Democrats Evenly Split Over Clinton, Sanders in Bloomberg Poll

[Bubzer]

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Source: Bloomberg

More than halfway through a nomination race that she entered as the clear favorite, Hillary Clinton finds herself deadlocked with Bernie Sanders among Democrats.

Even after more than two dozen primaries and caucuses in which Clinton’s amassed a commanding lead in votes and in delegates needed to win the nomination, a Bloomberg Politics national poll found that Sanders is the first choice of 49 percent of those who have voted or plan to vote in this year’s Democratic contests, while the former secretary of state is preferred by 48 percent.



Read more: http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-03-24/democrats-evenly-split-over-clinton-sanders-in-bloomberg-poll-im63yb0w

[bravenak]

1. You win the nomination by getting the most DELEGATES

Not by popular vote. And she is winning that too.

[Bubzer]

3. Sure, sure. She got stomped in utah and Idaho. And her take in Az is under investigation.

In the meantime, there's a whole lot of pro-Bernie states coming up. Hold onto your hat!

[bravenak]

16. He got the brakes beat off in the ENTIRE SOUTH

Plus many more places. That's why he's so far behind, if he has a good night, she turns around and stomps him back and gets even more superdelegates too. And they COUNT.

[Bubzer]

20. ... Stomped. In UT. And ID. Hard. Into the ground.

"ENTIRE SOUTH" ... As if the south ever mattered in a democratic primary. Oh, I'm sure you can find a state or maybe even two that actually voted blue for once, but that just doesn't matter... because in the GE, they will NEVER VOTE FOR HILLARY!!! And...the states that actually vote blue? Yeah, the majority of them will be pro Bernie. She has NO electability. NONE.

Can't win the majority of Blue states...but win a ton of red? She's going nowhere fast! But hey! You can always console yourself into believing she's gonna win.

[bravenak]

23. You think the South don't matter in the DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY?

Heyo! They have books on US Government for the free. Gratis! Kostenlos!
The South does count in the Democratic primary. Hell, with the growth rate of black voters, it will matter more and more in the General too. And she BERNED HIM UP OFF THE BLOCK in the South.

[Bubzer]

25. She will never get the south in a GE... she will/is lose(ing) most blue states.

She has no electability. No point in selecting hilly since she's just going to lose.

[bravenak]

30. He won't either

Plus, he will not have the 'establishment' behind him. I mean, he is fighting them and seems to want to bring down the establishment. Those superdelegates ARE the ESTABLISHMENT. He has no damn chance of taking her supers. None. Not onky does he need to make up the 300 delegate deficit in regular delegates, he has to make up the 400+ superdelegate lead she has on him. Ain't happnin captain!

[Bubzer]

34. Thank you for admiting HRC is NOTHING but an ESTABLISHMENT CANDIDATE!!!

"He has no damn chance of taking her supers" I can't wait till he makes you eat those words. I'll have the salt n katsup ready for you!

[bravenak]

37. And I will be waiting for the establishment to say 'kick rocks and keep on kicking em"

[Bubzer]

48. Which is hillarious... because she CANT WIN! Especially not without sanders supporters.

AND 33% of sanders supporters (and growing) WILL NEVER VOTE FOR HER!!!

Have a great day!

[bravenak]

53. And he cannot win the nom without more than half of the black voters

Which will NEVER EVER HAPPEN. Can't win the general without us either. And not ALL Sanders supporters would let Trump win. Far fewer than what we need to win. We will not be pressured by any independents to choose their candidate. There are way more of us and we matter too. And we decide who wins, thank you very much.

[Bubzer]

83. Oh will the hillaryity never cease... more of you... LOL.

You've ALREADY been pressured by independents, regardless of what you think. But hey, if you want to view the world through shit-stained glasses, that's business. Bye!

[bravenak]

97. Bye! See you when you come home to Hillary!!

[Bubzer]

144. No...I wont be comming to heel. No matter how many times your candidate says it.

[Cary]

226. You say this like you need to convince people that you matter

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I don't think you matter, in that way. I don't care one bit what you come to but I feel sorry for you. I suggest.you work on self-actualization.

[Bubzer]

229. Comming from a hillary supporter (you), that means almost nothing to me.

... check that... I was wrong. It actually does mean nothing to me.

In other words... I don't accept your analysis.

And you get to remain ignorant of whatever self-actualization is going on in my life.

In other words, I also don't accept your concern trolling.

But, have a great day anyway!

(Disclaimer: I actually do care what HRC supporters have to say... but only when they're not engaging in ad hominem.)

[Cary]

233. Of course you missed my point

Intentionally, I'm sure.

You don't matter to me. Why? Not because I am, as you call me, "a hillary supporter."

Do I support Hillary? Sure I do, and I would support Bernie if he were the nominee. Let's get something clear here, no matter what you think or no matter what you say, I oppose "conservatives." Their ideology is a dangerous ideology. I believe this election is critical for us Democrats (me, and I don't think you but then that doesn't matter, and I will clarify what you already know). I could explain that further but you and I both know that, regardless of any silly and circular rhetoric you would deploy in a lame attempt to justify harsh judgments of the Democratic Party, that is our vehicle for getting our agenda passed.

You don't matter to me because we will win. You don't matter to me because your silly, circular sophistry is encapsulated in a small group of people who make a lot of noise and not much else. You don't matter to me, as a mainstream Democrat, because as you are currently constructed you have absolutely nothing to offer me. Your reasoning is emotional, not rational. Your behavior is atrocious. Further you are an embarrassment and I, personally, wish to distance myself from the likes of you as much as I possibly can.

I left off the part about how as things go Hillary will be our nominee. That's important. And, too, they are both great candidates and both would/will destroy Donald Trump. And the Republican Party may not survive this because unlike us, their extremists matter to them.

I hope that clarifies it for you.

[Bubzer]

237. You mean the point couched in ad hominem and concern trolling? Yeah... couldn't see it.

And yes... absolutely intentionally. I give zero consideration to those who embrace those and similar tactics. Not sure why you'd expect anything else.

You may have had a substantive argument in those paragraphs... but I stopped at "You don't matter to me."

I want you to understand something here. I was going to give your comment due consideration. I was going to, because at initial blush, it looks like you might have put some thought and substance behind your comment... and my inclination under such circumstances is to engage in conversation.

I stopped because "You don't matter to me" is antithetical to everything I believe a liberal should stand for. I stopped because, while I said your opinion doesn't matter to me, I left open a path of communication when I laid out my disclaimer, that I actually do care what HRC supporters say, when not engaging in ad hominem... and because my equivalent argument of: I'm not interested in what you have to say if you're going to embrace attacks, is considerably better than your dehumanizing and empathy lacking: "You don't matter to me".

I would say if I didn't matter to you, you wouldn't have bothered to reply in the first place... or to write up a response of a little over three paragraphs. Perhaps I really don't matter to you, and this is just a case of feeding your own ego... I'm not sure... what I am sure of, however, is you've successfully closed the door on further communication.

So, pat yourself on the back. Take a bow. Shine up that badge of dubious achievement, and wear it without whatever pride you can muster. You have take a huge step toward becoming a conservative... and everything I revile about the self-serving GoP.

[Cary]

238. Just because your reality is harsh doesn't mean my willingness to state it is an ad hominem

"I want you to understand something here. I was going to give your comment due consideration...."

Oh good grief. You, you, you, you, blah blah blah.

Your candidate is going to lose. "Conservatism" is a dangerous ideology.

These are the facts of life. It's not about me. You don't have to accept the facts of life. Stay in your rabbit hole, it's not going to matter.

[Bubzer]

240. More veiled ad hominem. This conversation's over and you're going onto ignore.

[Cary]

241. Wrong

[Cary]

242. But thanks for reinforcing my theory that:

there is no way to reach people who act like you're acting here.

[KPN]

84. Can you show polls that reflect that specifically?

I don't buy that absent substantiation. Democrats will vote for whoever the nominee ends up being. Now, Independents, thats another story -- and Bernie creams Hillary in that regard.

[Bubzer]

93. Big time!

[bravenak]

94. How do you know we won't do the same as his supporters have been threatening to do?

He gets enthusiams from indies and young voters. They are not reliable Dems. Will black voters stand in those 8 hour lines like we did for Obama in swing states? We have been told how unimportant we are many times. How the South is nothing to them. We are written off. Guess what? We bring the margins in those swing states that are needed to win the General, why would they stand in line for him any better than for Hillary, who lets them know that THEY MATTER?

What do I know? I'm just an uninformed, ignorant black confederate, according to a few.

[KPN]

105. You could be right ... we'll see ...

when Bernie gets the nomination I guess.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

102. I've been voting straight ticket Democratic since 1974 - I will NEVER vote for another Clinton!

[Bubzer]

111. Wholeheartedly agree!

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

114. It pissed me off no end that the media is making it seems like all Bernie supporters

are utopian millennials that "don't really understand how (fill in the blanks) works".

[Bubzer]

122. You know, oddly enough, that's not the part that angers me. It's that people here are buying into it

That really sets me off. It's so incredibly easy to go out, do some research, grab a link, bring it back and post it... yet most of her supporters don't bother... they just gobble up the bull, regurgitate it, and if challenged on it, pretend you're a sexist, racist, old, rich, prius-driving, latte' swilling, angry white male.

It's all name calling anymore.

I mean, don't get me wrong, I agree with you...it's just I'm a little more bothered by the blind acceptance of propaganda.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

124. Well, the Hillary people will buy into anything that helps their side - right or wrong.

I really had no idea it could get this bad on DU. I vividly remember the PUMA's in 2007-8. I though that was bad, but they were pussycats in relation to this bunch.

[Bubzer]

147. Yeah, it's been amazingly bad. On the positive side, DU's loss is JPR's gain.

So, silver lining I guess.

[Avalon Sparks]

254. Yup, which is how the Freeps Roll

Blind acceptance of propaganda is a big problem...

It doesn't help that the Internet is full of propaganda, it's difficult to identify spin pieces on many topics, and time consuming to cross check information and debunk the bullshit. So many folks take a few opinion pieces at face value and deem the self an expert.

For exampke, I recently took a deep dive into information about free trade agreements, I'm two months in and still trying to get my head around it. Leaning more and more to the opinion they very damaging to the US middle and working class. It would be hard to realize that though cause there are so many articles claiming this big fat turd is a piece of chocolate cake.

It's either information overload or a willful ignorance.

[fierywoman]

207. YES!

I'm the same age, same experience, same decision. Just can't do it.

[Akamai]

231. That is an excellent, trenchant observation. "Don't piss Bernie or his followers off!"

Go, Bernie!

[ChiciB1]

129. I Just Posted Some Information About Calls Made Into The Thom Hartmann

Show today. I think many, many blacks are now beginning to see things much more differently. I'm NOT going to repeat my comments here, but if you have the ability to live stream his show you might want to listen to some Blacks who called in and had some VERY negative things to say about her. Two that I recall right now, and I think there were more came out and called her a racist. As I said in my other comments, people who stated they were Bernie supporters also called in to say THEY would vote for Hillary if she was the nominee. They were trying to make the point that Hillary needed to be supported even though the calls weren't toned down in any way.

The blacks who were calling her out really did so strongly.

It's up to you how you want to digest this information, but you CAN listen to it from his show today. FSTV is where he's on from 12:00 to 3:00 every week day. Thom did try very hard to make valid points in defense of her, but also did say that "white people" can never really understand what any person of color has had to go through because of their skin color.

I'm a white woman who has never had any problem accepting ANY person of color, but I DO KNOW that my skin color is actually a privilege not afforded to others. However, just because I say I accept all people I haven't walked in their shoes. But, I've also not walked in the shoes of people born into poverty. I've never had a lot of money, never will... but I am white.

[redkwamya]

186. Just came from a Hillary meeting in Jamaica Queens NY

There was only one non-minority person in attendance. I don't think that Hillary is going to have to worry too much about losing the black vote.

[cannabis_flower]

230. Do you really believe most black voters

would vote for The Three Stooges (Trump, Cruz, or Kasich) rather than Bernie?

[SCantiGOP]

243. As soon as I saw who had taken over this thread

I trashed it. Bye.

[Bubzer]

247. Awww... but I will miss you SCantiGOP.

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*on edit*
Can't "take over" an OP that was yours in the first place. Just sayin.

[sharp_stick]

43. When they realize that math

isn't some kind of magic code that can be changed by the will of Bernie Sanders wood sprites the silence will be deafening.

[bravenak]

45. I cannot wait to be DEAF to this ridiculous nonsense.

It will be a damn PLEASURE.

[Bubzer]

50. Why wait? You could start right now. In fact, I encourage it!

[bravenak]

54. I will when this whole nonsense is put on mute

[angrychair]

79. The sniping and name-calling aside

From a purely policy difference of opinion, you look forward to people like me be "muted" because I have a difference of opinion and do not think that HRC is our best candidate moving forward???
If tRump implodes and it is Cruz, her numbers are much weaker right now and Cruz is much more more likely to reconcile and unite their Party than tRump. That is a horrible development if HRC is our candidate.

[bravenak]

82. The NONSENSE of the South not mattering and her wins meaning nothing

That nonsense needs a mute button.

[angrychair]

120. I agree bravenak

To often the tone and implementation is laid on more aggressively than is suitable.
While I feel southern voters are as valid as any, I do feel that the current primary/caucus timetable is disproportionately weighed in favor of southern states having more influence than larger Democratic populations that are also traditional Democratic strongholds like the west coast or New York state. There are more registered Democrats in CA than in every southern state combined and therefore I believe should have a larger influence on the outcome for who we choose. I don't live in CA but I still think that is completely fair and reasonable. Again, I think southern voters count as much as anyone else but I also think our Democratic strongholds should have far more impact and influence in shaping of outcomes since these states contain more Democratic voters and contribute the lion share of campaign funding.

[bravenak]

190. I think we should all vote on the same day

[angrychair]

225. Then who would get millions of dollars

In ad funding?


Not an idea without merit. I should do a little digging to see if there is any peer-reviewed research into the options and the Good and bad of each.

[KPN]

87. Oh, but I think he already is!

No?

[Bubzer]

90. Could be!

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

103. You'll be pretty damn speechless when Trump is elected.

Hi bravenak!

[bravenak]

104. Hey!

You know I would just talk more if that happened. It is what I DO.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

108. Yes it is! LOL!!!

[greymouse]

171. I said it before.

If Bernie has the lead in regular delegates and the supers give the nomination to Hillary, she will be lucky to carry one state in the general.

[bravenak]

175. But Bernie does NOT HAVE the lead

And will have to beat her by way way more than likely to break even. If it is even stevens they stay. They might stay anyway since they are the establishment he is opposed to.

[spooky3]

123. And you think the Dems will win Idaho and Utah in the general?

[Bubzer]

150. And for you too:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1389611

[spooky3]

154. How amusing. Check out 538, which gives the clear edge to sanders

where demographics are like those in ID and UT, eg, disproportionately white, caucus or open primary, etc.

And your non sequitur response suggests that you don't see the contradiction in your arguments re Southern "red states" and Western "red states."

[Bubzer]

155. Hey, why don't you take your own advice eh? Cause umm...you're not right!

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/primary-forecast/utah-democratic/

[spooky3]

167. Aw, you really like non sequiturs. Why don't you

Look at the portion of 538 that is relevant to my comment?

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/delegate-targets/democrats/

I'm done trying to help you focus on facts. Have a nice day!

[Bubzer]

170. LOL...you're just gonna ignore the facts...typical hilly supporter...cant stand facts.

I'll borrow a line from you, since it's so fitting, and your use of it was so off target:
I'm done trying to help you focus on facts. Have a nice day!

[leftofcool]

189. Here is a fact for you.

Say Madame President about 3 times and you will get used to it.

[Major Hogwash]

199. Idaho is on the brink of turning blue.

But, only if Bernie is the nominee.

[imagine2015]

136. Hillary won't campaign in the South if she captures the nomination. It'll be a boycott.

She will campaign in states that are winnable in the general election.

That what presidential candidates always do.

They go and concentrate their efforts where they can win, not where they can't possibly win the presidential election.

The "southern primary" strategy was obviously set-up to favor her for the nomination.

The strategy for her in the general election is to boycott the red Republican south.

[bravenak]

161. Yes she will

We are going to turn some of those states PURPLE

[GoneOffShore]

245. Bernie might, but HRC, not so much.

[Bubzer]

250. Bernie already has cross over draw... she still has none.

You're on target.

[GoneOffShore]

251. And that's the thing the HRC boosters can't seem to grasp.

All it takes is walking around and talking to people IRL and the numbers of people who would rather have root canal surgery or a weekly colonoscopy than have "that woman" as President are people that the party is ignoring. Independents (who may sit on their hands) and Republicans to whom Bernie appeals (who wouldn't think of voting for a Clinton).

Because of HRC, her hubris and lack of support in the quarters mentioned, I'm pretty sure we'll get a Republican President.

When Bernie entered the race and his numbers started to climb the DNC should have ditched HRC and gotten on the progressive wagon.
But nooooo..... Republican not so lite is their strategy.

[mcar]

76. But Utah and Idaho have?

Guess red states are only good if they go Bernie? How about FL, my state? Presidentially purple, went big for HRC in the primary. Does FL matter? How about OH? When did that become part of the south?

[Bubzer]

80. You misunderstand...hilly should have won UT and ID...but she didn't. She got HAMMERED!

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[mcar]

88. That's not what you said

You said:

As if the south ever mattered in a democratic primary.

You said nothing about what "hilly" should have won or lost.

[Bubzer]

91. Non sequiter... but please, keep trying! Every one of you hillarians are kicking my post!

[mcar]

95. A direct quote is not a non sequitur

But do keep trying yourself.

[Bubzer]

107. So you're saying somone cannot add onto an argument?

Great! Can't wait for your detractions of all the times Hillary has equivocated, changed position, and "evolved".
Wont hold my breath though!

[greymouse]

174. Utah has a good chance of going blue in the general.

if it's Trump vs. Bernie, at least according to the polls. Trump vs. Clinton, not so much. Don't underestimate how Trump's crudity turns off Mormons, and the general dislike for Hillary.

[strategery blunder]

183. Mormons have a long history of being persecuted.

One of the most interesting (and unreported) tidbits about this last Tuesday was that in Utah, Bernie Sanders received more than twice as many votes as Donald Trump did in their respective caucuses.

Granted the Republican side was a Cruz blowout in Utah, but I think the results show that Trump is HATED there.

He talks so much about persecuting people who don't look like and/or agree with him. Mormons might be conservative, but they've had such a history of being persecuted themselves that I doubt they'd go full on fascist.

[brer cat]

81. As if UT and ID are blue states!

You better do a little more studying before you start bragging. Neither has voted democratic since 1964...worse than the south you dismiss.

[Bubzer]

85. ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1389611

[Amimnoch]

125. Or red states like Idaho, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Utah?

You're right most of those southern states.. in the GE their Electoral College votes are going to Republicans. So are more than a few of Sanders states.

There's also a number of states that each candidate now has that WILL go Democrat regardless of if it is Hillary in the GE or Bernie in the GE.

In every Presidential GE election there's only a hand full of states, the swing states, that determines who will get the majority of Electoral college votes.

Who's.. down the board.. got those? Hillary. Especially Ohio and Florida.. the 2 Kingmaker (or should I say queenmaker?) states where Hillary won very handily.

[Bubzer]

130. Normally I'd agree that the blue states would vote blue regardless. However...

We've not had this level of dissatisfaction with the establishment in the past 30 years. We've certainly had some.. but we're talking around 40% of the democratic party refusing to vote for Hillary. Either Bernie would have to do an amazing job of winning over his supporters to her side, or she and her supporters have a lot of work to do ASAP... else I truly don't think she can win the GE. She certainly wont do it through conservatives... and she's had a hell of a time reaching independents... add that to record low party affiliation, and she's got some serious trouble... all presuming she wins.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/188096/democratic-republican-identification-near-historical-lows.aspx

[CreekDog]

140. you're arguing that the South doesn't matter in the nomination

at the same time you're arguing that Idaho and Utah do matter?

[Bubzer]

149. Oh look, another one. Here you go:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1389611

[CreekDog]

156. you spelled "missunderstand" wrong

although you did misunderstand correctly, so there's that.

[Bubzer]

158. Hey, look at that! You get to be right about something... I did indeed misspell a word.

It's unfortunate you couldn't be right about something substantive. But, hey, take your wins wherever you can get em.

[kjones]

212. Yeah! To hell with democracy! Hurray for dienfranchisement!

It's really funny how quick you guys can turn on a dime from one thing to another.
Polls are terrible, polls are gospel, caucuses are evil, caucuses are great, disenfranchisement
... disenfranchisement ... all votes matter...those are just southern votes...

By the way, red states huh? What way do ID and UT swing?

Maybe it's just some red states that you think matter...you know...well, you'll
figure it out...

[MasonDreams]

196. they do'nt count YET!!

And, of course, the south, is completely irrevant. In the general, the south is all red.
Super delegates should not overrule the people's choice.

[bravenak]

197. They already got COUNTED!!!

Super delegates should vote for whomever they please.

[MasonDreams]

202. Super delegates do not even vote for a candidate until the convention

Google it

[bravenak]

204. I know THAT

I also know that they are establishment Dems. They do not want to tear down their own party

[MasonDreams]

208. the Times they are a changin'

If the Party does not change to match the people. The estab Will get unestablished

[bravenak]

209. More of 'the people' voted for Hillary

[mdbl]

215. He lost the south due to deep-seated past memories of a Clinton past

Those southerners I have spoken to voted for her blindly, without any knowledge of Bernie or Clintons' record over the last 15 years. So we get another nominee voted in based on old rhetoric.

[bravenak]

220. Good grief! They like her better, so what?

Nobody has to give him a chance if they already like somebody.

[mdbl]

252. and they don't know why

That was my only point.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

22. Wrong but thanks for playing

Are you really so deluded that you think Arizona was rigged in her favor?

As for the rest of the states Sanders needs to get an average of 58% of the remaining delegates just to pull even. Mathematically unlikely.

[Bubzer]

27. AZ is under investigation. Does that bother you? It should.

58% in the remaining PRO-BERNIE STATES?!? Easy! See you at the convention!

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

33. The state of Arizona not Hillary

Are you intelligent enough to know the difference?

The number of polling places was cut down from 200 to 60. That is a problem. But any intelligent person knows that should affect all candidates equally. To say it creates an advantage for one candidate over the other is quite a bizarre leap in logic.

[Bubzer]

36. " that should affect all candidates equally" LOL...no... not even close. Nice try though!

Hilly only wins when she can suppress the vote. Thanks for playing anyway.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

38. Explain how it gives her an advantage

You can't

[Bubzer]

51. You're mistaken if you think I care if you're convinced.

So long!

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

55. You must care

You won't shut up. I generally don't block people but you've earned it.

[Bubzer]

117. Awww. Well shucks. Guess I'l just have to live without being pestered by another HRC fan...

However will I live with myself?

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

106. Let me try to explain.

On second thought, I'd just be wasting my carpal tunnel.

[sharp_stick]

44. Is it warm in that fantasyland of yours? n/t

[Bubzer]

151. Ya know, I'd stab myself with a... sharp stick... before I'd "come to heel" for her.

[LanternWaste]

221. You lack objectivity.

You lack objectivity. Your allegations are unsupported and biased. Little more than a bumper-sticker. But as you said, you take your pretense of wins when you can get 'em, regardless of what you're playing

[Bubzer]

222. I love when you hilly supporters post crap like this.

It's like watching a child try to wield a claymore. You might be able to use it effectively, but you're far more likely to have it taken away and used against you.

Point of example, I'll take your exact wording, and apply it to you:

You lack objectivity. Your allegations are unsupported and biased. Little more than a bumper-sticker. But as you said, you take your pretense of wins when you can get 'em, regardless of what you're playing.

Voila. Bested by your own quote!

Have a great day!

[katmille]

148. Agreed

Not only that, but more minorities were kept from voting and they tend to vote for Hillary. So her win might have been even greater had more people been able to vote in Arizona. Plus, caucas states are very discriminatory against minorities, poor and disabled.

[fun n serious]

47. AZ will not change.

We've seen crap like this fir decades. I do not ever remember a do-over.

[Bubzer]

127. Don't remember 2008?

Had the election officials been doing their job, or had Clinton challenged Obama’s ballot petition signatures and the fraud been discovered, then according to prosecutor Stanley Levco, “Barack Obama wouldn’t have been on the ballot for the primary.”[44] Thus, Clinton would have won all 72 of Indiana’s delegates. The systemic election fraud on the part of local Democratic Party officials allowed President Obama to appear on a ballot for which he did not legally qualify. As a result, he was awarded 34 delegates to whom he was not entitled.

http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2014/01/election-fraud-in-the-2008-indiana-presidential-campaign-a-case-study-in-corruption

[pnwmom]

121. Do you know how much he reduced her lead by in those two elections?

Less than 15 delegates. And she had a lead of more than 320.

If they split the rest of the races, as this national poll would indicate, she'd still be 300 delegates ahead.

Until national polls start showing Bernie 20 points ahead, she doesn't have anything to worry about.

[spooky3]

126. And I would be VERY surprised if she lost the two biggest

Remaining states, CA and NY.

This poll is highly suspect; it reports what Dems say they did in previous primaries as well as those going forward. The votes already taken, combined with likely outcomes in CA and NY are nowhere close to 50-50.

[George II]

169. After almost 15 million people have voted, Clinton has a popular vote lead of 2.7 million.

The only states that Sanders has been able to win have been small, rural, mostly caucasian states except for a slim, 18,000 vote win in Michigan (~1%)

What "pro-Bernie" states are coming up? Can't be "a whole lot", there are only 21 states that haven't voted yet.

[KPN]

78. So far. If she does ...

end up with more, she does. But Bernie's giving her a heck of a fight. And we're with him till the end -- win, lose or draw ... because he has the common persons' interests at heart, and has the experience, intelligence, strength and steadiness to be a GREAT President.

[bravenak]

86. And she has built and stronger more diverse coalition

That matters. Who builds the best coalition wins. Fine that yu are with him all the way, and we are with her all the way. But the original headline was different and I was responding to that. We do not see him like you do.

[Bubzer]

96. "And she has built and stronger more diverse coalition"... of corporations and dirty money.

Good luck with that!

[bravenak]

100. Black and minority and women voters are not 'corporations and dirty money'

How horrible. No wonder he has issues winning us over.

[Bubzer]

109. It doesn't matter how you deflect. She will NEVER escape all the dirty money...

... including prison bucks, or how she called young black males super predators. She'll NEVER live that down.
And that's just scratching the surface of all the corruption she's involved in.

[bravenak]

162. I'm bored with the superpredator stuff

I was over it the next day

[KPN]

99. True.

Leaves me feeling that you (Hillary supporters) have lost sight of fundamental Democratic Party principles. So you are Third Wayers who usurped party control during the slick Willy days.

[bravenak]

101. We are real democrats who want to improve the party

Not just sit around spewing unfettered outrage and impotent dreams of glory. We have actual work to do.

[Bubzer]

153. LOL

I love how you say "just sit around spewing unfettered outrage" followed by "and impotent dreams of glory". So much hypocrisy.

[bravenak]

163. You like that?

Use it freely. I worked hard on that.

[Bubzer]

166. Naw, that's okay. I'll leave the smears and hatred to you.

With comments like that, I'm not sure I could compete.

[Paulie]

176. Sorry, I thought you preferred Jill Stein?

A "good democrat" and party loyalist wouldn't want a Green in the first place... As we are told here on DU.

[bravenak]

177. I said if she were a DEMOCRAT

I would vote for her. And I would. But she is not a Dem and I only vote Dem if I can help it.

[Paulie]

178. As I remember it was because she couldn't win.

So you went to Sanders then Hillary. But it's fine, as long as it's not a vote for a rethug how can one be unhappy.

[bravenak]

181. That too

I am practical. Republicans scare me. I will vote left no matter what. I am to the left of Stein, Sanders, and Clinton so they seem not so much different policy wise. Stein agrees with me on way more stuff, but ideally, I personally would go further than she on some issues.

[Avalon Sparks]

253. Moving fiscally to the right only helps wealthy

A New Wave to the bottom for the middle and working class.

[lewebley3]

115. Agreed: and Sanders has never been vetted: he has been let off because he is not

going to be the nominee

[bravenak]

118. Yep. It is a waste of time and resources

[sublimecabbie]

135. HILLARY CLINTON

Is like the female opponent candidate in the movie Black Sheep. Go back and watch in wonder lol.

[bravenak]

164. Don't care

Still voting for her

[progressoid]

146. I thought you didn't like Hillary?

[bravenak]

159. Like, shcmike

I am not emotionally involved with any candidate

[progressoid]

172. not emotionally involved?

You might want to rethink that one.

[bravenak]

173. I only love Obama

The rest are just politicians.

[progressoid]

187. You know there are other emotions other than love, right?

[bravenak]

188. Is that a serious question? SMH

[progressoid]

193. It's rhetorical.

Based on your posts, it would seem you are emotionally involved with at least one of the candidates. It's just that the emotion isn't love.

[bravenak]

194. Meh. They are both boring

[w4rma]

185. Don't you have some other "Jews" to be antisemitic to, Bravenak?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1280&pid=152392

[thesquanderer]

191. The fact that the preference is basically 50/50...

...among those "who have voted or plan to vote in this year’s Democratic contests" - combined with the fact that MORE than 50% of the votes cast so far have been for Hillary -- means that either

(a) more than 50% of the votes yet to be cast will be for Bernie

OR

(b) people who have already voted for Hillary now wish they had voted for Bernie

OR

(c) people have voted (or intend to vote) for Hillary even though their first choice is Bernie

or some combination thereof.

Obviously, as a Bernie supporter, I hope it's more A than B or C!

[bravenak]

192. I think it is that the sampling is not that great

And they are doing an average of what they think the popular vote type totals will come out to be. I wish they would chill on taking it serious. We do it by delegates. I swear the polls are a hype fest.

[thesquanderer]

195. True, there's an option (d), the poll methodology sucks. ;-) (n/t)

[thesquanderer]

219. re: "We do it by delegates."

That's true. Though due to proportional delegation, there should be a bit more correlation between popular vote and delegates than there would be in a winner-take-all scenario (as in some of the Republican contests, or the general).

According to RCP, among states that report popular vote figures, Hillary now has about 58% of the popular vote cast so far, and 57% of the delegates. So at least so far, the correlation seems pretty strong.

[saidsimplesimon]

2. Bubzer, as Senator Sanders has said,

"I wish we had more time".

We have the time we have. It's enough to open the hearts and minds of those yearning for politicians that remember they serve US, not the other way around.

[Bubzer]

5. We still have about half of the delegates up for grabs.

With the decisive victory in UT and ID, and AZ being under investigation, things are looking up!

[LiberalFighter]

12. 44% of the delegates remain

[Gman]

21. And Sanders needs 60+% of those

Not impossible but pretty unlikely.

[Bubzer]

31. 58% actually. Easily achievable...

After all, these are pro Bernie states we're talking about here. See you at the convention!

[bravenak]

46. You do realize that the pro Hillary states have more delegates, right?

I am just checking because you seem to not understand how this works. He would need 58 percent EVEN IN THE STATES SHE IS GOING TO WIN. Like Penn, and NY, and CA. You do get this, right?

[Bubzer]

56. "STATES SHE IS GOING TO WIN" Keep telling yourself that. Maybe you'll be able to sleep at night.

[bravenak]

57. Hee hee! I sleep great.

Because I know she will win and keep us safe from Trump.

[Bubzer]

70. Like how she kept us safe from the Iraq war? Yeah, good luck with that.

[bravenak]

73. How was that all on her?

All the blame and no credit for anything. A woman's burden never ends, Lord.

[Politicalboi]

69. She ain't winning Ca

[bravenak]

71. You guys said that about AZ

I watched folks say it about SC.

[MasonDreams]

200. Hillary got 12.5% of registered voters in SC

Translates to zero electoral votes. You know the votes that count. Al , Miss , La , Gore did not get Tenn. Think she can carry Arkansas?
Be honest, the game has rules.

[bravenak]

201. Has nothing to do with winning this primary that only a certain amount voted

It just makes his case worse that she has brought out millions more than he

[MasonDreams]

206. But are they voting against repubs and

for no change, or is it fear of the unknown.
It cannot be the policies or political philosophy because they're a changin'.

[bravenak]

210. You have no clue what 'they' are voting because of

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

110. Bernie should win NY and will definately win CA BIG!

I like to talk too!

[bravenak]

113. Unlikely

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511568004

[pnwmom]

157. 67% of New Yorkers re-elected Hillary Senator. She's very well liked in NY,

which is a large, diverse state -- not like the mostly-white, rural states that Bernie specializes in.

Bernie "should" win NY if he is to have any chance of overcoming her lead of more than 300 delegates -- but he won't.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

182. You, are operating with old data, You will ver VERY surpriesd!

[pnwmom]

236. Some new data from last week's Emerson poll puts her way ahead.

But Bernie has to win an average of 58% of delegates from here on out just to tie.

http://media.wix.com/ugd/3bebb2_e6ef41f2113347feaedca7d88762c6f3.pdf

EMERSON POLL: TRUMP, CLINTON TROUNCING THEIR RIVALS IN NEW YORK; IN GENERAL ELECTION, HILLARY AND BERNIE LEAD THE DONALD

BOSTON, MA – Buoyed by a string of decisive primary wins this past Tuesday, both Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump hold a commanding lead in New York State, where a victory in the April 19 primary could effectively seal the presidential nomination for both candidates.
With Marco Rubio out of the race, Trump leads his closest rival, Texas Senator Ted Cruz, by 52 points (64% to 12%). Rubio received 4% of the vote before suspending his campaign. Ohio Governor John Kasich earned just 1%, getting no bounce from his recent home-field victory in the Buckeye State. In a hypothetical, two-man matchup between Trump and Cruz, Trump leads 69% to 25%.

In the Democratic primary, Clinton is ahead of Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders by 48 points, taking 71% of the vote to Sanders’s 23%. The former Secretary of State holds a massive advantage in key demographic groups, including men (66% to 29%), women (73% to 20%), African Americans (72% to 22%) and Hispanics (85% to 8%). Younger voters, ages 18-34, favor Sanders, but by a slimmer margin (53% to 40%) than in many primary states. Among all other age groups, Clinton dominates, leading by 45 points (ages 35-54), 50 points (ages 55-74), and 67 points (ages 75+).
Clinton and Sanders have similar favorability numbers with likely Democratic primary voters. Her favorable/unfavorable ratio is 82%/15% (+67); his is 63%/26% (+37). However Clinton garners far more loyalty: 85% of those who view her favorably plan to vote for her in the primary, while only 31% who have a favorable view of Sanders intend to vote for him.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

239. OK - anywho - It will be fun for all watching the rest of the primaries.

You will be looking to split a gut, as will I. Let's see who's gut is still intact in a week from Tuesday.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

223. But she was running against a republican. This time she's running against a true progressive.

We will see...

[Bubzer]

28. That's about half. Regardless, it's still more than enough to beat hilly.

[fun n serious]

49. His numbers dropped 15% from last month

You don't know how it will go with more time.

[LiberalElite]

217. against Ms. Inevitable?

Who's tied with him? Who didn't see it coming because she's so obviously peerless?
Yeah. We don't know.

[fun n serious]

255. I'm not being rude to you so please

try and practice some kindness.

[liberal N proud]

4. That hasn't translated into delegates and frankly, it's too little too late

Keep dreaming though!

[Bubzer]

6. Maybe you missed hilly getting stomped into the ground in UT and ID? Good times.

[liberal N proud]

17. And you have not done the math

But as I said, keep dreaming!

[PatrickforO]

24. Maybe, but even so I feel a lot more genuine supporting Sanders, because he

represents the issues I actually care about far better than Clinton does. Because, honestly, I think she's turned hard left because Sanders has forced the issue by talking about wealth inequality, single payer, etc.

A CNN commentator said she expects Clinton to 'pivot right' when the nomination is sewed up. When I heard this, I though, 'of course - because the Third Way Dems stopped representing people like me back in the late 80s.'

The problem is, I don't want a pivot right. I want single payer healthcare, stronger Social Security, free tuition at public colleges, aggressive policies around global warming, a renegotiation of the so-called 'free trade' treaties that have fucked the American people over (NAFTA, CAFTA, GATS, etc.), and basically the rest of Sander's platform.

Including the foreign policy, of course. I can remember thinking of America as 'the good guys' when I was a kid and then being sickened when I read Chomsky, Zinn and later Klein.

The bottom line is that Sanders is talking about issues that I care about a lot - kitchen table issues - things that if we can push through my life and the lives of my family would be a whole lot better.

Bernie's political revolution may well happen, win or lose.

[Duval]

72. I think the revolution is already underway. nt

[libdem4life]

137. This genie can't be put back into the bottle. n/t

[Rebkeh]

7. Go Bernie!

[Bubzer]

8. Heck yeah!

[PatrickforO]

9. Hmm. Since many Sanders supporters are 'under the radar' of these polls, especially

those commissioned by an outfit like Bloomberg, Sanders support may now be outstripping Clinton support by a somewhat larger margin.

As Mike Shanahan used to tell the Bronco players when they seemed to be losing..."Lots of football left to play...lots of football."

[Plucketeer]

10. I've got my write-in pen ready

And if folks don't like the results of my writing, at least I'll be able to live with myself. Bernie has presented me with THE ONE chance to make a REAL and SUBSTANTIVE difference in my voting lifetime and I'm going to take it!

[Bubzer]

11. Here here!!!

[sammythecat]

32. I will do the same, if it comes to that.

I've been enthusiastic about my vote before but it was always followed by disappointment. I'm even more enthusiastic this time but I feel absolutely certain that Bernie will not disappoint. He will not give up, lay down, or join in with TPTB. He never has in the past and won't do it after being elected. I trust him completely. Hillary Clinton...I don't trust her at all. Not even a little bit. I used to like Hillary, I wish I still could, but I can't, not at all. I'll write in Bernie Sanders in the general if he doesn't get the nomination.

[DebbieCDC]

132. Me too

I have to live with myself first and foremost.

[desmiller]

134. me too. ready and willing.

[rhett o rick]

13. k&r

[sufrommich]

14. This isn't even close to the actual headline you linked.

Read the SOP for LBN before posting.

[Bubzer]

41. Touche'. Posted the wrong title from a related link. Credit where credit is due. Nice catch.

[stonecutter357]

15. .

[libdem4life]

235. It's thoughtful and meaningful contributions like this that boggle the mind. n/t

[deutsey]

18. Sanders has been ignored, ridiculed, or smeared

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and has had resistance from the Democratic Party every step of the way.

And yet, there he is.

[arcane1]

52. He was supposed to be dismissed as a grumpy racist by June of LAST YEAR!

And here he is tied in a national poll.

THAT is why they hate him

[libdem4life]

138. You forgot "gun humper". n/t

[TheDormouse]

58. that's the whole point--Bernie's message is so powerful

that despite Hillary's camp's, the Dem establishment's, the media's all attempting to rubberstamp her coronation, this far in Hillary still can't get over 50%

[artyteacher]

19. predictwise...

Still has her at 95% chance of winning the primary.

[Ed Suspicious]

62. Don't care. Still gets my vote.

[revbones]

26. That helps explain the flurry of Blue Nation Review propaganda posts... nt

[SoapBox]

29. Every minute, more and more are Feel'n the Bern!

Every single day, every single minute...more AND more Americans learn about Bernie's Common Sense and MAINSTREAM platform.

It's not hard for them to reject a Wall Street, Big Money, Big Power, War Hawking, 1% other candidate.

GO Bernie!

GO Berners!

[FreakinDJ]

35. What no voter suppression in the polling

[zentrum]

39. Wish she hadn't

…run again.

[snagglepuss]

40. knr

[onehandle]

42. Odd how Hillary has a million more votes.

It's unpossible!

[lunamagica]

119. More like 2.7 more votes :)

[still_one]

59. Lets see, latest Pennsylvania poll, Hillary 53, Bernie 28.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/pa/pennsylvania_democratic_presidential_primary-4249.html

Latest California poll, Hillary 48, Bernie 41.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ca/california_democratic_presidential_primary-5321.html

Latest Wisconsin poll, Hillary 50, Bernie 44.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/wi/wisconsin_democratic_presidential_primary-3764.html

Presidential elections are determined by states, not by national polls, and for that reason national polls are flawed. However, since you are only pushing one particularly national poll, let me present the other national polls released in the same time frame to be fair

Latest National Polls:

Bloomberg:
Hillary 48, Bernie 49

Fox:
Hillary 55, Bernie 42

Quinnipiac:
Hillary 50, Bernie 38

Monmouth:
Hillary 55, Bernie 37

CBS News/NY Times:
Hillary 50, Bernie 45

CNN/ORC:
Hillary 55, Bernie 44


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_democratic_presidential_nomination-3824.html

[zalinda]

66. And people have known Hillary for 25 years

and Bernie for about a year? Seems that it shouldn't be that close.

Z

[still_one]

74. I don't care for polls period. Just get out and vote, and everything else is moot

As for your other point, I was just addressing the OPs poll cherry picking

I stand by my original comment regarding national polls

[Roland99]

60. I'm a YUUUGE Sanders fan but a sample size of 311 is rather small

That said, Sanders does lead all GOP opponents by much larger margins than Clinton in the General Election.

To me, that says the sizable "independents" will swing for Sanders and/or the millenials will hold off voting in the General.

[ejbr]

61. And Sanders has not dropped out yet?

[Dawson Leery]

63. She leads by 18 points of all votes cast so far.

She has massive leads in the late April and May states.

All other polls have her ahead by an average of 16%.

Hillary will be the next President.

[Ed Suspicious]

65. Thanks for giving us president trump, Hillary acolyte.

[thereismore]

112. And here I thought the contest would be over by Super Tuesday. What happened?

Heh, heh. Hillary is a lousy candidate.

[paulthompson]

64. Sanders can win!

I posted in the Primaries forum that, if this Bloomberg poll is accurate, Sanders actually has about 59% support in the non-South states, and all the South states have voted already.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511566136

So it's still a longshot, but he has a chance.

[Beacool]

67. I'm only certain of one thing this election season.

Barring some unforeseen event, Hillary will be the nominee and give Trump a run for his money.

The rest is just white noise.

[TheDormouse]

68. funny thing, if u read the associated questions ...

Better temperament to be president 51-39 Clinton-Sanders
Has the most appropriate life experience to be president 60-31
Knows the most about how to get things done 58-32
Would be better at managing the economy 50-40
Can best combat Islamic terrorism 65-21

but
Cares the most about people like you 33-59
Is the most honest and trustworthy 25-64
Will fight hardest for the middle-class 30-62
Will do the most to rein in the power of Wall St 31-64

[libdem4life]

139. Looks like more of a Head vs. Heart poll. And, strangely, that's the

distinction I see between them.

[TheDormouse]

152. an interpretation is that presidents usually don't fight for the middle-class or

people like you and are not that honest and trustworthy

So a candidate who isn't thought to be particularly honest and trustworthy and who isn't expected to fight for the middle-class and people like you and against Wall St would be someone that a person could picture more easily as president.

[BillZBubb]

205. That's incredibly cynical.

[noretreatnosurrender]

179. I sure don't

My head and my heart are in sync on this one.

[libdem4life]

180. Mine, too. n/t

[LiberalElite]

75. A funny thing happened

on the way to the coronation.

[Zira]

77. So nationally he is ahead. It figures. I suspected it was voter suppression all along

I kept reading how Sander's supporters couldn't vote at all because caucuses were out of voting forms.

Poor Hillary. She probably has to spend all her time re-assuring her Corporate masters.

Go Bernie!

[thereismore]

116. SC turnout was 12%. That vote should not even count. nt

[Metric System]

160. WTF?

[bravenak]

165. See? Those votes do not count

Sorry SC voters. A real progressive wants to nullify your vote because they think not enough if you voted.

[Metric System]

168. Unreal but unsurprising.

[cosmicone]

89. Check with a fork

to see if what you're cooking is DONE.

[bkkyosemite]

92. I don't think the polls are even. Not in any other one I've seen yet this one is even

Not buying it.

[Loki]

98. LOLOLOLOL

How many polls did you go through to find this one oh mighty bubzer? Anything for a laugh right?

[spooky3]

128. Only ~ 300 Democrats were included in this poll,

To represent the entire nation.

The MOE is a YUUUUGE 5.6 percentage points.

Not a credible poll.

[apnu]

131. While this is interesting and encouraging if your're on the left, its meaningless.

The Primary is about state delegates and super-delegates. Everything else is a side show.

[AuntPatsy]

133. So true....

[rtracey]

143. agreed

All the anti-Hillary, anti-Bernie.... right wingers are salivating at this, these responses on this tread sounds like trump/cruz, or trump/rubio.....Im not voting for..... blah, blah, blah, zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz..... just think of Trump on the capital steps, tiny hands on the Bible, lying, saying he will defend the constitution, and think about the supreme court nominee and the senate, house that will finally get the ACA sunk..... so scream and shout all you want.... not me I support my party, I'm not a DINO

[rtracey]

141. well

The nominations will tell the story won't they....

[Babel_17]

142. K&R for visibility

Thanks for posting this, it was news to me.

[billhicks76]

145. Independents Favor Sanders

By very wide margin. Sanders thus a no brainer.

[Ash_F]

184. It's always been a race against time.

Time and name recognition. And lack of media exposure.

[Major Hogwash]

198. That's because we don't trust her.

She has literally taken every side on every issue over the last 2 years, so she can not be trusted.

She has the highest unfavorable rating of any candidate running for the office of President.

[Bubzer]

218. Ding ding ding!!!

Exactly right!

[ladjf]

203. That's quite a improvent from only 4% a month or so ago. nt

[Zira]

211. And, with a media black out on him

[PatrynXX]

213. this is more for the rest ahem 50 % of the country that hasn't voted yet..

and if she keeps winning by 20 delegates at a time and 500 delegates come up to pull the finger I would love to know why Cali was bumped to near last.

[dlwickham]

214. The California primary had been in June for at least 40 plus years

It's not some great conspiracy

[PatrynXX]

249. okay whatever

why was it bumped to 2008 to Super Tuesday? and she won it. Not really looking for some great conspiracy. but a DWS fail. and she needs to be fired she's an anchor stuck at the bottom of the ocean ruining this Caucus/primary season.

[MrMickeysMom]

216. Evenly split, when you consider full court effort to eliminate Sander's on MSM, and election fraud..

Can you imagine if we had FAIR election conditions and didn't try these tactics?

[c-ville rook]

224. Let's be honest...

... if the results of this poll is near correct.

No matter who wins, in order to win the GE, some deals will have to be made.

Bernie has too many votes to ignore at this point. And while I prefer Bernie to Hillary, if he is the nominee, it would be more true that Hillary could not be denied.

And if a significant amount of either candidates' people "stay at home" or go "third party" it could well give us President Donald.

So, why is everyone yelling over what is going to have to happen?

I will say this to Hillary supporters -- as she is likely to be the nominee at this point just by the numbers -- they are not doing their candidate any favors by attacking Bernie and his supporters. I say that not because I support Bernie but because she is quickly approaching a level where she is almost without question the Democratic nominee and she is going to need "Bernie Bro.s" support in the GE or she is going home too.

And really President Trump -- do you want to say that for 4 years? And have listen to how we are going to be "winning" Presidential addresses when it is more likely we will be watching the last Presidential addresses like its a Charlie Sheen clone on crank giving them. Sorry, Charlie for all you foibles you do not deserve that -- at least you have the good sense not to run for President just because you have been on TV. Tiger blood!

As for the Democratic Party establishment, including HC and John Lewis, they do no credit to their credibility when they accuse Bernie of not being around for big and usually very progressive moments when he is standing in the pictures with them. They need to stop that as well -- for obvious reasons.

[blackspade]

227. That's a pretty wide margin of error....

But things are looking up!

[George II]

228. Here are the numbers that matter, from the polls that matter - VOTES:

Total as of today: 14,776,116

Clinton 8,736,831
Sanders 6,039,285
Clinton +2,697,546

Evenly split?

[rtracey]

232. the last

The last laugh will show its face.... Polls...hmmmm I remember a guy, his name was Dick Morris, and his poll showed a complete and utterly devastating defeat of President Obama in 2012.... Romney was a complete walk in. No one was every going to give Obama a second term..... yeah polls......... BS.... the only poll worth its weight now will be the final poll when they ask did you vote for the winner?

[NorthCarolina]

234. Plus, Clinton has ZERO support outside the Democratic Party

whereas Sanders is capturing not only Independents, but some Republicans as well. The choice of Clinton as the Standard bearer fro the Democratic party is the political equivalent of suicide.

[stupidicus]

244. wise people are waking up and 3rdwayers are being outed as the rightwing-lite

supporters that they are.

[jalan48]

246. Interesting numbers considering a year ago Bernie wasn't even on the radar screen.

The more people become educated about him and what he stands for the better he does.

[Madmiddle]

248. Never another Clinton