Man shot by Arizona police 'begged for life'
Source: BBC
An unarmed man was shot and killed by a police officer in the US state of Arizona as he begged for his life, according to newly released reports.
Daniel Shaver of Texas was killed in January after police came to his hotel room, responding to a report of a man pointing a rifle out a window.
"Please don't shoot me," Shaver cried before Officer Philip Brailsford shot him five times.
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Shaver's wife, Laney Sweet, has taken to social media to express her frustration with the case. She said authorities were reluctant to provide details.
Read more: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35939668
valerief
(53,235 posts)Or both.
benEzra
(12,148 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)TeddyR
(2,493 posts)Not defending the shooting, but the fact that he had an air gun doesn't make the shooting wrong
cannabis_flower
(3,764 posts)that when the police came to the door, he was no longer even holding the airgun.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)benEzra
(12,148 posts)It would have been crystal clear to the responding officers that the man did not have a rifle on his person, real or not. The officer justified the actual shooting by claiming that the unarmed victim was moving his hands toward his waist while he was crawling on the floor trying to obey police commands, from what I've read. The airgun had nothing to do with the actual shooting, just the original overzealous 911 call.
I'd like to know if the original 911 caller in this case exaggerated and led to the police coming in "hot", like the 911 caller who got that kid shot and killed in Walmart by (falsely) claiming he was pointing a rifle at people and implying he was about to go on a rampage. That's not far removed from SWATting, IMO.
In hindsight, a few seconds' observation by the 911 caller (or some questioning by the dispatcher) might have made it clear that the victim's friend was checking out the scope before they put it away. I certainly wouldn't assume that someone checking out a scope with a rifle pointed high was intending to shoot someone, even if I didn't know it was an airgun. But, that wasn't the justification for the shooting, it just brought the police to the scene.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Where the hell is Hillary??? I hear nothing. Why dont her supporters raise hell about her triangulating on this issue???
Cassiopeia
(2,603 posts)than the lives of our citizens.
And a freeper told me today, on DU, that Bernie is a one issue voter then repeated RW talking points.
I mean a DU'er.
liberalhistorian
(20,814 posts)victims of police violence "super predators" whom we must "bring to heel". In other words, she doesn't give a shit.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)raging moderate
(4,292 posts)Last edited Sat Apr 16, 2016, 03:55 PM - Edit history (1)
Daniel Shaver....
justgamma
(3,662 posts)1. What law was he breaking in an open carry state?
2. Doesn't this prove that even the police can't tell a good guy with a gun from a bad?
3. Does Walmart really have people running around with rifles to kill the birds inside, because I've seen birds in there and I really want to know.
Enrique
(27,461 posts)my question is, when they say he was there on business, it means that an Arizona WalMart had a bird in the store, and called in a bird hit-man from Texas?
cannabis_flower
(3,764 posts)suggests that it wouldn't be profitable to shut down the store to do this, but it would if it was say 3 am. I've been to 24-hour Walmarts at 3 am and at that hour it is like a giant convenience store with very few customers. Usually at that hour they have one or two cashiers and even then the line isn't too long.
benEzra
(12,148 posts)and yes, large buildings (factories, big box stores) occasionally have to resort to either that, or having licensed falconers come in and hunt the birds with hawks. If they don't, the birds will either die a slow death from starvation, or else will damage equipment/merchandise, contaminate food-prep areas with fecal matter, etc., creating liability.
The thing about airguns is that depending on the choice of projectile, they can kill a bird humanely without damaging the building. I would imagine being brought down and killed by a hawk wouldn't be better for the bird than being shot.
red dog 1
(27,756 posts)I hope this cop is found guilty of second-degree murder; and I'm glad that he was fired.
But, damn, I'm really getting tired of hearing stories of unarmed people being shot by the police.....
I hope Mr. Shaver's wife gets a good lawyer & sues Brailsford and the Mesa Police Dept.for millions; but that still leaves her a widow and leaves 2 little girls without a father.
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polly7
(20,582 posts)Lodestar
(2,388 posts)A new style of training for police recruits emphasizes techniques to better de-escalate conflict situations.
BURIEN, WASH. The police recruits arrived in pairs in the woods outside Seattle. For days, they had been calming their minds through meditation and documenting lifes beauty in daily journals. Mindful and centered, they now faced a test: a mentally ill man covered in feces and mumbling to a rubber chicken.
The feces was actually oatmeal and chocolate pudding, the man was another recruit, and the goal of this mock training exercise was to peacefully bring him into custody. The first recruits approached gingerly, trying to engage the man in conversation. When that failed, they moved in and wrestled him to the ground.
For the past three years, every police recruit in the state has undergone this style of training at the Washington State Criminal Justice Training Commission, where officials are determined to produce guardians of democracy who serve and protect instead of warriors who conquer and control.
Gone is the military-boot-camp atmosphere. Gone are the field exercises focused on using fists and weapons to batter suspects into submission. Gone, too, is a classroom poster that once warned recruits that officers killed in the line of duty use less force than their peers.
If your overarching identity is Im a warrior, then you will approach every situation like you must conquer and win, said Sue Rahr, the commissions executive director. You may have a conflict where it is necessary for an officer to puff up and quickly take control. But in most situations, its better if officers know how to de-escalate, calm things down, slow down the action.
Training is at the heart of the national debate over police use of force. So far this year, police have shot and killed more than 900 people, according to a Washington Post database tracking such shootings more than twice the number recorded in any previous year by federal officials. Anti-brutality activists and some law enforcement leaders argue that if police were better trained to de-escalate conflict, some of those people might still be alive.
Rahr, the former sheriff of King County, is one of the nations foremost authorities on this type of training. In April, the Harvard Kennedy School published a report she co-wrote, From Warriors to Guardians: Recommitting American Police Culture to Democratic Ideals, which warns that too many academies are training police officers to go to war with the people we are sworn to protect and serve.
The Presidents Task Force on 21st Century Policing, of which Rahr is a member, has embraced many of these principles. In August, the Police Executive Research Forum, a law enforcement think tank, followed suit.
The goal of the guardian officer is to avoid causing unnecessary indignity, said Seth Stoughton, a law professor at the University of South Carolina and a former police officer in Tallahassee. Officers who treat people humanely, who show them respect, who explain their actions, can improve the perceptions of officers, or their department, even when they are arresting someone.
cont'd
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/investigative/2015/12/10/new-style-of-police-training-aims-to-produce-guardians-not-warriors/
hopemountain
(3,919 posts)and state patrols should have this type of training be mandatory, too.
Lodestar
(2,388 posts)I think in Washington State they train city, country and state police
in the same place...same training. Smart.
Sue Rahr, Ex. Dir., Wash. St. Criminal Justice Training Commission
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hopemountain
(3,919 posts)Nitram
(22,755 posts)I get the feeling cops compete for the most "justifiable kills". "He looked like he was reaching for a gun" seems to be the most popular way to get away with murder by cop. Equivalent to "Go ahead, punk, make my day." Except that the suspect doesn't have to do anything because it ends up being the word of the cop against a dead man.
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)WTF kind of department hires someone who looks like he's all set for cosplay with a bunch of preppers?
Nitram
(22,755 posts)AgerolanAmerican
(1,000 posts)The proliferation of tattoos has to be one of the worst cultural trends I've seen in my lifetime, and with the way the rest of the culture is going, that's saying quite a bit.
Tattoos are literally the mark of slaves - every free person ought to eschew them as such.
Mosby
(16,251 posts)And it's well known that the Mesa PD is out of control.
leftyladyfrommo
(18,864 posts)These police depts need to weed out these violent psychopaths. They make all police officers look terrible.
It's possible to find honest capable employees. Brutal thugs are not good police officers.
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)jonks2746
(41 posts)The police in this country are a bunch of trigger happy psychos.