Palestinian attacks kill American tourist, wound 12 Israelis
Source: Washington Post
JERUSALEM — Palestinian attackers unleashed a series of shooting and stabbing assaults on Israelis on Tuesday, including a stabbing spree in the ancient Mediterranean port city of Jaffa that killed an American tourist near where Vice President Joe Biden was meeting with Israel’s former president, police said.
The Jaffa assault came as Biden arrived on a two-day visit as part of a regional tour of the Mideast. He is to meet both Israeli and Palestinian leaders and there have been speculations he would try to revive the moribund Israeli-Palestinian peace talks.
Police spokeswoman Luba Samri said the man killed in Jaffa was an American tourist, but further details were not immediately available. A dozen Israelis, civilians and police officers, were wounded in the Palestinian knife and gun attacks.
Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/israel-palestinian-woman-tries-to-stab-officers-is-killed/2016/03/08/428e3172-e514-11e5-a9ce-681055c7a05f_story.html
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Archae
(46,314 posts)sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)immolated himself in Saigon in 1963. We should have realized we were on the wrong side then and gone home. When the children and old people of those you oppress try to kill you in the street, knowing they will die in the attempt, it's because they've lost all hope for themselves and all fear of you. At that point, it's time to pack up and go home because you're already beaten. You just don't know it yet. The sooner you realize it, the sooner you can make peace. Fifty years is more than long enough to have figured that out.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)that the Israelis 'go home' to???
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)where they belong.
branford
(4,462 posts)well before 1947, or from the foundation of Israel until 1967, the time when Israel actually first gained control of the West Bank and Gaza?
Most Israels remember slogans like "from the river to the sea" or how the United Nations equated Zionism with racism with the support of Arab and Muslim majority nations, hardly bastions of religious pluralism and human rights. They also haven't forgotten much of the Palestinian rhetoric about how an Israel retreat behind the Green Line or a peace settlement would only be a "good start" or "only the beginning." This is the very purpose of demanding a purported Palestinian right of return.
In any event, do you condemn the attacks described in the OP and numerous similar attacks in recent months or not?
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)to be violently assaulted while walking down a street. But somehow Israelis apply that standard only to themselves, as though it's just fine for the IDF to invade Palestinian villages in the middle of the night, break into homes, pull people from their beds, arrest them, kill them. Israel has no problem with permitting settler fanatics to murder Palestinians, firebomb their homes, destroy they crops and steal their land. The Jewish victims of the attacks you rightly condemn are not being killed by phantoms or wild animals. When children and old people are willing to die for the chance of sticking a knife in an Israeli, there is much more going on than inexplicable anti-Semitism.
6chars
(3,967 posts)"where they belong" is an odd phrase. but i think i understand where you are coming from.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)wherever that happens to be, you know, like was agreed to. Maybe then they wouldn't be attacked in retaliation for what their occupiers do to the legitimate residents on the other side of the green line. Please spare me the off handed "where they belong" anti-Semitic ad hominem used to silence people willing to speak truth to the pious hypocrisy that justifies the cruelty of the Israeli occupation.
6chars
(3,967 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)was sooooo peaceful when they were behind the green line? Perhaps the Palestinians should have accepted their state in 1947 rather than going to war and losing over and over again. Or the one that was offered to them that Arafat (according to Bill Clinton) refused that gave him 95% of what he wanted.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)The Hebron Massacre
August 23, 1929
For many years, the small Jewish community in the ancient city of Hebron lived in peace with their tens of thousands of Arab neighbors. But, on the night of August 23, 1929, the tension simmering within this cauldron of nationalities bubbled over and for a period of three days, Hebron turned into a city of terror and murder as the Arab residents led a rampaging massacre against the bewildered and helpless Jewish community.
By the time the massacre ended, 67 Jews lay dead - their homes and synagogues destroyed - and the few hundred survivors were relocated to Jerusalem. The aftermath left Hebron barren of Jews for the first time in hundreds of years.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/hebron29.html
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)claiming it was theirs incited the riots that led eventually to the Hebron massacre. Far worse massacres were perpetrated by the Irgun and Haganah in 1948 and by the IDF in its brutal and indiscriminate leveling of Gaza.
These days, whenever Zionist fanatics want to precipitate Palestinian violence, they invade the Temple Mount and threaten the mosques there. But that is irrelevant. There is no equivalent power dynamic between Jews and Palestinians in Israel anymore. There is no Palestinian army of occupation in Israel, nor are Palestinian "settlers" stealing Israeli land, nor have Palestinian "mowed the grass" in Israeli cities, killing thousands of Jews. As for Hebron, it now has several hundred privileged, arrogant and violent Israeli settlers under the protection of the IDF, making life hell for half a million Palestinian residents there.
Fewer and fewer people are willing to buy into the Israeli Hasbara narrative that peddles the violent colonial Israeli state as the peace loving victim of irrational Palestinian terrorism. It is terrorism. It is not irrational, and the Israeli pot should not be calling the Palestinian kettle black in that regard.
branford
(4,462 posts)Are you serious?
Would you care to describe how the mere presence of Jews "threaten" the mosques there?
Are you suggesting Israelis and Jews don't have a right to enter their most holy religious sight which is sovereign Israeli territory?
You discuss the relative military strength of Israel. If they wanted to damage the mosques, they would have been reduced to gravel many decades ago. Similarly, the "power dynamic between Jews and Palestinians" has nothing to do with the merits of the parties' claims to the land, good or bad, nor does a casualty count. However, military conflict is most certainly not "fair," and no country on earth doesn't defend its citizens. If the Palestinians attack Israels, they should not be surprised when they emerge worse for wear.
Your comments read like little more than complaints that too few Israeli have been killed or injured in the conflict and that Jews don't have a right to self-determination or self-defense.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)with armed soldiers. They are permitted to visit. They are not permitted under agreement between Israel and Jordan to pray there. The Temple Mount is not Israeli territory. Under the Israeli occupation, the Mount has become a tinder box as Jews slowly surround and annex East Jerusalem. Threats to eventually drive out the Muslims and destroy their mosques to build a third temple has become common rhetoric among rightwing Zionists and religious zealots.
If an Arab invader did to Israel what Israel does routinely in Gaza and the West Bank, Jews would call it genocide and demand the world community come to their rescue.
branford
(4,462 posts)Israel's restrictions on the mount are entirely voluntary and discretionary. Jews who go to the mount are accompanied by security because the Palestinians would kill them otherwise. Do you believe non-Muslim prayer on the the mount deserves a death sentence?
Your complaints about "threats to eventually drive out the Muslims and destroy their mosques" also ring hollow in light of the fact if Israel actually wanted to accomplish such goals, they could have done so quite easily for decades. Moreover, given how Jewish holy sites were treated as refuse pits or worse when Arab states controlled the Territories before 1967, the hypocrisy is outstanding.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)territory whether you like it or not. There is something perverse about going with armed escorts to pray where you aren't welcome on land that is not yours, against the wishes of those to whom it rightly does belong. There are mosques on the Temple Mount that have been there for 1300 years. There is no Jewish temple there and hasn't been for 20 centuries. There is no rational argument to be made about right of ownership. I'm sure if Israel ever agreed to internationalize East Jerusalem, and negotiated it rather than forced it, the Palestinians might be persuaded to let them pray there.
As for claiming the Israelis deserve some credit because they could have done much worse to the Palestinians than they have, even Tel Aviv is not immune to world opinion.
6chars
(3,967 posts)it was up to the Arabs to decide whether the temple mount area would be a holy site for Jews or not, and whether or not Jews could be there. In their great magnanimity, the Arabs guarded and restored the site so that all Jews could pray there in comfort and respect. This was not enough, so Israel attacked Jordan and forced the Muslims from their holiest sites to this day.
All in opposite-world. Not in the real world.
"The Palestinians could be persuaded to let them pray there." There's an idea!
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)A Jew sets foot on the precious Temple Mount (invade? fucking spare me the hyperbolic bullshit). According to the recent gallup poll, it's the Palestinians that have gained ZERO ground with Americans - perhaps it's the constant, unending violence. Listening to people like you has gotten them nothing, worse than nothing but you sit pretty where ever you are and tell them if they would just wait a little while longer, they'll get what they want. It's pathetic.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)amaze me. It seems you have no interest at all in right and wrong, just in win or loose. Of course it's the constant unending violence. I would think you would admire the underdog in this fight. They just refuse get down on their knees and accept their fate. Do you ever wonder why? Have you ever taken a look at the situation from their point of view? They don't listen to people like me, they inform people like me, and people like me have begun to slowly change American public opinion about the status quo in Israel/Palestine that is partially paid for and maintained with $4 billion American dollars annually.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)How's that for black and white thinking? You have changed no opinion and you don't even realize why that is. What a pity.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)War is wrong. Injustice is wrong. Oppression is wrong. Unnecessary suffering is wrong. No one's mind can be changed without a willingness to seriously consider another point of view. Refusal to do that is indeed a pity.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)You CLEARLY stated that Israel was at fault for this tourists death. And now you want to lay this as a difference of opinion.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)for the endless cycle of violence, and it is. Then I asked you if you believed they were blameless in the matter of the tourists death. Well, were they? The tone and insinuation of this discussion has been that somehow there is always justification for Jews to kill Arabs, but never, never any justification for Arabs to kill Jews. Anyone with even a modicum of familiarity with that conflict knows that such a position requires either blind credulity of calculated cynicism.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)THIS entire story is about THIS American tourist who was stabbed. You were asked in post 21 if it was Israel that was responsible for it and in post 25 you said "Yeah, pretty much". Now you want to get out of that by posting something even worse. That Israel is responsible for ALL the violence. I've never said there is justification for any violence - you see, that's your problem. You want to completely heave the blame to one side only and project that ridiculous view onto me. I wont let you do that EVER. I will hold you to account for what you posted and posting that the Palestinians aren't responsible for the daily stabbings that are happening is fantasyland bullshit. And you're right, blind credulity is the problem, but it's YOUR problem.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)Because you seem to have a real problem with reading comprehension. You are the one doing the projecting. Read the entire goddamn text, quit obsessing over a single phrase you want to use for a gotcha point and relax before you have a fucking stroke. Your real problem is becoming apoplectic becasue I dared to criticize Israel. Well, let me tell you something, that place deserves a lot more condemnation than it gets, and it is responsible for most of the violence between Jews and Palestinians. Now, try and get your head around this: The phrase 'pretty much' in English is synonymous with phrases like 'most likely, 'probably, 'most of the time' and what not. It does not mean 'all of the time.' Got it? Now, try and grasp this for heaven's sake: Israel is pretty much responsible for most of the violence (not all). You out to be fucking ashamed of yourself for using the death of an American tourist or anyone else to wave your bloody shirt at me and suggest that it if a Palestinian kills an Israeli or anyone else, that ALL Palestinians are responsible, or that if one Jew is killed by a Palestinian, all Jews are victims. Fuck that.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)I never said anything like that and you know it. Don't put your bullshit on me and try and back away from what you posted. You'll never find me posting anything like what you just tried to shove in my mouth. But projection is what you seem to be best at.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)that you lack both a sense of moral equivalency and objectivity.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)Is that I find moral relativism complete bullshi and your lack of objectivity is there for everyone to see - it's what started this subtyread
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)You begin by parroting the hasbara that casts Israel as an innocent victim of irrational Palestinian anti-Semitism and blames them for everything that has happened to them since 1947, and for not accepting their inferior status in the Jewish State and its occupied territories. That is the definition of moral relativism. In an attempt to avoid that, you have seized upon the death of one unfortunate American who was caught in the crossfire and raised it to the status of martyrdom, while dismissing the deaths of thousands of Palestinians as just desserts for their hatred of Jews. Have you ever heard of Rachel Corrie? She was another American martyr.
branford
(4,462 posts)does not have more or less merit and their viewpoints no more persuasive because they purportedly are "underdogs." That's sounds like radical left, post-colonial, college campus nonsense and certainly doesn't reflect the official views of our Democratic Party. It's similar to arguments that demand Israel not defend themselves because they're stronger and wars like the recent hostilities in Gaza weren't "fair."
You talk of viewing the situation from a Palestinian point of view. That view still includes a substantial "from the river to the see" perspective that rejected the original partition plan, including the official viewpoint of Hamas, the government of Gaza which has no Israelis or Jews.
The existence and security of Israel is not a "compromise" to be negotiated, and it takes two committed and good-faith sides to achieve peace.
iandhr
(6,852 posts)That has been an anti-semetic rallying cry for a few millennia now.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)No one is sending anyone back anywhere. Today is not a thousand years ago. Israel is an advanced, nuclear armed nations that holds millions of Palestinians in bondage and is slowing displacing them from their ancestral homes. That is illegal under international law, and is an affront to the norms of modern nations.
iandhr
(6,852 posts)The day after Israel became independent it was invaded by 5 Arab countries. If Israel lost there would have been another mass slaughter of Jews right after the holocaust.
I oppose settlements in the West Bank and believe a two state solution is needed to ensure the survival of Israel and that Palestinians have legitimate grievances but that does not justify these acts of terror against civilians,
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)as an excuse for a 50 year occupation and slow annexation of land that never belonged to the Israeli state and is illegal under the law of nations. The Palestinians have more than legitimate grievances, they have a right to resist Israeli occupation and to drive Israeli armies and colonial invaders back behind the 1948 armistice line, although they'd most likely settle for being treated like human beings instead of vermin and given the same rights as Israeli Jews, but that doesn't seem likely to happen anytime soon.
iandhr
(6,852 posts)I think Bibi is an asshole for the record. And I said I think the settlements wrong. However I might be a little more sympathetic if they didn't go around stabbing tourists randomly.
branford
(4,462 posts)Think of them as "Zionists" or "Jews."
It makes all the difference in whether they "deserve" to be attacked. 
iandhr
(6,852 posts)But my hope is that I might be able to get through to a few people who are reading this but not posting.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)For every innocent Jew killed in this struggle by Palestinians ten innocent Palestinians are killed by Jews, and a high number of them are children. When you selectively use the label terrorist to describe an entire people, but exclude yourself, then all of your dead are innocent victims but none of theirs.
Feeling the Bern
(3,839 posts)Now, we have no friends. . .all because of you!
I'm waiting for someone to say "terrorism is the only weapon the Palestinians have" and someone to blame Israel for this terrorist attack,
iandhr
(6,852 posts)Feeling the Bern
(3,839 posts)This is about the one issue I stray from liberals about.
iandhr
(6,852 posts)Some notable excerpts
A recent Oberlin alumna, Isabel Storch Sherrell, wrote in a Facebook post of the students she’d heard dismissing the Holocaust as mere “white on white crime.” As reported by David Bernstein in The Washington Post, she wrote of Jewish students, “Our struggle does not intersect with other forms of racism.”
Here is some
You have to see stuff like that to believe it.
The rise of the leftist Jeremy Corbyn to the leadership of Britain’s opposition Labour Party appears to have empowered a far left for whom support of the Palestinians is uncritical and for whom, in the words of Alan Johnson, a British political theorist, “that which the demonological Jew once was, demonological Israel now is.”
Corbyn is no anti-Semite. But he has called Hamas and Hezbollah agents of “long-term peace and social justice and political justice in the whole region,” and once invited to Parliament a Palestinian Islamist, Raed Salah, who has suggested Jews were absent from the World Trade Center on 9/11. Corbyn called him an “honored citizen.” The “Corbynistas” on British campuses extol their fight against the “racist colonization of Palestine,” as one Oxford student, James Elliott, put it. Elliott was narrowly defeated last month in a bid to become youth representative on Labour’s national executive committee.
A hero of DU (we also have a Putin Fan Club) is pro Hamas and implies Jews were responsible for 9/11. One poster on this page sounds like that.
Feeling the Bern
(3,839 posts)iandhr
(6,852 posts)But the folks on the far left bury their heads and refuse to acknowledge it.
Throd
(7,208 posts)I was going to respond to it, but I then decided to see if it would elicit any discussion.
Last time I checked it had 200 views and no responses.
iandhr
(6,852 posts)Given the subject being discussed.
6chars
(3,967 posts)as is advocating murder and such.
Feeling the Bern
(3,839 posts)Jewish blood has been cheap for over 2000 years to those with European ancestory. Before 1948, when Arabs treated their Jewish population as second class citizens, no one cares.
Now, that Jews in Israel have turned the tables, Jews are wrong.
Jewish people like me have dealt with a double standard for centuries.
6chars
(3,967 posts)sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)of the UN partition mandate of 1947, drove 700,000 Palestinians from their homes, killed thousands, annexed their land and massacred entire villages of civilians. At no time in the history of the Jewish people have Arabs done anything even remotely as ruthless as that to them. Consider the names of these places before talking about a double standard: Saliha, Deir Yassin, Al-Dawayima, Tantura, and many others.
6chars
(3,967 posts)sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)I thought we were discussion the '48 war. The question you might want to consider is why people who had been living in relative peace for centuries in those countries were kicked out in 1948? Do you suppose the Nakba had anything to do with it? Just asking.
6chars
(3,967 posts)In Europe today, for example, or Uruguay, when Muslims kill Jews and scream Allahu Akbar, some people - you might agree with them - say this is just a normal response to Israel's existence. But that's not right. It is Jew hatred. The history of why the Muslims held pogroms against Jews is not one of human rights advocacy as you might imagine, it was racism. It was self-defense, it wasn't chaos of war, it was just hatred. Some progressives like to give that kind of hatred a pass - historically and in the present - when the targets are Jews.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/198216/in-academe-shouldnt-blatant-and-repeated-anti-semitism-be-a-fireable-offense?utm_source=tabletmagazinelist&utm_campaign=b9e2e95f0b-Monday_March_7_20163_7_2016&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_c308bf8edb-b9e2e95f0b-206638286
A very good online friend who has a (Jewish) son at Oberlin was to have a conversation with the President of the university last night. I'm looking forward to hearing what became of that
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)snip
But some passionate supporters of Palestinian justice deny antisemitism exists and regard all accusations of it as an attempt to shut down criticism of Israel. While they would never dream of denying the existence of racism against, say, black people or Muslims, they treat antisemitism as a political device constructed by militant supporters of Israeli occupation. And in doing so, they fail to properly scrutinise it within their own ranks; there are those who are soft on it.
I have challenged dodgy pronouncements from people who profess to advocate Palestinian justice.Jewish people are sometimes told that antisemitism is caused by Israel’s actions, for example. These are the same people who would never dream of victim-blaming members of other minorities, or claim that anybody was at fault other than the bigot themselves. Others play linguistic games: how can it be antisemitism, they say, when Palestinians are also “Semites” – members of a group of people originally of the ancient Middle East that includes Jews and Arabs – even though “antisemitism” has meant “anti-Jewish hatred” for generations. (This is like saying, “I’m not homophobic because I’m not scared of gays.”)
There are those who imply that Jewish people are somehow synonymous with the Israeli government (a slur echoed by some uncritical cheerleaders of Israeli state policy). And some use terms like “Jewish lobby”, a classic antisemitic trope suggesting there is an organised Jewish cabal exercising behind-the-scenes influence worldwide. And so on.
Antisemitism is too serious to become a convenient means to undermine political opponents. It is a menace: not just in its overt forms, but in subtler, pernicious forms too. There’s no excuse for the left to downplay it, or to pretend it doesn’t exist within its own ranks. Rather than being defensive, the left should seize any opportunity to confront the cancer of antisemitism and eradicate it for good.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)Feeling the Bern
(3,839 posts)iandhr
(6,852 posts)The poster will probably say that this tourist bears responsibility as well.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)Surely, you don't think they're blameless in all of this.
branford
(4,462 posts)against civilians in pursuit of political goals?
Feeling the Bern
(3,839 posts)they are still wrong. And little will be done to convince me that the Israel bashing is nothing more than anti-Semitism sheltered in police disagreements.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)and its zealot settlers cease their systematic and increasingly institutionalized violence against the Palestinians, the Palestinians will no longer have any excuse for such acts themselves, but the violently oppressed and subjugated have a right to resist and to retaliate in kind.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)you think the American tourist was to blame for his own death? You can't possibly mean that.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)That person is dead and either did or did not deserve to die. I wouldn't know. I doubt may people do,but I would think not. What people deserve changes nothing. Maybe if enough people over there stopped believing that they belong there and the other group doesn't, or that they have some foolish god given right to kill each other, things might improve. What do you think?
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)blaming Israel for this tourist's death so I'm guessing you have no problem at all with the answer to "what does blame have to do with this?" A tourist. I'm done here.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)of preconceived prejudices that have rendered you emotionally unwilling to challenge your own bias on this matter. Yea, we're done.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)about how even the death of a AMERICAN tourist by the hands of Palestinian is still Israel's fault - it's showing everyone here where you're coming from. I'm still laughing at your charge that I'm unwilling to challenge my bias when you make a repulsive claim like the one you did here.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)Just spit it out you'll feel better.
This is the text you use, I assume, to accuse me of blaming Israel. Read it again. Now, what repulsive claim were you referring to? I asked you a question. You have not answered it.
What does blame have to do with it? That person is dead and either did or did not deserve to die. I wouldn't know. I doubt may people do,but I would think not. What people deserve changes nothing. Maybe if enough people over there stopped believing that they belong there and the other group doesn't, or that they have some foolish god given right to kill each other, things might improve. What do you think?
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)Post 21 asks if you are implying Israel is to blame. In post 25 you say QUOTE: Yeah, pretty much. So that's where I got the idea you're blaming Israel. The rest of your post is complete drivel and an attempt to get out of what you yourself posted by deflecting. It wont work. THAT's where you're coming from. Trying to get out of what you already posted earlier.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)it's pretty much too late to get out of it. For future reference, insults are no rebuttals.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)Do feel free to let me know when you do. Until then, enjoy the teeny, tiny little minority you're part of.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)Mr. Goliath, sir. But watch out for that Palestinian David guy. You can find photographs of him using his sling to hurl stones at Israeli Philistines. You're on the wrong side of history. Sorry.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)Yes, ma'am
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)I said clearly, and in plain English, that Israel was primarily responsible for the violence taking place against both Israelis and Palestinians. Rational analysis of history for the past 50 years confirms that. The fake moral outrage over the death of Israelis and the complete indifference to the mass murder of Palestinians is what I find most repugnant about your kind of supremacist narrative.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)insistence on ignoring the daily terrorism that Israel faces and refusal to hold the Palestinians to any moral responsibility for that violence and their historical habit of voting in terrorists and criminals who steal all their aid and fuck them over is noted.
6chars
(3,967 posts)"That person is dead and either did or did not deserve to die. I wouldn't know. I doubt may people do,but I would think not."
That's special for you. I wonder if his family and friends feel as strongly as you. No, they feel more strongly. They know that he was a guy who was doing the right things with his life, and then was on a trip where some monster murdered him.
There is no ambiguity here. It is a moral failing to see ambiguity in this case.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)of moral outrage when the IDF leveled whole neighborhoods in Gaza in 2014 and indiscriminately destroyed schools, hospitals and homes. In the process they killed at least 2200 Palestinians, 70% of whom were non-combatants and several hundred of whom were children. If that kind of behavior is permissible so Israel can defend itself, then how is it terrorism for Palestinians to strike back within Israel when an Israeli army of occupation makes their lives miserable and religious zealots steal their land?
6chars
(3,967 posts)I certainly did not say "children who may or may not have deserved to die."
You can make a judgment that Hamas firing thousands of rockets at Israel and building tunnels to infiltrate Israeli kibbutzes did not justify an Israeli response of the magnitude that occurred. But dismantling the tunnels and eliminating the rockets is something that it is easy to argue relates to defense.
Your argument would be more like defending an Israeli soldier who unrelated to such action just walked up to a child (let's say a young child, just to be clear about the analogy) standing there and shot them in the head, and then you would say "I don't know whether or not the child deserved to die." Nope, that would be murder and it would merit the severest punishment and condemnation.
No, it is not ok for Palestinians to "strike back" as you seem to believe by killing random civilians including American tourists. Of course not.
I am astounded.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)
Peace.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)the Palestinians bear NO responsiblity for the violence. They're innocent little puppies who have NO CHOICE but to turn to violence (they've obviously never heard of MLK and Gandhi). I guess if some native Americans decided to shoot up the Mall of America, that would be just peachy keen with some of these posters.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I can understand marches, even a bit of disorganized chaos at times but planned attacks like this are just, terrorising the entire nation. Just like here at home. There has to be a better way. I just cannot see it. I cannot see how or who this helps.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)It's nothing but terrorism but still it gets supported here. It's nauseating.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)We all know it. Anybody who can look at this and not see that is lying to themselves. Some folks were refusing to call the Charleston church shooter a terorist too. It's like folks are just ignoring reality.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)GAZA CITY (Ma'an) -- A number of Palestinian factions on Wednesday applauded a series of attacks that began the day before, killing one American tourist and wounding more than a dozen Israelis, with some factions calling for more to follow.
Gaza's de facto leader Hamas said in a statement that the attacks were "evidence that the al-Quds Intifada will continue until its goals are achieved, and that all conspiracies to thwart the intifada have failed."
http://www.maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=770627
