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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 05:59 PM Mar 2016

Protesters Call On US To End Israel Aid As AIPAC Conference Set To Kick Off

Source: i24 News

nti-Israel protesters descended on Washington on Sunday, as the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) policy conference was set to kick off.

A group of around 300 pro-Palestinian activists gathered brandishing flags and placards, protesting the conference and calling on the US to end aid to Israel.

The AIPAC policy conference, the largest pro-Israel talk shop in America, is set to open later on Sunday, and will address a range of issues including US-Israel relations, the Iranian nuclear deal, the Syrian civil war and peace talks, the threat of the Islamic State, and the latest developments athroughout the Middle East.

Israeli Ambassador in the United States Ron Derner will open the event, which runs from March 20-22, later on Sunday.

Other speakers slated to address the AIPAC conference include senior House leaders from both parties, among them House of Representatives Speaker Paul Ryan, and major party presidential candidates.

Read more: http://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/americas/106866-160320-anti-defamation-league-to-redirect-trump-donations-to-anti-bias-education

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Protesters Call On US To End Israel Aid As AIPAC Conference Set To Kick Off (Original Post) Purveyor Mar 2016 OP
Kudos to Bernie zentrum Mar 2016 #1
Bernie's letter said not going because he is campaigning-it has nothing to with his ideology riversedge Mar 2016 #3
This is doubtful. TowneshipRebellion Mar 2016 #4
Yep! nt Duval Mar 2016 #14
Do you think he agrees with the protesters? onenote Mar 2016 #22
Not sure what you're driving at. zentrum Mar 2016 #23
Oh but madokie Mar 2016 #35
Interesting excerpt from the political thriller "Inside Out" by Barry Eisler RufusTFirefly Mar 2016 #2
I don't think it's fiction at all. zentrum Mar 2016 #5
Especially since Israel violated US official policy about occupation and arms since the beginning. DhhD Mar 2016 #7
It's really a tragedy zentrum Mar 2016 #17
Well, it definitely has elements of truth, but it's still a novel RufusTFirefly Mar 2016 #12
Yes, that one is a novel zentrum Mar 2016 #16
It's true. aranthus Mar 2016 #6
Which isnt really a bad idea. 7962 Mar 2016 #20
Not far fetched at all. Something similar just happened with $1.8 billion in Ukraine. highoverheadspace Mar 2016 #13
anti-Israel people are fringe lunatics ericson00 Mar 2016 #8
Obama and Sanders holding strong on real US Policy toward occupation and arms. DhhD Mar 2016 #11
I'm not anti-israel. giftedgirl77 Mar 2016 #26
2014 Israeli shelling of UNRWA Gaza shelters think Mar 2016 #27
An alternative is that many US citizens have bought the official US line guillaumeb Mar 2016 #29
there's enough information out there that people have easy access ericson00 Mar 2016 #30
How many people actually take the time out to look up that information? PoliticalPothead Mar 2016 #31
young people hear Israel-bashing on campuses all the time; Israel still wins in the younger groups ericson00 Mar 2016 #32
Young people are also more likely to view Israel's actions as unjustified. PoliticalPothead Mar 2016 #33
There is very little out thee that presents the conflict as it is: guillaumeb Mar 2016 #34
As far as I heard Bernie offered to speak from sadoldgirl Mar 2016 #9
Exactly. he went to Liberty U, I doubt he'd shy away from AIPAC. nt 7962 Mar 2016 #21
After the AIPAC Republican and New Democratic speakers have had their say, I look for Sanders to DhhD Mar 2016 #10
Israel has been very busy using US planes over the years. rgbecker Mar 2016 #15
They're not necessarily "anti-Israeli".... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #18
Exactly right. Thanks. zentrum Mar 2016 #24
This ... think Mar 2016 #28
Did they sound something like this? iandhr Mar 2016 #19
LOL leftynyc Mar 2016 #25

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
23. Not sure what you're driving at.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 11:11 PM
Mar 2016

I've little doubt that Bernie wants a solution that doesn't favor one side over the other and that he is does not support the way AIPAC operates.

Whether he supports these particular protesters is not the point and of course I'm implying nothing along those lines.


madokie

(51,076 posts)
35. Oh but
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 06:52 PM
Mar 2016

someone was wanting that you were though
Bernie has the answers to most all of our and the worlds questions and my hope is he'll be able to implement them in due time.

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
2. Interesting excerpt from the political thriller "Inside Out" by Barry Eisler
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 07:17 PM
Mar 2016
Hort nodded. “This is all new to you,” he said. “I get that. I want to explain a few things about how America really works. I think then you’ll understand where I’m coming from.”

(snip)

“Okay, pop quiz. Why do we give nearly three billion dollars a year to Israel?”

“So she can defend herself.”

“Wrong. It’s just a way of funneling a subsidy to U.S. arms manufacturers, which is where Israel, by quiet understanding, turns around and spends the money. But no one would support it if we called it ‘Raytheon aid.’ ‘Foreign aid’ just sounds so much more aboveboard.”



It's fiction, of course, but there are a lot of topical, current events references. Given his résumé, Eisler may know what he's talking about. According to Wikipedia:

After completing law school, Eisler joined the CIA, where he trained for three years afterward and held a covert position with the Directorate of Operations.[3] In 1992, he resigned after becoming disillusioned with the bureaucracy and joined the law firm Weil, Gotshal & Manges.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
5. I don't think it's fiction at all.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 07:37 PM
Mar 2016

Apart from the arm's "donations", there's Aid to Israel, which is a way to virtually launder money to fund various American candidates, so the whole round--robin system will be kept afloat.

It takes a lot of guts for an American politician to stand up to or snub AIPAC.

DhhD

(4,695 posts)
7. Especially since Israel violated US official policy about occupation and arms since the beginning.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 07:53 PM
Mar 2016
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v16/v16n2p14_Neff.html
snip
The dramatic increase of US aid while Israel violated official US policy against military occupation was a declaration to the world that where the Jewish state was concerned politics outweighed principle.
much more at link

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
12. Well, it definitely has elements of truth, but it's still a novel
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 08:16 PM
Mar 2016

One facet of the book that's both fun and a little annoying is that many of the characters are named after real-life journalists. For example, there's a bar owner named Taibbi, an FBI agent named Froomkin, and even a private investigator named Juan Cole. Nice little "Easter eggs" for progressive political news junkies.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
16. Yes, that one is a novel
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 09:10 PM
Mar 2016

…but if you read actual journalistic analyses of the whole thing—it's exactly the same story. It's a known and described phenomenon.



aranthus

(3,385 posts)
6. It's true.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 07:48 PM
Mar 2016

Mostly it's to subsidize aircraft manufacturers (and keep the Israelis fro developing their own planes that would then compete with ours on the world market).

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
20. Which isnt really a bad idea.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 10:25 PM
Mar 2016

People would buy their aircraft. A few billion is nothing compared to what jets sell for

 

highoverheadspace

(307 posts)
13. Not far fetched at all. Something similar just happened with $1.8 billion in Ukraine.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 08:41 PM
Mar 2016
https://harpers.org/blog/2015/08/undelivered-goods/ The money came from US tax payers and has disappeared into Ukrainian oligarchs offshore accounts while the mainstream US media has covered it up. You will only find this story in Harpers magazine who were altruistic enough to print it. And guess who is involved with those Ukrainian oligarchs up to her ears? Hillary. She has received huge sums of money from them through the Clinton Foundation.

DhhD

(4,695 posts)
11. Obama and Sanders holding strong on real US Policy toward occupation and arms.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 08:11 PM
Mar 2016
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4723986,00.html


Obama has made his statements. See the link above.


Lets hear from Biden and Clinton at the AIPAC.
http://www.policyconference.org/
 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
26. I'm not anti-israel.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:16 AM
Mar 2016

I'm anti welfare & anti-aparthied towards Israel. When they stop stealing from & killing people then maybe I'll care what Israel needs.

 

think

(11,641 posts)
27. 2014 Israeli shelling of UNRWA Gaza shelters
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:21 AM
Mar 2016
2014 Israeli shelling of UNRWA Gaza shelters

The 2014 Israeli shelling of UNRWA Gaza shelters were seven shellings at UNRWA facilities in the Gaza Strip which took place between 21 July and 3 August 2014 during the Israeli-Gaza conflict. The incidents were the result of artillery, mortar or aerial missile fire which struck on or near the UNRWA facilities being used as shelters for Palestinians, and as a result at least 44 civilians, including 10 UN staff, died. During the 2014 Israel-Gaza conflict, many Palestinians fled their homes after warnings by Israel or due to air strikes or fighting in the area. An estimated 290,000 people (15% of Gaza's population) took shelter in UNRWA schools.

~snip~

Reactions

UN – Ban Ki-Moon, Secretary-General of United Nations, condemned the Jubalia Camp incident at the school, describing it as "unjustifiable".[73] After the 29 July incident, he pointed out that the precise location of this school had been communicated to the Israeli military authorities 17 times. He said: "Nothing is more shameful than attacking sleeping children"[74] Ban Ki-moon described the attack on Rafah school as a "moral outrage and a criminal act" and called for those responsible for the "gross violation of international humanitarian law" to be held accountable.[75]

UNRWA - Pierre Krähenbühl, Commissioner-General of the UNRWA, said: "Our shelters are overflowing. Tens of thousands may soon be stranded in the streets of Gaza, without food, water and shelter if attacks on these areas continue."[76] "We have moved beyond what humanitarian action alone can deal with. This is now the time for political action. It is the time for accountability," he said. Krähenbühl described the Jubalia Camp incident as "probably one of the most tragic protection failures that the international community has witnessed." Asked to explain the scale of the civilian suffering to an Arab news station, UNRWA spokesman Chris Gunness simply burst into tears. "We have reached breaking point; our staff are being killed, our shelters overflowing", he adds.[77]

USA – A White House spokesman, said: "We are extremely concerned that thousands of internally displaced Palestinians who have been called on by the Israeli military to evacuate their homes are not safe in UN-designated shelters in Gaza." They continued by condemning "those responsible for hiding weapons in United Nations facilities in Gaza."[78] US State Department said in a statement that the US is "appalled" by the "disgraceful shelling" outside the school in Rafah and urged Israel to do more to avoid civilian casualties.[75]

France – Ministry of Foreign Affairs condemned Israeli military attack that rocked a United Nations school in Jubalia in Gaza's biggest refugee camp.[79]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Israeli_shelling_of_UNRWA_Gaza_shelters

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
29. An alternative is that many US citizens have bought the official US line
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:30 AM
Mar 2016

that Israel is always the victim of the evil Palestinians. A simplistic and false narrative constantly promoted in the media.

 

ericson00

(2,707 posts)
30. there's enough information out there that people have easy access
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:42 AM
Mar 2016

to the Palestinian side, and they're turned off.

PoliticalPothead

(220 posts)
31. How many people actually take the time out to look up that information?
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:48 AM
Mar 2016

How many of them get their information from the mainstream media without doing any research themselves? I'm willing to bet that most of the people who say they're pro-Israel have never even heard the Palestinian side.

 

ericson00

(2,707 posts)
32. young people hear Israel-bashing on campuses all the time; Israel still wins in the younger groups
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:50 AM
Mar 2016

and the older people still go on Facebook and the comments sections on other pages and also see the anti-I side.

This is America where unlike Europe, we don't appease Islamist sentiments/thought. America is among the least anti-Semitic nations on the face of the planet. Hence, why no one buys the anti-Israel case.

PoliticalPothead

(220 posts)
33. Young people are also more likely to view Israel's actions as unjustified.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 12:06 PM
Mar 2016

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The truth about Israel's brutal occupation of Palestine is spreading on college campuses, and it has nothing to do with anti-Semitism.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
34. There is very little out thee that presents the conflict as it is:
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 06:44 PM
Mar 2016

An apartheid country that is slowly stealing another country like a snake swallowing a rat.

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
9. As far as I heard Bernie offered to speak from
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 07:55 PM
Mar 2016

the West, where he is campaigning, but AIPAC refused that offer.

Not totally sure, but he had planed the trip to the western states
way ahead of time knowing the primary schedule.

If the man is not afraid to talk to an evangelical college, I doubt
he would make an excuse to AIPAC. Besides, he is rather proud
of his jewish background, and has made no secret of his disagreements
with Bibi.

DhhD

(4,695 posts)
10. After the AIPAC Republican and New Democratic speakers have had their say, I look for Sanders to
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 08:00 PM
Mar 2016

issue a foreign policy statement and then a Foreign Policy Plan at an appropriate time.

http://www.policyconference.org/

rgbecker

(4,826 posts)
15. Israel has been very busy using US planes over the years.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 09:09 PM
Mar 2016

Pay attention to what the candidates tell the AIPAC and you will learn where your tax money goes and where your kids will be killing and dying in the years ahead.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_Air_Force

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
18. They're not necessarily "anti-Israeli"....
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 09:13 PM
Mar 2016

They could be "anti-Right Wing slaughter of innocent Palestinians".

We saw this during the Iraq war. Anyone who had a problem with the invasion must have wanted to have sex with Saddam.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
25. LOL
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:11 AM
Mar 2016

Yes - I'm sure Washington is going to jump through hoops to satisfy the 15% of Americans that sympathize with the Palestinians. Bernie already sent remarks saying he was campaigning and couldn't attend and offered to speak by remote (unlike what so many on DU are pretending - that he's dissing them by not attending which is laughable).

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