Jane Sanders: No back tax returns until Clinton releases Wall Street transcripts

pretty smart. Jane and Bernie realize that Shillary's not gonna show those transcripts no matter WHO REVEALS WHAT! She already realizes it's evident she's a liar - why throw MORE fuel on the confirmation?

And never have to report that $200K payout from Burlington College to get Jane to go away after she ran their finances into the ground.

I know - just last week when I did our taxes - I was looking for EVERY WAY I COULD to give more money for bombs 'n important stuff like that. Screw those damned deductions!

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In fact there are no loopholes in the tax code. They are all legal deductions.

social security, since it is being paid back from general revenues.

Stop with the name calling and stop with the tearing down of the Democratic soon-to-be nominee of our party. This is not a frivolous matter. Take you bile and spill it elsewhere. This election may be the most clear and crucial of all of our lifetimes.

So stop with the silly derogatory and misogynist name calling. And stop doing the work of the #GOP.

... to speak. In front of hundreds of people. Big whoop.

It's what well known people do.

Bernie will be doing this himself if he can when this is all over. He will have campaign debts to pay.

And if he wants to run for Senate again in 2018 I doubt HRC will want to be as generous with funding as she was last time around.

Keeping right in line with one lie after another, she just can't keep a promise.

Some animals are more equal than other animals.

They are showing themselves unprepared, unready and unfit for office.

I am increasingly disappointed by the campaign that Sanders is running. Hard to tell whether he is being misled by his advisors or whether this is the true colors emerging.

Either way - it is increasingly unappealing. And that is from someone who has followed him for years and admired the role he has played in speaking up on important issues. I never expected him to actually DO very much and he didn't. But this campaign of his - Meh!

Since yours was the first, you could have tried starting a debate instead.

But is remains a a stain on their integrity until it is cleared up.

Fortunately we can all move forward and demand that Drumpf disclose his taxes. Now THAT will be interesting.

Gets knocked down. Stands right back up and starts swinging.

She's far from perfect HRC is a decent person, hard-working, exceptionally smart and an an effective leader.

and no one really gives a fuck at this point.

Hillary won't release any information unless forced to by court order. Even then they will mysteriously turn up years from now having been mislaid.
That has been known to happen. She is so disorganized, you know.

which is what I was referring to. no one gives a fuck about the Sander's tax returns.

I'm well aware that many DUers are very concerned with the content of Clinton's speeches to private organizations.

I care very much about his tax returns and find it increasingly disturbing that we keep getting promises about them. The deflection to the so-called transcripts is just that - a deflection.

Some people can't stand the idea of a woman getting paid to talk in front of hundreds (some secret right?) Good for her for getting paid as a private citizen.

Providing tax returns is a routine matter for all presidential candidates. We should demand them from Drumpf too.

The fact that the Sanders are unwilling or unable or are afraid to share there's is a matter of concern.

After all - this is the man who is running on the transparency platform. Glasshouses.

My point is: its a moot point. The race is over. I doubt the contents would have made any difference in anyone's decision, regardless.

I think I hate this election more than any previous election in my lifetime. See my signature line:

Time to stop trashing the person who will lead us in the battle with the GOP.

Let's focus on victory in November and not on tearing down a highly qualified and terrific candidate.

And spin her refusal to release the speeches as "private speech to a private audience."

The shills do know how to deflect anything from their proud Kissinger loving, Nancy Reagan rehabbing, DOMA/DADT supporting, Iraq War voting, former Wal-mart Exec Board member Goldwater Girl.

And they accuse others of being right wingers.

think he's hiding anything, I just think he's been a real jerk about it. It's standard procedure for candidates to release their tax returns, but Bernie seems to expect to be treated differently.

It's just a special made-up requirement for the first woman to ever get this far.

No one asked Kerry to do this when he ran, or any of the Rethugs, and it used to be legal for even sitting members of Congress to give paid speeches.

Person with the "little lady" in your post do you? I am sure there are better ways to show your ignorance. Please do try harder ok?

Didn't remotely think I needed to employ the tag.

The transcripts will show who's back she REALLY has. Bernie's tax returns will show he and Jane have their backs - that's it. And isn't it ironic that Bernie's tax returns weren't even mentioned until the Hill camp realized her threat no longer had teeth? I mean.... WHO else had to release transcripts if that was the trigger? The GOP candidates too??? Which nomination is she trying for? Oh - wait - could be either one!

Why is she reluctant to release the transcripts of those speeches? She has vowed to be tough on Wall Street, yet she has accepted hundreds of thousands of dollars for those speeches.

If there is nothing nefarious in the speeches, then why not releases the transcripts. Remember Romney and his '1%' speech that was secretly recorded? What did Hillary say behind closed doors that might destroy her candidacy?

stop flogging it!

... and do the right thing. Tell the truth and release the returns.

But that doesn't seem to be in his character. Taking responsibility I mean.

Take the Bernie Bullies and the foul surrogates.

He just let's 'em be.

Time for Bernie to grow up.

Can you explain why she refuses to release the transcripts? Or why she insisted that no video or public transcripts?

As President she would be responsible for regulating Wall Street and those she took money from. Why are her supporters reluctant to answer everytime these transcripts are mentioned?

The answer has to be that if she released the transcripts she would be found out for what she is.

Seems shady and shifty.

And we need to start demanding that Drumpf release his tax returns. hard to do that when there's no moral high ground on which to stand.

Maybe she's not done shredding and berning all the stuff we'd be interested in.

Of course this is all horseshit -- but now you can see how it feels for yourself.

We don't know until he releases them. What's the big deal?

Why can't they get there act together? It all just seems a little shady. Or at the best unprepared and unready for prime time.

Releasing the returns is normal routine for those running for president. Now we have to demand them of Drumpf. Hard to do when he fellow foot dragging demagogue is not forthcoming with this basic requirement.

Shoddy campaigning would be the most benign explanation.

They'll never have to release their returns. For whatever reason, that's obviously important to them.

is that HE won't have to be the one to explain how we ended up with President Trump. How will the queen do that? What will she say before she goes off to hide in shame? "Oops!"

It'll be us Bernie supporters who are to blame. You see, we want progress and action and that's just not where the country needs to be, you know. We shouldn't worry our hippy liberal heads about it. And she doesn't need our votes anyway. Did I get it all right?

This election is way too serious fro this petty stuff. Time for the petty hate to fade away.

The Sanders should release their taxes.But my guess is they are not going to as they know they are not going to win and so they can run out the clock.

Meanwhile - we have a great candidate. HRC is not perfect but she is a decent person and a very effective leader.

We need to see her win in November. For all our sakes.

And he lied during the April 14 debate when he promised to release them.

For what that is worth.

correction - in 2014.

Filing tax returns is. You can try to create a oral equivalency all you like but the fact that she gave a speech to some bankers isn't scandalous no matter how much you try to make it so.

I agree . . . and yet, despite how much she was offered and paid to speak to those bankers,
until she releases the transcripts of those speeches, one can only question how much her words
are really worth.

I don't really give a shit what she said to them although I can guess, having heard more than my fill of executive-level speechifying. This whole thing is stupid. People who don't like Hillary tend not to like Goldman Sachs (for perfectly fair reasons) and are trying to make something nefarious out of this. Maybe you think the speech transcripts will be a smoking gun, except that nobody got shot as a result of Clinton giving a speech to some Wall Street types.

Is that supposed to mean anything? Something? Nothing?





P.S.
Just because you "...don't really give a shit what she said...." doesn't mean others
feel the same way---especially not the many Bernie supporters who Hillary expects
will join her, without questioning, in an effort to unify the Party before the convention,
as if she wishes the primary season was over . . . and as if Trump and/or his supporters
won't give a shit what she said any more than you do.

Sanders filed his taxes, he just hasn't released them to the public. He has met his legal obligation already, and if he violated any laws, I'm sure the IRS let him know about it.

Should he release his taxes? Sure. The worst that would happen is that there would be something embarrassing in there that might conflict with his campaign rhetoric. I suspect what you'd find is that Sanders pays a shockingly low amount in taxes for someone who's continually talking about raising them for people that make as much as he does.

Should she release her speeches? Sure. The worst that would happen is that there would be something embarrassing in there that might conflict with her campaign rhetoric. Be honest, you know wall street banks didn't give her gobs of money to show up and tell their employees that THEY were the problem. You know that her speeches will provide loads of fodder for the "Clinton is in bed with Wall Street" argument.

Why not 2015? Or any other years?

The one return he DID release doesn't give me a lot of ease. According to his 2012 Senate financial disclosure he owned some Vermont rental property. His 2014 return doesn't show any rental income. His 2012 financial disclosure shows a rental property in Vermont. He also bought a condo in DC and financed roughly $100,000 worth of it, but his mortgage interest deduction is more in line with a $500,000 mortgage - plus, with all his deductions added in he's written off a fifth of his income. Either he doesn't eat or he's hiding something.

...don't need to see them, or the overblown "transcripts"

They don't want people to see how low their tax rate was, despite their huge pay-off from Burlington College when the college paid her to go away after she drove their finances into the dirt.

all.

I'm not talking about the Clinton foundation.

Looking for liberal link. Found one:
http://gawker.com/hillary-clinton-and-donald-trump-share-a-delaware-tax-l-1772842587

their full returns for 30 years.

And from your link:



Meanwhile, all we have from Bernie is the return from a single year, 2014. And nothing from 2011, when Burlington College paid Jane to go away.

the Clintons' companies. The five companies in question are Limited Liability Companies. LLC's provide absolutely NO tax advantage to their owners. The LLC does not file taxes, nor does it have any tax liability. All income the LLC receives is treated as direct income to the owner(s) just as if the checks had been written directly to them. All this nonsense about 'tax dodges' is just so much RW bullshit that has absolutely zero basis in fact. It's a shame to see any Democrat slinging this shameless propaganda around.

The campaign is all over but for the dying gasps and final money grabs. It's clear to the Sanders that HRC will be the nominee.

They have calculated that they can withhold and run out the clock on the routine expectation of disclosure.

Jane, I don't want to see your tax returns. You've got nothing I'm interested in seeing or hearing. Wish you the best in your endeavors, but you are irrelevant and have been for quite some time.

Come on Hill! If those $250,000 speeches are so damned innocent, hand over the transcripts.

And because you won't...it's hard to tell what kind of crap was promised with a wink and nod, to the Banksters.

Release the tax returns
Release the transcripts

and a crock of poo.

Go home and don't come back out into the real world until you have those tax records to show us, Jane.

He should drop out.

because the talking heads say otherwise, the double speak coming out of her month,...............well see the DLC and the THird Way demanding things just like in 1992.------------------its the inequality stupid , we have people in c-orpoarte suits who know how to keep the inequality going tyhe professionalm know what to do what is best on ineqaulity------------------because they were behind those closed doors listening to her speech on how to keep that status claim on those in the suites who feel that they have been put into the inequality class............................

its like standing on a corner and your on a soap box pleading for the delegate to come and play on your side of the soap box................................to look at the facts----------------------the fact on determining the person that can do it for me and you..........................only one little problem, the pledges where made prior to the contest------------------you never wanted to hear my proposals ...................................why..........................becasue your proposals were sold out to the highest bidder to have those promises to protect the professional elite from inequality, and then blame those that they didn't make the class of professional,

Thomas Frank, Listen, Liberal....................................chapter 5

Hillary is 280 delegates away from total victory.

Sanders is the loser.

I appreciate your comments, and your right Clinton is a loser in the long term...........................my principles are aligned to Sanders, hers are aligned to whom.....................................the flip flop, I really like in her worse comments that she basically said-------------------------------I don't need your Sanders supporters-----------------------good---------------------her principles are DLC and THIRD WAY and there suites behind closed doors with hedge funds----------------great candidate.................this is what she is................................and oh yeah, she and Bill like to cross picket lines in 1971-------------another principle...........................really going to bat for the joes and janes in the country when it comes to hedge funds.......................right.................................more drival.

http://prospect.org/article/what-good-are-hedge-funds


Honk--------------------for a political re volition Bernie 2016

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Honk----------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016

comments on my character and about putting periods at the end of a sentence structure..............really...............have a nice day.



Honk---------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016

You should look up ellipses if you're interested in using multiple periods.


http://www.thepunctuationguide.com/ellipses.html

I don't recall him making any speeches, or camped out with the OWS protesters, or donating money. Did he write any op-eds supporting OWS, or in any other way lift a finger?

Seems he's only interested in having the soap box to himself. You call that a revolution?

I think Bernie Sanders is a lot more aligned to the Occupy movement than Clinton, if I do remember correctly, he has not wavered in his principles from 1963, when it comes to banks, trade, unions, (he never crossed a picket line in 1971) and climate issues, inequality and what I now call the professional suites behind close doors.

I think he was on the front line long before someone else was.......................

Abby Martin on Ms. Clinton................



http://www.mintpressnews.com/abby-martin-exposes-hillary-clinton-really-represents/215921/



Honk--------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016

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The math
The delegates
The votes (aka the "system' i.e. democratic processes)

It's over.

Bernie ran. Did exceptionally well. He lost.

Losing is hard - ask Hillary on that one.

But the true measure of a person and a campaign is how they pick themselves up.

There's work to be done if we want victory in November

We will be at this "convention" and we will have a say on this platform, win or lose---------------the DLC and the Third Way cannot run away from that fact, "if" Clinton gets the nomination she needs the political revolution votes behind her, that is a fact and she has an arrogance towards his supporters.

And the selective regional voting shows that she is a weak candidate in this election.

The process has not even finished "yet" and all we hear now is the talking heads saying this "are you going to drop out" or that and he should drop out, that is not a democracy, it is what normally called a rating show of greed, embedded in the oligarchies of the media.

And now the public gets the drivel that he should for the sake of the party "quit" it isn't going to happen, the corporate suites in the DLC and the Third Way are just that, corporate suites, they got there supposed show-----------------and now we public get that he should drop out, really, he has supporters backing him and we have and he has said he is in this to the end, that is because of the platform issues, on the table now and what this party is going to represent for the future, its that simple, either you are going to support the Clinton Third Way , DLC or you are going to be a progressive.

I want to know since, Clinton has been saying that she will support down ballot candidate, if she supports Tim Canova over Wassermann -Schultz, that is a litmus tests of her core values-----------------in my opinion.

Clinton has not said one word on supporting measures of the working class against the professional corporate suites-----------I still think of TPP, not one environmentalist or working class union representative was in on that negotiation, that is a disgrace, and it shows what the Third Way and DLC are all about

And the true measure is to have your voice heard on issues, and not change your political positions just for expedience, we did it during the Iraq War stupidity, the Vietnam Conflict---------------that is measure to be heard.

I have not heard one word from the Clinton "team" about the U.S. Supreme Court, not one, that is a issue, that is a litmus test of leadership-----------------the right wing has already said what they want-----------------more 35 years of right wing "stuff"

Have a good day


Honk------------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016

... let's see Trump's income actual tax forms which he has refused. Curious minds want to know. Wonder why he refuses?

We are not campaigning against progressives (although some have no qualms about doing that).
If you don't like how much she got paid for a speech, get over it. It is none of your business so long as she reported as income on her tax reforms as required,
Contractual requirements are just that.

I would like to ask one question------------------what do you think of hedge funds?
Do you like them, or do you not like them?

You may ask why in this thread, it was about Sander's not wanting to release there taxes, until Clinton releases the transcripts of what was said behind closed doors with bankers and hedge fund types---------------------well, here is a report of what you get with a hedge fund and some history of what happens ..................................and its relevant to those transcripts-----------------------and to who was behind those close doors.............................and before someone says this a a rag magazine------------------it's a lot more reliable than Morning Joe going to have Paul (Ayn Rand ) Ryan and dtrumfp on to start the day.............................
This election / race is about inequalty and those that make inequality at a profit and by there taxes that they "pay"...................


http://prospect.org/article/what-good-are-hedge-funds



Honk------------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016

The Sanders are not going to have to release the returns...

Hillary is going to get the nomination at this point and as thus, no release of the transcripts.

I am disappointed that the sanders campaign was so reluctant about releasing the tax returns.

It is sad that I have only felt proud after voting for a president. The first was in 08, because I never thought an African American would be president in my lifetime. The other was in 12, because the same president came out for marriage equality during an election campaign. Say what you will about the number of Americans supporting it, it still took courage to come out like that.

Really detestable.

they make a mere pittance compared to Hillary. And Hillary is cleaning up thanks to those Wall St. speeches we're not allowed to know about. Good for Jane.

now for campaigns, especially for president.

Kerry released every tax return since he first became a senator in the 80s and as candidate for president.

I don't understand why people are pretending to treat it as an unusual circumstance.

But keep posting. I'm sure you can alienate some Bernie voters who might have been resigned to vote for Hillary.

I'm a Sanders voter who has no problem saying truthfully that releasing tax returns is normal procedure for any candidate and I, for one, will add that I don't doubt that Sanders would follow suit.

Why are you pretending I said anything else?

supporters in the GE. Releasing the transcripts gives her an opportunity to show that it was all much ado about nothing. By not releasing them, it makes it seem as if she's hiding something because SHE'S HIDING SOMETHING! So, if she wants to win the GE, she cannot afford to alienate anyone. She cannot ignore the fact that many people consider her untrustworthy by continuing to hide the transcripts.

I am a Sanders supporter, but I acknowledge that his chances to go into the convention with enough delegates is difficult if not impossible. That being said, given the choice between Clinton and Trump, some of them will stay home. The question is how many? Releasing the transcripts could make her appear more trustworthy and would give her the opportunity to secure the votes of those Sanders supporters.

Anyone who thinks Democrats should give the Republicans opposition research material for free should be ashamed of him- or herself. Which is EXACTLY what would happen.

and at this point, I wish them both many happy years of marriage.

I just can't wait to sink my teeth into the oodles-of-noodles of "dark money" behind the vast, hidden, menacing O'Meara-Sanders empire.

Only YOU can save us from it/her/him/them, Hillary.

Time to act! I know we can count on you!

. . . do you think Hillary knows when t' hold 'em, when t' fold 'em?

Only 51 more Rhode Islands coupled with this, and his nomination is a lock.

First, you HAVE to count the superdelegates. There's no choice in the matter.

Delegate totals from Rhode Island:

Sanders: 13 pledged, 0 unpledged, total of 13.
Clinton: 11 pledged, 9 unpledged, total of 20.

Rhode Island was like Wyoming: he won the popular vote by a small amount, she got the most delegates.

--are probably the same people who were outraged when Mitt Romney would not produce his tax returns.

Hillary has made all her tax returns available going back 20 years. This is standard practice unless you're Romney (or Trump). What the hell is Sanders' problem? He acts like there's something to hide.

Sanders is done, it doesn't matter anymore.

She obviously doesn't believe she should release them or she wouldn't be demanding a quid pro quo to do so.

Sanders decides to be another politician.

Maybe this is why the Sanders aura isn't generating more votes.