Obama Criticizes the ‘Free Riders’ Among America’s Allies
Source: NYT
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If were not talking to them, he said, referring to young people in those places, because the only thing were doing is figuring out how to destroy or cordon off or control the malicious, nihilistic, violent parts of humanity, then were missing the boat.
Mr. Obama also said his support of the NATO military intervention in Libya had been a mistake, driven in part by his erroneous belief that Britain and France would bear more of the burden of the operation. He stoutly defended his refusal not to enforce his own red line against Syrias president, Bashar al-Assad, even though Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. argued internally, the magazine reported, that big nations dont bluff.
The president disputed criticism that he should have done more to resist the aggression of President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia in Ukraine. As a neighbor of Russia, Mr. Obama said, Ukraine was always going to matter more to Mr. Putin than to the United States. This meant that in any military confrontation between Moscow and the West, Russia was going to maintain escalatory dominance over its former satellite state.
The fact is that Ukraine, which is a non-NATO country, is going to be vulnerable to military domination by Russia no matter what we do, he said. This is an example of where we have to be very clear about what our core interests are and what we are willing to go to war for.
Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/10/world/middleeast/obama-criticizes-the-free-riders-among-americas-allies.html?_r=0
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)How Hillary Clinton convinced Obama to intervene in Libya...
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/28/us/politics/hillary-clinton-libya.html?_r=0
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)In a sane world, a sitting president backing the hell out of a situation his Secretary of State pushed for, that resulted in the utter collapse of another nation, a lethal migrant crisis, and a forward base of a frightening-as-shit terrorist 'state" would be more than enough to sink that Secretary of State's own presidential bid.
But we live, unfortunately, in a world where the topic of discussion is going to be the color of Sanders' jacket and the contents of Trump's trousers.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)americannightmare
(322 posts)Of course, the first step is admitting that you're (the U.S.) the problem. Who was it that went into Iraq while most of the rest of the world watched in horror, further destabilizing the Middle East? Who is it that continues to occupy Afghanistan and Iraq, and is the primary driver behind drone warfare and the bombing of innocents all over the Middle East? And to think it all started AT LEAST 70 years ago!..............http://andrewgavinmarshall.com/2012/03/02/the-u-s-strategy-to-control-middle-eastern-oil-one-of-the-greatest-material-prizes-in-world-history/
Wilms
(26,795 posts)Especially so with Ukraine.
He ought to YANK Victoria Nuland back to the US and revoke her passport. She's another Super-Predator.
Deuce
(959 posts)Theres a playbook in Washington that presidents are supposed to follow, Mr. Obama said. And the playbook prescribes responses to different events, and these responses tend to be militarized responses. This consensus, the president continued, can lead to bad decisions. In the midst of an international challenge like Syria, he said, you are judged harshly if you dont follow the playbook, even if there are good reasons.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)the same playbook as Clinton, Bush, McCain and Romney.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)Because when push came to shove, he was. It's been like a pattern, they try to give him the bums rush with some stupid foreign policy initiative, spin up the Mighty Wurlitzer, and he gives them something, but not what they wanted. And he has gotten better at it.
mountain grammy
(26,614 posts)Definitely one of the reasons he had my support. I was disappointed in several of his appointments for that very reason. How can we see change with the same people doing the work?
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)so many issues. Clinton is not smiling this morning.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)Finally somebody stops spewing drivel and talks about things like an adult.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)since Sanders campaign began. Last night was extraordinary, on the world stage
out loud, very loud actually, truth seeps out. It can be a painful thing for some
to hear yet Obama's words here..what an awesome response. I get the motive
behind it, and that's fine b/c again, truth is spilling out on how things "work"
in DC and our foreign policies.
I am very encouraged for the world this morning, bemildred.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)IDemo
(16,926 posts)That is a very kind way of putting American history.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)cprise
(8,445 posts)...then I don't think Latin America wants Obama as their friend.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)bemildred
(90,061 posts)President Obama has repeatedly ruled out requests by Secretary of State John Kerry to launch missiles at regime targets in Syria, according to a report published Thursday.
Over the past year, Kerry has argued the strikes are not intended to overthrow President Bashar Assad, but instead would send a message with the goal of bringing him to the negotiating table to broker a peace deal, according to The Atlantics Jeffrey Goldberg.
But Obama was not convinced, and has grown frustrated with the requests.
Oh, another proposal? Obama said when Kerry recently dropped off a new outline of ways to pressure Assad.
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/272500-obama-denied-kerry-requests-for-syrian-missile-strikes
Angel Martin
(942 posts)everyone has disappointed him in some way.
Bradical79
(4,490 posts)It really could of been much, much worse with anyone else in that position. He's being upfront about some of those mistakes already (like Libyia) giving case studies we should learn from.
cprise
(8,445 posts)And then when she left State, Hillary -- and this neocon advisor, Robert Kagan -- denounced Obama's handling of Libya because he didn't pounce hard or fast enough.
Xolodno
(6,390 posts)...developed, updated, etc. by specific CIA and Policy analysts who probably still follow a formula that uses the Cold War as a basis. That being, get a friendly government installed before the Soviets or China does.
An example where another President didn't follow it, JFK in regards to Cuba and Vietnam.
independentpiney
(1,510 posts)he'd be called a Putin-lover and other ridiculous names by certain DUers.
cprise
(8,445 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,300 posts)Here's the interview: http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/04/the-obama-doctrine/471525/
While Hillary Clinton and others get the blame in the article for championing intervention in Libya (which was done because Gaddafi had said of the rebels "we will kill them like rats" in 2011, by 2013, Obama was setting a 'red line' in Syria about Assad attacking his rebels with chemical weapons. He criticises Britain and France for advocating the intervention in Libya although it looked like it'd be chaos afterwards; but in 2013, he wanted to do the same thing, in Syria.
I think he's trying to blame Hillary, and the British and French, a bit too much - after all, she wasn't there by 2013, but he still came down on the side of Syrian intervention. And while Cameron personally supported the bombing of Assad, he was stopped by a vote in the British parliament - and then Obama backed down.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)Basically.
But you're right, he comes across as resistant to criticism. And he gets annoyed. On the other hand he gets a lot of bad advice.