks who drafted this legislation threw in the date requirement because a lot of university/college IDs do not have expiration dates, so this would block some students (who didn't have drivers licenses) from voting.

The vets without drivers licenses were collateral damage in this legislation.

Plus people to poor to own cars do not have drivers licenses. So this requirement keeps them out of the polling booths as well.

 

uhnope

(6,419 posts)
5. that's it. I'm DONE
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 09:24 PM
Mar 2016

DONE DONE DONE

Response to Xipe Totec (Original post)

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
9. GOP passed that shit requirement in PA, but state supreme court blocked it
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 09:41 PM
Mar 2016

The requirement was for photo IDs with expiration dates. When the state supreme court decision was pending, during the general election of 2012, some idiot lower court judge (and I say that advisedly, as an attorney myself) ruled that poll workers had to ask each voter for the ID as provided for under the challenged law, but if voters didn't have such an ID they could vote on the machines anyway. We (I'm also a judge of elections) had to therefore advise every single voter when they signed in, that we were required to ask to see ID, explain the convoluted mess in our legislature/court system, and then assure them that they could vote anyway. Idiotic, time consuming and pointless.

The proposed law, since overturned, required a photo ID with an expiration date, like a driver's license. I mean we're talking a goddamned PHOTO. So what if it's expired - is there a rebuttable presumption that someone had plastic surgery to assume another identity?!?!?!

One of our regular voters is a wheelchair bound vet. He does not drive so does not have the state driver's license w/photo and expiration date. So when I explained to him that if the new law was eventually upheld by the state supreme court, he'd need a photo ID, he said, "All I have is this. He handed me his VA medical card, which had his photo on it. OH , but the horrors! It didn't have an expiration date! Of course, it did identify him as a Purple Heart winner.

I had to tell him, "Thank you for your sacrifices. Unfortunately, the Republican majorities in the two chambers of the Pennsylvania legislature do not feel you should be allowed to vote. It may happen that next election, depending on what the state supreme court decides, that you wouldn't be able to vote. You need to find someone with a van that can handle your wheelchair to drive you to one of the state driver's licensing facilities, check to see which days/hours it is open, take time off from their job, and be prepared to sit there and wait with you for several hours while you get an official Pennsylvania state non-driver's photo ID card. (Some of our licensing centers are open 2 days a week.)

Plus you will need to obtain a certified copy of your birth certificate to present to the state office. If you are female and no longer use the name on your birth certificate, you will need a certified copy of your marriage license. Of course you have to pay various fees for these certified copies, plus the new id, plus the cost of transportation - i.e., a goddamned POLL TAX!

Obtaining a new ID card

To apply for an ID, first, you should plan a visit to your local DVS.

You will need to provide one primary document and two secondary documents. The fee to obtain an ID in Pennsylvania is $13.50 for both children and adults. (Note: You must be at least 10 years old to obtain a Pennsylvania ID card)
Provide:

Birth certificate
Certificate of Naturalization
Certificate of Citizenship
Social Security card
Mortgage documents
Tax records
Current utility bills

About Fees: Pennsylvania DVSs accept checks or money orders. Cash is not accepted.
 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
14. RepubliCONs hate veterans and only use soldiers for props.
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 10:31 PM
Mar 2016

Democrats support taking care of our veterans, who have sacrificed a lot. Obama has funded the VA better than any president in history.

Herself

(185 posts)
17. That is true! Obama has supported Us and reduced the time we have to wait for adjudication
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 01:14 AM
Mar 2016

I've got good buddies that are anti Obama, and though I love my brothers, I have had to take proof and shove it down their throats..

Obama helped reserve troops/Veterans better too.

My brother is a Vietnam era Vet. He was denied his Vet benefits, and asked for congressmen to help him.. they blew him off. But! A first lady did help him. He got a letter from her and it informed him that he would get his service connected benefits.. it was signed by Hillary R. Clinton!

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
16. A man with a WI Supreme Ct justice as a niece didn't get proper ID for voting.
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 11:23 PM
Mar 2016

There's a lot more wrong with this than a guy trying to use an ID that had been widely warned to be inadequate.

This wasn't an old guy without relatives who know the law or have resources to get him to a DMV station for a FREE state ID. Imagine how hard it is for people without relatives, people whose relatives aren't politically aware, people without folks who could provide transport.

I really hate this law.

BooScout

(10,406 posts)
22. Locking...
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 03:41 PM
Mar 2016

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