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Sun Apr 24, 2016, 05:24 PM

Republican financier Koch says Clinton might make better president

Source: Reuters

Billionaire industrialist Charles Koch, a key source of financing for conservative Republican causes along with his brother, said Democrat Hillary Clinton might make a better president than the candidates in the Republican field.

Koch, in an interview to air on Sunday on ABC's "This Week" program, said that in some respects Bill Clinton had been a better president than George W. Bush, who Koch said had increased government spending. Then when asked if Hillary Clinton would be a better president than the Republicans currently running, he said, "It's possible, it's possible."

Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-electon-koch-idUSKCN0XL01J



More signals that the Democratic Party's reconstruction, after 35 years of Wall Street investment, is nearly complete.

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Reply Republican financier Koch says Clinton might make better president (Original post)
whereisjustice Apr 2016 OP
woundedkarma Apr 2016 #1
Chicago1980 Apr 2016 #2
PeoViejo Apr 2016 #4
PeoViejo Apr 2016 #3
cstanleytech Apr 2016 #9
jpak Apr 2016 #5
EndElectoral Apr 2016 #6
whereisjustice Apr 2016 #8
Akicita Apr 2016 #23
yardwork Apr 2016 #7
sulphurdunn Apr 2016 #10
C Moon Apr 2016 #13
Major Hogwash Apr 2016 #14
Lucky Luciano Apr 2016 #11
Mz Pip Apr 2016 #12
zentrum Apr 2016 #20
LibDemAlways Apr 2016 #15
zentrum Apr 2016 #16
Major Nikon Apr 2016 #17
jpak Apr 2016 #24
whereisjustice Apr 2016 #31
JohnnyRingo Apr 2016 #36
Lil Missy Apr 2016 #18
onehandle Apr 2016 #19
NoAssumptionsPls Apr 2016 #21
DhhD Apr 2016 #29
Chemisse Apr 2016 #22
humbled_opinion Apr 2016 #25
Warpy Apr 2016 #26
PatrickforO Apr 2016 #27
beastie boy Apr 2016 #28
Dont call me Shirley Apr 2016 #30
Enthusiast Apr 2016 #32
whereisjustice Apr 2016 #33
Odin2005 Apr 2016 #34
JohnnyRingo Apr 2016 #35
rury Apr 2016 #37
The Second Stone Apr 2016 #38
Skittles Apr 2016 #39
cprise Apr 2016 #40
Elmer S. E. Dump Apr 2016 #41
aurelius2112 Apr 2016 #42
aurelius2112 Apr 2016 #43
happyslug Apr 2016 #44

Response to whereisjustice (Original post)

Sun Apr 24, 2016, 05:31 PM

1. wow...

 

And that's all you need to know about the possible Clinton presidency. If the Kochs are happy, the rest of America will not be.

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Response to whereisjustice (Original post)

Sun Apr 24, 2016, 05:33 PM

2. Why are articles being reposted two and three times?

This has already been posted.

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Response to Chicago1980 (Reply #2)

Sun Apr 24, 2016, 05:36 PM

4. Because it's important

 

That's my take.

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Response to whereisjustice (Original post)

Sun Apr 24, 2016, 05:35 PM

3. Koch feels that Hillary is someone they can do business with.

 

..because they have the sense that Hillary thinks just like them.

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Response to PeoViejo (Reply #3)

Sun Apr 24, 2016, 05:46 PM

9. That or they hope they can give her the Koch kiss of death by tainting her with claims of support.

Wouldnt be the first time someone has used or tried to use reverse psychology to win an election.

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Response to whereisjustice (Original post)

Sun Apr 24, 2016, 05:38 PM

5. locking

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Response to whereisjustice (Original post)

Sun Apr 24, 2016, 05:39 PM

6. Wow..Kagan, Cheney, Kissinger and now the Kochs. She's racking up the endorsements.

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Response to EndElectoral (Reply #6)

Sun Apr 24, 2016, 05:42 PM

8. A Clinton/Trump ticket?

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Response to whereisjustice (Reply #8)

Sun Apr 24, 2016, 07:04 PM

23. Every time I see this picture I wonder where is Bill's left hand? Is Hillary holding it firmly

behind his back with her own?

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Response to whereisjustice (Original post)

Sun Apr 24, 2016, 05:41 PM

7. This is not LBN. Please move to GD-P.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #7)

Sun Apr 24, 2016, 05:51 PM

10. What does this mean in English?

 

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Response to sulphurdunn (Reply #10)

Sun Apr 24, 2016, 06:11 PM

13. :D

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Response to yardwork (Reply #7)

Sun Apr 24, 2016, 06:14 PM

14. She wants to invade Iran.

Koch definitely has $$$ signs in his eyes over her talking about starting another war.


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Response to whereisjustice (Original post)

Sun Apr 24, 2016, 05:52 PM

11. Kochs endorse Sanders I guess. nt

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Response to whereisjustice (Original post)

Sun Apr 24, 2016, 06:09 PM

12. Anyone with half a brain would agree.

I would make a better President than the idiots running for the GOP.

And this wasn't an endorsement. "Possibly" is hardly and endorsement. He's just stating the obvious.

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Response to Mz Pip (Reply #12)

Sun Apr 24, 2016, 06:37 PM

20. It's nothing so benign as this.

Charles Koch puts his money where his mouth is. If he thinks she's better than the Repubs—he will do what he can to engineer her election. That's what the Kochs do.

A I say below, the Kochs were one of the founding funders of the DLC. They have no problem with Democrats so long as they are corporate Democrats.

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Response to whereisjustice (Original post)

Sun Apr 24, 2016, 06:25 PM

15. Koch would have no problem with Hillary since she's

firmly on side of the 1%.

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Response to whereisjustice (Original post)

Sun Apr 24, 2016, 06:29 PM

16. Old News in a way.

The Kochs were one of the funders of the DLC way back. Clinton and the Kochs understand each other perfectly and clearly have compatible goals.

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Response to whereisjustice (Original post)

Sun Apr 24, 2016, 06:30 PM

17. Results...

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #17)

Sun Apr 24, 2016, 07:07 PM

24. the mods locked my earlier post of this

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Response to jpak (Reply #24)

Sun Apr 24, 2016, 07:52 PM

31. Sorry to hear. This is clearly not opinion. It is factual event, even if an inconvenient truth.

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Response to jpak (Reply #24)

Sun Apr 24, 2016, 08:46 PM

36. I think the post is misleading bullshit...

...but alerting on it is bigger bullshit. If there was a 25 cent PayPal charge for alerts DU could forget about fundraising.

Have we forgotten how to debate like contemptuous children?

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Response to whereisjustice (Original post)

Sun Apr 24, 2016, 06:31 PM

18. of course she would. my dog's hairy asshole would be better than any of the repubes. n/t

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Response to whereisjustice (Original post)

Sun Apr 24, 2016, 06:34 PM

19. They don't want Hillary, but the 'Not Hillary' Party will spin it like they do.

The Kochs are terrified of losing Congress.

Trump will destroy the GOP.

Period.

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Response to whereisjustice (Original post)

Sun Apr 24, 2016, 06:41 PM

21. He didn't say he supported her -

He said he had to see if her actions were different than her rhetoric. As of right now, he doesn't like what she is saying. Maybe there is a subliminal agenda and he's communicating in "code," but, if you take his comments at surface value, how did his original comments get so twisted?

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Response to NoAssumptionsPls (Reply #21)

Sun Apr 24, 2016, 07:36 PM

29. I believe that he is suggesting that her pre-April 2015 announcement record, would be more to his

liking. Is he insinuating that she vet him as a possible VP? According to the Koch's, a Bircher would understand how to put down the Tea Party, and put Russia in its place, out of Iran and Syria.

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Response to whereisjustice (Original post)

Sun Apr 24, 2016, 06:57 PM

22. A corpse would make a better president than the Repub candidates.

Hopefully that will be clear to the vast majority of people - including the Koch brothers and many other Republicans - come November.

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Response to whereisjustice (Original post)

Sun Apr 24, 2016, 07:11 PM

25. and of course

we will be called upon to support Hillary's hard right turn during the GE and if we refuse we will be labeled.... I sincerely hope that everyone here will hold her accountable for her positions and not blame people that actually think the party is headed in the wrong direction and want to get the party away from the influence of Wall Street Billions...

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Response to whereisjustice (Original post)

Sun Apr 24, 2016, 07:14 PM

26. That's just a measure of how unbearable the top two GOPs are

and you can bet the Koch boys have interviewed both of them.

With the GOP setting such an abysmally low bar, the worst candidates we could possibly come with would look a lot better.

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Response to whereisjustice (Original post)

Sun Apr 24, 2016, 07:15 PM

27. Wow. A GLOWING endorsement.

Or is it irradiated fracking fluid that is causing the glow?

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Response to whereisjustice (Original post)

Sun Apr 24, 2016, 07:20 PM

28. DUH!

Koch stating the obvious!

After his fiasco with Walker he must be desperate to signal to the world that he has not completely lost his marbles...

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Response to whereisjustice (Original post)

Sun Apr 24, 2016, 07:48 PM

30. Well isn't that special! Kochs have a crush on Hillary! Nothing to see here folks, just move along.

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Response to whereisjustice (Original post)

Sun Apr 24, 2016, 07:52 PM

32. That depends on what the meaning of "better" is.

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Response to Enthusiast (Reply #32)

Sun Apr 24, 2016, 08:15 PM

33. lol

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Response to whereisjustice (Original post)

Sun Apr 24, 2016, 08:22 PM

34. The fix is in, the Kochtopus has spoken.

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Response to whereisjustice (Original post)

Sun Apr 24, 2016, 08:39 PM

35. That makes sense.

Who in their right fucking mind wouldn't think Hillary might be a better president than Cruz or Trump? It doesn't mean they expect preference from her, it's just that the Republicans have set such a low bar this cycle.

The Kochs may think Sanders would be a better president as well, it's just that they, like the rest of us, know he's not going to be the nominee. Doesn't anyone notice that they didn't even ask how the Kochs feel about Bernie? No one is taking him seriously after New York.

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Response to whereisjustice (Original post)

Sun Apr 24, 2016, 09:51 PM

37. Koch knows that Hillary (and Bill) are friends of the 1 percent

NOT the rest of us.
Can. not. vote. for. her.

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Response to whereisjustice (Original post)

Sun Apr 24, 2016, 10:17 PM

38. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day

 

GWB was a disaster for this country in every way. Bill Clinton did a lot of good things. The Koch's looking at Trump, who would be a nightmare for everyone in every way, and Cruz, who is a reincarnation of Dick Nixon with religious fervor can't be a soothing thought to Charlie and David. They are probably hoping to set up Paul Ryan at the convention or for 2020. I think they realize that 2016 is starting to narrow a lot.

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Response to whereisjustice (Original post)

Sun Apr 24, 2016, 11:14 PM

39. he is correct

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Response to whereisjustice (Original post)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 01:07 AM

40. WHOOP! There it is!!!

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Response to whereisjustice (Original post)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 07:34 AM

41. There should be a Bernie ad in there somewhere!

 

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Response to whereisjustice (Original post)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 10:23 AM

42. Charles Koch on the GOP convention: 'Why go?'

 

Just wow..... Koch brothers "not interested in politics".
They don't support along party lines, whoever is the best choice for them, they'll support.....

Sounds like they are backing off the GOP and will throw in support for HRC..
Way to go Dems!
Supporting the candidate that the Koch brothers also endorse......so sad to see so many people drinking the HRC koolaid.



http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/277468-charles-koch-on-the-gop-convention-why-go

Koch also said party lines don't determine the candidates he supports.

“We're not for somebody because they're Republican or against them because they are Democrat,” Koch said.

“If the Democrats will do a better job, we would support them. But we're not going to get in any campaign where we believe that we can’t make a difference."

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Response to aurelius2112 (Reply #42)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 10:58 AM

43. Charles Koch almost letting the cat out of the bag....(he's really for Hillary)

 

Very disturbing comment at the end....HRC's actions will be different than her rhetoric......Pander lately?

GOP Megadonor Charles Koch Suggests He Could Back Clinton
April 25, 2016
Headlines

Republican megadonor Charles Koch has said he could support Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton over a Republican nominee in November. In an interview with ABC News, Koch said he would only support Republican candidates Donald Trump or Ted Cruz if they change certain proposals, including Cruz’s vow to carpet-bomb ISIS and Trump’s plan to ban Muslims from entering the United States. Koch spoke to journalist Jonathan Karl.

Jonathan Karl: "Am I hearing you correctly: You think Bill Clinton was a better president than George W. Bush?"

Charles Koch: "Well, in some ways. In other ways, I mean, he wasn’t an exemplar."

Jonathan Karl: "Yeah."

Charles Koch: "But as far as the growth of government, the increase in spending, on restrictive regulations, it was two-and-a-half times under Bush than it was under Clinton."

Jonathan Karl: "So is it possible another Clinton could be better than another Republican—"

Charles Koch: "It’s possible."

Jonathan Karl: "—the next time around?"

Charles Koch: "It’s possible."

Jonathan Karl: "You couldn’t see yourself supporting Hillary Clinton, could you?"

Charles Koch: "Well, I—that—her—we would have to believe her actions would be quite different than her rhetoric. Let me put it that way."

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Response to whereisjustice (Original post)

Mon Apr 25, 2016, 12:15 PM

44. Is he that worried that Trump will win in November????

 

Remember Trump opposes many of the laws, the Kochs support. For Example Trump SUPPORTS Social Security, something the Kochs (and by that term I include their father) has opposed since the 1930s. Trump's money was made in Real Estate, that he sees no value in the TransPacific Free Trade procedure and thus has come out against it. Trump had fought many a union in his rise to fame and wealth, but he has also dealt with them and understand their value to society.

Yes, Trump is a racist and wants to build a wall between the US and Mexico, but he is more left wing in economic matters then is Hillary Clinton. People on this board complain about African Americans NOT voting their pocket books by supporting Hillary over Sanders, but Trump supporters are voting their pocket books, thus Trump's support is as deep as the support for Sanders. The Support for Hillary and Cruz are NOT as deep. Right now, Cruz is losing to Trump, but Hillary is winning over Sanders but that is more an indication of preference than any deep support.

Thus many a supporter of Trump and Sanders will NOT even vote this fall if their candidate is NOT on the ballot. Hillary has to be careful for many Sanders supporters see Trump as their second choice not Hillary. The supporters of Sanders and Trump are indication that a sizable portion of the American People want radical change, change that they first indicated they wanted by voting in Obama. That desire to change is still in existence and Hillary and Cruz do NOT represent any change economically, and it is economic change that people want.

In many ways I compare this election to the election of 1896, when the Democratic Party selected what they considered a radical , in terms of economics, as their Presidential Candidate. The GOP won that election through outspending the Democratic Party almost 10 to 1 and then by massive cheating (The 1896 election was the first election with the Secret Ballot, which permits massive cheating by simply losing votes, or counting them as double voting as thus not valid). In 1900 the same candidates were selected again, but this time the GOP had to address the radical positions of the Democratic Party, by putting Theodore Roosevelt as the VP candidate (you can only cheat so much, once the cheating gets beyond 2 to 3% of the vote, it become to obvious, thus cheating is used to win marginal election not build landslides or stop landslides).

After 1900 the Progressive era was in full swing. The Democratic Party leading the charge for change (and at the same time keeping its base in the South happy by making Segregation the Law as to Federal Jobs when the Democratic Party won the White House and Congress in 1912, while passing the Constitutional Amendment permitting Income Taxation). This radical was temporally reduced in the 1920s, but came back in force in the 1930s under the New Deal. Herbert Hoover, the last GOP President before Franklin Roosevelt, called the New Deal "Bryanism without Bryan" basically pointing out that the New Deal had bee the Democratic Party's aim since it named Bryan as its Candidate in 1896).

Thus this election is the most like 1896, a Democratic revolt against the Democratic Leadership, a revolt that appears to have massive support among people under age 50. That was the same group that supported Bryan in 1896, rejecting the old old line "me to" Democrats of Grover Cleveland. Unlike 1896 it appears the revolt will fail to get the nomination, but it is clearly a revolt that has legs and will become stronger as the years go by. Thus 1896 lead to the Democratic Victory in 1912 and again in 1932. Thus the fact Bernie losses this year, will have little affect on the Revolt, just like Bryan's defeat in 1896 had little affect on his revolution that slowly converted the Democratic Party form a "me to" party to the GOP, to a working class oriented part it become after 1896 (Yes, the Democratic Party of 1896 was also a racist party, but it slowly put its racism behind economics as the later clearly became more important to more and more voters after 1896).

I bring this up for Trump and Sanders are the wave of the Future for both Parties, just like Bryan and Theodore Roosevelt were the wave of the Future for both Parties in the 1890s.

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