Sandusky accuser: I screamed in vain from basement

[Omaha Steve]

Source: AP-Excite

By MARK SCOLFORO and GENARO C. ARMAS

BELLEFONTE, Pa. (AP) - The prosecution's case in Jerry Sandusky's sex abuse trial neared its conclusion on Thursday after just four days of testimony, with three more accusers taking the witness stand, including a young man who said the former Penn State assistant football coach raped him as a teen guest in Sandusky's home.

The eighth accuser to testify told jurors the abuse began with fondling and forced oral sex and led to several instances of rape in the basement of Sandusky's Centre County home, where he spent more than 100 nights and where his muffled screams went unanswered by Sandusky's wife, Dottie, who was upstairs. He said he figured the basement must be soundproof.

"He got real aggressive and just forced me into it," said the young man, now 18 and a recent high school graduate. "And I just went with it - there was no fighting against it."

He said under cross-examination by Sandusky lawyer Joe Amendola that the attacks sometimes left him bleeding but that he never sought medical attention.

Read more: http://apnews.excite.com/article/20120614/D9VD75S02.html

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Former Penn State University assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky arrives for the fourth day of his trial at the Centre County Courthouse in Bellefonte, Pa., Thursday, June 14, 2012. Sandusky faces 52 counts of child sex-abuse involving 10 boys over a 15-year span. (AP Photo/Centre Daily Times, Nabil K. Mark)

[bluestateguy]

1. He can make this all stop by just pleading guilty and accepting responsibility

By going ahead with this trial he is worsening his victims pain.

[freshwest]

4. If he didn't care about it when he did the crimes, why care now? And he thinks he'll get off, since

He got away with it all these years. It wasn't that big a secret. He felt he was entitled and no one or nothing could stop him or bring him to justice. I doubt he is the least bit worried about any of this. And he's already transferred his wealth to his wife and family and none of them will suffer. They seem to have all lived in a bubble, like Bush, Cheney, Rush and Beck. No accountability.

I won't believe he'll do time until he is remanded to prison. And I don't want him abused there, either. It's too late for him to learn anything.

He may get away by the defense saying he's crazy, too. Siegelman rots in jail, Delay runs free. I don't expect much.

This isn't directed at your post singly, it's just how I feel about the whole thing. I don't believe he cares about these guys' feelings, that is something you or I may feel, but not him.

[OnyxCollie]

9. Tom DeLay's in prison.

He was convicted November 24, 2010.

[freshwest]

10. This has been discussed at length on several other threads. Others brought up

Evidence that he was convicted, but never remanded to custody. He was also sentenced but released for his appeal.

I followed this closely with other Texans, including one who contacted the TDOC to see where he was held, which is a matter of public record and they said they did not have him on the records. There was anger after the sentencing as he was not sent to prison...

If you have a link that shows when he was put in prison, I'll be glad to retract my post and will inform the others that he is indeed in prison. Please put it here.

[OnyxCollie]

12. Sonuvabitch.

Well, that's a pisser.

My first post at DU was on a thread announcing his indictment, nearly seven years ago.

[freshwest]

15. And just think, he was never charged for what he did in 2000.

[OnyxCollie]

17. What was that? nt

[freshwest]

21. You weren't following his actions in D.C., sending house aides to FL?

It's a long story is a part of the reason that DU and other websites were formed. Any search you do on Delay, Bush vs. Gore, Palm Beach, etc. might give you some information.

Better yet, just start a thread about the coup of 2000 and ask what Delay's role in the thing was. You'll get a lot of information just here on DU.

[OnyxCollie]

22. Oh, the Brooks Brothers riot.

It's late and I've already had a bottle of Bell's Two-Hearted Ale and a bottle of Founder's Centennial IPA, so thing's are gettin' kinda fuzzy right now.

[TBF]

26. It doesn't take much searching to find out DeLay

was convicted but is still free pending appeal. He is not in jail.

[OnyxCollie]

37. Yeah, well I missed that.

Must've been sick that day.

[TBF]

44. "Searching" means type into Google -

doesn't take much effort. But whatever ...

[OnyxCollie]

45. Had I suspected that he was not serving his time,

I could have searched for Tom+DeLay+appeal in Google.

However, I thought he was serving his time, so spare me your fucking snark.

[lookingfortruth]

50. What does FREAKIN TOM DELAY have to do with a scum like Sandusky?

[OnyxCollie]

52. Very little.

Which should be apparent if following the thread, yet you felt compelled to ask.

[Tx4obama]

13. As of January 11, 2011, Delay is out on bail pending his appeal

Article here: http://austin.ynn.com/content/top_stories/276018/delay-out-on-bail--pending-appeal

[freshwest]

14. DeGuerin has always been one of the best attorneys in Texas for high-profile clients.

Someone is paying him well for keeping Tom running wild and fancy free. When I read people gloating about his trial and conviction, I said 'Wait! It's not over yet.'

Sure enough, there were manuevers and the man is still out there. It's been a big disappointment to me. Thanks, Tx4Obama, for the newer link.

[Mira]

6. A little late for him

to start worrying about his victim's pain, don't you think?

[Blue_Tires]

31. Please--He's probably getting aroused hearing these stories re-told...

[XemaSab]

2. I said as much yesterday and I will say it today

that guy has a death wish.

[Initech]

11. I really think he wanted to get caught.

And here's why - there's *MOUNDS* of evidence dating back a decade that has Sandusky guilty - Penn State took away his keys, his wife was oblivious to the fact that he was abusing kids in his own fucking home. In 1998 there was recommendations from state-licensed psychiatrists that said that he should be put on trial. Who knows how far back this goes - and are there others that were afraid to come forward? And what has made me draw this conclusion - his attorney is just as big of a sleazebag as he is! The guy fathered a kid with a girl who was 18, and he was 50!! That's not the guy you want representing you in an abuse trial!

[freshwest]

16. I never get this 'wanted to be caught' notion.

If he wanted to get caught, he could have turned himself in. That's 'getting caught.'

I don't see your 'why' as explaining that, although you discuss what was going on around him. The fact his attorney was or is a 'sleazebag' doesn't affect Sandusky's free will to turn himself in.

No attorney could have talked a man who wanted to pay for his crimes from turning himself in. He wasn't in locked in a mental ward somewhere, so he had freedom of movement and the ability to do that if he wanted.

Can you explain this better to me? Because I don't understand your reasoning here.

[JI7]

25. i agree, it's more of a case of him getting away with it for so long with so much

that he doesn't think he would actually be held responsible. he probably still can't see himself being convicted .

[TBF]

27. I worked with a prison psychologist years ago

at a part-time job on the weekends.

His assessment was that no one ever thinks they are going to get caught or they wouldn't do it. He also said they always have reasons for why they do it. They may not be very good reasons, and they may get caught very quickly, but that is how their minds work. Very interesting stuff. He didn't like the abuse in prison either, he thought it should be a safe place.

[Blue_Tires]

32. I don't think so...

It's a common phenomenon among criminals that have been successfully getting away with a crime for so long, and/or are in a position of power that makes them "untouchable", because it's word-against-word...

Sooner or later, they all get sloppy and flagrant...

[shanti]

39. there's no way in hell

that anyone can convince me that dottie sandusky didn't know what was really going on. good god.

[Initech]

41. That's the whole part of this thing that I don't get.

How could Mrs. Sandusky be so oblivious to the fact that there were kids being abused in her own fucking basement?? And how could she not hear the screams???

[davsand]

42. My thoughts exactly.

I remain convinced she knew and chose not to do anything. How do you not notice your husband chasing after young boys in your own house? Not to put too fine of a point on it, but who did the laundry in that house? Wouldn't you notice that the sheets in the kids' guest room were exhibiting stains not typical of a young boy's bed, but rather, more typical of sexual activity? It might be a gross thought, but it is just simple biological reality.

If there really is a hell like Dante conjured, I'd be amazed if this entire crew of "adults" doesn't end up there.



Laura

[MightyOkie]

23. Think of the Colonel in Boogie Nights

Jail scene.

[lookingfortruth]

35. Never saw the movie but I can only imagine.

[Boxcar Willie]

29. Do you think rape is proper punishment

for anything?
Do you think prison rape should be administered to any inmate?
Who exactly should be raping Sandusky? A murderer? An other rapist?

I hope Sandusky spends rest of his life in prison. He should not be subjected to prison rape.

[lookingfortruth]

33. Prisoners think child rapists are the lowest of the low! They would kill Sandusky and I may be

barbaric in my view point but Sandusky deserves to be tortured and hurt like he hurt those boys.

[Comrade Grumpy]

43. Yes, you're right, that is barbaric.

[lookingfortruth]

47. When It comes to "People" like Sandusky I am barbaric and HAVE NO SHAME ABOUT IT!

[Trajan]

48. So you would shove objects into Jerry Sandusky's rectum yourself ? ....

You would essentially rape Jerry Sandusky in order to punish him ?

Where does that leave you ? ..... Have you not also committed the act of rape ?

As abhorrent as these evil deeds by Sandusky are, you might want to consider the moral implications of committing horrible acts against other human beings, even if THEY commit horrible acts ... Even Jerry Sandusky

If you did such a thing, little would separate you from him, other than your righteous moral outrage .... Somewhere along the way, somebody needs to STOP committing horrible acts against human beings ....

Let's put him in prison, and try to maintain a minimum level of personal integrity for ourselves, if possible ...

[lookingfortruth]

51. HEY THIS BASTARD TOO SOMETHING THAT NEVER SHOULD BE TAKEN A CHILD"S INNOCENCE!

AND DON"T YOU DARE LECTURE ME> I WAS A VICTIM OF RAPE MYSELF AND YEAH I WOULD WANT MY RAPIST TO KNOW THE PAIN MISERY AND SUFFERING HE PUT ME TRHOUGH! SANDUSKY IS THE LOWEST OF THE LOW THE ONLY WAY FOR THIS ASS TO BEGIN TO UNDERSTAND THE PAIN HE HAS CAUSED IS TO SUFFER IT!

THE PRISON POPULATION WILL MAKE THIS BASTARD SUFFER THAN KILL HIM AND THE GUARDS WILL TURN A BLIND EYE.

[Trajan]

53. You call it 'lecturing' ..

But this is really just an education ...

Let's say he killed your grandma .... Would you kill his grandma ?

If he raped your daughter, would you rape his daughter ? ....

This eye for an eye thing is a real loser ....

My whole point is this: You are apparently open to performing immoral acts in response to immoral acts .... You EMBRACE immorality in your self righteous tirade, apparently unwilling to admit that you would become what you profess to hate ...

Most of us here would be unwilling to accept prison rape as a morally acceptable punishment ... Even for an asshole like Sandusky ....

Perhaps you are in the wrong forum .....

Have a good evening ....

[lookingfortruth]

54. YOU are entitled to YOUR opinion just as I am ENTITLED to MINE

[Mira]

5. I look forward to the day

they lock that ugly criminal up and throw away the key.
I'm so angry.

[dkf]

7. I can't believe Sandusky gave us that crap about horsing around.

Unbelievable. There is something definitely wrong with him.

[crunch60]

18. He's a Pedophile, they like babies, children or very young teens. They are the

lowest of the low, injuring/destroying many lives. They don't stop or ever lose that desire. Not wired like the rest of us.

[jonthebru]

8. I knew when it all came out, it would be painful.

Little did I know what a terrific childhood I had. That this human (insert word here) stayed out of prison for so long is a testimony to the power of professional college sports.

[southerncrone]

19. There's something seriously wrong w/this guy!

He smiles at inappropriate times..... Life's all unicorns & rainbows.....

To make the comments he makes, as if this is all just fun & games, shows he is not in touch w/reality.
I believe the same thing happened to him at that pivotal age & it traumatized him so badly he is stuck there. He CAN'T grow up.
Not saying this excuses his behavior, just saying he is an adolescent in an adult body.
Also agree w/others here that Penn State & the football fraternity protected him for yrs! They should all be on trial, too!
The fact that the DA from the 1998 investigation up & simply disappears out of the blue, never to be heard from again, has stink all over it, too. There is probably much more being covered up at Penn State IMHO.

[Blue_Tires]

34. The real scary part is how many more of his victims are out there

unwilling or unable to come forward...

[southerncrone]

55. So true.

[Auntie Bush]

38. "He smiles at inappropriate times." You mean just like Romney? lol

[shanti]

40. i'm also of the belief

that he was molested at a tender age too, probably pre-pubescent. his own father ran a gym, with showers. he had to have learned it from somewhere.

not that it excuses this monster at all! he is truly fucked up.

[enough]

28. There's a powerful diary at dKos now, "Bearing Witness," from an observer in the courtroom.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/06/15/1100158/-Tree-Climbers-Bearing-Witness-The-Trial-of-Jerry-Sandusky-Day-4

A detailed narrative of what happened in the courtroom yesterday, including the the testimony mentioned in the OP. Painful, but very much worth reading. The bravery of the victims who are testifying is remarkable.

[xxqqqzme]

49. Amazing diary

Leaves me completely dumbfounded. Very, very disturbing.

[Odin2005]

30. I have no words.

[lunatica]

36. Ugly

Everyone associated with him must feel sullied beyond repair now. I feel sorry for his family too.

I hope the young men who testified against him find healing for their bravery. I know they've kept their secrets feeling shame for all these years. Whether they realize it or not putting it into words is cathartic and is a step in the being able to overcome the shame. It also helps profoundly to know that they didn't cause this to happen when it also happened to others. I'm sure he told all of them that they 'made' him do it because they were irresistibly seductive.

[yurbud]

56. people in sports programs like that are very hierarchical, and monomanical

so until society really brought the hammer down on Sandusky and those who enabled him, most probably felt nothing at all.

If they gave it any thought at all, they probably figured he deserved to do what he wanted, like a medieval lord taking prima nocte from some peasant bride.