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Thu Apr 28, 2016, 04:18 PM

Blue_Tires (55,415 posts)

16 US Military Personnel Disciplined in Afghanistan Hospital Strike

Source: NBC News

Sixteen U.S. military officials have been disciplined in their roles in the bombing of a Doctors Without Borders hospital in Afghanistan, according to a senior defense official, NBC News reported.

The official said the punishments will be non-judicial, and some will be career-ending. No criminal charges are pending.

Multiple defense officials told NBC News that the report into the investigation of the bombing in the city of Kunduz will be released on Friday. The new commander of U.S. Central Command, General Joseph Votel, will brief the findings.

President Barack Obama has apologized for the Oct. 3 airstrike, which was conducted as Afghan troops tried to retake the city from the Taliban. The top U.S. commander in Afghanistan called the bombing a "tragic mistake."

Read more: http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/national-international/Military-to-Release-Report-on-Doctors-Without-Borders-Hospital-Attack-Friday-377394321.html

For those of you keeping score, know that Russia hasn't even admitted any wrongdoing for any of the hospitals they have attacked, including the one earlier today...

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16 US Military Personnel Disciplined in Afghanistan Hospital Strike (Original post)	Blue_Tires	Apr 2016	OP
Oh goody, we apologized...I'm sure that will make it all better...	AuntPatsy	Apr 2016	#1
And that's still more than any other nation would have done...	Blue_Tires	Apr 2016	#3
The red mist accepts your apologies	Fairgo	Apr 2016	#2
Is any apology coming for this?	Blue_Tires	Apr 2016	#4
I reject your sophism	Fairgo	Apr 2016	#5
I have no idea what that means	Blandocyte	Apr 2016	#7
Your rejection isn't a refutation...	Blue_Tires	Apr 2016	#9
Saying, 'they do it too', isn't an argument.	ronnie624	Apr 2016	#10
The warm rat is yours	Fairgo	Apr 2016	#12
Maybe in six months?	Tactical Peek	Apr 2016	#8
Ahh the sound of someone who has never done a 15-6 investigation...	TipTok	Apr 2016	#13
Maybe they will start marking their hospitals from the air...	EX500rider	Apr 2016	#6
They did that, it was bombed anyway	happyslug	Apr 2016	#14
If it was properly marked from the air they wouldn't have confused it with the Intelligence..	EX500rider	Apr 2016	#15
That is why the discipline	happyslug	Apr 2016	#16
Abu Ghraib	warrprayer	Apr 2016	#11

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Thu Apr 28, 2016, 04:23 PM

AuntPatsy (9,904 posts)

1. Oh goody, we apologized...I'm sure that will make it all better...

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Thu Apr 28, 2016, 04:28 PM

Blue_Tires (55,415 posts)

3. And that's still more than any other nation would have done...

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Thu Apr 28, 2016, 04:28 PM

Fairgo (1,571 posts)

2. The red mist accepts your apologies

Their children, not so much.

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Thu Apr 28, 2016, 04:30 PM

Blue_Tires (55,415 posts)

4. Is any apology coming for this?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141431224

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Thu Apr 28, 2016, 04:32 PM

Fairgo (1,571 posts)

5. I reject your sophism

The logic of your argument forsakes the values of democracy and leaps into the sewer to fight your neighbour for the last warm rat.

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Thu Apr 28, 2016, 05:30 PM

Blandocyte (1,231 posts)

7. I have no idea what that means

but I'm going to use that sometime! Very good!

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Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:31 AM

Blue_Tires (55,415 posts)

9. Your rejection isn't a refutation...

And the truth behind my argument stand regardless of whether or not you choose to accept it.

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Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:53 AM

ronnie624 (5,764 posts)

10. Saying, 'they do it too', isn't an argument.

It's a diversion, thus a logical fallacy.

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Fri Apr 29, 2016, 03:43 PM

Fairgo (1,571 posts)

12. The warm rat is yours

enjoy

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Thu Apr 28, 2016, 06:43 PM

Tactical Peek (947 posts)

8. Maybe in six months?

Apparently it takes that long to review the video and audio of a major clusterfuck to determine that yes, this was indeed a major clusterfuck.

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Fri Apr 29, 2016, 11:05 PM

TipTok (2,474 posts)

13. Ahh the sound of someone who has never done a 15-6 investigation...

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Thu Apr 28, 2016, 05:00 PM

EX500rider (6,516 posts)

6. Maybe they will start marking their hospitals from the air...

.....as required in a war zone.

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Fri Apr 29, 2016, 11:26 PM

happyslug (14,779 posts)

14. They did that, it was bombed anyway

They had even given there location coordinates to the US. Thus it was a known hospital. It was clear at the time that this was a hospital.

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Sat Apr 30, 2016, 08:54 AM

EX500rider (6,516 posts)

15. If it was properly marked from the air they wouldn't have confused it with the Intelligence..

.....building that they thought they were hitting.

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Sat Apr 30, 2016, 03:02 PM

happyslug (14,779 posts)

16. That is why the discipline

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The people involved knew or should have known it was a hospital. A request was made to hit it and everyone involved ignored that it was marked as a hospital. The bombing was ordered and done and no one asked why a hospital was being hit. Everyone involved should be up on charges, but I suspect the orders as to what can be bombed were so vague that it is enough to defeat the criminal charges thus this level of discipline.

It was reported at the time of the bombing that the voice recording recorded the air crew questioning the order, but were told to destroy the hospital anyway. Thus whoever over ruled the pilot should be charged, but I suspect that is above the pay grade of whoever is doing this investigation.

In the military any investigation must be done by someone senior to anyone involved, thus if a general over ruled the pilot a higher grade general must lead the investigation. Thus this may not be done yet.

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Fri Apr 29, 2016, 11:29 AM

warrprayer (4,734 posts)

11. Abu Ghraib

Crucify a few low level personnel and CYA, the objective was still achieved.

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