Ex-Subway pitchman Jared Fogle attacked in bloody Colorado prison brawl

[Freddie Stubbs]

Source: New York Daily News

Convicted pedophile and ex-Subway pitchman Jared Fogle was pummeled in a vicious prison yard attack, according to a new report.

The disgraced Indiana sex offender suffered a swollen face, scratched neck and bloody nose at the hands of convicted armed robber Steven Nigg during the Jan. 29 beatdown at Colorado's Englewood FCI, a low-security prison in Litton, according to TMZ.

Nigg, 60, tackled Fogle during the brawl and pummeled his face in the facility’s recreation yard.

Nigg, who is serving time for a gun conviction tied to a decades-old Arizona crime spree, walked away from fracas unscathed, save for a cut-up hand, but was punished with solitary confinement, the site reported.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/jared-fogle-suffers-bloody-nose-colorado-prison-fight-article-1.2566171

[Autumn Colors]

1. Good (nt)

[groundloop]

3. Good ???? How can you advocate for violence?

Sorry, but I find that response very un-liberal. Jared deserves to spend a long long time in prison, but to advocate violence against anyone is wrong.

[noamnety]

10. +1

One of the hardest things is to be true to our values even when we're talking about someone we despise - using sexist slurs against political opponents, supporting part of a corrupt system when it benefits a person we support, celebrating violence if it's against people we see as the enemy.

[Drahthaardogs]

48. Uses sexist slurs is not even in the same universe as pedophilia...

Seriously?

[noamnety]

49. It's good that I didn't equate them in my metaphor then. nt

[Helen Borg]

27. Nobody advocated violence...

The poster just said he/she felt good about what happened. Cannot argue with emotions, they are what they are. I respect the poster's honesty in acknowledging those emotions.

That said, the prison system should have ways of preventing these kinds of "accidents".

[duhneece]

56. Agreed.

No one deserves to be beaten up in prison. It's not about who they are or what they did, it is about us, who we are as a people.

[jiminvegas]

13. I bet Bernie would be disgusted by this

As should we all be

[Downtown Hound]

17. We should be demanding less violence in our prisons, not more. n/t

[Helen Borg]

28. Hard to disagree...

[Freddie Stubbs]

52. Bad things often happen when you put a bunch of bad people together

[Yo_Mama]

39. Not good. Prisoners still have human rights, and it is failure of the prison system

when an inmate is subjected to violence rather than the statutory penalty.

[Skittles]

44. you are disgusting

[NuclearDem]

47. yes INDEED

[GOLGO 13]

50. Good +1

[Sunlei]

2. they shouldn't mix him in the regular population, he's a mark for 'prison cred.' & will be killed.

[TeamPooka]

7. I agree but he's in a low security prison right now. The only way to protect him would be

a higher security prison but I'll bet his lawyers and he don't want that, and the low security was part of his plea bargain.

[NobodyHere]

15. In higher security prison

He'd be potentially around more dangerous prisoners every day. The prisoners in a higher security prison probably committed more severe crimes and have longer sentences, which means they have less to lose by beating him up.

[Chan790]

43. I don't think anybody disagrees with that assessment.

The problem, as I understand it, is that low-sec federal prisons don't have segregated units for prisoners requiring protection from other inmates. Short of him serving his entire sentence in the hospital unit, his only option for protected custody would be to be transferred to a med-sec facility. That's not really an improvement in his safety.

[47of74]

8. It strikes me that maybe prison staff are hoping someone will pull a Dahmer/Geoghan on the guy.

[msanthrope]

4. That's a shame.

[Quackers]

25. +1,000,000

[Shadowflash]

5. Oh darn.

nt

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

6. Oh, well.... n/m

[nyabingi]

9. He should get used to it

and he should have considered this possibility while he was breaking the law in the first place (and thinking that since he was famous he could get away with it).

No sympathy whatsoever for Jared.

[rocktivity]

11. Prison slang for Child Molesters...

is "Short Eyes"...

rocktivity

[eggplant]

12. Ugh. The responses in this thread disgust me.

Prison "justice" should never be tolerated, and it certainly shouldn't be applauded here on DU.

We have lots of public outcry when the *jailers* attack/neglect/kill prisoners. But somehow, it's ok if the other inmates do it? Really?

[romanic]

31. I'm much more disgusted

by pedophillia. Sorry but I'm not sorry.

[Gore1FL]

32. You can be disgusted by both.

The legal system has dealt with the punishment for the pedophillia. Random prison beatings were not part of that package.

[Skittles]

45. WTF is wrong with you?

you're saying you approve of vigilante justice???

[romanic]

58. I never said I approved of it.

I just find Jared and his crimes he commited on young children way more disgusting than a grown man whopping his ass in prison.

[Skittles]

59. I find them both very disturbing

as should everyone

[dhill926]

35. thank you...totally agree...

[harun]

54. +1, people need to be educated

[yurbud]

16. these guys belong in mental hospitals--for life

[FLPanhandle]

18. They don't make a violin small enough

Of the billions of people on this earth, he is near the end of the line for my sympathy.

Sorry Jarad, but there are 6 billion people ahead of you before I can concern myself with you.

[GummyBearz]

19. You're morality is impressive

I stand in awe. You have made a list of 6 billion people and the justice you concern yourself with. Very impressive. Would you do the honors of casting the first stone?

[Doctor_J]

20. He should be in ad seg, or else he'll be dead soon

[davidthegnome]

21. Not the way forward.

As a victim of abuse (I'll spare you all the details) I have a great deal of anger... that comes close to hatred, for pedophiles convicted and otherwise. In my early youth, I wanted to be Batman, to go around the world beating them up, putting them in prison, taking them down in any way I could. Worse than such a Batman-like figure, I wanted to kill them. It was a fantasy I had to be a super hero, because none had been there to rescue me.

As I grow older, however, I have gained the benefit of experience and forethought... and greater compassion. We do not alter society in any positive, or decent way, by encouraging or promoting violence, not even against those who nearly all decent people do despise.

We move society forward... by ending cycles of violence, violent retribution, hatred and anger. I do not (and never will) have sympathy for those who commit these crimes, but the rest of humanity, for the greater good of all humanity - should treat others humanely.

I will say what many others who have been abused have said... that cycle ends with me. I will not let the hate grow, I will not spread it, I will not encourage it or promote it or condone it. Let these offenders be placed in prison where they belong, let all be warned of them, let us do what we can to remove and contain their threat to humanity, but let us not allow them to make us worse human beings, to continue the cycle that these criminals begin.

Violence begets violence - hate begets hate. We move society and humanity forward by forsaking such things in the favor of the greater good, in favor of greater love and compassion. In such ways, we reduce the strength, the threat and the power of such criminals as we render them less and less significant moving forward.

[MountainMama]

24. Wow...

I am in awe of your wisdom and courage. I bow to your eloquence.

[Coventina]

29. I wish I could rec your post. Beautifully written.

Thank you.

[Gore1FL]

33. +1 thanks n/t

[eggplant]

36. ^^^^ THIS

[demmiblue]

40. +1

[Delphinus]

41. Thank you.

Brave of you to post - and I appreciate (and state as well), the cycle ends with me.

[Hoyt]

53. Excellent.

[Art_from_Ark]

60. Good post!

[duhneece]

61. I left your message on the screen when I went to bed

...saw it the first thing this morning and still read it as the best thing I've read in weeks, months maybe so I just copied & pasted it in a file to be used later. I filed as a candidate for a state rep, don't know how or when your advice may be used, but it is sticking me with. I love you so much right now. If you were in New Mexico, I'd ask you to help my campaign committee. or adopt you. or marry you.

[DavidDvorkin]

22. I drive past that place occasionally

It doesn't look all that low-security to me, but I don't know what a high-security prison looks like. It doesn't look pleasant, in any case.

[JohnnyRingo]

23. Sad how far he's fallen

I wonder how upset the psychopathic attacker is that Jared's face bloodied his fist.

Personally, I hope Fogle would be able to serve his debt in relative safety and be given a chance to redeem himself upon parole. I shouldn't be on a thin limb when I say I have no use for sadistic prison bullies. Jared Fogle did not get a slap on the wrist in this conviction.

[petronius]

30. Isn't this the second time in the span of a couple of weeks? The prison needs to

do better; no inmate should be subject to violence or mistreatment from inmates or staff...

[awoke_in_2003]

34. The guards probably allowed it to happen. nt

[polly7]

37. No-one should be attacked and possibly killed in prison.

Regardless the crime, they are there to serve their time, not be targeted and grievously injured. When I think of all the terrified young men and women I've read of who've experienced the same in their first few weeks/months, it turns my stomach. We're human beings, not animals.

[Nye Bevan]

38. Call me a "bleeding heart liberal",

but I believe that inmates should serve their sentences in safe and humane conditions. I am very disappointed by some of the posts in this thread.

[sofa king]

42. Right on.

Am I defending a ped? Hell no! I'm defending justice. But I still feel a little icky saying so.

[Miles Archer]

46. It's going to be the tone of his life for the next 15 years

Every day of his life is going to be a roll of the dice. Moving him to a different, higher-security prison might be a deterrent but not a prevention. Yes, the prison system is responsible for his safety. No, he doesn't want to be incarcerated in a maximum security prison. There's no quick or easy answer. He has a bullseye painted on his back and will have it wherever he goes. If he has a functioning brain in his head he'll realize the situation he is in and petition to go wherever his odds of survival are the greatest.

[CBGLuthier]

51. Ahh great, another thread that proves that some people are not nearly as progressive as they think

and you know just fuck the constitutional prohibition on cruel and unusual punishment.

Yeah what he did was reprehensible but everyone who cheers this is an asshole too.

[Bucky]

62. I don't join in on the "he deserved it" nonsense, but is it really all that surprising?

I'm pretty sure prison officials were taking precautions against this happening, but simply couldn't be everywhere all the time in this minimum security facility. I wouldn't even be surprised if an employee or two took the same perverse joy that our fellow liberal Democrats are taking.
Pedophilia triggers our most basic instincts toward protecting children from harm. The gloating is sick, but understandable.

[GOLGO 13]

55. Well, I'm very glad to hear that he wasn't hurt.

[Tarc]

57. Me too

I hope his hand will be ok.

[GOLGO 13]

66. Agreed. I will also pray to a merciful Jesus for his complete recovery

And no permanent damage was done to his hand.

[bluestateguy]

63. I do not condone the attack on Jared Fogle.

I do not condone it.

[Dont call me Shirley]

64. Only when your life, trust, innocence, sense of security, physical safety, personal space, emotional

stability, mental health, sexual well-being, inner child has been defiled, degraded, attacked, ripped apart, assaulted, stolen and pillaged by an adult can you ever understand the depth of fear and loathing we feel for those adults who have raped us!

[daleo]

65. Prison abuse can happen to anyone

Including the innocent young who have been incarcerated unjustly. Anyone who is ok with "prison justice" should remember tat.