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The 6% and 3% in those polls are dolts (IMO) rpannier Apr 2016 #1
You're being kind Renew Deal Apr 2016 #4
Especially in states where there's a contested US Senate race Funtatlaguy Apr 2016 #60
Rasmussen is an outlier edhopper Apr 2016 #2
Yes, Rasmussen tends to be. LiberalFighter Apr 2016 #11
How? It shows him with far less GOP support and a lot more "stay home" votes 7962 Apr 2016 #18
psssssh rtracey Apr 2016 #27
Well, I guess he DOES have a chance, but I'd say its hers to lose 7962 Apr 2016 #78
76% turnout would be outstanding Renew Deal Apr 2016 #3
These numbers do not represent 'turnout'. The U.S. always at 52-54% turnout. ViseGrip Apr 2016 #8
I could be wrong but, I don't think a Clinton/Trump race will generate enough excitement to produce Hiraeth Apr 2016 #12
It would not approach the 50% mark by a long shot. I hope people would turn out for at LiberalArkie Apr 2016 #29
and god forbid if the weather is bad that day. Hiraeth Apr 2016 #34
I have yet to figure out how her supporters can say that the kids who stand in line for hours LiberalArkie Apr 2016 #48
what a view he had from that mountain top. wish we all could see it, too Hiraeth Apr 2016 #54
Right. They are saying that voter turnout will be 24% below what would otherwise be expected. thesquanderer Apr 2016 #42
yes, but Hiraeth Apr 2016 #44
Because that's not how math works Perogie Apr 2016 #58
I left out a step but, I bet my 30% will be closer than the 41%. interesting. Hiraeth Apr 2016 #62
Maybe, but your 30% figure is a gut feeling, the poll data supports a figure of 41%. thesquanderer Apr 2016 #114
Math thesquanderer Apr 2016 #71
Please refer to my reply above #62 in this thread. Thank you. eom Hiraeth Apr 2016 #76
The Dems near the top of my GE ballot are likely... HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #88
abysmally low, I fear. Hiraeth Apr 2016 #89
I expect many voters will crawl over broken glass to keep Trump out of the White House. emulatorloo Apr 2016 #115
Then this poll is noise Renew Deal Apr 2016 #17
^this^ and +1000 Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #52
They are saying that there would be a 76% turnout among what would otherwise be likely voters. thesquanderer Apr 2016 #25
The poll sounds like garbage Renew Deal Apr 2016 #75
if trump gets elected your world will go as bad as it will for all...so I hope the ego and pride beachbum bob Apr 2016 #5
and the supreme court ruling that installed george w. moron* had nothing to do with it, right? Javaman Apr 2016 #15
Nothing to worry about. zeemike Apr 2016 #20
Some will REFUSE to stay home!! Herman4747 Apr 2016 #6
And those people would be unwise Renew Deal Apr 2016 #19
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #39
I hope you don't live in NC. You would be obstructing MY work and the diverse groups blm Apr 2016 #70
Selfish Renew Deal Apr 2016 #83
You joined DU last week to push voting 3rd party? blm Apr 2016 #90
Naderite says what? redstateblues Apr 2016 #7
One more time with the facts: Kelvin Mace Apr 2016 #22
I will not vote for the Bush/Clinton/Kissinger dynasty Kelvin Mace Apr 2016 #9
+1 nt Javaman Apr 2016 #16
Right there with you. djean111 Apr 2016 #10
Good news. joshcryer Apr 2016 #13
Yeah, you keep driving home that talking point Kelvin Mace Apr 2016 #28
let me fix that for you Hiraeth Apr 2016 #40
That's not true CoffeeCat Apr 2016 #80
Ds will vote D. Rs will vote R. They have to. The other candidates is nuts don't you know. :) WhoWoodaKnew Apr 2016 #14
Unless we don't feel we've been presented with a D Kittycat Apr 2016 #49
People will vote against Trump. WhoWoodaKnew Apr 2016 #67
Yes, as will I Kittycat Apr 2016 #92
And people will vote against Hillary MissDeeds Apr 2016 #94
Some Ds will not vote for an R that only has a D wrapper on it. Gene Debs Apr 2016 #77
Which is why she needs (or even Bernie needs) a great Vice President choice LynneSin Apr 2016 #21
Don't worry, Bernie has no interest in being a VP for HRC. Elmer S. E. Dump Apr 2016 #36
And I doubt Cory or Julian will excite the American populace enough to GOTV. Hiraeth Apr 2016 #46
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #23
Yes it is. nt Cali_Democrat Apr 2016 #31
Thank you for joining DU to tell us you won't vote for Dem candidate in Nov. blm Apr 2016 #24
Don't worry, if your candidate is not sanctioned by the DNC zalinda Apr 2016 #91
You must have meant that reply for another post. Mine was about GOTV blm Apr 2016 #98
What matters most is apparently more would abandon Trump than Clinton. n/t PoliticAverse Apr 2016 #26
Those that don't vote, don't have the right to complain about what they get liberal N proud Apr 2016 #30
Then give us a candidate that we can vote for. zalinda Apr 2016 #95
NOT an excuse! liberal N proud Apr 2016 #102
Rasmussen Reports, really. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #32
Someone who can't choose between Hillary and Trump Progressive dog Apr 2016 #33
Does that include Hillary's super pac ads? Also, what $ should be added for positive MSM coverage? floppyboo Apr 2016 #38
I know. Trump's been getting BILLIONs of dollars worth of coverage that I've never witnessed blm Apr 2016 #59
It's pretty sick, the TrumpTV MSM - you can almost feel them salivating... blech floppyboo Apr 2016 #69
I don't know how much Bernie's positive MSM coverage Progressive dog Apr 2016 #61
I was comparing networks' excessive coverage of Trump to what HRC and Sanders blm Apr 2016 #66
It is well known, any attention is better than no attention at all. eom zalinda Apr 2016 #97
Bernie didn't have "big money". It came from us, the poor voters. Elmer S. E. Dump Apr 2016 #47
Money is fungible, Progressive dog Apr 2016 #81
What does that have to do with anything. He spent money on his campaign. So? Elmer S. E. Dump Apr 2016 #93
If money spent on campaigns buys votes, Progressive dog Apr 2016 #99
Trump is to the left of Hillary zalinda Apr 2016 #100
Horsepoo. Trump raged just last night he intends to be MORE fierce militarily. blm Apr 2016 #106
Since when is war, fracking and Wall Street progressive? Kittycat Apr 2016 #53
So you have a list of simple Progressive dog Apr 2016 #86
I clicked on the link, but only found the polls Clinton +7.3, Sanders +15.2 but no breakdown floppyboo Apr 2016 #35
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #43
thanks! floppyboo Apr 2016 #45
poop. you have to have a platinum membership with Rasmussen. anyone? floppyboo Apr 2016 #56
I understand how liberals feel, I feel the same.. mountain grammy Apr 2016 #37
I will vote and especially for the down ticket because I like jwirr Apr 2016 #110
If you liked Dubya, you'll love Donnie Vogon_Glory Apr 2016 #41
Post removed Post removed Apr 2016 #51
Oh the protests of the allegedly pure-at-heart Vogon_Glory Apr 2016 #73
I DID NOT PUT AN ALERT ON THE POST I RESPONDED TO Vogon_Glory Apr 2016 #82
I'm a Sanders voter and I am also a Sanders voter who works GOTV for Dems, blm Apr 2016 #101
Post removed Post removed Apr 2016 #57
Trump is promising FIERCER military confrontations. You're putting your FAITH in his blm Apr 2016 #63
Yes, I am brilliant. Thank you! Elmer S. E. Dump Apr 2016 #68
+1 - and don't forget his agitating of Mexico JustAnotherGen Apr 2016 #72
Sell that fable to the DREAMERS Vogon_Glory Apr 2016 #79
I'm not selling anything. Elmer S. E. Dump Apr 2016 #84
Trump is neither liberal nor conservative Boomer Apr 2016 #104
Both parties have lost enough members over the last thirty years they barely represent half raindaddy Apr 2016 #50
Uh-oh. Apathy and Bernie supporters staying away are the only ways we lose. underpants Apr 2016 #55
Bad decisions on one persons part... peace13 Apr 2016 #65
Post removed Post removed Apr 2016 #87
A Non vote is still a vote JustAnotherGen Apr 2016 #64
In the end... Aviation Pro Apr 2016 #74
In 2008, both candidates were cut from the same cloth zalinda Apr 2016 #105
I'm not concerned one bit ... LannyDeVaney Apr 2016 #85
Why would you waste your beautiful mind on something like that. eom zalinda Apr 2016 #107
I have seen this type of rhetoric in every election for the past forty years. Laser102 Apr 2016 #96
But, this time it will be decisive. One more reason to hope the lineup changes on our side. leveymg Apr 2016 #103
Scott Walker was elected in 2010 Jimbo S Apr 2016 #108
Why did you join DU? leftofcool Apr 2016 #109
Trump will lose to a woman Chico Man Apr 2016 #111
So many folks abdicating one of their most important rights Blue_Adept Apr 2016 #112
And there was no difference between Bush and Gore! liberalgunwilltravel Apr 2016 #113

rpannier

(24,304 posts)
1. The 6% and 3% in those polls are dolts (IMO)
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:16 AM
Apr 2016

In many states there are propositions, local elections: school boards, mayoral races, city councils/village boards, etc
Vote for a 3rd party, don't vote for the Presidential candidate, but do vote for the rest of it

Renew Deal

(81,802 posts)
4. You're being kind
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:18 AM
Apr 2016

Funtatlaguy

(10,856 posts)
60. Especially in states where there's a contested US Senate race
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:08 AM
Apr 2016

A Dem Senate means a confirmed 5th Justice for us.

edhopper

(33,208 posts)
2. Rasmussen is an outlier
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:16 AM
Apr 2016

LiberalFighter

(50,504 posts)
11. Yes, Rasmussen tends to be.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:36 AM
Apr 2016

Also, in this case, Rasmussen is propping up Trump to make it look like he has a chance.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
18. How? It shows him with far less GOP support and a lot more "stay home" votes
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:40 AM
Apr 2016

it looks to me like he has NO chance.

 

rtracey

(2,062 posts)
27. psssssh
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:46 AM
Apr 2016

NEVER SAY NO CHANCE....thats when you look like an idiot...trust me, Trump never had a chance to win the nomination....hmmmm it was going to be JEB JEB JEB..... yeah right....

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
78. Well, I guess he DOES have a chance, but I'd say its hers to lose
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:26 AM
Apr 2016

And I was telling people in the summer it wasnt going to be Jeb; Bush fatigue

Renew Deal

(81,802 posts)
3. 76% turnout would be outstanding
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:17 AM
Apr 2016
 

ViseGrip

(3,133 posts)
8. These numbers do not represent 'turnout'. The U.S. always at 52-54% turnout.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:25 AM
Apr 2016

That is why those numbers for Clinton are so damning for a GE. And to boot she is tied, already.

Calamity I tell you!


GO BERNIE, AND MAKE 'THE CASE'!

Hiraeth

(4,805 posts)
12. I could be wrong but, I don't think a Clinton/Trump race will generate enough excitement to produce
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:36 AM
Apr 2016

a 52% - 54% voter turnout.

LiberalArkie

(15,686 posts)
29. It would not approach the 50% mark by a long shot. I hope people would turn out for at
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:46 AM
Apr 2016

least the local races, but they don't. If the voters have to bring Maalox or Tums to be able to vote, they just won't take the time to do it.

Hiraeth

(4,805 posts)
34. and god forbid if the weather is bad that day.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:49 AM
Apr 2016

LiberalArkie

(15,686 posts)
48. I have yet to figure out how her supporters can say that the kids who stand in line for hours
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:01 AM
Apr 2016

in rain and snow to hear him talk and to see him will not turn out to vote for him.

I sit back at night and wonder what kind of nation we would have if we had free and fair elections. MLK must have seen it when he went to the mountain top.

Hiraeth

(4,805 posts)
54. what a view he had from that mountain top. wish we all could see it, too
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:05 AM
Apr 2016

thesquanderer

(11,955 posts)
42. Right. They are saying that voter turnout will be 24% below what would otherwise be expected.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:54 AM
Apr 2016

So if typical turnout is 54%, they would expect it to be about 41% for this particular matchup.

The idea of record low turnout is not shocking, when you're putting up two candidates who both have unfavorables over 50%.

Also see post #25.

Hiraeth

(4,805 posts)
44. yes, but
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:55 AM
Apr 2016

54 - 24 = 30 ....

so I don't understand the 41

Perogie

(687 posts)
58. Because that's not how math works
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:07 AM
Apr 2016

It's 24% less than 54% that vote

So 24% of 54 is about 13%

54% - 13% = 41%

Hiraeth

(4,805 posts)
62. I left out a step but, I bet my 30% will be closer than the 41%. interesting.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:12 AM
Apr 2016

thesquanderer

(11,955 posts)
114. Maybe, but your 30% figure is a gut feeling, the poll data supports a figure of 41%.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 11:31 AM
Apr 2016

Of course, a lot can happen between now and November, too. The poll is based only on what people are saying today.

thesquanderer

(11,955 posts)
71. Math
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:21 AM
Apr 2016

We are assuming that 54% of eligible voters are actually "likely voters."

If 24% of the 54% (who are likely voters) don't vote, it means that 76% of them do vote.

How do we figure out what 76% of likely voters comes to? That is, how do we calculate 76% of 54%?

Multiply 54 times .76.

54 * .76 = 41

Hiraeth

(4,805 posts)
76. Please refer to my reply above #62 in this thread. Thank you. eom
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:24 AM
Apr 2016
 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
88. The Dems near the top of my GE ballot are likely...
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:44 AM
Apr 2016

...to be former Republicans for POTUS, US Senate, and Representative. Yep, turnout will be low.

Hiraeth

(4,805 posts)
89. abysmally low, I fear.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:47 AM
Apr 2016


emulatorloo

(43,982 posts)
115. I expect many voters will crawl over broken glass to keep Trump out of the White House.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 11:33 AM
Apr 2016

Cruz as well. Trump's a fascist, Cruz is a theocrat.

I could be wrong, but both of them are 2016's version of Sarah Palin.

Renew Deal

(81,802 posts)
17. Then this poll is noise
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:39 AM
Apr 2016

Besides that, Rasmussen polls are always republican heavy until the last minute. I think Rasmussen is the only pollster giving Obama a negative rating right now.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
52. ^this^ and +1000
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:04 AM
Apr 2016

thesquanderer

(11,955 posts)
25. They are saying that there would be a 76% turnout among what would otherwise be likely voters.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:44 AM
Apr 2016

So turnout would be 24% lower than what would normally have been expected.

(If you read the link, you will see that this was not a poll among all registered voters, but rather, one among likely voters, which I believe is based mostly or entirely on who has voted in presidential elections in the past. I don't know how they account for voters who have only recently become old enough to vote... but as neither Trump nor Sanders has extraordinarily high youth appeal, that factor might not alter the stats much anyway.)

Renew Deal

(81,802 posts)
75. The poll sounds like garbage
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:23 AM
Apr 2016

Especially coming from Rasmussen

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
5. if trump gets elected your world will go as bad as it will for all...so I hope the ego and pride
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:18 AM
Apr 2016

can find solace in the fact as they contribute to the problem....same attitude of Nader voters in 2000 who gave america 8 years of GWB/Cheney....luckily this time around it won't happen

Javaman

(62,442 posts)
15. and the supreme court ruling that installed george w. moron* had nothing to do with it, right?
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:38 AM
Apr 2016

I didn't vote nader than, I voted for Al. but Al also ran a really shitty campaign that didn't help anyone least of all himself.

so blame nader all you want, I choose to go with the facts.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
20. Nothing to worry about.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:40 AM
Apr 2016

The powers that be have already decided who they want for president and whoever that is will win by hook or by crook.
And the only race that matters is the Dem nominee...and they got that covered.

And we little people are just bit players in the show.

 

Herman4747

(1,825 posts)
6. Some will REFUSE to stay home!!
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:20 AM
Apr 2016

They will instead vote for Dr. Jill Stein of the Green Party.

Renew Deal

(81,802 posts)
19. And those people would be unwise
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:40 AM
Apr 2016

Response to Herman4747 (Reply #6)

blm

(112,920 posts)
70. I hope you don't live in NC. You would be obstructing MY work and the diverse groups
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:20 AM
Apr 2016

working together on GOTV efforts to overturn GOP governor and legislature and the US Supreme Court justices who have been making many lives in this state as miserable as possible.

Renew Deal

(81,802 posts)
83. Selfish
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:38 AM
Apr 2016

blm

(112,920 posts)
90. You joined DU last week to push voting 3rd party?
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:47 AM
Apr 2016

Did you read Terms of Service before you joined?

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
7. Naderite says what?
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:22 AM
Apr 2016
 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
22. One more time with the facts:
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:42 AM
Apr 2016

Gore won the election. If you have a problem with why he wasn't president, talk to the Scalia 5.

Over 200,000 Dems voted for Bush in Florida, twice the total number of votes Nader received. So, even if Nader hadn't run, and his votes had split in Gores favor, it wouldn't have offset the number of Dems voting for Bush.

Also, if Gore 2.0 had run (the unapologetic liberal one who championed global warming in 2003, as opposed to the centrist in 2000) he would have won hands down.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
9. I will not vote for the Bush/Clinton/Kissinger dynasty
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:33 AM
Apr 2016

I am sorry that this upsets the "pragmatists"

Javaman

(62,442 posts)
16. +1 nt
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:39 AM
Apr 2016
 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
10. Right there with you.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:33 AM
Apr 2016

New Third Way Democrats pursue money, not ideology. Money IS their ideology. Dovetails nicely with the GOP.

joshcryer

(62,265 posts)
13. Good news.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:37 AM
Apr 2016

Only the privileged opt out of political races.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
28. Yeah, you keep driving home that talking point
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:46 AM
Apr 2016

I am sure it will convince everyone to slap their forehead and change their mind.

People who no longer have any faith in the system also opt out, as do people who understand that voting for the lesser of two evils still means voting for evil.

Vote for my candidate because they suck less and are not as corrupt is not going to motivate people.

Hiraeth

(4,805 posts)
40. let me fix that for you
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:52 AM
Apr 2016

Only the privileged apathetic opt out of political races.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
80. That's not true
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:31 AM
Apr 2016

It's the poor, the disenfranchised and the broken who do not show up at elections.

It's the privileged who are always there at the polls. It's why we are in our current situation.



WhoWoodaKnew

(847 posts)
14. Ds will vote D. Rs will vote R. They have to. The other candidates is nuts don't you know. :)
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:37 AM
Apr 2016

Kittycat

(10,493 posts)
49. Unless we don't feel we've been presented with a D
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:02 AM
Apr 2016

To choose.

WhoWoodaKnew

(847 posts)
67. People will vote against Trump.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:17 AM
Apr 2016

Kittycat

(10,493 posts)
92. Yes, as will I
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:51 AM
Apr 2016

I will vote for down ballot. I will vote for candidates who haven't crossed a line too far or who have recognized that they themselves need to step back. But I will not vote for racism or war Hawks or neoliberal a that bow at the corporate trough and forget those they're elected to serve.

 

MissDeeds

(7,499 posts)
94. And people will vote against Hillary
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:52 AM
Apr 2016

It cuts both ways.

 

Gene Debs

(582 posts)
77. Some Ds will not vote for an R that only has a D wrapper on it.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:25 AM
Apr 2016

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
21. Which is why she needs (or even Bernie needs) a great Vice President choice
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:41 AM
Apr 2016

The perfect Vice President would pull many of those voters back in for the general election. If the nominee is Hillary and she picks another Joe Lieberman or John Edwards then she will be a tough sell in November. She doesn't need a Joe Biden for the ticket because she has experience and Joe was picked for Obama because Obama needed experience to balance the ticket and he already brought excitement to the ticket.

For Hillary, she needs a Julian Castro or Cory Booker. Both of these men bring excitement to the ticket. They are young, progressive democrats and they also appeal to minority voters. Castro has serious appeal to Hispanic voters and Booker was able to bring high voter turnout to his Senate special election race in New Jersey because of his popularity.

You put either of these candidates on the ticket and it's a total win.

And no, not Bernie Sanders. I adore him but I think he would be useless as a Vice President. I'd like to have a VP that could feasibly run after Clinton serves her 2 terms (or Sanders serves his 2 terms) and I think Bernie could do more good for the country fighting hard for us in the senate. If it means anything if Bernie gets the nomination I wouldn't want him to pick Hillary (I'd still go with Castro or Booker although I think he'd be considering Warren too).

 

Elmer S. E. Dump

(5,751 posts)
36. Don't worry, Bernie has no interest in being a VP for HRC.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:50 AM
Apr 2016

I think he's only running for president because his conscience couldn't allow him to idly stand by.

Hiraeth

(4,805 posts)
46. And I doubt Cory or Julian will excite the American populace enough to GOTV.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:59 AM
Apr 2016

I really don't know who rounds out the ticket for Hillary enough to draw out all the Is and Rs she will need to win.

Response to Name removed (Original post)

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
31. Yes it is. nt
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:47 AM
Apr 2016

blm

(112,920 posts)
24. Thank you for joining DU to tell us you won't vote for Dem candidate in Nov.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:42 AM
Apr 2016

because you're so much more pure than all those Dem GOTV activists working longer and harder hours in their states to overcome gerrymandering and increased voter restrictions put into law by GOP legislatures and governors.

Ya know…..We just don't get enough of those posts around here.

zalinda

(5,621 posts)
91. Don't worry, if your candidate is not sanctioned by the DNC
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:48 AM
Apr 2016

you have no chance of winning.

The party bosses decided to have Clinton the nominee come hell or high water. The fact that so many will pay the price, has never occurred to them. They want what they want, how do you suppose this country has ended up in the position it has.

Z

blm

(112,920 posts)
98. You must have meant that reply for another post. Mine was about GOTV
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:55 AM
Apr 2016

efforts of diverse groups in a swing state like NC.

For us there is only the stark reality of working longer and harder to overcome what GOP Supreme Court justices and the NCGOP have done in this state.

And the stark, very real differences between GOP and Dem parties that exist, especially in the nomination of Supreme Court justices who have had a serious effect on voting rights in this state.

That may not be of consequence to some here, but it matters GREATLY to the millions of us effected.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
26. What matters most is apparently more would abandon Trump than Clinton. n/t
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:46 AM
Apr 2016

liberal N proud

(60,302 posts)
30. Those that don't vote, don't have the right to complain about what they get
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:47 AM
Apr 2016

No excuses!

NONE! ZERO! Nothing. I will not debate with anyone who will not vote!

zalinda

(5,621 posts)
95. Then give us a candidate that we can vote for.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:52 AM
Apr 2016

If she can't close the deal, it's no one's fault but those who put her in the GE in the first place.

If I go to a car lot and the salesman can't sell me a car, then they have failed. Period. I was there, I was ready to buy. It's their fault they lost the sale.

Z

liberal N proud

(60,302 posts)
102. NOT an excuse!
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 11:02 AM
Apr 2016

If you don't like the candidates, get involved in party politics and make some changes happen. Poor analogy with the car lot crap - apples to grapefruit.

You can't sit back and say that you don't like the candidate so you will not do anything. That is not how democracy works.


I really wish voting was compulsory, then no one would be able to make that claim.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,705 posts)
32. Rasmussen Reports, really.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:48 AM
Apr 2016

Progressive dog

(6,862 posts)
33. Someone who can't choose between Hillary and Trump
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:48 AM
Apr 2016

has no claim on being a progressive.
As far as big money, Bernie spent more than Hillary by 50% in Jan-Mar. so money doesn't always win.

floppyboo

(2,461 posts)
38. Does that include Hillary's super pac ads? Also, what $ should be added for positive MSM coverage?
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:51 AM
Apr 2016

blm

(112,920 posts)
59. I know. Trump's been getting BILLIONs of dollars worth of coverage that I've never witnessed
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:07 AM
Apr 2016

in any of my 6 decades. Does he ever have a rally that corpmedia isn't giving wall to wall coverage?

News reports about HRC are usually planted smears from GOP ops commenting on all of her 'crimes' and 'investigations' and polls questioning her 'honesty'. Sanders was treated to reports about how 'young' and 'idealistic' his supporters are without giving any serious consideration of what was being said.

I doubt the corpmedia will reflect on what they are doing. They have determined Trump is a goldmine for them.

floppyboo

(2,461 posts)
69. It's pretty sick, the TrumpTV MSM - you can almost feel them salivating... blech
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:20 AM
Apr 2016

Progressive dog

(6,862 posts)
61. I don't know how much Bernie's positive MSM coverage
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:11 AM
Apr 2016

exceeded the tiny amount given Clinton was worth. The super pac spending was just reported to the FEC, so it is available to everyone who is interested.

blm

(112,920 posts)
66. I was comparing networks' excessive coverage of Trump to what HRC and Sanders
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:16 AM
Apr 2016

were given.

Wall to wall coverage versus scattered reports here and there about Dem candidates. Granted, most of the HRC stories from corpmedia were highly negative.

zalinda

(5,621 posts)
97. It is well known, any attention is better than no attention at all. eom
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:55 AM
Apr 2016
 

Elmer S. E. Dump

(5,751 posts)
47. Bernie didn't have "big money". It came from us, the poor voters.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:00 AM
Apr 2016

I sent the money for him to spend it to try to win the election. You Clinton people should worry about your own damn candidate.
Oh, and I've been a far left progressive my entire life. I really think Trump would be more of a progressive than Hillary. Yes, I do!

So you can take your judgments about people and throw them out because they are worth nothing.

Progressive dog

(6,862 posts)
81. Money is fungible,
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:35 AM
Apr 2016

and it doesn't carry a log of it's travels with it.
I do feel sorry for people who think they are progressive and would vote for Trump over Hillary. Of course, I don't believe that progressives can be far left.

 

Elmer S. E. Dump

(5,751 posts)
93. What does that have to do with anything. He spent money on his campaign. So?
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:51 AM
Apr 2016

Progressive dog

(6,862 posts)
99. If money spent on campaigns buys votes,
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:58 AM
Apr 2016

then money spent on campaigns buys votes. So since Bernie spent more, he should have had more votes. He didn't.

zalinda

(5,621 posts)
100. Trump is to the left of Hillary
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 11:00 AM
Apr 2016

in a number of issues. It matters what the voter wants and needs from the nominee. If they hate war, they will consider Trump over Hillary. If they need a job they will consider Trump over Hillary. If they hate the trade agreements, they will consider Trump over Hillary.

She has far more negatives than her supporters are willing to acknowledge. And Trump has far more positives than Hillary supporters are willing to acknowledge.

Z

blm

(112,920 posts)
106. Horsepoo. Trump raged just last night he intends to be MORE fierce militarily.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 11:12 AM
Apr 2016

He intends to employ worse forms of torture than water boarding.

He gets HIS products made in China with the 'deals' he personally made.

And when, in modern history, have Republican policies resulted in job growth greater than Dem policies?

And I am replying to you NOT as an HRC supporter, but as a Sanders VOTER - Trump does not have ANY more positives than HRC and all the propaganda in the world isn't going to make anyone with active braincells believe he does.

Kittycat

(10,493 posts)
53. Since when is war, fracking and Wall Street progressive?
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:04 AM
Apr 2016

Democratic values have really been twisted.

Progressive dog

(6,862 posts)
86. So you have a list of simple
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:43 AM
Apr 2016

single word descriptions of what you think are progressive, but I don't get how you moved to democratic values from there.

floppyboo

(2,461 posts)
35. I clicked on the link, but only found the polls Clinton +7.3, Sanders +15.2 but no breakdown
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:49 AM
Apr 2016

where did you find that? I'd like to look at the 'other' match-up

Response to floppyboo (Reply #35)

floppyboo

(2,461 posts)
45. thanks!
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:57 AM
Apr 2016

floppyboo

(2,461 posts)
56. poop. you have to have a platinum membership with Rasmussen. anyone?
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:06 AM
Apr 2016
Additional information from this survey and a full demographic breakdown are available to Platinum Members only.

mountain grammy

(26,571 posts)
37. I understand how liberals feel, I feel the same..
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:51 AM
Apr 2016

but I will vote. I will always vote, if for nothing else then to influence my state and local offices who are doing the real damage to democracy in our country. As a white woman, I've faced no roadblocks to vote. Never a problem. I'm privileged and I know it and definitely won't waste it. Too many have died for this right, and I don't mean in some foreign war, but right here in the good old US of A.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
110. I will vote and especially for the down ticket because I like
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 11:15 AM
Apr 2016

you am a grammy. I vote for them and with the young. But unless Bernie somehow wins this thing I do not see much to base my vote for president on. They are all three beginning to sound alike. But only one has been saying the same thing for 40 years.

The other two have been swinging around like a merry go round that cannot stop. In the back of my head when I think of voting for Hillary is always the question "Does she mean it?"

Vogon_Glory

(9,086 posts)
41. If you liked Dubya, you'll love Donnie
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 09:52 AM
Apr 2016

i have no respect for the idea that voting for Hillary is the same as voting for someone who'd make Dubya look moderate.

This country cannot afford another Republican in charge--witness the Iraq invasion and what happened to New Orleans as examples.

These Hillary equals Trump posts remind me of the sloppy thinking and lizard-brain thinking of their right-wing counter-parts.

Response to Vogon_Glory (Reply #41)

Vogon_Glory

(9,086 posts)
73. Oh the protests of the allegedly pure-at-heart
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:22 AM
Apr 2016

I admit it. I'm jaundiced. Whenever I read one of these "purity" posts written by people who say they'll never vote for the leading candidate my first impulse is to check their profile, date of joining, and wonder if they're working for Roger Stone and the Trump campaign.

Hillary Clinton is far from perfect, but she's far better than the avatar for racism, sexism, and military adventurism currently leading the Republican pack.

You may call me a DNC dupe; but I think of your sort as the RNC's "useful idiots," as foolish as the Republican moderates still voting for their party's extremist candidates thinking that they might be lucky and get thrown a bone.

Vogon_Glory

(9,086 posts)
82. I DID NOT PUT AN ALERT ON THE POST I RESPONDED TO
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:37 AM
Apr 2016

I just want to make that clear. It's not that I'm a nice guy, but I usually prefer my arguments to have contexts.

blm

(112,920 posts)
101. I'm a Sanders voter and I am also a Sanders voter who works GOTV for Dems,
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 11:02 AM
Apr 2016

because, when you live in a swing state like NC there is no fantasy one can entertain that there is no difference between the parties. We are stuck LIVING with how much damage the GOP can do when it reverses decades of progress and gains made by the Dem leaders they replaced.

The RandPaul supporting 'no difference' crowd can go fvck themselves…….gently…..with a chainsaw.

Response to Vogon_Glory (Reply #41)

blm

(112,920 posts)
63. Trump is promising FIERCER military confrontations. You're putting your FAITH in his
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:13 AM
Apr 2016

statements where he contradicts himself.

Brilliant decision.

 

Elmer S. E. Dump

(5,751 posts)
68. Yes, I am brilliant. Thank you!
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:19 AM
Apr 2016

JustAnotherGen

(31,683 posts)
72. +1 - and don't forget his agitating of Mexico
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:21 AM
Apr 2016

Vogon_Glory

(9,086 posts)
79. Sell that fable to the DREAMERS
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:29 AM
Apr 2016

Sell that fable to the DREAMERS, maybe they'll buy it

I don't.


-------

And the big question for those of us Hillary-supporting cynics for the day is if Roger Stone pays his cyber-minions by the piece or for quality?

 

Elmer S. E. Dump

(5,751 posts)
84. I'm not selling anything.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:39 AM
Apr 2016

Boomer

(4,159 posts)
104. Trump is neither liberal nor conservative
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 11:07 AM
Apr 2016

He's emotionally disturbed. He has a classic case of Narcissistic Personality Disorder. That alone renders him unfit for any position of leadership.

He doesn't have policy positions, he has ego-driven needs for attention. He will say anything at any given moment to get attention and feed his ego. What he said 5 minutes ago is irrelevant to that need.

What appalls me the most about the success of the Trump campaign is that there are so many people in this country who are oblivious to his disability and mistake his delusional self-aggrandizement for strength of mind and purpose. Now THAT is scary.

raindaddy

(1,370 posts)
50. Both parties have lost enough members over the last thirty years they barely represent half
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:03 AM
Apr 2016

the public, offering up two candidates that are neither trusted or well liked by the general public...

If dwindling membership and a relatively unknown Independent Socialist in his 70's giving a Dem party icon a run for her money doesn't provoke some genuine internal soul searching searching then I'm afraid the Democratic party is heading over the same cliff the Republicans have already gone over...

underpants

(182,279 posts)
55. Uh-oh. Apathy and Bernie supporters staying away are the only ways we lose.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:05 AM
Apr 2016

This is not good news.

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
65. Bad decisions on one persons part...
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:16 AM
Apr 2016

...should not mandate a bad decision on anothers. This is all look part of looking at the facts and making decisions. All if this is really out of order anyway. We don't know what the choices will be until after June.

Response to underpants (Reply #55)

JustAnotherGen

(31,683 posts)
64. A Non vote is still a vote
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:15 AM
Apr 2016


Trump: 66 percent of GOP voters would vote for him, 10 percent would vote for Clinton

Clinton: 75 percent of Democrats would support her, 11 percent would vote for Trump. Clinton is starting out with more registered Democratic Party members - so she only drops down to 74%.

Pivot To:

I find the Republican Party "true hearts" far more interesting. That shows a high level of disgust amongst people who generally do what they are told and who are spoon fed what to believe by Fox, Breitbart, etc. etc.

Could that many really be thinking for themselves? 10% crossing over? 16% third party? 5% out of total disgust just sitting home?

What have they done wrong over there?

Who would that 31% have preferred?

It's obvious where the 25% who just hate Clinton's guts would prefer Sanders or a ham sandwich - but with that WIDE huge field on the right - 1st string and 2nd string debates back in the late Fall and early Winter -

Who was it they had hoped would stay in the race? They had plenty of people to choose from. Why couldn't they get it together?

Aviation Pro

(12,053 posts)
74. In the end...
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:22 AM
Apr 2016

...just as in 2008, the parties will unify and this 24% figure from a poll taken in the Spring will be nothing more than a fart in a thunderstorm.

zalinda

(5,621 posts)
105. In 2008, both candidates were cut from the same cloth
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 11:10 AM
Apr 2016

you only had to choose what design you wanted. That is the only reason people came together.

This is not 2008. One candidate is made from denim and the other candidate is made from taffeta, they are not interchangeable fabrics.

Z

 

LannyDeVaney

(1,033 posts)
85. I'm not concerned one bit ...
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:40 AM
Apr 2016

Sec. Clinton will win the GE in a landslide. Heck, 2012 was very nearly a landslide and '16 will top that. I am most definitely not worrying my little head about it. Stay home on election day if you want to, it won't matter. Plenty of us WILL be voting that day, and we'll be voting for Hillary Clinton. The United States of America's first female President. I cannot wait!

zalinda

(5,621 posts)
107. Why would you waste your beautiful mind on something like that. eom
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 11:13 AM
Apr 2016

Laser102

(816 posts)
96. I have seen this type of rhetoric in every election for the past forty years.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 10:52 AM
Apr 2016

You want to vote in the Democratic primaries, become a democrat. If not form your own party of independents. Do the work Democrats have had to do and stop complaining about us. Close your primaries so we can't get in and screw you over. Better than kvetching. Do something.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
103. But, this time it will be decisive. One more reason to hope the lineup changes on our side.
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 11:04 AM
Apr 2016

Jimbo S

(2,955 posts)
108. Scott Walker was elected in 2010
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 11:13 AM
Apr 2016

because too many Dems wouldn't vote for them Dem candidate. Neither did I, I wrote-in another Dem. Shame on me.

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
109. Why did you join DU?
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 11:15 AM
Apr 2016

Chico Man

(3,001 posts)
111. Trump will lose to a woman
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 11:17 AM
Apr 2016

I'm sure it will be the first time he feels like he has "lost" to a woman in his life. It will be sweet.

As much as Romney thought he would beat Obama, Trump's own delusions of grandeur go far beyond.

Blue_Adept

(6,384 posts)
112. So many folks abdicating one of their most important rights
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 11:28 AM
Apr 2016

It's surely making all the right people smile.

113. And there was no difference between Bush and Gore!
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 11:30 AM
Apr 2016

I am sure that Trump and Clinton would nominate the same "quality" of people to the Supreme Court. Right.

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