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Sat Mar 12, 2016, 04:20 PM

Sanders camp fires back at Clinton for healthcare comments

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Source: The Hill

"I don't know where he was when I was trying to get healthcare in '93 and '94," Clinton said, according to New York Times reporter Amy Chozick.

"Literally standing right behind her," Mike Casca tweeted with a photo of Clinton and Sanders during a speech on healthcare.



Others shared an image of a note from Clinton to Sanders thanking him for his "commitment to real health care."



Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/272790-sanders-spokesperson-fires-back-at-clinton-for-healthcare



Hillary's trustworthiness polling weakness is a disaster of her own making.

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Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 OP
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Response to Attorney in Texas (Original post)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 04:22 PM

1. She just says stuff and doesn't expect to be checked.

It's not the 90's anymore!

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Response to thereismore (Reply #1)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 04:28 PM

6. She would have been a better candidate before the Internet. n/t

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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #6)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:32 PM

53. No she wouldn't.

She would just have gotten away with more of her lies.

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Response to thereismore (Reply #1)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:15 PM

19. Really! the 90s are over. Desperate, lame fail -

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Response to thereismore (Reply #1)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:30 PM

50. It's nearing the point where I think she doesn't really give a shit if she's caught anymore. nt

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Response to Attorney in Texas (Original post)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 04:24 PM

2. she just keeps lying

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Response to Attorney in Texas (Original post)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 04:26 PM

3. When will the DNC realize they have

a serial liar running for POTUS?

Either she has some serious brain malfunction or she truly is an out and out liar and says anything to suit her agenda

If she is the candidate, she will not win.

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Response to montanacowboy (Reply #3)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:09 PM

15. malfunction

That 1st possibility is getting more and more credible. I refuse to believe she is evil or stupid. This is very sad.

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Response to Attorney in Texas (Original post)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 04:27 PM

4. I'm literally shaking my head. Usually it's Republican candidates that are this divorced from past

reality.

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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #4)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:49 PM

85. She's just narcissistic.

She's pissed that he is giving her trouble because it is "her turn." I think all these insults she is throwing at him are much more petulant than they are vicious. The problem is that they add up and are destructive to both her credibility and any support she might want from Bernie supporters if she does win the nomination. Is is possible to disagree agreeably -- but apparently she reserves that for disagreements she has with Republicans.

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Response to Attorney in Texas (Original post)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 04:27 PM

5. The inscribed photo is priceless. ROFL.

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Response to Attorney in Texas (Original post)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 04:28 PM

7. She has no dirt on Sanders, so she resorts to lies.

Pretty pathetic. I pray Bernie prevails and is our nominee for all of us.

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Response to Attorney in Texas (Original post)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 04:32 PM

8. What the fuck is her problem?

 

This is the second major lie in two days.

Does she not think before she opens her mouth? Does she not realize that others can fact check these comments and revisions?

She is unravelling, and I can't say I am sad to see it happening.

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Response to Attorney in Texas (Original post)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 04:34 PM

9. It concerns me that she does not understand social media

It's astounding.

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Response to jillan (Reply #9)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:29 PM

120. Perhaps an introduction is in order. Hillary, meet our friends the Googles, the Facebook,

and the Reddit, all of which are on the Innertubes. Did you ever see those on that private server?

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Response to Attorney in Texas (Original post)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 04:40 PM

10. He had your back, Hills. Literally! nt

 

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Response to magical thyme (Reply #10)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:31 PM

122. Yup.

He has her back. Yet, she stabs him in the back.

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Response to Attorney in Texas (Original post)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 04:48 PM

11. UnFrickin' believable!!!!

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Response to Attorney in Texas (Original post)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 04:54 PM

12. What did he do other than stand there?

Yes, Hillary was very gracious with thank you notes in 1993 to people who said they supported her or in Sanders' case, said they were "committed," but that does not confirm those people actually fought along side her when the going got tough in 1994. I was around in 1993 and 1994. I remember Hillary being brutalized with TV ads run by the insurance companies. I don't remember Sanders defending her on TV or fighting back against the anti-Hillarycare propaganda onslaught. Maybe you have a link?

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #12)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:15 PM

18. I'd advise you to read this:

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-119082

"In February, Sanders requested a meeting with Hillary, “to bring in two Harvard Medical School physicians who have written on the Canadian system,” according to the records of the administration’s task force. Those physicians were Stephanie Woolhandler and David Himmelstein, leading advocates for single-payer health care. They got their meeting at the White House that month, and the two doctors laid out the case for single-payer to the first lady. “She said, ‘You make a convincing case, but is there any force on the face of the earth that could counter the hundreds of millions of the dollars the insurance industry would spend fighting that?’” recalled Himmelstein. “And I said, “How about the president of the United States actually leading the American people?’ and she said, ‘Tell me something real.' "

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Response to guitarguybs07 (Reply #18)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:31 PM

51. Pretty sad!

So the insurance industry should always win because a president actually leading is unreal?

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Response to guitarguybs07 (Reply #18)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:33 PM

54. I did. It shows Bernie was no help at all.

Bernie telling Hillary to try for his pie in the sky single payer did nothing to help Hillary fight the insurance companies.

The thing is, Bernie did not even fight for single payer in Vermont when the going got tough.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #54)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:38 PM

65. +10000 He is passionate, but he doesn't get much done. n/t

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Response to livetohike (Reply #65)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:46 PM

78. His ideological purity

Matters more to him than concrete results.

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Response to kennetha (Reply #78)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:57 PM

96. 25 years in Congress. He was a newbie in 1993. What could he have possibly taken the lead on. This

is ridiculous.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #54)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:58 PM

97. You are exactly what is wrong with the HRC "campaign." Duck! Squirrel! Bob & Weave. Pathetic...

Off you go.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #12)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:16 PM

20. Where are you putting those goalposts when you get sick of moving them around?

When you finally decide where you want to set them, tell me something real.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #12)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:17 PM

21. I believe he did. I don't believe he just stands behind people. He helped. Unlike some others,

he actually acts on his beliefs.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #12)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:19 PM

23. Funny you should ask, here's Bernie LEADING the fight against Republicans in 1993:



Maybe Hillary and her supporters should stop trying to rewrite history.

Bernie has been LEADING on this issue for decades. And he still is, long after Hillary sold us out to the insurance and pharmaceutical industries.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #23)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:24 PM

34. Speaking to an empty room is not leading.

What did he actually DO?

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #34)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:26 PM

38. He took the fight to the house instead of posing for photo ops.

What did she do besides paying lip service and taking no risks?

Oh that's right, after Hillary failed she GAVE UP and sold out to the insurance and pharmaceutical industries.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #38)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:37 PM

62. What "fight"? He was speaking to an empty room.

Hillary did not give up. She kept fighting and got 8 million kids covered under SCHIP.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #62)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:39 PM

67. He repeatedly introduced legislation and amendments while she gave up and sold out.

Hillary 2016: Because we don't deserve better!


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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #67)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:50 PM

87. No, he kept tilting at windmills while she got 8 million kids covered by SCHIP. nt

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #87)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:51 PM

89. Why did she give up on fighting for us? Oh, that$ right...KA-CHING!

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #89)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:52 PM

91. She never gave up fighting for us. nt

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #91)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:53 PM

92. Yes she did, in fact she's fighting AGAINST single payer right now.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #92)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:58 PM

98. No she didn't. She is not fighting against single payer, she is fight FOR Obamacare.

Even Bernie gave up on single payer in Vermont when it came time to fund it with a 12% tax. He knew a 12% tax on the middle class would be toxic to his political career.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #98)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:01 PM

100. Bullshit. She made it her campaign slogan: No we can't!

Bernie never gave up on anything in Vermont since he's a US SENATOR not a Vermont legislator.

That's also why he introduced legislation in the US Senate.

Facts are such pesky things to Hillary and her supporters.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #100)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:03 PM

102. No, her campaign slogan is breaking down barriers.

Yes, Bernie walked away when it came time to enact the 12% tax. All of a sudden it was not his job to speak into a microphone to his constituents.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #102)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:04 PM

104. Breaking down barriers so the insurance and pharmaceutical industries can make more money.

She sold out while Bernie is still fighting for us.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #104)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:07 PM

106. No, she fought the inurance companies to get us SCHIP.

She continues to fight for us to protect Obamacare, instead of trashing it like Bernie is doing.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #106)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:11 PM

108. Seriously? She took MILLIONS of dollars from them! Why do you think she flip flopped?

Hillary Clinton’s Single-Payer Pivot Greased By Millions in Industry Speech Fees

Hillary Clinton’s sudden attack on Bernie Sanders’ single-payer health care plan is a dramatic break with Democratic Party doctrine that the problem with single-payer is that it is politically implausible — not that it is a bad idea.

Single-payer, the Canadian-style system in which the government pays for universal health care, takes the health insurance industry out of the picture, saving huge amounts of money. But the health insurance industry has become so rich and powerful that it would never let it happen.

That was certainly Clinton’s position back in the early 1990s, when she was developing her doomed universal coverage proposal for her husband, Bill.

But in the ensuing years, both Clintons have taken millions of dollars in speaking fees from the health care industry. According to public disclosures, Hillary Clinton alone, from 2013 to 2015, made $2,847,000 from 13 paid speeches to the industry.



Source: Public federal disclosures, Clinton campaign

https://theintercept.com/2016/01/13/hillary-clinton-single-payer/


Damn those pesky facts again!

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #34)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:36 PM

58. Practically EVERYONE is speaking to an empty room. That says more about Congress than Bernie.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #34)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:37 PM

61. Tilted at his own windmill

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #12)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:20 PM

24. Here's a video of Sanders speech on health care back then...



And

You're Welcome.

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Response to peacebird (Reply #24)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:21 PM

25. What did he actually DO? nt

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #25)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:24 PM

32. Ask your candidate, she's the one who thanked him for his work:


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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #32)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:25 PM

37. No, she thanked him for his "commitment."

What did he actually DO once making that commitment?

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #37)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:27 PM

42. He fought for health care for decades, what did she do besides pose for photo ops?

She didn't risk a thing and sold out after she failed, meanwhile Bernie is STILL fighting for single payer health care.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #37)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:09 PM

107. You do understand ...

... that you're just blathering now, right? ...

... people answer you and you act like a three-year-old who says, "Why?" to every answer ...

... what was Hillary? ... the wife of the President with no official capacity ...

... she thought she could work of the country's health policy with no official capacity ...

... she couldn't and they trounced her ...

... and set back health care for years ...

... oh, and single-payer health care is the only sane way to treat the sick and dying ...

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #25)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:24 PM

33. He. Debated. House. Republicans.

Is that simple enough for you, dear?

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Response to Divernan (Reply #33)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:27 PM

41. Just couldn't help yourself to insert the "dear" eh?

I see you have nothing but sexist dismissiveness.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #41)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:31 PM

52. Oh, dear! & me a female atty. who broke glass ceilings & taught women's studies at Pitt!

Actually I would use the term "dear" with people of either sex who are disingenuous.

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Response to Divernan (Reply #52)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:36 PM

57. It is you who is being disingenuous. nt

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #57)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:44 PM

74. LOL! But what did I actually DO?

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Response to Divernan (Reply #74)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:47 PM

80. You posted a sexist, condescending post that did not offer any facts.

You just did it to attack me.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #80)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:20 PM

117. Look like an age appropriate response to me

Given your strategy...nice glass hammer you got there.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #25)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:38 PM

64. He educated anyone willing to listen.

He committed to single payer and supported what Hillary was attempting to do. Your question is the equivalent of friendly-fire. A political stab in the back. Fair game would be: What did Hillary actually "DO".

Stupid question if you understand how congress can obstruct opposition. Civics 101.

If Bernie is elected president, and if we can flip the Senate and maybe the house in his 2nd term... He'll DO as promised or get voted out of office.

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Response to katsy (Reply #64)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:42 PM

69. He may have "committed" to single payer, but he did not fight for it--even in Vermont.

When the going got tough he walked away rather than give support to the 12% tax needed to fund it.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #69)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:50 PM

86. He was a US senator, he couldn't propose legislation in Vermont. He did propose it in the senate.

What did Hillary do for us while she was there? I mean besides vote for the Iraq war.


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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #69)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:59 PM

99. VT is irrelevant to your op.

Stick to the subject of your op instead of running away from the evidence that he DID in fact support Hillary in 93 & 94.

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Response to katsy (Reply #99)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:01 PM

101. What evidence are you talking about?

What did he actually DO in 93 and 94 to help Hillary push through Hillarycare? What did he DO to fight back the propaganda the insurance companies were flooding TV and the airwaves with? Talk to an empty chamber in Congress? Tell Hillary she should go for single payer?

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #101)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:34 PM

123. What did she DO?

They did their best under the circumstances with a hostile congress.

Evidence is given throughout this thread, photos and a ty note from Hillary. Is she LYING? AGAIN?

Petty op. Ignorant also considering your "argument" can easily indict Hillary as a do-nothing. What did she do? Whaaaaaaa

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Response to peacebird (Reply #24)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:22 PM

28. Ha! Great minds!


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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #28)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:27 PM

43. Indeed!

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Response to peacebird (Reply #24)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:38 PM

63. Tilting at the Single Payer Windmill

Rather than joining the real fight.

Too good to get his hands dirty

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Response to kennetha (Reply #63)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:43 PM

71. LOL!

You are just too funny!

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Response to kennetha (Reply #63)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:23 PM

118. Someone got dirty alright, and it wasn't Bernie:

Hillary Clinton’s Single-Payer Pivot Greased By Millions in Industry Speech Fees

Hillary Clinton’s sudden attack on Bernie Sanders’ single-payer health care plan is a dramatic break with Democratic Party doctrine that the problem with single-payer is that it is politically implausible — not that it is a bad idea.

Single-payer, the Canadian-style system in which the government pays for universal health care, takes the health insurance industry out of the picture, saving huge amounts of money. But the health insurance industry has become so rich and powerful that it would never let it happen.

That was certainly Clinton’s position back in the early 1990s, when she was developing her doomed universal coverage proposal for her husband, Bill.

But in the ensuing years, both Clintons have taken millions of dollars in speaking fees from the health care industry. According to public disclosures, Hillary Clinton alone, from 2013 to 2015, made $2,847,000 from 13 paid speeches to the industry.



Source: Public federal disclosures, Clinton campaign

https://theintercept.com/2016/01/13/hillary-clinton-single-payer/


Democratic Debate 2015: Hillary Clinton’s ‘Enemies’ In Pharmaceutical and Insurance Industries Have Supported Her Campaigns, Foundation

In 2008, Clinton was the among the three biggest recipients of campaign cash from pharmaceutical-related companies, according to data compiled by the Center for Responsive Politics. In all, the watchdog group reports that she raised $738,000 from employees of pharmaceutical manufacturers and companies classified as “Pharmaceuticals /Health Products.” The center reports that Clinton also raised more than $1.2 million from the insurance industry -- which includes health insurers.

On top of those campaign contributions, the Clintons and their family foundation have benefited from their ties to the pharmaceutical and insurance industries.

In 2011, the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA) -- the primary trade association representing drug companies -- paid Bill Clinton $200,000 for a speech, as the organization was lobbying the Hillary Clinton-led State Department. Last year, the Drug Chemical and Associated Technologies Association, a trade group whose members include major pharmaceutical companies, paid her a $250,000 speaking fee.


Meanwhile, the Clinton Foundation has received between $1 million and $5 million worth of donations separately from drug manufacturers Pfizer and Procter & Gamble, and from health insurers Humana and Blue Cross Blue Shield of North Carolina. Some of those companies made donations as recently as this year, according to the foundation’s website.

That largesse was part of a friendship forged after those industries opposed her 1993 health care initiative -- and which continued after she won reelection to the Senate in 2006.

http://www.ibtimes.com/political-capital/democratic-debate-2015-hillary-clintons-enemies-pharmaceutical-insurance

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #12)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:21 PM

26. Are you saying Hillary was insincere in thanking people that may not have actually helped

her? (You would get banned from the Hillary group for implying that, btw.)

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Response to FailureToCommunicate (Reply #26)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:22 PM

29. Not at all. She is just gracious to people who express their support.

But what did Bernie actually DO?

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #29)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:29 PM

45. What did she actually do?! hmmmm??

 

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Response to Armymedic88 (Reply #45)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:38 PM

66. She got 8 million kids covered under SCHIP, for one thing. nt

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #66)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:41 PM

68. All by herself? Man that's awesome!!

 

See here's my problem with her "plan"... She shot for Hillary care in 93 and got less then what she wanted. So now she is shooting to just improve the ACA.. you know she will get less than what she's calling for that's how negotiations work. So shoot for the stars and maybe you'll land on the moon!!

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Response to Armymedic88 (Reply #68)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:43 PM

72. Ted Kennedy credited her, not Bernie. nt

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #72)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:39 PM

124. Ted Kennedy endorsed Obama for President.

 

Here is her surrogate Dolores Huerta when asked about Ted's endorsement of Obama: " Hillary Clinton voted against the nuclear waste dumping in Yucca Mountain in Nevada, while on the other hand Barack Obama actually took money from the company that was creating the nuclear waste and wanted to dump it in Nevada. So, you know, I think that that pretty much offsets Ted Kennedy’s endorsement, because you’ve got Robert Kennedy’s children — of course, the farm workers’ union, we were much more closer to Robert, and these are the activists. These are the ones that are out there doing community work, and that they know what Hillary has done in terms of her long history in civil rights, in working for children, working for education. You know, so they know that she’s the one that they feel is the best person to run for president."
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/2/1/democratic_presidential_nomination_could_hinge_on


So what? This year Ted's no longer in bed with nuke waste dumping? I mean, it was Bobby who was really close to the Farm Workers.....

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #29)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:43 PM

73. man you can just smell the camp weathervane flop sweat. luv it.

 

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Response to berningman (Reply #73)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:49 PM

84. There's no deodorant strong enough to mask it!

And they should be worried. One blatant lie after another, all easily and immediately disprovable by Clinton's own recorded words and documents. Thank you, internet! Talk about hoisted on multiple petards!

Even if her memory is failing, does she have no one competent enough to research these claims before she blurts them out?

Where's faithful husband Bill? Can't he remember either? Or maybe back in 1993/94, he was distracted and otherwise occupied than paying attention to his wife?

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #12)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:29 PM

46. so you're saying Hill was lying in 1993?

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Response to greymouse (Reply #46)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:55 PM

94. No, she was being gracious thanking people who told her they supported her.

She thanked him for his "commitment." That does not acknowledge he actually did anything to help her in her fight to get Hillarycare passed.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #12)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:06 PM

105. So what are you saying, that every Member of Congress

who wants to get on TV to defend the First Lady can? It doesn't work that way. Many MOCs get very little press despite Herculean efforts of their communications staff, particularly in 1993-94, when there weren't so many 24 hour news channels (e.g., no MSNBC, no Fox).

On a more important note, "fighting for affordable healthcare" never has been limited to "defending Hillary Clinton." Most of it means people taking a leadership role in Congress and supporting legal reforms.

If you want to know what Bernie Sanders was doing in 1993-94, try looking at this list of bills he introduced. I find it pretty impressive:
https://www.congress.gov/advanced-search?raw=%5B%7B%22op%22%3A%22AND%22%2C%22conditions%22%3A%5B%7B%22op%22%3A%22AND%22%2C%22inputs%22%3A%7B%22source%22%3A%22legislation%22%2C%22field%22%3A%22congress%22%2C%22operator%22%3A%22is%22%2C%22value%22%3A%22103%22%7D%7D%5D%7D%2C%7B%22op%22%3A%22AND%22%2C%22conditions%22%3A%5B%7B%22op%22%3A%22AND%22%2C%22inputs%22%3A%7B%22source%22%3A%22legislation%22%2C%22field%22%3A%22sponsor%22%2C%22operator%22%3A%22contains%22%2C%22value%22%3A%22sanders%20bernard%22%7D%7D%5D%7D%5D

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Response to Attorney in Texas (Original post)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:07 PM

13. Hillary on Health Care TODAY:

 

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Response to Attorney in Texas (Original post)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:07 PM

14. Lol, I hope that gets around

Looks like her campaign is cracking up if this nonsense is getting the OK. Or is it just an echo chamber at the very top?
"Sounds great to me, Madame Secretary, we should run with that!" kind of echo chamber, with no vetting of what ideas come to mind?

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Response to Attorney in Texas (Original post)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:10 PM

16. Whoops.

I love it when hypocrites are caught in the act.

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Response to Attorney in Texas (Original post)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:15 PM

17. the real question is, who are they gonna hide behind to lecture us for insisting on correcting lies?

maybe PP can make a proxy accusation?

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Response to Attorney in Texas (Original post)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:18 PM

22. Oy

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Response to Attorney in Texas (Original post)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:21 PM

27. After watching her step in it so many time, you just have to conclude

that she enjoys the feel of shit between her toes.

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Response to XemaSab (Reply #27)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:51 PM

90. OMG I just told my SO that last night.

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Response to Attorney in Texas (Original post)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:23 PM

30. I wonder if her memory is slipping..With all the proof why would she say this or

her team should know better after all they are soooo experienced.

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Response to bkkyosemite (Reply #30)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:29 PM

48. Hillary often confused said Huma in emails (both before and after concussion)

Hillary is ‘often confused,’ says trusted aide Huma in fresh emails

https://theintercept.com/2016/01/16/in-1993-meeting-hillary-clinton-acknowledged-convincing-case-for-single-payer/

In one email exchange on Jan. 26, 2013, Abedin asks fellow staffer Monica Hanley whether Clinton knows to call Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh. Hanley replies: “She was in bed for a nap by the time I heard that she had an 8am call. Will go over with her.” Abedin stresses the importance of reviewing the schedule with Clinton: “Very imp to do that. She’s often confused.”

It’s not the first time the word “confused” has been used to describe the Democratic presidential front-runner and former top diplomat. Clinton herself admits she gets confused and even apologizes to her staff for mix-ups while she was secretary of state On May 31, 2010, Clinton emailed Abedin on the timing of her meetings and travel schedule. After a back-and-forth over the time, she writes: “Ok but I’m confused since I remember talking w Lona about changing to 8 tonight.”

On Sept. 23, 2009, Clinton is emailing with chief of staff Cheryl Mills about an upcoming State Department senior leadership retreat. After reviewing the draft agenda, Clinton was thrown by whether Deputy Secretary of State Jim Steinberg would be there for an earlier presentation. “I’m confused–will he be there in am? Can he be urged to reschedule whatever else he has and come?”

“Huma Abedin’s description of Hillary Clinton as ‘easily confused’ tells you all you need to know why it took a federal lawsuit to get these government emails from Clinton’s illegal email server,” Judicial Watch president Tom Fitton said in a statement.
In emails Clinton turned over herself to the State Department, she apologizes several times for confusing her staff. The emails show how Clinton, who is often perceived as polished and rehearsed, makes mistakes when emailing about foreign affairs.

A day earlier, Dec. 12, 2009, Clinton apologized for confusing Guinea and Morocco in an email. She sends a note to three staffers, including Assistant Secretary of State Jeffrey Feltman. “Good catch, Jeff! Yes–two issues. there will be a contact group about Guinea that the French want us to be strong on too. Sorry for the confusion.”

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Response to Attorney in Texas (Original post)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:24 PM

31. he's being sexist by pointing this out

this doesn't make sense yet, but David Brock is working on it.

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Response to Attorney in Texas (Original post)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:25 PM

35. a disaster of her own making

 

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Response to Attorney in Texas (Original post)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:25 PM

36. Neverending Lies

 

Weakest candidate ever.

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Response to Attorney in Texas (Original post)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:26 PM

39. Duplicity Is As Duplicity Does

eom

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Response to Attorney in Texas (Original post)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:27 PM

40. You would think with opposition research........................

and that much money you could at least get your facts straight------------------this is about trust and principles------------------and apparently the kitchen sink isn't enough for her team and crew, it's just flat out lies-------------------------it would be to funny if it wasn't so serious -------------------amazing






Honk------------------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016

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Response to Attorney in Texas (Original post)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:28 PM

44. no joke: i seriously think hillary has reached cognitive political overdose

 

i think this is much more than campaign tactics.

i can't imagine the 24/7 mental-strain all these presidential candidates are under. i get exhausted surfing the political internet, and listening to a debate or two a month.

i really think the clintons have 'progressive' political dementia after all these decades.

the perpetual drama and faulty accusations are just plain useless.

the only candidate who's not full of b.s. -- has the initials: b.s. (bernie sanders)

what a millenium! only 984 years left!

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Response to Attorney in Texas (Original post)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:29 PM

47. I have to admit

she is imploding in the eyes of some long time Democrats

Not a fatal flaw in a general election necessarily, but worrisome for sure

Americans as always, want new ideas

The $tRump zealots want everything their way, no compromise

Gee wonder where they learned that, Senator McConnell?

Progressives are the most energized and most realistic bunch

Glad we have young legs for this campaign year

The future belongs to those who seize it

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Response to Attorney in Texas (Original post)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:30 PM

49. If anyone wants to temporarily* honor this moment with an avatar/sig pic ...



Here's a larger one.



Here's a non-resampled crop from the image in the OP.



*After x amount of time it's not as funny?

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Response to Attorney in Texas (Original post)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:34 PM

55. Someone needs to tell her this isn't 1992

and you can't campaign like it is.

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Response to Kall (Reply #55)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:36 PM

59. Someone needs to tell her to quit acting like a repuglican

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Response to Attorney in Texas (Original post)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:35 PM

56. He was fighting for single payer

That's what his floor speech is about. He was posing his own game, tilting at his own windmills

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Response to kennetha (Reply #56)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:49 PM

83. Because he realizes that if the rest of the world can have so can we!!

 

Enough of the no we can't!!!
[link:|

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Response to Attorney in Texas (Original post)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:37 PM

60. Add this video to the collection, where Bernie really was in 1993:


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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #60)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:42 PM

70. Tilting at Windmills

Too pure to get his hands dirty and fight for real change in the real world. Proves Hillary's point. I guess Sanders supporters just don't get it.

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Response to kennetha (Reply #70)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:45 PM

76. Nice try but that was him "getting his hands dirty" risking his career to fight for us.

And he continued to fight long after she went back to her duties as FLOTUS after her little lark failed.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #76)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:47 PM

79. Keep telling yourself that

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Response to kennetha (Reply #79)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:48 PM

82. It's the truth, how you feel about it is irrelevant.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #76)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:17 PM

116. risking his career?

in Vermont?

Seriously, that's laughable.

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Response to kennetha (Reply #70)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:13 PM

109. What do you mean, fighting for change in the real world?

Should he have been out breaking windows at health-insurance buildings, throwing CEO's off ledges .......... speaking to providers at a quarter of a million/hour and telling them to cut that shit out?. What exactly as a senator should/could he have been doing other than what he was - educating and fighting right-wingers in congress?

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Response to kennetha (Reply #70)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:40 PM

125. Hillary got her ass handed to her by the GOP and failed.

 

She sat on her ass until this election.

Sanders kept fighting for it. He got community health riders added to the ACA, he lead the charge to reform the VA, and is fighting for it again now in this campaign.

Clinton just wants to maintain the status quo of mandated insurance. Her supporters want that. Oh wait, you thought I meant the little people? Oh heaven's no, her supporters are the insurance and pharma companies. They want to keep the ACA right the way it is.

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Response to Attorney in Texas (Original post)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:44 PM

75. The video from the link

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Response to Attorney in Texas (Original post)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:46 PM

77. Poor Hillary. She keeps forgetting about things like videos, photos, the internet.

Either that, or she figures most people won't see that stuff and fooling some of the people all of the time is better for her than not fooling any of the people any of the time.

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Response to merrily (Reply #77)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:50 PM

88. Your video of Sanders tilting at Windmills

proves her point. Instead of joining the battle, he was picking daisies, and wishing on the stars that by talking really loud he could make his single payer dreams come true. He is too pure at heart to get his hands dirty and join the real fight. He is a useless ideologue and nothing more.

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Response to kennetha (Reply #88)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:04 PM

103. MY video? I didn't post any video.

If you want to ramble on about a video of Bernie, maybe you should reply to someone who posted one.

If you want to reply to me, perhaps you can explain why Hillary's remarks are so often at variance with photos, videos (as in videos of her landing in Serbian airports), historical facts, and that kind of stuff.

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Response to kennetha (Reply #88)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:15 PM

110. Why did she sell us out after her lark failed? MILLIONS of reasons:

Hillary Clinton’s Single-Payer Pivot Greased By Millions in Industry Speech Fees

Hillary Clinton’s sudden attack on Bernie Sanders’ single-payer health care plan is a dramatic break with Democratic Party doctrine that the problem with single-payer is that it is politically implausible — not that it is a bad idea.

Single-payer, the Canadian-style system in which the government pays for universal health care, takes the health insurance industry out of the picture, saving huge amounts of money. But the health insurance industry has become so rich and powerful that it would never let it happen.

That was certainly Clinton’s position back in the early 1990s, when she was developing her doomed universal coverage proposal for her husband, Bill.

But in the ensuing years, both Clintons have taken millions of dollars in speaking fees from the health care industry. According to public disclosures, Hillary Clinton alone, from 2013 to 2015, made $2,847,000 from 13 paid speeches to the industry.



Source: Public federal disclosures, Clinton campaign

https://theintercept.com/2016/01/13/hillary-clinton-single-payer/


Damn those pesky facts again!

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Response to kennetha (Reply #88)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:15 PM

112. How did Clinton get her hands dirty?

Ok ......... badly worded question, excusez-moi.

How did she get her 'hands dirty' in '93/94 wrt health-care?

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Response to polly7 (Reply #112)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:16 PM

113. How old are you?

15? Seriously, were you even around during the healthcare debates of the 90's?

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Response to kennetha (Reply #113)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:17 PM

115. Explain to me like I'm 6. nt.

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Response to Attorney in Texas (Original post)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:48 PM

81. K&R Thanks for posting. eom

 

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Response to Attorney in Texas (Original post)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:55 PM

93. Wow she is a lying corporate tool

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Response to Attorney in Texas (Original post)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 05:55 PM

95. That photo is sexist n/t

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Response to Attorney in Texas (Original post)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:15 PM

111. She doesn't know what the hell she's saying.

Good gawd she's a mess.


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Response to Attorney in Texas (Original post)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:17 PM

114. After this and the Reagan/AIDS thing, it seems like her memory is going.

 

Isn't she supposed to have staff members that she runs this stuff by?

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Response to Attorney in Texas (Original post)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:29 PM

119. The said thing is...

Hillary's supporters don't care.

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Response to Attorney in Texas (Original post)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:30 PM

121. She's a liar. And she might have alzheimer's if she believes what she said this time.

Both pics prove she knew it at the time, so unless she is simply stupid and doesn't understand technology in the slightest, she must have alzheimer's or maybe dementia?

.

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Response to Attorney in Texas (Original post)

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 06:41 PM

126. Locking

The host consensus is this doesn't meet LBN standards. Please repost in General Discussion: Primaries.

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