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bemildred

(90,061 posts)
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 08:49 AM Mar 2016

Obama Criticizes the ‘Free Riders’ Among America’s Allies

Source: NYT

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“If we’re not talking to them,” he said, referring to young people in those places, “because the only thing we’re doing is figuring out how to destroy or cordon off or control the malicious, nihilistic, violent parts of humanity, then we’re missing the boat.”

Mr. Obama also said his support of the NATO military intervention in Libya had been a “mistake,” driven in part by his erroneous belief that Britain and France would bear more of the burden of the operation. He stoutly defended his refusal not to enforce his own red line against Syria’s president, Bashar al-Assad, even though Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. argued internally, the magazine reported, that “big nations don’t bluff.”

The president disputed criticism that he should have done more to resist the aggression of President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia in Ukraine. As a neighbor of Russia, Mr. Obama said, Ukraine was always going to matter more to Mr. Putin than to the United States. This meant that in any military confrontation between Moscow and the West, Russia was going to maintain “escalatory dominance” over its former satellite state.

“The fact is that Ukraine, which is a non-NATO country, is going to be vulnerable to military domination by Russia no matter what we do,” he said. “This is an example of where we have to be very clear about what our core interests are and what we are willing to go to war for.”

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/10/world/middleeast/obama-criticizes-the-free-riders-among-americas-allies.html?_r=0

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Obama Criticizes the ‘Free Riders’ Among America’s Allies (Original Post) bemildred Mar 2016 OP
"The president was wary. The secretary of state was persuasive." PoliticAverse Mar 2016 #1
Yeeeeah... Scootaloo Mar 2016 #2
+1. Interesting times, indeed. n/t Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #6
Here, here! americannightmare Mar 2016 #20
Well, I appreciate him clarifying. Wilms Mar 2016 #3
Playbook... Deuce Mar 2016 #4
He was elected partially because people believed he would be less-likely to follow... PoliticAverse Mar 2016 #7
Yes, and that is why I gave his campaign money twice and still support him. bemildred Mar 2016 #10
Exactly! mountain grammy Mar 2016 #17
Very very interesting...every man for himself. Sanders has blown the lid off of Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #5
I am struggling with confirmation bias at the moment. bemildred Mar 2016 #8
lol I hear ya. I am not sure I have ever been so pleased by what has developed Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #9
Indeed. I had to go make some coffee so I can pay attention. nt bemildred Mar 2016 #11
lol Enjoy! Today is a damn good day. :) Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #12
"responses tend to be militarized responses" IDemo Mar 2016 #13
He understates things, try this: bemildred Mar 2016 #14
Dear President Obama, please keep up the blunt. +1. Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #18
If Honduras and Haiti are any indication cprise Mar 2016 #24
I know, I am referring to his omissions, I'm not trying to give him cover. n/t Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #27
Obama denied Kerry requests for Syrian missile strikes bemildred Mar 2016 #15
Poor President Obama Angel Martin Mar 2016 #16
Barak Obama was clearly the right choice Bradical79 Mar 2016 #19
Hillary and her pro-Iraq War advisor got their way anyway cprise Mar 2016 #25
I'd bet money that this "playbook" is Xolodno Mar 2016 #21
If he posted his comments on Ukraine here under an anonymous user name independentpiney Mar 2016 #22
Lol, you're probably right! cprise Mar 2016 #26
ha ha..true. n/t Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #28
kick Blue_Tires Mar 2016 #23
He's being a bit inconsistent about Libya and Syria, I think muriel_volestrangler Mar 2016 #29
Well, I think he's kicking them all in the nuts and saying what are you going to do about it? bemildred Mar 2016 #30
 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
2. Yeeeeah...
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 09:00 AM
Mar 2016

In a sane world, a sitting president backing the hell out of a situation his Secretary of State pushed for, that resulted in the utter collapse of another nation, a lethal migrant crisis, and a forward base of a frightening-as-shit terrorist 'state" would be more than enough to sink that Secretary of State's own presidential bid.

But we live, unfortunately, in a world where the topic of discussion is going to be the color of Sanders' jacket and the contents of Trump's trousers.

americannightmare

(322 posts)
20. Here, here!
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 01:40 PM
Mar 2016

Of course, the first step is admitting that you're (the U.S.) the problem. Who was it that went into Iraq while most of the rest of the world watched in horror, further destabilizing the Middle East? Who is it that continues to occupy Afghanistan and Iraq, and is the primary driver behind drone warfare and the bombing of innocents all over the Middle East? And to think it all started AT LEAST 70 years ago!..............http://andrewgavinmarshall.com/2012/03/02/the-u-s-strategy-to-control-middle-eastern-oil-one-of-the-greatest-material-prizes-in-world-history/

 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
3. Well, I appreciate him clarifying.
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 09:08 AM
Mar 2016

Especially so with Ukraine.

He ought to YANK Victoria Nuland back to the US and revoke her passport. She's another Super-Predator.

Deuce

(959 posts)
4. Playbook...
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 09:17 AM
Mar 2016

“There’s a playbook in Washington that presidents are supposed to follow,” Mr. Obama said. “And the playbook prescribes responses to different events, and these responses tend to be militarized responses.” This consensus, the president continued, can lead to bad decisions. “In the midst of an international challenge like Syria,” he said, “you are judged harshly if you don’t follow the playbook, even if there are good reasons.”

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
7. He was elected partially because people believed he would be less-likely to follow...
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 09:27 AM
Mar 2016

the same playbook as Clinton, Bush, McCain and Romney.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
10. Yes, and that is why I gave his campaign money twice and still support him.
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 09:40 AM
Mar 2016

Because when push came to shove, he was. It's been like a pattern, they try to give him the bums rush with some stupid foreign policy initiative, spin up the Mighty Wurlitzer, and he gives them something, but not what they wanted. And he has gotten better at it.

mountain grammy

(26,614 posts)
17. Exactly!
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 10:53 AM
Mar 2016

Definitely one of the reasons he had my support. I was disappointed in several of his appointments for that very reason. How can we see change with the same people doing the work?

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
5. Very very interesting...every man for himself. Sanders has blown the lid off of
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 09:25 AM
Mar 2016

so many issues. Clinton is not smiling this morning.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
8. I am struggling with confirmation bias at the moment.
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 09:28 AM
Mar 2016


Finally somebody stops spewing drivel and talks about things like an adult.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
9. lol I hear ya. I am not sure I have ever been so pleased by what has developed
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 09:39 AM
Mar 2016

since Sanders campaign began. Last night was extraordinary, on the world stage
out loud, very loud actually, truth seeps out. It can be a painful thing for some
to hear yet Obama's words here..what an awesome response. I get the motive
behind it, and that's fine b/c again, truth is spilling out on how things "work"
in DC and our foreign policies.

I am very encouraged for the world this morning, bemildred.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
14. He understates things, try this:
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 10:06 AM
Mar 2016
Mr. Obama’s frustration with much of the Arab world is not new, but rarely has he been so blunt about it. He placed his comments in the context of his broader struggle to extract the United States from the bloody morass of the Middle East so that the nation can focus on more promising, faster-growing parts of the world, like Asia and Latin America.

cprise

(8,445 posts)
24. If Honduras and Haiti are any indication
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 05:42 PM
Mar 2016

...then I don't think Latin America wants Obama as their friend.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
15. Obama denied Kerry requests for Syrian missile strikes
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 10:36 AM
Mar 2016

President Obama has repeatedly ruled out requests by Secretary of State John Kerry to launch missiles at regime targets in Syria, according to a report published Thursday.

Over the past year, Kerry has argued the strikes are not intended to overthrow President Bashar Assad, but instead would “send a message” with the goal of bringing him to the negotiating table to broker a peace deal, according to The Atlantic’s Jeffrey Goldberg.

But Obama was not convinced, and has grown frustrated with the requests.

“Oh, another proposal?” Obama said when Kerry recently dropped off a new outline of ways to pressure Assad.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/272500-obama-denied-kerry-requests-for-syrian-missile-strikes

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
19. Barak Obama was clearly the right choice
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 12:08 PM
Mar 2016

It really could of been much, much worse with anyone else in that position. He's being upfront about some of those mistakes already (like Libyia) giving case studies we should learn from.

cprise

(8,445 posts)
25. Hillary and her pro-Iraq War advisor got their way anyway
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 05:47 PM
Mar 2016

And then when she left State, Hillary -- and this neocon advisor, Robert Kagan -- denounced Obama's handling of Libya because he didn't pounce hard or fast enough.

Xolodno

(6,390 posts)
21. I'd bet money that this "playbook" is
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 03:11 PM
Mar 2016

...developed, updated, etc. by specific CIA and Policy analysts who probably still follow a formula that uses the Cold War as a basis. That being, get a friendly government installed before the Soviets or China does.

An example where another President didn't follow it, JFK in regards to Cuba and Vietnam.

independentpiney

(1,510 posts)
22. If he posted his comments on Ukraine here under an anonymous user name
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 03:12 PM
Mar 2016

he'd be called a Putin-lover and other ridiculous names by certain DUers.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,300 posts)
29. He's being a bit inconsistent about Libya and Syria, I think
Fri Mar 11, 2016, 09:29 AM
Mar 2016

Here's the interview: http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/04/the-obama-doctrine/471525/

While Hillary Clinton and others get the blame in the article for championing intervention in Libya (which was done because Gaddafi had said of the rebels "we will kill them like rats&quot in 2011, by 2013, Obama was setting a 'red line' in Syria about Assad attacking his rebels with chemical weapons. He criticises Britain and France for advocating the intervention in Libya although it looked like it'd be chaos afterwards; but in 2013, he wanted to do the same thing, in Syria.

I think he's trying to blame Hillary, and the British and French, a bit too much - after all, she wasn't there by 2013, but he still came down on the side of Syrian intervention. And while Cameron personally supported the bombing of Assad, he was stopped by a vote in the British parliament - and then Obama backed down.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
30. Well, I think he's kicking them all in the nuts and saying what are you going to do about it?
Fri Mar 11, 2016, 10:05 AM
Mar 2016

Basically.

But you're right, he comes across as resistant to criticism. And he gets annoyed. On the other hand he gets a lot of bad advice.

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