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swag

(26,486 posts)
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 03:48 PM Mar 2016

GOP Politicians Planned And Participated In Key Aspects Of Refuge Occupation

Source: Oregon Public Broadcasting

by John Sepulvado

In October 2015, COWS began posting to social media about the resentencing of Dwight and Stephen Hammond. In a Dec. 11 press release, the coalition accused the federal government of engaging in “a literal, international conspiracy to deprive” ranchers and farmers of their property rights in Harney County and throughout the West.

Why Were The Hammonds Sent Back To Prison?

Some of the press release was lifted word-for-word from what Matt Shea had said at Bunkerville the previous year. The language hadn’t changed, even if the location had.

“This is a war on rural America,” the release stated.

“The Coalition of Western States stands ready to defend the continued federal overreach and once and for [all] restore management of public lands to the states where it constitutionally belongs.”


Read more: http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/republican-gop-politicians-coalition-western-states/



This excerpt really does not capture the full story in a tidy box. Go read the whole thing. Great reporting.
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Human101948

(3,457 posts)
5. Sounds like they were part of a conspiracy against our government....
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 04:26 PM
Mar 2016

Doesn't that merit long jail sentences?

Judi Lynn

(160,452 posts)
6. You're right. It's useful to read the whole article. These people are pathetic.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 04:30 PM
Mar 2016

Hope the government will NOT cut them any slack whatsoever. They are grifters, nothing but.

Thanks for the information, swag.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
11. We have rights guaranteed by the Constitution to freedom of speech, freedom of assembly and
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 06:38 PM
Mar 2016

the freedom to petition our government.

So what is the outer limit to those freedoms? When does the exercise of free speech, assembly and petitioning the government become unlawful insurrection?

In my opinion it is when guns are brought. We have the freedom to bear arms. But I don't think that we have the freedom to threaten government agents with arms or to bear arms that could pose a hazard to government officials in the course of carrying out their official duties.

I think that is why the limitation on the right to bear arms is that those bearing them are to be part of a "well regulated militia" and to serve the security of a free state.

Amendment II

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/second_amendment

I think that this small group of people that wants to do away with the federal government's ownership and governance of federal lands is opposing the security of the free state called the United States and that its members will find they are not in a good position legally.

What is funny to me is this:

“We’re in this federal courtroom, and there’s the United States versus Americans,” Fiore said. “That just ripped my heart out … . It’s just appalling.”

http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/republican-gop-politicians-coalition-western-states/

What do they think goes on in federal criminal courts every day?

Of course, it is the United States v. Americans in federal criminal courts. The purpose of the federal criminal courts is in great part to determine the guilt or innocence of Americans.

I think these people need to get the advice of counsel and right away, and not some right-wing bozo counsel.

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,966 posts)
14. GOP Republican Incitement to murder. Isn't intimidation a felony?
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 08:09 PM
Mar 2016

Intimidation of federal officers and intimidation of the judiciary for political gain. Isn't that a felony?

Michelle Fiore is running for Congress.

On the same show, Fiore said federal court officials were colluding with federal prosecutors to ensure the militants would never be freed.

“We’re in this federal courtroom, and there’s the United States versus Americans,” Fiore said. “That just ripped my heart out … . It’s just appalling.”

Seim then called on “patriots” to learn the names of the judges, prosecutors and marshals.

“On the surface level, these are secret courts, guys,” Seim said. “We got to do something about this.”

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,966 posts)
15. GOP Congress wants to make BLM toothless. Next, land giveaways to corps w sops to ranchers no doubt
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 08:18 PM
Mar 2016
The GOP-controlled Congress is also considering legislation that would remove the Bureau of Land Management’s ability to enforce the law.

“We are not going away,” Fiore said. “We are dug in, and we will fight until this tyranny is defeated.”

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
16. That's an armed insurgency by an opposition party.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 09:43 PM
Mar 2016

This must be what the last days of the Weimar Republic felt like.

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