Cuba 'has no need of gifts from the empire': Fidel Castro
Source: AFP
Cuba's Fidel Castro signaled continued resistance to rapprochement between Washington and Havana, writing in an opinion piece on Monday that his country "has no need of gifts" from the United States.
The former president, 89, remained out of sight during last week's historic visit to the communist island by US President Barack Obama which aimed to cement normalization.
In his first published remarks about the visit, Castro seemed unwilling to forgive and forget more than a half-century of enmity between the two countries, declaring in the Granma newspaper that Cuba "has no need of gifts from the empire."
He made his remarks in a piece entitled "El Hermano Obama" -- "Brother Obama."
Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/cuba-no-gifts-us-fidel-castro-105802607.html
I think real change in US-Cuban relations won't happen while Fidel is still around.
Gomez163
(2,039 posts)Mika
(17,751 posts)... passed the ERA into their constitution, just as they did the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
Most all the things that Hillary opposes now.
Yawn away.
Gomez163
(2,039 posts)Judi Lynn
(160,451 posts)Are you aware there are hundreds of people who die in the desert, or in the rivers, or the canal, or in the mountains trying to get from places in the Americas across Mexico into the US, and this happens ANNUALLY? From what government do you imagine THEY are fleeing?
Have you never been able to learn about all the people who come in boats, sometimes many crowded into little boats, some coming over 900 miles from points in HAITI? Are they trying to escape the US-approved Haitian President, do you think?
The pot at the end of the rainbow for Cubans is the Cuban Adjustment Act in the US, which entitles every one of these guys or gals to stay right here, legally, regardless of their past in Cuba, whether they were criminals or not, or murderers, as long as they can get to US land before being picked up by the US Coast Guard in the water.
Once CUBANS are here, they ate entitled to receive social security, a work visa, legal standing, protection from being returned to their home country, completely UNLIKE immigrants from everywhere else who come illegally, they are awarded FOOD STAMPS, welfare, US-taxpayer-financed Section 8 HOUSING, financial assistance for school, MEDICAL TREATMENT, etc., etc., [font size=7]ETC.[/font]
Everyone else is rounded up, kept in jails, and sent the #### home, EVEN when it means they WILL be murdered, as some of the desperate immigrants from Central America have been in the last year or two.
You really know your stuff, don't you?
The reason the Cubans are doubling up their efforts now is because the rumor has been circulated that the US is going to close down the many benefits of the Cuban Adjustment Act which has been used for years to lure Cuba's work force to the US. They have been political pawns, used to deplete the youthful working force in Cuba.
Why don't you break down and do the research needed to find this out for yourself, instead of trying to intimidate Democrats?
Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)Mika
(17,751 posts)Numbers mean little from a US perspective. Its the purchasing power that counts.
>> For example, in the US a bag of apples in a grocery store = $4-$5 {about .00125% of a monthly $4K income}. In Cuba bag of apples = 85 centavos {.00121% of the basic min income}. <<
$25 (700 pesos) a month is the guaranteed minimum basic income for everyone.
Depends on the line of work ... most workers - especially professionals like doctors, engineers, etc - earn more.
If one is working in a tourism related field that includes tipping income, then one can do quite well.
Even better is to work for a US funded propaganda "independent journalist" network paid to produce anti Cuba propaganda, like the "Ladies in White" - where one can make $2000 a month producing "reports" and fake news for the exile run, Miami based, taxpayer & exile terrorist funded Cubanet. The very organization the "independent journalists" on their payroll produce "reports" that are stenotyped by HRW, AI, and the US Dept of State (who's payroll they are on), and, of course, the corporocratic Wall Street owned US media.
Judi Lynn
(160,451 posts)Gomez163
(2,039 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Iggo
(47,535 posts)You were right. We were wrong.
Whatever. It's over, dude.
(Cold Warriors just can't let go.)
Mika
(17,751 posts)... and some 60 years later the US still has not dropped the sanctions on Cuba, but, you claim that it is Fidel that can't let go?
You cannot be serious.
GOLGO 13
(1,681 posts)You yelling for us to get off your lawn is just precious. We're going to drag you country into the 21st century whether you like it or not.
47of74
(18,470 posts)Mika
(17,751 posts)Mika
(17,751 posts)Interesting, your 'fuck you' attitude to the little brown people of Cuba. Most likely, you'll get a 'fuck you' right back from Cubans.
polly7
(20,582 posts)MowCowWhoHow III
(2,103 posts)FLPanhandle
(7,107 posts)The world has changed but they can't move on. He reminds me of Reagan where he views everything through the prism of Capitalism vs. Communism.
Mika
(17,751 posts)Absurd comments from the "experts" here - none of whom have ever set foot on the island, but feel sure of their pronouncements of the place and the people there.
yourpaljoey
(2,166 posts)Resources to plunder, markets and workers and resources to exploit,
pristine environment to vitiate. The US shall perhaps rename it Haiti II.
Viva Castro!
bdwker
(435 posts)except ....
freedom of speech
freedom of the press
honest democratic elections
freedom to travel
Comrade Fidel.... the world has past you by.
Mika
(17,751 posts)You were in Cuba when?
Throd
(7,208 posts)You were last in Cuba when?
Throd
(7,208 posts)I don't have to go there to know that the Castro regime is authoritarian. I've seen your schtick over the years, denying what is so obviously true and then playing the "when were you there?" card. Tell you what, when the whole thing collapses in a few years and Cubans regain political freedom, I'll buy you a beer at MTV's "Fiesta In Your Face at Fajita Beach" in Havana.
Mika
(17,751 posts)By "schtick" can I assume you mean my posts about my actual experiences while living in Cuba. My actual experiences on the many dozens and dozens of trips made there? My actual experiences attending public political candidate nomination sessions and witnessing candidates being selected, approved, and run for office via an election? THAT "schtick"?
Or maybe the "schtick" I post about my personal experiences with the excellent Cuban health system? Or the posts about how Cubans have access to most all international media, including US print and web media, that "schtick"?
Maybe you mean my posts about the surgical seminars I attend in Cuba with a broad mix of Cuban doctors/educators - that "schtick"? Or, the posts about my family whom I visit regularly, and upon whom I comment on how well informed they are in American and international politics and news - far more so than most Americans I meet. That "schtick"?
Why not go there yourself, now, and see with your own eyes, hear with your own ears, feel and experience with your own intellect, emotion and heart? If you're waiting for "the whole thing {to} collapse", you might have a long wait.
Judi Lynn
(160,451 posts)what whoppers they've been handing out for so long regarding Cuba. All the much better of more people start going there in a hurry, taking the 3rd country route. They need to see for themselves how badly some of us have been fooled.
The stupid ones among us swallowed it all, hook, line, and sinker. They're the easily duped sector they program all the propaganda for, the belligerent ones who need an enemy to hate, and will never question the dumbest lies in the world.
As you noted long ago people from Canada and Europe who post here have traveled back and forth repeatedly, too, only as tourists, unlike you. I recall the one who used be known as Jean Sawyer was also in Cuba during one election season, and thoroughly enjoyed it, learned a lot. She also visited a small town with an institutional sized health spa, with mineral waters, etc., etc. where people from all over the world come, and she said that one day every week was reserved for the people from that town to use their facilities, for free, of course, (all others pay cash).
Have followed your comments over the years, Mika, have loved knowing you've got family, extended family, friends, former co-workers, students, colleagues you still contact when the spirit moves, and that you have been literally from one end of the island to the other, over time.
Glad you were around, and caught some mid-gibber. I'd much rather hear from someone who knows what he's talking about any day. The wingers do all have the same charges and claims, just as their programmers did when they manufactured that spew so long ago.
Mika
(17,751 posts)"I've seen your schtick over the years, denying what is so obviously true and then playing the "when were you there?" card."
Wow.
How is anything so obvious if one has never seen it or experienced it? Serious "woo" (as is the common term here on DU for imaginary scenarios, alchemy and other non-science).
A significant reason I've been going often the last few years: One of my dearest in-laws in Cuba is 97 years old. Still up and about and busy doing things. Her hip's a little stiff, especially after dancing to some son with the youngsters. Has had many eye surgeries for cataracts, etc. She still has a puff or two on a cigar now and then. And a short rum every evening after dinner watching a tele novella. Lots of nice friendly and helpful neighbors. She's a very real progressive, and is disappointed that Cuba never progressed to the real Marxist co-operative economy that so many had sought in the early post Revolution years, but fully understands the forces at work preventing such a progression. Fascinating discussions. Every other day the neighborhood doctor or one of the doctor's nurses stops by her small house on the way to or from work to check up on her, take her blood pressure, and have a laugh and a loud chat (she's a bit deaf) about old times and the crazy youngsters today, and, of course, about Obama's visit - they all watched TV around the clock during the visit, and liked Raul's slight sparring over human rights. Lots of hope. A little trepidation. Glad to see such a friendly POTUS... most every person I talk to there likes Obama.
We talk (I yell) on the phone almost every day. 97. Wow.
Thanks for your kind post.
Judi Lynn
(160,451 posts)isn't it? They are healthy in the last few decades, and they live a very, VERY long time. It's been noted in lotsa places, and their average long life feeds into the excellent longevity records the UN keeps on all countries. So cool.
With such frequent contact with the local health experts, she knows she isn't being forgotten, either. Such a fantastic example of the deep sense of community we've heard from so many people. Very special.
She sounds very interesting. Hope she'll be good for an even longer life. Sounds as if she's going strong for 97! (She's seen so much in her lifetime. She definitely has a great book in her.)
Mika
(17,751 posts)Has 5 teeth in her mouth. Was wearing bad dentures years ago. So, I made her some new dentures which took several trips to get it all done. Took the materials needed for impressions. Made the prosthetics myself in my office. Took some tools and materials for possible adjustments and modifications - which were needed - so I contacted a nearby small dental lab (in Havana) to see if I could do some work @ their lab if they had any free time & space. Of course I could. The lab had decent equipment, sparse on materials, but 3 good and enthusiastic technicians. Hand made with skill... old school... the old way ... the real way, not on some computer to be milled like cookie cutter work. I showed them some of my skills, and they showed me some of theirs. Like all lab techs worldwide ... underpaid for their incredible hand made prototyping skills and dedication to it. Always love exchanges like this. I have since filled-out their list of materials and tool needs, and some of their wants, in return for the use of their space and equipment. Good people. Glad to help. I made new friends. A decade later, the partial dentures look great, and feel good. She was ticked, though, at first, because she gained weight. lol
Judi Lynn
(160,451 posts)That is amazing.
Love that account you gave us.
So much time, and energy invested, and the cooperation from the local people in Cuba was done with love, too. That's where their medical system clearly separates the wheat from the chaff. The ones who take Cuba's free education and take off for greener pastures aren't in it because they mean to help others.
The ones who stay surely DO, by golly! And they've got a whole lot of doctors, too. These doctors are loved and respected throughout the world, as we know.
It would have been a wonderful moment to have been with her as she stepped out of her limited former state into having a mouthful of usable toofs. My eyes are watering just thinking about it.
Gotta go.
Thank you, Mika. You are clearly one of the very good ones.
roody
(10,849 posts)EX500rider
(10,810 posts)Mika
(17,751 posts)Are you seeing the current US (s)election process in action? You think that it's a vibrant democracy here?
EX500rider
(10,810 posts)In 2003, the European Union (EU) accused the Cuban government of "continuing flagrant violation of human rights and fundamental freedoms".
Cuba had the second-highest number of imprisoned journalists of any nation in 2008 (China had the highest) according to various sources, including the Committee to Protect Journalists and Human Rights Watch.
Cuban dissidents face arrest and imprisonment. In the 1990s, Human Rights Watch reported that Cuba's extensive prison system, one of the largest in Latin America, consists of 40 maximum-security prisons, 30 minimum-security prisons, and over 200 work camps. According to Human Rights Watch, Cuba's prison population is confined in "substandard and unhealthy conditions, where prisoners face physical and sexual abuse.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuba#Government_and_politics
Yeah sounds great, if Stalinist dictatorships are your thing.
Mika
(17,751 posts)So, I'm not going to bother with your reposting old HRW BS.
Instead, here are links to old discussions on the Cuban election season - for those who might be interested in more than the old regurgitated cold war ax grinding...
Electoral Process Continues Smoothly Nationwide (Election season kickoff in Cuba)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=405x31936
... and an older one from 2008 ...Ratification elections today (Jan 20) in Cuba
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=405x1894
... and another from 2009 ...Montreal Conf. on Democracy and Elections in Cuba
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=405x14825
EX500rider
(10,810 posts)Mika
(17,751 posts)Do tell us some Cuban history. After all, you're the expert.
EX500rider
(10,810 posts)Actually 49 years. And then it goes to his brother since he got to old and feeble.
Somehow I think if we had a "President Bush" for 49 years and then it went to his brother you wouldn't think that was much of a democracy.
And the fact that you have been there means very little....I've been to lots of places I am not a expert on and know great amounts about some places I have never been.
I suppose North Korea is a "vibrant democracy" too....lol
moonbabygo
(281 posts)I thought you were talking about the USA
Judi Lynn
(160,451 posts)roody
(10,849 posts)dflprincess
(28,072 posts)elections.
To which Castro replied "You first."
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)killbotfactory
(13,566 posts)Full Subtitle:
We dont need the empire to give us anything. Our efforts will be legal and peaceful, because our commitment is to peace and fraternity among all human beings who live on this planet.
http://en.granma.cu/cuba/2016-03-28/brother-obama
slightly different tone, perhaps?
But there are a few dozen copy/pasted impressions of it published in various news outlets. Good thing our media aren't propagandists.
polly7
(20,582 posts)Cuba has accomplished some amazing things despite the brutal, lying blockade. Particularly in medicine, which they've shared their knowledge of around the world - generously, and expecting nothing back.
U.S. companies now ready to swoop in and profit? I wouldn't hold my breath, no matter who is leading Cuba.
whistler162
(11,155 posts)the empire of the USSR back in the day!
Democat
(11,617 posts)No matter how many people have died in his political prisons.
dembotoz
(16,785 posts)GOLGO 13
(1,681 posts)Fidel's old man screaming on the lawn shtick is quaint. We will transform your little country into something really special. And we'll do it for a nice price & under budget too. We promise!
bighart
(1,565 posts)until a few weeks/months have passed and a more clear picture is coming into focus.
My opinion of some of the comments on this thread however is formed.
Many of the comments here come of sounding as if the commenters genuinely believe THEY know how to "FIX" Cuba.
It's almost as if those posters have a the attitude that nation building in Cuba is our duty because a president with a "D" is suggesting it.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)I don't think any of the old slave islands like the way they're treated by the USA.
Some are Half a 'state', less rights for island people or with Cuba Not a Sovereign country treated the same as every other country.