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seafan

(9,387 posts)
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 11:03 AM Jun 2016

Judge orders Obama administration to release new Clinton emails

Source: The Hill

A federal judge has ordered the Obama administration to release new emails connected to Hillary Clinton before Democratic convention in July.

In an order late on Wednesday, Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson told the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) to hand over to the Republican National Committee (RNC) whatever records it could as part of an RNC’s open records lawsuit on July 11.

.....

The RNC sued the aid agency in March, seeking two sets of communications: those between USAID officials and key former aides at the State Department, as well as those between USAID and private domain names associated with Hillary Clinton, former President Bill Clinton and others including the Clinton Foundation. The effort appeared to be investigating allegations that the former secretary of State’s family foundation had undue influence on USAID.

.....

Before the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia, USAID has claimed that it has discovered approximately 3,300 pages of records that it might be able to hand over to the Republican Party organization. But roughly 2,600 of those reportedly need to be cleared with the State Department before they can be released.

Read more: http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/281973-new-clinton-emails-due-out-in-days-before-convention



This is not good for her prospects.

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Judge orders Obama administration to release new Clinton emails (Original Post) seafan Jun 2016 OP
How so? flamingdem Jun 2016 #1
There was a very loose movement of Hillary staffers between State and the Foundation. BillZBubb Jun 2016 #4
"a very loose movement of Hillary staffers:" yeah, they could be literally shitting themselves now thereismore Jun 2016 #15
Ooops! I didn't mean it that way!!! BillZBubb Jun 2016 #24
Oh, yes you did.... pangaia Jun 2016 #127
lol Vattel Jun 2016 #98
. merrily Jun 2016 #172
Who gives a shit about the nature of other's bowel movements? L. Coyote Jun 2016 #184
"... to hand over to the Republican National Committee" puffy socks Jun 2016 #37
Do we really want a general election in which the Republicans constantly sling mud JDPriestly Jun 2016 #80
Theyre going to do it anyway...in fact most of the garbage about puffy socks Jun 2016 #94
Please Don't lie about Bernie to make your points askeptic Jun 2016 #99
Stop lying for Bernie puffy socks Jun 2016 #103
Oh- so he HAS released tax returns - just not to your liking askeptic Jun 2016 #109
so where are the tax returns? puffy socks Jun 2016 #135
So where are the transcripts? dorkzilla Jun 2016 #140
stop derailing the conversation here. grasswire Jun 2016 #165
Clinton's made 27 Million $$$$ in 2014, Sanders made 200 Thousand. Of COURSE Clinton will have more newthinking Jun 2016 #157
Look at your own link. It says he released them April 15th ... 12 days after he said he would do so. ebayfool Jun 2016 #169
He wasn't released everything. Chicago1980 Jun 2016 #104
Wrong. The FULL return was released April 15th ... 12 days after he said he would do so. ebayfool Jun 2016 #168
Speech transcripts aren't normally released... Chicago1980 Jun 2016 #191
Get over it... Chicago1980 Jun 2016 #101
^^^^^^ This times 10 ^^^^^ laserhaas Jun 2016 #108
This is the second time in two days ... NanceGreggs Jun 2016 #133
What percentage of the delegates does Hillary need to have to be elected on the first vote JDPriestly Jun 2016 #148
The majority of them. NanceGreggs Jun 2016 #150
Slinging mud is what they do. And they'd find plenty to sling at Bernie. n/t pnwmom Jun 2016 #144
You should read Bernie's book. The title is in my signature line. JDPriestly Jun 2016 #147
Bernie has never run a national campaign. He won't know what hit him. n/t pnwmom Jun 2016 #152
Either has Hillary. What a silly meme. nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #181
Her Majesty and her DLC minions own the coming debacle eom LiberalElite Jun 2016 #163
Pay for play in State Dept (USAID is part of DOS) contracting. leveymg Jun 2016 #57
Hillary gave a special State Department post to an ex-fundraiser — even as he was ..... seafan Jun 2016 #85
The RNC is not dumb. They are going after the Foundation. BillZBubb Jun 2016 #2
Indeed. The emails are the side show. libdem4life Jun 2016 #11
Ding, ding, ding. We have a winner. Scuba Jun 2016 #38
Only if they actually find something this time which would be a surprise for cstanleytech Jun 2016 #42
The Foundation is, indeed, the smoking gun. seafan Jun 2016 #93
Thanks seafan, recommended saidsimplesimon Jun 2016 #3
This will not affect her prospects. George II Jun 2016 #5
she was already badly Berned reddread Jun 2016 #14
"Badly Berned"? 2,312 to 1,545 George II Jun 2016 #18
tuesdays coming reddread Jun 2016 #21
2,312 to 1,545 AlbertCat Jun 2016 #56
Well put. Boggles the mind...if still intact and not merged into libdem4life Jun 2016 #64
The guy has more balls than a pitching machine!!! pangaia Jun 2016 #130
And I think he still drives his own car and can sprint through the airport!! libdem4life Jun 2016 #132
His Secret Service nickname is Intrepid. nt tblue37 Jun 2016 #178
Ugh, so true. mountain grammy Jun 2016 #74
Had there been a level playing field, Bernie would have been subjected to the scrutiny Hillary has. Laser102 Jun 2016 #114
subjected to the scrutiny Hillary has. AlbertCat Jun 2016 #117
This message was self-deleted by its author cyberpj Jun 2016 #124
Mediocre is right. pangaia Jun 2016 #129
Always using the not voted for Supers in tallies. bkkyosemite Jun 2016 #66
Are they not the delegates now that the Sanders people are counting on to bail out his campaign? George II Jun 2016 #87
If the superdelegates had already voted then Bernie couldn't appeal to them. bjo59 Jun 2016 #106
In an interview with Jake Tapper a DNC official libdem4life Jun 2016 #185
No problem. She'll have a majority of the pledged delegates anyway. George II Jun 2016 #186
To paraphrase hillary greiner3 Jun 2016 #75
Going to dig into the Clinton foundatiuon Autumn Jun 2016 #6
Yes. Republicans hate anything and anyone that DURHAM D Jun 2016 #22
The disadvanted like the Clintons, their hangers on, and big money interests. BillZBubb Jun 2016 #26
We all know that for a fact don't we? That's what they do, but in this instance I think they Autumn Jun 2016 #28
if they wanted to help the poor they roguevalley Jun 2016 #70
Bernie gives only 4% to charity. SunSeeker Jun 2016 #173
Oh you mean like the people of Haiti? dorkzilla Jun 2016 #47
or fracking and the sale of fighter jets to Saudi, Arabia. Contrary1 Jun 2016 #59
The Saudis have been a US client for a long time. cheapdate Jun 2016 #162
Where did all of that Foundation money go? Apparently, not to Haiti. seafan Jun 2016 #97
Some of us waiting more patiently than others dorkzilla Jun 2016 #110
funny you should mention that reddread Jun 2016 #137
I knew the effort in Haiti NJCher Jun 2016 #175
I just heard on CNN the Clinton Foundation is one of the top charities donating 86% of money raised. Laser102 Jun 2016 #115
It is -- the "10%" number is a RW smear obamanut2012 Jun 2016 #139
Exactly Carolina Jun 2016 #81
Cover up attempts and all. merrily Jun 2016 #180
I don't get it yeoman6987 Jun 2016 #7
Wouldn't she rule from just a legal perspective, hopefully not biased, at least one would hope. RKP5637 Jun 2016 #8
Of course but this doesn't seem like a necessity yeoman6987 Jun 2016 #10
The courts are not tasked with determining 'necessity' JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #16
Rooting out possible corruption does help the country. -none Jun 2016 #36
^^ This ^^ Scuba Jun 2016 #39
Reverse the Party name and you have Republican Party logic. gordianot Jun 2016 #50
Quite true! Many had best realize they could do far worse than HRC as president. n/t RKP5637 Jun 2016 #52
but we could likewise do FAR better. nt dorkzilla Jun 2016 #63
Yes, definitely! I agree 1,000% n/t RKP5637 Jun 2016 #76
Yes it does, if it helps to get corruption out of politics dorkzilla Jun 2016 #54
++++^^^^ nt hopemountain Jun 2016 #82
Thank you pmorlan1 Jun 2016 #131
I feel like we've entered an alternate universe... dorkzilla Jun 2016 #136
It's been a real eye-opener pmorlan1 Jun 2016 #138
Not part of some...sports mentality NJCher Jun 2016 #193
Judicial decisions aren't based on what helps/hurts a political party. winter is coming Jun 2016 #67
Or shouldn't be nxylas Jun 2016 #78
Think again, recall the SCOTUS Coup 2000 decision Carolina Jun 2016 #90
wow grasswire Jun 2016 #166
The fact that laws may have been broken is a moot point to you? tularetom Jun 2016 #23
Perhaps she's actually honest? BillZBubb Jun 2016 #27
And doing her job. elleng Jun 2016 #41
She did not rule "for the Republicans." She ruled on a point of law. totodeinhere Jun 2016 #60
Would you be applauding... jmowreader Jun 2016 #118
I would have no problem with that. And Bernie has already said let it all out. n/t totodeinhere Jun 2016 #125
Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #107
As usual with any Clinton "scandal," there's no "there" there. stopbush Jun 2016 #9
telling lies used to be frowned upon reddread Jun 2016 #17
You'd think that Hillary Clinton OnyxCollie Jun 2016 #122
You'd think people would be able to see the difference between illegal activity stopbush Jun 2016 #123
"...activity that maybe broke a few in-house rules." OnyxCollie Jun 2016 #126
Wow! Just WoW! Melissa G Jun 2016 #156
So the Clinton Foundation "helped" Haitians by setting up sweatshops for "cheap labor" senz Jun 2016 #170
If you could break this up into smaller cohesive texts senz Jun 2016 #171
You would think after 25 years the Clinton's would be as transparent Cassiopeia Jun 2016 #141
Right. People who release 20 years of tax records stopbush Jun 2016 #143
Private server. Cassiopeia Jun 2016 #145
i couldn't care less. The emails are irrelevant and this is another REPUBLICAN witchhunt MariaThinks Jun 2016 #12
Bernie doesn't have a stash of 30,000 emails he tried to hide from the State Department. BillZBubb Jun 2016 #31
yes, bernie was not a sos MariaThinks Jun 2016 #44
Nor did he lie to the American people for a year about something he was required to do. BillZBubb Jun 2016 #49
no other sos has a bunch of emails they've hidden from the country - so what is your point? Schema Thing Jun 2016 #91
And the judge couldn't care less what MariaThinks... Wilms Jun 2016 #40
what a useless comment. MariaThinks Jun 2016 #45
. Wilms Jun 2016 #51
Don't know you're talking about but I found the comment to be quite entertaining. nc4bo Jun 2016 #153
Maria cares what MariaThinks, and she shares. Good work! Maria gets a gold star and a cookie! leveymg Jun 2016 #61
!!!! nc4bo Jun 2016 #154
I almost choked on my water after reading the post above. libdem4life Jun 2016 #134
Seriously? I thought there weren't no more emails to be had. For real. nt thereismore Jun 2016 #13
There are always more emails to be found. BillZBubb Jun 2016 #33
These are emails between Clinton AIdes and US AID which is under the State Department karynnj Jun 2016 #79
I read that only 10% of CF donations go to charity. Where does the 90% go? nt thereismore Jun 2016 #19
89% goes to charity. nt DURHAM D Jun 2016 #25
It's good to see. I hope the word "programming" means the same as charity. nt thereismore Jun 2016 #62
Yeah, Ann Coulter told you that Jaybird Jun 2016 #34
Drip drip drip tularetom Jun 2016 #20
Release of new emails ordered people Jun 2016 #29
Not good for Judge Jackson's prospects, either. Octafish Jun 2016 #30
Me thinks Bernie would not have a problem nominating her greiner3 Jun 2016 #77
Here's how the story will play out: Gene Debs Jun 2016 #32
We'll see. I hope Obama doesn't go down that road. His legacy is clean up until now. BillZBubb Jun 2016 #35
At the end of the day I'm not so sure he is Hillary's biggest fan. corkhead Jun 2016 #43
He shouldn't be. By not distancing himself from her, he's tarnishing his own image. BillZBubb Jun 2016 #46
he will not endorse her unless she gets hopemountain Jun 2016 #89
The problem is, he has tacitly endorsed her through the whole process. BillZBubb Jun 2016 #121
not sure about that. he may be hopemountain Jun 2016 #164
Given past history it is more likely that it will play out with cstanleytech Jun 2016 #48
Benghazi has always been bullshit. This is not. There is actually real evidence here. BillZBubb Jun 2016 #53
"There is actually real evidence here." And that is? cstanleytech Jun 2016 #68
Evidence of what? What damage was caused by Hillary's private server? kwassa Jun 2016 #71
There is prima facie evidence of crimes in the emails. That's why the FBI is investigating her. BillZBubb Jun 2016 #120
Damage is the only question. kwassa Jun 2016 #146
If you really believe that lmbradford Jun 2016 #159
Next time a cop wants to give you a speeding ticket, ask him what damage? No harm, no foul right? BillZBubb Jun 2016 #160
So they are going to give a Hillary a ticket? Wow. kwassa Jun 2016 #188
Excuse me for thinking you had an iota of intelligence. I won't make that mistake again. BillZBubb Jun 2016 #190
I have plenty of intelligence. You don't have a case of a substantive crime. kwassa Jun 2016 #192
Tired of the rightwing spin here on the Clinton Foundation? yallerdawg Jun 2016 #55
Maybe its because Andy823 Jun 2016 #100
I bellieve you are correct! yallerdawg Jun 2016 #105
Oh, gosh, I don't know. Could it be the emails indicate something criminal may have been going on? BillZBubb Jun 2016 #161
Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #58
You seem upset that people won't be able to pimp Republican agitprop geek tragedy Jun 2016 #69
yep 840high Jun 2016 #72
I hate the effing RNC JustAnotherGen Jun 2016 #65
The Clinton Foundation investigation is where the rubber meets the road. seafan Jun 2016 #73
Recommend for exposure... KoKo Jun 2016 #84
Another Big whoosh.... keylargo Jun 2016 #86
I believe you are right. trudyco Jun 2016 #88
Excellent post... lying birds of a feather Carolina Jun 2016 #92
Every time I read story like this, I feel like I need a bleach bath. nc4bo Jun 2016 #149
He really needs to be in prison. yourpaljoey Jun 2016 #176
Well that's a bummer for all of us.... Chakaconcarne Jun 2016 #83
^^^This^^^ MissDeeds Jun 2016 #95
Why would State have to clear these emails? This is a problem. morningfog Jun 2016 #96
"The RNC sued the aid agency..." is all you need to know tandot Jun 2016 #102
sued for INFORMATION. INFORMATION!!!!!! dorkzilla Jun 2016 #112
I'm not a Hillary fan, but I'm baffled by this. Lying us to get into war, torture in violation of yurbud Jun 2016 #111
So we should give her a pass because of the misdeeds of the Republicans? dorkzilla Jun 2016 #113
I would not give her a pass, but I would go after the other guys first. yurbud Jun 2016 #116
So everything should just STOP, so we can go back 8 years to get the other guys first? dorkzilla Jun 2016 #119
Despite appearances, the other guys still control the government. nt OnyxCollie Jun 2016 #128
the statute of limitations has passed. grasswire Jun 2016 #167
...which is why we keep turning over Nazi war criminal after 70 years? yurbud Jun 2016 #189
Our side always is held to a higher standard because we expect a higher ALBliberal Jun 2016 #142
+1. nt bemildred Jun 2016 #179
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jun 2016 #151
Just curious, did the RNC/GOP/Bush/Cheney Admin release USAID communications 2banon Jun 2016 #155
Who is ready for Hillary? jillan Jun 2016 #158
I'm ready. She'll be a great President. SunSeeker Jun 2016 #174
The Federal Prison System yourpaljoey Jun 2016 #177
Can't they go on strike like the Senate Supreme Court Dodgers? bucolic_frolic Jun 2016 #182
The judge's wikipedia page Babel_17 Jun 2016 #183
Nothing to fear FlaGranny Jun 2016 #187

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
4. There was a very loose movement of Hillary staffers between State and the Foundation.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 11:11 AM
Jun 2016

There is, in the other Clinton emails, an indication that State business and Foundation business were linked. In other words, big donations to the Foundation or dealings with Bill seemed to be associated with favorable action at the State Department.

These new emails can give a timeline on who was doing what and when.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
184. Who gives a shit about the nature of other's bowel movements?
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 10:26 AM
Jun 2016

Republicans, of course! Gotta keep an eye on all the shit, ya know!

 

puffy socks

(1,473 posts)
37. "... to hand over to the Republican National Committee"
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 11:39 AM
Jun 2016

and has zip to do with any FBI investigation and everything to do with republicans editing for ammo for political mud slinging in the ge.


But I expect those who are hopeful for the indictment fairy to come along are probably slobbering all over this non story.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
80. Do we really want a general election in which the Republicans constantly sling mud
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 01:18 PM
Jun 2016

at Hillary?

It looks like that is where we are going.

You say it yourself.

But is there a way to avoid that kind of general election?

Yes. There is.

Nominate Bernie Sanders instead.

Bernie will for many reasons be our best candidate.

That the Republicans will less successfully sling mud at him because he has made fewer muddy messes in his life from which to pick up mud to sling at him is one of them.

Nominate Bernie and the Republicans' collection of mud to sling at Hillary will be of very little value to them.

 

puffy socks

(1,473 posts)
94. Theyre going to do it anyway...in fact most of the garbage about
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 01:42 PM
Jun 2016

Hillary on this site is rw baloney.

Bernie isnt the nominee. he's lost

carry on with the "not until the convention" meme

Bernie cant be held up to the tiniest scrutiny, as proven by his unwillingness to release his taxes or talk about his past.

askeptic

(478 posts)
99. Please Don't lie about Bernie to make your points
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 02:07 PM
Jun 2016

He HAS released his taxes. The National Review tried to take him to task for it. So where were you?

From the National Review (a right-wing rag)
by JIM GERAGHTY April 18, 2016 1:52 PM Bernie Sanders released his 2014 tax return this weekend, revealing that he and his wife took $60,208 in deductions from their taxable income. These deductions are all perfectly legal and permitted under the U.S. tax code

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/434194/bernie-sanders-tax-returns-reveal-hypocrisy

 

puffy socks

(1,473 posts)
103. Stop lying for Bernie
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 02:21 PM
Jun 2016

The national review is a right wing rag. The GOP wants Bernie to win he's an easy win for the GOP. Literally all they have to do is show America Bernie's past.


"You released the summary page of your 2014 tax returns. Hillary Clinton has posted on her website the last eight years of her personal returns, all of the returns. Before the New York primary, will you match her? Will you post your full returns for the last eight years?"




And Sanders’ shortcomings are actually bigger than the screenshot above would suggest. The 2014 filings Sanders released consist of just the first two summary pages of his Form 1040 and the equivalent summary pages from his home-state Vermont tax form.

Why does this matter? Unlike most of the other candidates, Sanders has not released the succeeding pages -- the nitty gritty detail of things like charitable donations and other types of itemized deductions. For instance, Clinton’s release for tax year 2014 is 44 pages long, or more than 10 times the length of Sanders’ for the same year.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/apr/06/bernie-s/bernie-sanders-has-released-few-tax-returns-compar/


And then there's the fact that Weaver said yesterday on 'Hardball' that they would announce release dates before the convention.

askeptic

(478 posts)
109. Oh- so he HAS released tax returns - just not to your liking
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 02:55 PM
Jun 2016

I told YOU it was a right wing rag - you don't have to tell me back. And the video you are linking to has been pulled.

In the 1st place, some big focus on tax returns is a red herring.

Maybe you can tell us how Hillary became rich during her time in Gov't and Bernie didn't. I just can't imagine why a guy gaming the system as you insinuate hasn't become filthy rich - he's been in gov't - and a senator- way longer than Hillary.

Your insinuations make you sound like someone who can overlook all of Hillary's foibles but Sanders not giving you 'enough' tax return is a disqualifier. Comparing number of pages filed? Really? And I thought right-wingers were good at making mountains out of molehills. What a load!

An expert such as yourself could have surely found this detailed return by looking.
http://heavy.com/news/2016/04/bernie-sanders-tax-return-taxes-2014-released-net-worth-hillary-clinton-democratic-debate-refund-salary-donations/

Please don't say Bernie has not released his tax returns - that is a lie.

 

puffy socks

(1,473 posts)
135. so where are the tax returns?
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 06:38 PM
Jun 2016

Why did he lie about originally releasing them when he hadn't? was it the money Jane is receiving from the commission after Bernie voted to make the land of the poor Mexican Americans there a "sacrifice zone " for toxic waste? That's in them? or are you just going to ignore that little "foible" of Bernie's?


Why would Weaver give a date to release them if they had released his taxes as he said? 2015 taxes in THIS case.
Is Weaver lying? Is Jane lying too?
Oh yeah --now they dont matter..lmao! so honest , such integrity Bernie has


"The Sanders campaign released the return a day after a heated Democratic presidential debate in New York in which Sanders pledged to release the single return but hesitated to say when he would release additional years of his taxes."

April 15, 2016 is loooong gone. They keep saying they are having them looked at . why?
What's Bernie hiding?

Thus far Hillary's "foibles" amount to wishful thinking from Fanatical Berners and owning up to mistakes --unlike Bernard or any of his supporters wold ever have the courage to do as proven by the constant justifications for his war votes, WoD vote, etc while lambasting HC for being a war hawk and using the word "super predator" . Hypocrites.

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
140. So where are the transcripts?
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 07:14 PM
Jun 2016

And why did she lie about sniper fire in Bosnia? Or that the emails deleted were about yoga?

Funny thing is, I think if we were having a lie-pissing contest, Hillary would win by a landslide.



Not the kind of landslide you want, is it?

newthinking

(3,982 posts)
157. Clinton's made 27 Million $$$$ in 2014, Sanders made 200 Thousand. Of COURSE Clinton will have more
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 10:42 PM
Jun 2016

pages.


There is no substantial difference in the level of information exposure. The Clinton's just have more paperwork because they made MUCH more MONEY. Most of the "Detail" are summations of business income, not details.

Sanders income is mostly wages and doesn't require complexity. $156k wage, 40k SS with $5000 business income.

I sure as hell don't have as large of a tax return. Nor do I have money to pay an outfit to manage much of my business income so that I can keep it behind a corporate firewall.

Clinton's 2014 taxes

Sanders 2014 taxes

ebayfool

(3,411 posts)
169. Look at your own link. It says he released them April 15th ... 12 days after he said he would do so.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 12:56 AM
Jun 2016

Full. Not just the summary. GoodGawd! You are repeating a meme from months ago. Keep up.

snip/

"UPDATE: As he had promised, Sanders released his full 2014 tax return on April 15, 2016."



ebayfool

(3,411 posts)
168. Wrong. The FULL return was released April 15th ... 12 days after he said he would do so.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 12:50 AM
Jun 2016
https://go.berniesanders.com/page/-/Bernie%20Taxes%20Full.pdf

And looky there! NO pay for play foundations listed.


http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/apr/06/bernie-s/bernie-sanders-has-released-few-tax-returns-compar/

"UPDATE: As he had promised, Sanders released his full 2014 tax return on April 15, 2016."



So where's those speech transcripts?


Chicago1980

(1,968 posts)
191. Speech transcripts aren't normally released...
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 06:23 PM
Jun 2016

Nor have they ever been asked for before in a presidential election when it comes to those who were private citizens are the time of said speeches.

Tax returns on the other hand, while not required, are commonly provided and have been for the better part of 40 years by candidates. Multiple years are the norm for release, not just a single year. Bernie has been in elected office for 25-30 years.

Bernie has released ONE (1) year.

Jeff Weaver was on Hardball Wednesday night and Matthews was asking him why the Sanders campaign can ask for Trump's tax returns, why his candidate couldn't release his own...

Nice attempt at the changing of the subject regarding speech transcripts, but FAIR as they aren't comparable.

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
133. This is the second time in two days ...
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 06:31 PM
Jun 2016

... I've seen this meme promoted: let's ignore the MAJORITY of voters who chose HRC as the nominee, and just give Bernie the nomination he DIDN'T win because it's less "messy".

What's amusing is hearing BS supporters, who kept harping that Hillary wanted a "coronation", wanting Bernie to be "crowned" as the nominee.

If you think that the GOP wouldn't nail BS to the proverbial cross if he were in the GE, you are dreaming.

Perhaps we should have asked the Republicans who they have the least "dirt" on (real, imagined, or fabricated), and simply nominated that person.

In addition, Hillary has lived with decades of mud-slinging from the GOP, and is not only still standing - she's on her way to the White House.

Bernie, on the other hand, can't even handle interview questions he doesn't like without losing his temper - which makes him an easy mark for being made to look foolish, inept, and unqualified for the responsibilities of POTUS.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
148. What percentage of the delegates does Hillary need to have to be elected on the first vote
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 10:18 PM
Jun 2016

at the Convention?

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
150. The majority of them.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 10:24 PM
Jun 2016

Which she has.

She has the majority of the delegates, the majority of the votes, and the majority of the SDs.

Do you really think that first vote is going to go any other way than for Hillary?

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
147. You should read Bernie's book. The title is in my signature line.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 10:16 PM
Jun 2016

The more mud slung at him the better he does. That is how he has gotten elected so many times against such odds.

People think he has not been vetted. He has. over and over and over.

It's Hillary who is relatively new to running for office.

These scandals will make her run tougher than it should be.

seafan

(9,387 posts)
85. Hillary gave a special State Department post to an ex-fundraiser — even as he was .....
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 01:31 PM
Jun 2016
'Hillary gave a special State Department post to an ex-fundraiser — even as he was laying the groundwork for a global firm with ties to her husband called Teneo.'

These types of examples, of which there are many more; it's likely the reason the FBI investigation has been ongoing for more than a year.

When Clinton was Secretary of State, her right-hand aide, Huma Abedin, worked for four entities simultaneously: State Department; the Clinton Foundation; Teneo (private consulting firm tied to the Clintons); Hillary's personal office.

This new email release just ordered by a federal judge should further expose these dealings going on behind the scenes to benefit certain friends and allies of the Clintons, while her duties and responsibilities as sworn Secretary of State for our nation seemed to be less of a priority for her.
 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
11. Indeed. The emails are the side show.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 11:17 AM
Jun 2016

slap on the wrist. Their recovery has been slow but surely link mostly to the CF. The classified vagaries feed the news cycle...because are next to meaningless.

The CF not so much and leaks or public discussion not allowed. We know next to nothing about the real investigation.

seafan

(9,387 posts)
93. The Foundation is, indeed, the smoking gun.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 01:40 PM
Jun 2016

As damaging to our national security that her decisions to circumvent secured State Department servers for the entire four years of her tenure have been, it will probably not loosen her hands from the wheels of power as effectively as the hard look at the Foundation's worldwide operation and subsequent public exposure of it.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
56. 2,312 to 1,545
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 12:08 PM
Jun 2016

Even before the hugest state is counted, an unheard of who got scant media attention and navigated every effort by the DNC to sideline him is only 767 votes behind???!!!
She's been campaigning since the 20th century! She lost to an unheard of last time she tried this.

Imagine if it had been a level playing field!

Hillary, the mediocre.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
64. Well put. Boggles the mind...if still intact and not merged into
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 12:24 PM
Jun 2016

ClintonSpeak.

IMO, he wouldn't have been there because a level playing field usually involves popular party members to run a primary. I think that lasted about a week and was totally for show.

The flaw was the Coronation Mentality...or some well-placed pressure...that discouraged another establishment candidate.

Bernie ended up coming in after that was clear and felt that the true, progressive Democratic Party...the one he had caucused with for years...was not welcome. Likely some of his progressive colleagues did not discourage it.

He has not coveted the job for decades and did not feel entitled. That is clear. But he's taking the heat as if he did, anyway. He slowed down the Coronation...how dare he.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
130. The guy has more balls than a pitching machine!!!
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 06:16 PM
Jun 2016

Bring the high heat, baby, right around the chin.

GO DUDE !!!!!!!!!!

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
132. And I think he still drives his own car and can sprint through the airport!!
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 06:20 PM
Jun 2016

A pitching machine....back to those early Little League years.

Laser102

(816 posts)
114. Had there been a level playing field, Bernie would have been subjected to the scrutiny Hillary has.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 03:26 PM
Jun 2016

I've read some of the stuff about Leader in the Trotsky party, stealing electric from his neighbor, calling for death to America with the Sandinista, and on and on. The republicans or course will not bring this up.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
117. subjected to the scrutiny Hillary has.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 04:01 PM
Jun 2016

Oh please. Like anyone else has as much baggage as Hillary.

And of course you make it sound like Hillary can't win because of it.

Curious.

Response to AlbertCat (Reply #56)

bjo59

(1,166 posts)
106. If the superdelegates had already voted then Bernie couldn't appeal to them.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 02:37 PM
Jun 2016

Why is that so hard to understand?

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
185. In an interview with Jake Tapper a DNC official
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 10:54 AM
Jun 2016

said NOT to count the SD in press reports. I can see that many here missed that interview. Tapper was somewhat taken aback, but the message was clear.

Autumn

(44,984 posts)
28. We all know that for a fact don't we? That's what they do, but in this instance I think they
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 11:30 AM
Jun 2016

are looking for some quid pro quo that they believe has gone on. Hillary above all people knows that's what they do and sadly enough she gave then this can of worms to open. That's all on her.

SunSeeker

(51,516 posts)
173. Bernie gives only 4% to charity.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 02:31 AM
Jun 2016

Per his 2014 return, the only one he has disclosed, it listed $8,350 in charitable deductions on a joint income of $205,271.

seafan

(9,387 posts)
97. Where did all of that Foundation money go? Apparently, not to Haiti.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 01:57 PM
Jun 2016
The Clintons’ Haiti Screw-Up, As Told By Hillary’s Emails, Politico, September 2, 2015

Tuesday marked six years since a 7.0-magnitude earthquake devastated Haiti, killing an estimated 300,000 people. Tens of thousands of Haitians are still living in tents. Here in New York City, a group of Haitians gathered in front of the Clinton Foundation to protest former President Bill Clinton’s role as head of the Interim Haiti Recovery Commission. Activist Dahoud Andre was among them.

Dahoud Andre: "Today is the 12th of January 2016, six years after the earthquake. And for us, it was important to be in front of the Clinton Foundation, because Bill Clinton, as head of the IHRC, Interim Haiti Recovery Commission, was responsible for the $6 billion that came into his hands. He had unlimited control of this money. Six years after the earthquake, not much has changed, and as a matter of fact, Haiti is in worse condition than it was in 2010. Only Bill Clinton can tell the world what happened with this money."




Perhaps the FBI will have some information for us soon. We have been very patient, but the window of opportunity for a better direction for this country is closing rapidly.




dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
110. Some of us waiting more patiently than others
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 03:03 PM
Jun 2016

Knowing that people are still living in tents in Haiti should make any person impatient for justice and answers. I can only guess how those people must feel.

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
137. funny you should mention that
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 06:46 PM
Jun 2016

considering there must be close to a thousand people in our county, if not just this city living in tents.
That doesnt seem to bother the people making foreign policy decisions, regulatory and trade agreements.
status quo ya know?
huzzah!

NJCher

(35,622 posts)
175. I knew the effort in Haiti
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 05:59 AM
Jun 2016

Had been grossly mishandled. I did not know of clinton's role. More disturbing info.

Cher

obamanut2012

(26,047 posts)
139. It is -- the "10%" number is a RW smear
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 07:00 PM
Jun 2016

It rates higher than many, many charities, including ST. Jude's.

Carolina

(6,960 posts)
81. Exactly
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 01:22 PM
Jun 2016

the corrupt association between the private server and the shady deals conducted for the benefit of the Clinton Slush Fund (aka Foundation), all while using her position as SoS.

It's positively Nixonian

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
7. I don't get it
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 11:14 AM
Jun 2016

The judge was appointed by president Obama and even vetted for possible Supreme Court. Why would she rule for the republicans? Something is not right.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
10. Of course but this doesn't seem like a necessity
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 11:17 AM
Jun 2016

This doesn't help the country except the republicans.

gordianot

(15,234 posts)
50. Reverse the Party name and you have Republican Party logic.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 11:57 AM
Jun 2016

Attorney General Ashcroft would have been all right taking lady Justice blindfold off and covering her naked body.

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
54. Yes it does, if it helps to get corruption out of politics
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 11:58 AM
Jun 2016

Do you see why what you're saying goes against everything we've ever been taught about why the Democrats are different than the Republicans? We should not give aid and comfort to possible corruption because they have a (D) after their name. It's wrong and it is what is driving people from the party in droves.

We are supposed to be BETTER, not part of some fucked up team sports mentality.

And if you think that a judge is supposed to look away because of the team that appointed them is the one under suspicion than, with due respect, you are part of the problem.

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
136. I feel like we've entered an alternate universe...
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 06:43 PM
Jun 2016

Fracking is good! Cluster bombs are a-okay! Citizen's United is good! Openly coordinating with SuperPACs is good! Secrecy is good! Wall Street is good! Whatever my NEW AND IMPROVED position is is GOOD! (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/seth-abramson/clinton-in-2008-opposed-e_b_10245288.html)

And my favorite...."YOU JUST WANT FREE STUFF!!!!!!!!!111!!!"


pmorlan1

(2,096 posts)
138. It's been a real eye-opener
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 06:49 PM
Jun 2016

I'm with you. I keep wanting to ask - Who are you people and where are the real DU people who once posted here. I guess some people just don't care about issues and governing, they only care about winning elections. It's sad.

Carolina

(6,960 posts)
90. Think again, recall the SCOTUS Coup 2000 decision
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 01:35 PM
Jun 2016

However, in this case, I think the judge is following the law. Frankly, I will be glad if the dots are connected revealing the suspected shady deals conducted by a particular SoS using a private server to benefit the Clinton Foundation. The HRC coronation needs to sink just as it did in 2008.

The Clintons need to take their money and be gone. That all their questionably begotten wealth is not enough for them tells you all need to know. They need power, power and more power. And it sure ain't to help everyday Americans. Just look at the 2-for-1 Clinton legacy of NAFTA, the Telecommunications Act, the Crime and Welfare Deform bills, and the Gramm-Bliley-Leach act which overturned FDR's Glass-Steagall Banking Act. Then look what HRC did in the Senate and as SoS: aye votes on IWR, the Bankruptcy bill and the Patriot Acts I & II; devastating regime change in Honduras, Libya, Syria; arms deals with the Saudis that benefitted the Clinton Slush Fund (aka Foundation), worldwide promotion of fracking, and the private server to avert scrutiny of all!

As Bill said of Bush-Quayle in 1992: It's time for them to go

In 2016: It's time for Bill and Hill to go ASAP

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
27. Perhaps she's actually honest?
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 11:30 AM
Jun 2016

I know it's hard to imagine. She ruled based on the law, not her political party.

totodeinhere

(13,057 posts)
60. She did not rule "for the Republicans." She ruled on a point of law.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 12:13 PM
Jun 2016

Judges are independent and are not beholden to any political party or president just because that president nominated them. I applaud this judge for her courage.

jmowreader

(50,529 posts)
118. Would you be applauding...
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 04:09 PM
Jun 2016

...if the judge ordered People's National Bank to turn over emails between Bernie and the bank regarding a $6.7 million loan they were pressured into extending to Burlington College when Mr. Sanders' wife was the college's president?

Response to yeoman6987 (Reply #7)

stopbush

(24,393 posts)
9. As usual with any Clinton "scandal," there's no "there" there.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 11:16 AM
Jun 2016

What's important to the RW is to have the non-issue out there being treated like it is an issue by the media.

You'd think that after 25 years of epic fails, the RW would give up. You'd also think that people who are members of a place called DEMOCRATIC Underground would be a little more circumspect when it came to promoting RW smears. Guess not.

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
17. telling lies used to be frowned upon
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 11:23 AM
Jun 2016

cant quite pin down the exact moment, but David Stockman comes to mind.

 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
122. You'd think that Hillary Clinton
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 04:49 PM
Jun 2016

wouldn't copy the Bush administration/RNC by using a private server to do her official business.

You'd also think that people who are members of a place called DEMOCRATIC Underground wouldn't act like authoritarian followers when their authoritarian leader chooses secrecy over transparency. Guess not.

stopbush

(24,393 posts)
123. You'd think people would be able to see the difference between illegal activity
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 04:57 PM
Jun 2016

and activity that maybe broke a few in-house rules.

 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
126. "...activity that maybe broke a few in-house rules."
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 06:09 PM
Jun 2016

Last edited Thu Jun 2, 2016, 08:07 PM - Edit history (1)

Really? You know this how? Because it's Hillary and you LUV her? Because in your heart of hearts you know she can do no wrong?

Gullibility: It's not just for Republicans anymore.

For your edification:

Perhaps the most important modern institution in the field of group power-and it contrasts dramatically with Maitland's picture of clubs, religious associations, and charities preferring the hedge of the trust and the anonymity of unincorporated status- is the "foundation" which flourishes in contemporary America.

The foundation is largely an American creation. No doubt the accumulation of vast wealth was one reason for its rise; another-at least in the days when Carnegie, Rockefeller, and others perpetuated their names through their now world famous bequests-was unquestionably a desire of wealthy and successful men to purge their consciences before God and man and to justify the acquisitive society which had enabled them to accumulate enormous riches by leaving a vast proportion of their wealth for the benefit of mankind.6 But in recent years these reasons for the earlier foundations have become less important, and the incorporated foundation or trust has become predominantly a business device, a paramount instrument in the struggle between the demands of the modern Welfare State and the wish of the individual entrepreneur to perpetuate his fortune and his name. The greatest and most influential of the foundations (Ford, Rockefeller, Carnegie) are the creations of individuals or families, but the large foundations of the future will increasingly be the creations of corporations. The desires to give and to perpetuate the name of the individual or corporate donor are undoubtedly still important motivations, but the immense growth in the number and size of foundations in recent years7 suggests that business considerations play an increasing role. By either bequeathing or giving during his lifetime a proportion of his estate to a permanent institution established for officially recognized charitable purposes, the donor, usually the controller of an industrial or business empire,8 achieves a number of purposes.9 In the United States gifts to such organizations are exempt from gift taxes, and bequests to them are deductible for estate tax purposes. The organizations themselves are normally exempt from income tax, property tax, and other taxes. A charitable gift intervivos is an allowable deduction from the taxable income of the donor.10 The absence of the latter privilege in English law may be one reason why incorporated charities are not so widespread in Britain (apart, of course, from the vastly greater capital wealth of United States business). Otherwise, motivations for the establishment of charitable companies are very similar." The arithmetics of these benefits vary from year to year and are, of course, subject to legislative changes. Unless, however, there were to be a fundamental change in legislation in regard to charitable gifts,12 the advantages of transferring both capital and annual income away from the personal estate of a taxpayer in the high income brackets or away from a corporation are very considerable.13 But in the age of the managerial revolution and the Welfare State, a motive at least equal to that of providing a suitable mechanism for philanthropy and a tax free reservoir for an otherwise highly taxable income is the power which the foundation gives to the controller of a business or industry to perpetuate his control.14

Friedmann, W. G. (1957). Corporate power, government by private groups, and the law. Columbia Law Review, 57(2), 155-186.


The Clinton Foundation - About
http://www.clintonfoundation.org/main/our-work/by-initiative/clinton-foundation-in-haiti/about.html

The Clinton Foundation has been actively engaged in Haiti since 2009, focusing on economic diversification, private sector investment and job creation in order to create long-term, sustainable economic development. After the devastating earthquake in 2010, President Clinton formed the Clinton Foundation Haiti Fund and raised $16.4 million from individual donors for immediate earthquake relief efforts. Since 2010, the Clinton Foundation has raised a total of $34 million for Haiti, including relief funds as well as projects focused on restoring Haiti's communities, sustainable development, education and capacity building. In 2012, the Clinton Foundation concentrated on creating sustainable economic growth in the four priority sectors of energy, tourism, agriculture, and apparel/manufacturing, working to bring new investors, develop and support local organizations and businesses, and create access to new markets. The Clinton Foundation also continued working to support government efforts to improve Haiti’s business environment and supported programs in education and capacity building.


Earthquake Relief Where Haiti Wasn’t Broken
By DEBORAH SONTAG JULY 5, 2012
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/06/world/americas/earthquake-relief-where-haiti-wasnt-broken.html

CARACOL, Haiti — On the first anniversary of the Jan. 12, 2010, earthquake, in a sleepy corner of northeast Haiti far from the disaster zone, the Haitian government began the process of evicting 366 farmers from a large, fertile tract of land to clear the way for a new industrial park.

The farmers did not understand why the authorities wanted to replace productive agricultural land with factories in a rural country that had trouble feeding itself.
But, promised compensation, they did not protest a strange twist of fate that left them displaced by an earthquake that had not affected them. “We watched, voiceless,” Jean-Louis Saint Thomas, an elderly farmer, said. “The government paid us to shut us up.”

In Port-au-Prince, meanwhile, with rubble still clogging the streets, former President Bill Clinton, co-chairman of Haiti’s recovery commission, had celebrated the Caracol Industrial Park as a glimmer of hope during a ceremony cementing an agreement with the anchor tenant — Sae-A Trading, a South Korean clothing manufacturer and major supplier to American retailers like Walmart and Gap Inc.

“I know a couple places in America that would commit mayhem to get 20,000 jobs today,” Mr. Clinton said, referring to the jobs that Sae-A pledged to generate over six years. In exchange, thanks to a deal that Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton helped broker, Sae-A looked forward to tax exemptions, duty-free access to the United States, abundant cheap labor, factory sheds, a power plant, a new port and an expatriate residence outfitted with special kimchi refrigerators.


Washington Backed Famous Brand-Name Contractors in Fight Against Haiti’s Minimum Wage Increase
http://www.haiti-liberte.com/archives/volume4-47/Washington%20Backed%20Famous.asp

The U.S. Embassy in Haiti worked closely with factory owners contracted by Levi’s, Hanes, and Fruit of the Loom to aggressively block a paltry minimum wage increase for Haitian assembly zone workers, the lowest paid in the hemisphere, according to secret State Department cables.

The factory owners refused to pay 62 cents an hour, or $5 per eight-hour day, as a measure unanimously passed by the Haitian parliament in June 2009 would have mandated. Behind the scenes, the factory owners had the vigorous backing of the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) and the U.S. Embassy,
show secret U.S. Embassy cables provided to Haïti Liberté by the transparency-advocacy group WikiLeaks.

The minimum daily wage had been 70 gourdes or $1.75 a day.

The factory owners told the Haitian parliament that they were willing to give workers a mere 9 cents an hour pay increase to 31 cents an hour – 100 gourdes daily – to make T-shirts, bras and underwear for U.S. clothing giants like Dockers and Nautica.


Report: State Department-Backed Garment Complex in Haiti Stealing Workers’ Wages
http://www.democracynow.org/2013/10/17/headlines#10179

A new report by the Worker Rights Consortium has found the majority of workers in Haiti’s garment industry are being denied nearly a third of the wages they are legally owed due to widespread wage theft. The new evidence builds on an earlier report that found every single one of Haiti’s export garment factories was illegally shortchanging workers. Workers in Haiti make clothes for U.S. retailers including Gap, Target, Kohl’s, Levi’s and Wal-Mart. The report highlighted abuses at the Caracol Industrial Park, a new factory complex heavily subsidized by the U.S. State Department, the Inter-American Development Bank and the Clinton Foundation and touted as a key part of Haiti’s post-earthquake recovery. The report found that, on average, workers at the complex are paid 34 percent less than the law requires. Haiti’s minimum wage for garment workers is between 60 and 90 cents an hour. More than three-quarters of workers interviewed for the report said they could not afford three meals a day.


Clintons' Pet Project for Privatized 'Aid' to Haiti Stealing Workers' Wages: Report
https://www.commondreams.org/headline/2013/10/16-4

Haiti's Caracol Industrial Park—the U.S. State Department and Clinton Foundation pet project to deliver aid and reconstruction to earthquake-ravaged Haiti in the form of private investment—is systematically stealing its garment workers' wages, paying them 34 percent less than minimum wage set by federal law, a breaking report from the Worker Rights Consortium reveals.

Critics charge that poverty wages illustrate the deep flaws with corporate models of so-called aid. "The failure of the Caracol Industrial Park to comply with minimum wage laws is a stain on the U.S.'s post-earthquake investments in Haiti and calls into question the sustainability and effectiveness of relying on the garment industry to lead Haiti's reconstruction," said Jake Johnston of the Center for Economic and Policy Research in an interview with Common Dreams.

Caracol is just one of five garment factories profiled in this damning report, released publicly on Wednesday, which finds that "the majority of Haitian garment workers are being denied nearly a third of the wages they are legally due as a result of the factories’ theft of their income." This is due to systematic employer cheating on piece-work and overtime, as well as failure to pay employees for hours worked.
...
Financers included the Inter-American Development Bank, the U.S. State Department, and the Clinton Foundation, who invested a total of $224 million with promises to uphold high labor standards. Its anchor tenant is the Korean S&H Global factory, which sells garments to Walmart, Target, Kohl's, and Old Navy, according to the report.


Group Says Haitian Garment Workers Are Shortchanged on Pay
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/16/world/americas/group-says-haitian-garment-workers-are-shortchanged-on-pay.html?_r=1&

MEXICO CITY — Garment factories in Haiti, the backbone of an effort to revive the country’s earthquake-shattered economy, have seriously shortchanged workers of their wages to keep costs of their T-shirts and other export goods low, according to a report to be issued Wednesday by a labor rights group.
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The report, prepared by the Worker Rights Consortium, focused on 5 of Haiti’s 24 garment factories and found that “the majority of Haitian garment workers are being denied nearly a third of the wages they are legally due as a result of the factories’ theft of their income.”

The group said that the factories deprive workers of higher wages they are entitled to under law by setting difficult-to-meet production quotas and neglecting to pay overtime.

It said that offenders included the Caracol Industrial Park in northern Haiti, which the United States helped build and has cited as a centerpiece of reconstruction efforts, and factories that make products for prominent retailers like Gap, Target and Walmart.


The Clinton-Bush Fund has closed up shop in Haiti: Here are the fruits of neoliberal "charity"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022415607


In a country where the citizens are living in tents, the Clinton Foundation will give you a sweet deal on a home loan. (Low introductory APR, guaranteed not to skyrocket too soon!)

Tens of thousands still living in tents 5 years after Haiti earthquake
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/haiti/article6005817.html

“The needs are so immense,” said Odnell David, a Haitian government housing division chief with the Unit for Housing Construction and Public Buildings. “For you to address the housing problem in Haiti, you also have to address all of the other problems in Haiti — employment, investments, education. All have to run parallel.”

Rather than build houses, David said, the government has decided it’s better to create the environment to motivate people to construct their own homes. It’s a philosophy that the government is also pushing with foreign donors, who like the government, have struggled to make good on promises to build tens of thousands of new homes to get Haitians out of the tents.

“A lot of minor interventions are still being done in Port-au-Prince, where you will see that they are still building houses to give to people,” said David, noting that while such ventures are appreciated, they would not build Haiti’s struggling economy.

“What we are saying is you need the government to invest, the people to invest and the private sector to invest to be certain you will have durable development,” he said. “If you don’t have this combination, we will always remain in the same situation.”


New Program Launched to Make Home Mortgages Available to Haitians
http://philanthropynewsdigest.org/news/new-program-launched-to-make-home-mortgages-available-to-haitians

MARCH 24, 2011

The Clinton Bush Haiti Fund has announced the launch of a $47 million program to make home mortgages more widely available in Haiti.

Jointly sponsored by the Clinton Bush Haiti Fund, the Overseas Private Investment Corporation, and the Haiti Reconstruction Fund, the program will provide home mortgages and home-repair loans to low-income Haitians and small businesses affected by last year's earthquake. The Development Innovations Group will manage the program, pending approval by OPIC's board of directors in June after implementation details are finalized.

The program was approved last week by the Interim Haiti Recovery Commission, a group formed in the wake of the January 2010 earthquake to review and approve projects funded by bilateral and multilateral donors, nongovernmental organizations, and the private sector. Funded by Haiti Reconstruction Fund ($10 million), the Clinton Bush Haiti Fund ($3 million), and OPIC ($34 million in debt funding), the program is modeled after similar efforts that have proved successful in other parts of the developing world.

"What Haiti needs today are smart investments that will create economic opportunities and lay the groundwork for long-term, sustainable growth," said Clinton Bush Haiti Fund CEO Gary Edson. "By providing funding for programs such as this, we're making it possible for ordinary Haitians to own their own home as well as their own future success and prosperity."


Bill Clinton met with Colombian President Alvaro Uribe to get donations for his Foundation. (Republicans will likely ignore this bit of information, since Uribe's on the News Corporation Board of Directors.)

Uribe meets with Bill Clinton
http://colombiareports.com/uribe-meets-with-ex-us-president-bill-clinton/

Bill Clinton, ex-president of the United States and husband of the current U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, met with Colombian president Alvaro Uribe on Wednesday in search of resources for the reconstruction of Haiti.

~snip~

While his wife is on a diplomatic tour of various Latin American countries, ex-president Clinton is using the opportunity to raise money for Haiti’s reconstruction following the devastating earthquake that happened there in January of this year. The money is being raised through Clinton’s own charity, the Clinton Foundation.

Clinton will also be taking a look at various projects in Colombia that the Clinton Foundation has helped fund while visiting the country.


Some background on Uribe (What a nice guy!):

Uribe was ‘the head of Colombia’s paramilitaries’: former AUC ringleader
http://colombiareports.com/head-colombias-paramilitaries-former-auc-leader-ex-president-uribe/

Former President Alvaro Uribe was the “head of Colombia’s paramilitary groups,” according to a former paramilitary commander and witness in the case against a presidential candidate loyal to the former head of state.

The accusations were made by Pablo Hernan Sierra, alias “Alberto Guerrero”, former commander of the Cacique Pipinta bloc of the paramilitary group AUC, during an interview with Venezuelan network TeleSur.

“He was our commander,” claimed Sierra. “He never fired a gun; but he led, he contributed, he was our man at the top.”

“The massacres, the disappearances, the creation of an {AUC} group: he is responsible,” said Sierra.

The ex-paramilitary is a key witness in an investigation into Uribe’s alleged ties with paramilitary groups, especially his role in the formation of an AUC bloc while governor of Antioquia department from 1995-97, and his use of the AUC to win votes in the 2002 Presidential election.


Details of testimony that involves Uribe in a massacre
http://colombiasupport.net/2008/06/details-of-testimony-that-involves-uribe-in-a-massacre/

The ex-paramilitary Francisco Enrique Villalba Hernández declared to the Colombian Attorney General’s office this past February that President Alvaro Uribe and his brother Santiago participated in planning a massacre in the north of the department of Antioquia, according to a copy of the testimony obtained by the Nuevo Herald. Part of the confession of Villalba, whose credibility Uribe attacked this week, was utilized by the Interamerican Human Rights Court (CIDH) to condemn Colombia for that massacre, which occurred in the village of El Aro in 1997, according to an extensive decision of that tribunal two years ago. Villalba did not involve the ruler or his brother in his testimony before the CIDH, but his narrative was part of the proofs that served the tribunal to conclude that in the slaughter of El Aro agents of the public security forces collaborated with groups of the United Self-defenses of Colombia (Autodefensas Unidas de Colombia—AUC) to murder in cold blood at least fifteen campesinos “in a defenseless position, taking their goods away from others and generating terror and displacement,” according to the 160-page decision. This same decision cites a testimony to the effect that the government of the department of Antioquia, at that time led by the currently president, refused to extend protection to the inhabitants of El Aro, when they learned that the paramilitary attack was imminent. “In the face of this situation, about two months before the occupation, the Community Action Board (Junta de Acción Comunal) asked the government for protection, which was not offered,” says the decision of the CIDH.

Until now, some of aspects of the declaration of Villalba to the Colombian prosecutors were only known in an indirect and fragmentary way which where revealed surprisingly by Uribe during a radio interview this week in order to reject what the ex-paramilitary pointed out. But the Nuevo Herald obtained a complete copy of the declearation that, in fact, contains repeated testimonies of Villalba that Uribe, when he was Governor of the department of Antioquia, hobnobbed with the highest leaders of the AUC and gave them carte blanche to carry out the massacre. “{Alvaro Uribe told us} that what had to be done, that we would do it,” declared Villalba in describing a meting in which AUC leaders, military personnel and the brothers Alvaro and Santiago Uribe. Villalba’s 19-page declaration describes, using names and details a close relationship of complicity and camaraderie between military and police authorities with the heads of the death squads.


Wiretapping scandal increasingly reveals political persecution under Uribe
http://colombiareports.co/wiretapping-scandal-increasingly-reveals-political-persecution-under-uribe/

As Colombia’s Supreme Court investigates illegal spying by the country’s former intelligence agency, an increasing amount of details are revealed about the alleged political persecution of leftist opponents of former President Alvaro Uribe.

A former director of Colombian intelligence agency DAS, Jorge Noguera, is currently on trial for various charges surrounding the wiretapping scandal that has already seen multiple convictions of Uribe’s former chief of staff and a second intelligence chief.

Colombia’s now-defunct intelligence agency, the DAS, did not report to anyone but the president and had been spying on the Supreme Court, journalists, human rights defenders and politicians in a scandal that was uncovered in 2008.


US told Uribe to clean up DAS: Wikileaks.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=405x48766
US told Uribe to clean up DAS: Wikileaks.
Tuesday, 22 February 2011 11:30 Hannah Aronowitz .

WikiLeaks cables reveal that the U.S. pressured the government of then-President Alvaro Uribe to clean up the scandal-hit intelligence agency DAS in 2009, El Pais reported Tuesday.

The cables show that then-U.S. Ambassador William Brownfield told then-Vice President Fransisco Santos to toughen his government's relationship with the DAS, and ordered him to carry out a "thorough, transparent and public," investigation of the secret service agency for its part in the illegal wiretapping of government critics.

Santos acknowledged the demands, and even contemplated dissolving the DAS altogether, according to a cable sent form Bogota to Washington the day after the September 15, 2009, meeting.

While the attitude of the U.S. Embassy prior to this demand seemed limited to observing, recording and reporting back to Washington on the wiretap scandal, their stance changed when it emerged that one of the illegal recordings made was of a phone call between a U.S. Embassy official and a Colombian judge.


US embassy urged Clinton to hold back on praising Uribe during 2010 visit
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141200957
Source: Colombia Reports

US embassy urged Clinton to hold back on praising Uribe during 2010 visit
Posted by Grace Brown on Sep 7, 2015

The United States’ embassy in Bogota warned former State Secretary Hillary Clinton ahead of a 2010 visit to Colombia to “avoid effusive praise for President Alvaro Uribe” because of the latter’s implication in mayor human rights abuses.

The email, dated June 3 2010 and originating from the office of Representative Jim McGovern (D-MA), was forwarded by Ambassador William Brownfield, now Assistant Secretary of State for Narcotics Affairs and Law Enforcement, and sent to Clinton’s then-chief of staff, Cheryl Mills, prior to flying to Colombia on a state visit.


. . .

However, the email advised, this recognition should avoid “repeating the tone of Defense Secretary Gates’ April visit, in which he called Uribe a ‘great hero’ and failed even to mention any concerns.” Among those concerns were mounting accusations of mass human rights violations that happened under Uribe’s watch.

The email highlighted the possible scale of the “false positives” scandal, in which Colombia’s US-backed military murdered thousands of innocent civilians and dressed them in guerrilla clothing in order to inflate body counts and receive bonuses.

Read more: http://colombiareports.com/us-embassy-urged-clinton-to-hold-back-on-praising-uribe-during-2010-visit/


This is what Hillary Clinton had to say about Uribe (hat tip to karynnj).

SECRETARY CLINTON: President Uribe, let me begin by telling you how pleased I am to be here in Colombia for the first time. You have been so gracious in entertaining my husband and my daughter in the past. And now, I finally have completed the family visits to your beautiful country.

This is a trip I have looked forward to making for quite some time, and it is a real pleasure to see how far Colombia has come and how much Colombia is contributing not only to its own people but to those who face similar struggles beyond your borders. So thank you for your hospitality, thank you for the very comprehensive discussion that we have had together today, and for the opportunity to reaffirm the friendship and strong partnership between the United States and Colombia.

In the last decade, Colombia has confronted immense challenges. And by any fair measure, Colombia has made great progress. That is thanks to the leadership of your government and to the resilience and dedication of the Colombian people. And even with continuing challenges in your own struggle, Colombia is playing a positive and increasingly important regional role, whether it be on promoting clean energy or on relief and recovery efforts in Haiti. The United States has been proud to stand with Colombia, and we will continue to stand with you in the future.

President Uribe and I discussed Colombia’s continuing efforts in the fight against drug trafficking and organized crime. And I expressed the commitment of the Obama Administration to continuing to partner with Colombia as it works to consolidate the security gains of recent years.

We also discussed Colombia’s efforts to enhance human rights, the strides made, the challenges that remain, the ongoing need for vigilance and commitment. And I also want to publicly express our admiration for President Uribe providing a remarkable example of strong democratic leadership in respecting the constitutional court’s decision regarding another term.

Colombia is such a valued partner and a leader that we look forward to expanding and deepening our partnership. Colombia has helped to lead the way as an active member of the Energy and Climate Partnership of the Americas. Just a few examples that we look to and encourage others to do so as well: developing cutting-edge mass transit systems, exploiting the potential of biofuels, becoming a leader in the use of ethanol, spearheading an initiative to help build the infrastructure for long-distance electrical transmissions from Panama, through the Andean states, to Chile.

Colombia has also worked hard to address the historic lack of opportunity for many of its people, and in doing so has provided important models for other countries in our hemisphere. Recently, the United States and Colombia concluded the first steering committee meeting for our action plan on racial and ethnic equality, which will work to improve access to education, employment, and other opportunities for Afro-Colombian and indigenous communities.

We signed a new science and technology agreement today that will facilitate the exchange of ideas and technology to help both our countries compete in the global economy. All these and many other efforts speak to the enduring bonds of friendship and the stronger partnership for the future that we have, not just between our governments but between our peoples.

Mr. President, I speak for President Obama and myself when I say that you, personally, have been an essential partner to the United States. And because of your commitment to building strong democratic institutions here in Colombia and to nurturing the bonds of friendship between our two countries, you leave a legacy of great progress that will be viewed in historic terms. I know, though, as you said yourself in your remarks here today, you realize how much more is yet to be done.

This morning, I met with the two remaining presidential candidates. This is a choice for the Colombian people to make, but I have to say that the first round of voting was a testament to the vibrancy and strength of Colombia’s democracy. And the United States will work closely and constructively with whomever the Colombian people choose in this second round.

So thank you once again, Mr. President. And you’re right; we had a wonderful dinner last night here in Bogota among friends, some Colombian, some American. And we talked about how remarkable it was that such a common event could take place. And as I drove here to the presidential palace and had the chance to look out the window at this absolutely magnificent city, my heart was filled with the hope that I know fills the hearts of so many Colombians, that what has been accomplished will only go from strength to strength. We will stand with the people of Colombia to make that so.

Thank you so much, Mr. President. (Applause.)


Alvaro Uribe is now on the Board of Directors for Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation.

News Corp. Nominates Chao, Uribe to Board as Directors Step Down
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/print/2012-09-04/news-corp-nominates-chao-uribe-to-board-as-directors-step-down.html

News Corp. (NWSA), the media company run by billionaire Rupert Murdoch, nominated ex-Colombian President Alvaro Uribe and former U.S. Secretary of Labor Elaine Chao as directors, bolstering the board’s government experience.

Uribe and Chao will replace Andrew Knight and John Thornton, who plan to step down as directors following the annual meeting, News Corp. said today in a statement.

The changes presage a broader shakeup in News Corp.’s organization over the next year. Murdoch announced a plan in June to break up News Corp.’s publishing and entertainment divisions into separate companies. Murdoch will remain chairman of both businesses and CEO of the entertainment division.

Chao served as labor secretary under President George W. Bush from 2001 to 2009. After that, she became a distinguished fellow of the Heritage Foundation in Washington. The Harvard-educated Uribe was president of Colombia from 2002 to 2010 and more recently served on an advisory council for JPMorgan Chase & Co. (JPM), News Corp. said.


And then there's HSBC Bank:

Clinton Foundation Received Up To $81m From Clients Of Controversial HSBC Bank - Guardian
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/feb/10/hillary-clinton-foundation-donors-hsbc-swiss-bank

~snip~

The charitable foundation run by Hillary Clinton and her family has received as much as $81m from wealthy international donors who were clients of HSBC’s controversial Swiss bank. Leaked files from HSBC’s Swiss banking division reveal the identities of seven donors to the Bill, Hillary and Chelsea Clinton Foundation with accounts in Geneva.

They include Frank Giustra, a Canadian mining magnate and one of the foundation’s biggest financial backers, and Richard Caring, the British retail magnate who, the bank’s internal records show, used his tax-free Geneva account to transfer $1m into the New York-based foundation.

~snip~

Caring was legitimately permitted to keep his assets offshore by a hereditary quirk of UK tax law, under which he is registered as “non-domiciled”, courtesy of his Italian-American father. The HSBC records suggest Caring’s $1m donation was paid in return for former president Bill Clinton’s attendance at a lavish costume charity ball organised by Caring in St Petersburg, Russia.

Another Clinton foundation donor who had a HSBC account in the tax haven is Jeffrey Epstein, the hedge fund manager and convicted sex offender who once flew the former president on his private jet for charity events in Africa. The identities of Clinton supporters who banked with HSBC in Geneva are contained in internal bank data leaked by a HSBC computer expert turned whistleblower, Hervé Falciani.


HSBC. How bad is it really?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026263884

The HSBC scandal continues to grow. Proof of their criminal activities grows each time you turn over another rock. How bad is HSBC?
For those who haven’t been following, the ICIJ (International Consortium of Investigative Journalists) uncovered and reported on HSBC’s enabling of criminal behavior by arms dealers, smugglers, drug lords and the just plain cheap who don’t want to pay taxes.

HSBC, headquartered in London, when informed about the global investigation, first insisted that the ICIJ destroy its data.
It was only after the ICIJ refused and people found out what was going on that their chairman Stuart Gulliver issued the apology for HSBC’s culpability in tax avoidance.

What is HSBC hiding?
In 2006, the Swiss Branch managed tens of millions of dollars for Saudi Arabian businessmen suspected since 2001 of donating money to Muslim terrorist Osama Bin Laden,

The bank also opened accounts for a crystal meth gang in the US and a drug dealer who was sentenced to seven years in prison
HSBC was aiding clients involved in Drug and Human Trafficking, arms dealing and Arms dealing according to Tages Anzeiger.

"HSBC profited from doing business with arms dealers who channelled mortar bombs to child soldiers in Africa, bag men for Third World dictators, traffickers in blood diamonds…”

Names include Frantz Merceron, an associate of former Haitian president Jean Claude "Baby Doc" Duvalier, Former Egyptian trade minister Rachid Mohamed Rachid, who fled Cairo during the 2011 uprising, and people officially sanctioned by the United States Government, like Turkish businessman Selim Alguadis.

Currently, there are 10 separate investigations on 4 continents against the bank in nine countries: Asia: India, Europe: Belgium, Switzerland, France and Denmark, North and South America: Mexico, US, Argentina and Brazil (2 separate)

Asia: India. According to the Times of India, the Tax Office is expected launch criminal proceedings against the bank shortly.
The Indian Express reports that 1,195 Indian names are on the list at the tune of over $4bn. The Supreme Court has created a Special Investigative Team.

Several top businessmen on the list include Mukesh Ambani, Anil Ambani, Anand Chand Burman, and Shravan Gupta.
Also on the list are diamond traders, some of whom have left India and moved to other countries.
Also included are prominent politicians including former UPA minister Preneet Kaur, former Congress MP Annu Tandon and family members of former Maharashtra chief minister Narayan Rane.
India is going to pay the whistleblower from HSBC for more information; possibly as much as 10% of whatever they collect

Europe:
France. France appears to be preparing to go to trial. But a separate investigation into HSBC's parent company is ongoing

Denmark. 300 Danes are on the list the amount $370mn in accounts. Benny Engelbrecht the Tax Minister wants to know why, with information available, did his predecessors not act.

Belgium. HSBC faces criminal charges. HSBC initially refused to cooperate until Magistrate Ine Van Wymersch, announced that the investigating judge was issuing arrest warrants for past and current directors. Then HSBC decided they would cooperate.
*** See throw 'em in jail. They roll
***The judge was not identified by name in any article I perused

North America
Mexico: The government is investigating 2,642 names linked to $2.2bn

U.S.: The Justice Department is considering criminal charges against the bank and its clients. 4,183 names 13bn+ dollars

In Brazil 11 accounts held over 110 million dollars and is tied to the state-owned Oil Company, Petrobras
The Brazilian government is also looking into 6600 other undeclared accounts with HSBC's Swiss private bank affiliated in Brazil

In Argentina, the states Tax Office wants 3bn dollars held by 4,000 people in HSBC banks linked to Argentinians and Argentine businesses returned to Argentina. This, after Argentine authorities raided HSBC offices in Buenos Aires and are preparing criminal prosecution.

As of June, 2007, except for the Vatican, there doesn’t appear to be any country without a client on the list, though 15 of the countries do not appear to have any client hiding money to avoid taxes. The list of the ‘nulls’ include Laos, Burkina Faso, Tonga, Swaziland, Trinidad, etc.

There are 23 countries with the number of derelicts in their country in the thousands (UK 8,844; US 4,183; Saudi Arabia 1,504; Lebanon 2,988, Israel 6,554, Canada 1,859, France 9,187...). Their hidings are over 139bn.

on note: Even though they had the information available, the Cameron government gave the former HSBC chair Stephen Green a Tory peerage and appointed him trade minister “several months after the government was given information from the French government in May 2010”.

sourced through:
http://www.newsobserver.com/2015/02/09/4542851_belgian-judge-threatens-hsbc-directors.html?rh=1
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/02/09/us-hsbc-belgium-moneylaundering-idUSKBN0LD1HO20150209
http://www.thelocal.dk/20150209/denmark-ignored-information-on-hidden-swiss-fortunes
http://indianexpress.com/article/world/world-others/hsbc-sheltered-murky-cash-linked-to-dictators-arms-dealers/
http://www.thelocal.ch/20150208/hsbc-swiss-bank-helped-terrorists-and-criminals
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/feb/22/swiss-account-secret-of-hsbc-chief-stuart-gulliver-revealed
http://www.theguardian.com/news/2015/feb/18/hsbc-swiss-bank-searched-as-officials-launch-money-laundering-inquiry
 

senz

(11,945 posts)
170. So the Clinton Foundation "helped" Haitians by setting up sweatshops for "cheap labor"
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 01:08 AM
Jun 2016

where Haitians were paid 62 cents an hour and continued to live in tents. The beneficiaries of these sweatshops were multinational corporations.

But first they had to run hundreds of farmers off the fertile land on which the sweatshops were built.

Why would anyone who cares about human beings want to put the Clintons in the White House?

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
171. If you could break this up into smaller cohesive texts
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 01:23 AM
Jun 2016

and post them as several OPs, it might be a nice gift to DU before we all have to shut up about the Clintons. Just for the record, sort of like islands of truth in the midst of what will become a rising sea of bullshit.

Cassiopeia

(2,603 posts)
141. You would think after 25 years the Clinton's would be as transparent
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 07:20 PM
Jun 2016

As the finest glass.

Then they wouldn't be facing any of this. The fact that they are so secretive tells me they have stuff that needs hidden. Not a quality I want in a POTUS.

stopbush

(24,393 posts)
143. Right. People who release 20 years of tax records
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 08:44 PM
Jun 2016

and who have a non-profit foundation whose finances are by law open to public review aren't transparent the way Sanders and Trump are transparent about their finances.

MariaThinks

(2,495 posts)
12. i couldn't care less. The emails are irrelevant and this is another REPUBLICAN witchhunt
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 11:19 AM
Jun 2016

they do this to all our candidates and Bernie would crumble after a few months after the gop does this to him.

everyone would.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
31. Bernie doesn't have a stash of 30,000 emails he tried to hide from the State Department.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 11:32 AM
Jun 2016

And he didn't lie about it.

The FBI investigation is relevant.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
153. Don't know you're talking about but I found the comment to be quite entertaining.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 10:35 PM
Jun 2016


So def. not useless
 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
134. I almost choked on my water after reading the post above.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 06:33 PM
Jun 2016

Couldn't care less. That sums up the intellectual capacity of a whole bunch around here. In fact, who was it said, " But what does it matter? Hahahahah?"

karynnj

(59,498 posts)
79. These are emails between Clinton AIdes and US AID which is under the State Department
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 01:16 PM
Jun 2016

The emails put out were HRC's emails from her server -- and even there, the question is whether there are more that were not sent and declared private. Here, there are people like Huma Abedin who worked both for the SD and for the foundation and HRC herself simultaneously.

You can see why they chose this pond to fish in.


tularetom

(23,664 posts)
20. Drip drip drip
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 11:24 AM
Jun 2016

1. State Department Inspector General Report re: home server

2. FBI Criminal Investigation of Clinton email activity

3. Judicial Watch lawsuit

4. RNC lawsuit

A lot of rocks are going to be turned over.

And a lot of slimy things are going to crawl out.

people

(622 posts)
29. Release of new emails ordered
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 11:30 AM
Jun 2016

I assume the judge thinks that as a matter of law the Repubs are entitled to this stuff. Also, if the judge is a democrat and thinks there may be damning stuff in there it's better to get it out before the democrats nominate their candidate. Would rather know now than a week before the election. Wouldn't you? Trump is already all over this. Sounds not good to me.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
30. Not good for Judge Jackson's prospects, either.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 11:32 AM
Jun 2016

She was one of those on President Obama's "short list" for SCOTUS. Wonder what the name of the list is that she'll be on next year?

Thank you for the heads-up, seafan. Like the good judge, you also are fearless.

 

Gene Debs

(582 posts)
32. Here's how the story will play out:
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 11:35 AM
Jun 2016

Judge orders Obama administration to release new Clinton emails.
Obama administration does not release new Clinton emails.

The end.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
35. We'll see. I hope Obama doesn't go down that road. His legacy is clean up until now.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 11:38 AM
Jun 2016

The law requires they be turned over. He should never obstruct justice, whether he agrees with it or not.

Eventually, the emails will be turned over.

hopemountain

(3,919 posts)
89. he will not endorse her unless she gets
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 01:34 PM
Jun 2016

through the next 2 months to the convention and is nominated and she is not indicted.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
121. The problem is, he has tacitly endorsed her through the whole process.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 04:26 PM
Jun 2016

He made some very regrettable comments about the FBI investigation early on as well.

cstanleytech

(26,236 posts)
48. Given past history it is more likely that it will play out with
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 11:55 AM
Jun 2016

the emails eventually being released at which point the Republicans shout Benghazi!!!!!! and move on to try and get some dirt from somewhere else on her assuming they don't just make it up.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
120. There is prima facie evidence of crimes in the emails. That's why the FBI is investigating her.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 04:24 PM
Jun 2016

The "what damage" question is bullshit. We may never know what damage was caused by foreign governments knowing the contents of the communications of the US SoS in real time. The fact she had classified information on a non-secure, non authorized server is criminal. It is not necessary to show "damage".

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
146. Damage is the only question.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 09:23 PM
Jun 2016

There is no evidence of any. You have none, and no one else does.

No harm, no foul.

All else is simply partisan attack, no different than the Benghazi committee.

lmbradford

(517 posts)
159. If you really believe that
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 11:09 PM
Jun 2016

You should put your bank acct # and ss# on a private unsecure server with no password. Then place said server in a home with lots of guards, servants, office aids, and tons of people just dropping in and lots of social parties. Then if you think maybe that isn't such a great idea, you need to think about top secret agents names, informant names, top secret military ops, and the like being on that server.

The is a big deal. She did this and she did it to herself.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
160. Next time a cop wants to give you a speeding ticket, ask him what damage? No harm, no foul right?
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 11:25 PM
Jun 2016

Your Hillary Kool Aid problem is serious. If you break laws, even if no tangible damage is shown, you are still subject to penalty. This isn't a civil issue, it is a criminal issue.

As far as the emails, one area of damage is already apparent, it was a violation of the FOIA. People with a right to State Department emails were deprived of that right be Hillary's dishonesty.

As for national security, even if the intelligence community knew of damage THAT WOULD BE CLASSIFIED. Are you really so dense as to not understand that? Really?

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
188. So they are going to give a Hillary a ticket? Wow.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 11:49 AM
Jun 2016

This is a meaningless issue, as no damage occurred.

May the punishment fit the crime. Give Hillary a ticket.

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
100. Maybe its because
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 02:09 PM
Jun 2016

DU has been taken over by right wing trolls, along with our old time Obama haters who are also "anyone but Hillary" bots. They don't really give a damn about getting a Democrat in the WH. They have two goals, 1. to get as many posters as they can to stay home instead of voting in November, and 2. To use their "scorched" earth tactics on Hillary, and anyone, or thing connected to her, in order to get Hillary supporters pissed of and Bernie, and Bernie supporters pissed off at Hillary. This will help the accomplish goal number one.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
105. I bellieve you are correct!
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 02:25 PM
Jun 2016

Just look at how upset they are that when Hillary is the nominee - presumptive or otherwise - they will be barred from bashing Hillary here!

Just positively promoting Bernie or any Democrat is not in their nature!

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
161. Oh, gosh, I don't know. Could it be the emails indicate something criminal may have been going on?
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 11:28 PM
Jun 2016

Nobody would be saying much about the Foundation if there wasn't suspicious activity in the emails.

All things Clinton aren't demonized. They are simply viewed with skepticism given the Clinton's habitual lying.

Response to seafan (Original post)

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
69. You seem upset that people won't be able to pimp Republican agitprop
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 12:38 PM
Jun 2016

at a Democratic website.

You have different values than most of us. But, Free Republic will still be open for business, so don't lose hope.

seafan

(9,387 posts)
73. The Clinton Foundation investigation is where the rubber meets the road.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 12:50 PM
Jun 2016

This also explains why Terry McAuliff is breaking his neck to deny that the new FBI investigation into his campaign donations from Chinese ultra-wealthy donor Wang Wenliang has ANYTHING to do with the Clinton Foundation.

But, it has everything to do with it.



McAuliff has gone from "I'm not sure I've ever met this person" to "I didn't bring the donor in" to I didn't bring him into the Clinton Foundation" to the evidence that McAuliff invited Wenliang to Hillary Clinton's home in 2013 for a fundraiser. Not surprisingly, a donation to the Clinton Foundation followed, weeks later.

The fundraiser was one of at least three interactions between Wang and McAuliffe, according to the businessman’s representative. McAuliffe initially told reporters this week he could not remember ever meeting Wang, though he later clarified that his staff had informed him of several likely meetings. “I did no deals,” McAuliffe said Wednesday in a radio interview. “I would not know the man if he sat in the chair next to me.”


WASHINGTON — (WMAL) Virginia Governor Terry McAuliffe now says he probably met with the Chinese businessman whose $120,000 in donations to his 2013 campaign are part of an investigation by the FBI. That’s an about face from Tuesday when McAuliffe said he didn’t think he’d ever met Wang Wenliang.

“I think we probably met one or two occasions. I think, I’m not sure if he came to the inaugural. He may have come to the inaugural,” McAuliffe told reporters Wednesday.

He said Wenliang did come by once with his secretary of agriculture to talk about a deal to buy billions of dollars in Virginia soybeans. McAuliffe said that agreement was made before he took office and denied having done any business with Wenliang himself.



The investigation has also scrutinized McAuliffe’s time serving on the board of the Clinton Global Initiative. McAuliffe is a member of the Clintons’ inner circle and had several donors in common with the foundation.



In 1999, McAuliffe helped the Clintons, who had massive legal debts, purchase their new home in Chappaqua, N.Y., by guaranteeing the mortgage. The move raised ethical questions about the president’s relationship with his deep-pocketed supporters.




Getty Images, via The Hill



Oh, what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive.






trudyco

(1,258 posts)
88. I believe you are right.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 01:33 PM
Jun 2016

There is the civil suit with the RW group Judicial Watch. The same suit could have come from the left leaning CREW but the Clintons effectively stopped that by taking over the organization via Brock. So Hillbots can claim it's just a RW witch hunt per usual. That's been going on ad nauseam here at DU.

The Civil suit started an investigation by the FBI. Three that I know of by now:
1) Security Breaches by having a private server. No intent, but still liable as gross negligence. Also possibly using leaked CIA info via Sid Blumenthal instead of notifying authorities of a possible CIA leak.
2) Cover up of the emails. Lying. Tampering with email printouts. Withholding emails.
3) Clinton Foundation dealings which investigation started last fall. First they have expanded to McA possibly as a little fish to catch the big fish? Now they are expanding to USAID and an honest judge is compelling Obama to cooperate. What is the crime they are considering? RICO? Pay for Play? Both?

The Clintons look like crooks. If they are, I hope they get real punishment. Leaders should be held to a higher standard but usually get Club Fed plus house arrest. If that.

So I will be happy that IF they are crooked then they will be prosecuted, but I also wish the 9/11 commission papers get released and an investigation into that reopened. I don't think murder has a statue of limitations. Let's clean all of our house.
Oh yes, and lets investigate the vote counting.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
149. Every time I read story like this, I feel like I need a bleach bath.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 10:19 PM
Jun 2016

Real slimy stuff going on with these folks. They operate their slip and slides on top of a thin oil slick.

One day someone's gonna squeeze a bottle of Dawn on that oil slick
............... or light a match.



Chakaconcarne

(2,436 posts)
83. Well that's a bummer for all of us....
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 01:27 PM
Jun 2016

If we lose to someone like trump or are even competitive with him then shame on us for nominating her. What a fuckin mess this will turn out to be....and there will be many of us that can't or won't defend her along the way.

We are missing a golden opportunity not nominating sanders if that ends up being the case.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
96. Why would State have to clear these emails? This is a problem.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 01:52 PM
Jun 2016

3,300 pages that need to be cleared by State?!?!? If they are State-related business emails, HIllary claims to have turned all of those over already (we know that isn't 100% true). If they are personal (or personal business of the Foundation) then State has no role.

This fucking stinks. Thanks Hillary.

tandot

(6,671 posts)
102. "The RNC sued the aid agency..." is all you need to know
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 02:17 PM
Jun 2016

just another Republican witch hunt advanced with the help of Bernie-or-Bust people.

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
112. sued for INFORMATION. INFORMATION!!!!!!
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 03:09 PM
Jun 2016

and it's a GOVERNMENT agency too - like it or not the documents belong to the public and that public includes people of all different political persuasions.

FFS, do you think you'd be taking this lying down if it was the Democrats trying to get information from a public agency and the GOP were stonewalling?

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
111. I'm not a Hillary fan, but I'm baffled by this. Lying us to get into war, torture in violation of
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 03:04 PM
Jun 2016

the Geneva Convention, tanking the world economy through intentional fraud, all of that get's a pass from the Justice Department, but Hillary's email is a big fucking deal? Isn't that like pushing Ted Bundy and Jeffrey Dahmer aside to give someone a parking ticket?

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
113. So we should give her a pass because of the misdeeds of the Republicans?
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 03:14 PM
Jun 2016

"So what if I stabbed him, the other guy shot him in the head!!!!!"

You sure you want to go down that road?

As it is, it seems the defense over the email server is "COLIN POWELL DID IT TOO", which apart from not being true doesn't seem like the thing the white hats should be doing. Now we're going to take the degree of criminality into account and say "nah, we'll give them a pass".

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
119. So everything should just STOP, so we can go back 8 years to get the other guys first?
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 04:13 PM
Jun 2016

Why not continue what we're doing and start the long-overdue investigation? Show the other side how serious we are about justice.

"Just wait here, Mr. Hilter, we're going to go after the Ottoman Empire first for the Armenian genocide, and then we'll come back for you".


ALBliberal

(2,334 posts)
142. Our side always is held to a higher standard because we expect a higher
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 08:03 PM
Jun 2016

Standard. She of all people knows this. She is bright hard-working a visionary. With the capability of being a great President at a critical time. I for one do not want this email stuff to be an ongoing issue.

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
155. Just curious, did the RNC/GOP/Bush/Cheney Admin release USAID communications
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 10:38 PM
Jun 2016

to the public at their volition at anytime?

Or were law suits necessary to obtain them?

Or did anyone of any party or organization even bother to request them?

If anyone already has the answer to any these questions, that would be interesting. And before anyone suggests:

Yes I do know, google is my friend. Just asking if anyone knows off the cuff, not asking anyone to research for me.

Thanks in advance...

Note: In my opinion, I think all matters involving USAID should be a matter of public record automatically, without having to file FOIA requests, or file lawsuits to obtain that information. Taxpayers, citizens have a right to know what's being done, said, negotiated, traded in our name. IMO.






jillan

(39,451 posts)
158. Who is ready for Hillary?
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 10:49 PM
Jun 2016

The repugs can't contain themselves. They've been waiting for this moment for 20 some years and Hillary keeps giving them more presents.

bucolic_frolic

(43,062 posts)
182. Can't they go on strike like the Senate Supreme Court Dodgers?
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 10:08 AM
Jun 2016

They have to release the emails?

What's with that? Just take 6 months off and get around to it in 2017

Like Mitch McConnell would want his guys to do

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
183. The judge's wikipedia page
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 10:17 AM
Jun 2016
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketanji_Brown_Jackson

Ketanji Onyika Brown Jackson (born September 1970) is a United States District Judge of the United States District Court for the District of Columbia. In 2016, the Washington Post reported that Jackson was being vetted for the Supreme Court by President Barack Obama.


No mention of her membership in the vast right wing conspiracy, so for now I'm ruling that out.

FlaGranny

(8,361 posts)
187. Nothing to fear
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 11:26 AM
Jun 2016

if these e-mails show no wrongdoing. If people trust Hillary, then why worry about them?

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