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yurbud

(39,405 posts)
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 04:35 PM Jun 2016

Obama Excoriates Republican Obsession With The Term ‘Radical Islam’

Source: Huffington Post

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama on Tuesday forcefully rebuked Republicans who have berated him for refusing to characterize lone wolf terror attacks by Muslim individuals as acts of “radical Islam.”

Speaking from the Treasury Department two days after a Muslim man shot 49 people to death at a gay nightclub in Orlando after declaring allegiance to the self-described Islamic State group, the president challenged his detractors to identify a single tangible benefit of adjusting his choice of words to describe the attack.

“What exactly would using this label accomplish? What exactly would it change? Would it make ISIL less committed to try to kill Americans? Would it bring in more allies? Is there a military strategy that is served by this?” Obama asked rhetorically, using another name for the Islamic State.

“The answer is none of the above. Calling a threat by a different name does not make it go away.”

Read more: http://new.www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/obama-radical-islam_us_57603cdbe4b0e4fe5143dc4c



He should have called bullshit on them like this the day he was inaugurated.
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Obama Excoriates Republican Obsession With The Term ‘Radical Islam’ (Original Post) yurbud Jun 2016 OP
It's radical Islamism, in my opinion. David__77 Jun 2016 #1
Why not call them "religious or bigoted terrorists"? Wilms Jun 2016 #2
"White nationalist terrorists" would be the appropriate term ButterflyBlood Jun 2016 #15
it turns out the shooter hung out at that club, so maybe "radical closeted" might be most accurate yurbud Jun 2016 #3
Well we certainly know he went to the club to kill people. David__77 Jun 2016 #4
Well, we all know that the hatred of brown people and Muslims is so much worse 6000eliot Jun 2016 #6
I don't agree with that assessment. David__77 Jun 2016 #7
And I will file your disagreement where it belongs. 6000eliot Jun 2016 #14
So you didn't see this story about him frequenting the club & having a profile on gay dating site? yurbud Jun 2016 #13
Maybe he needs to call THEM radical Christians. ErikJ Jun 2016 #5
Are these same Republicans willing to also call Timothy McVeigh a Radical Christian Terrorist? cstanleytech Jun 2016 #8
McVeigh was not a practicing Catholic, he was an agnostic ButterflyBlood Jun 2016 #16
Yes, I am well aware he wasnt a practicing one but he was raised "as" one thus if we follow cstanleytech Jun 2016 #17
This is Obama entering the fall campaign and returning the jabs bucolic_frolic Jun 2016 #9
Didn't Hillary say just a few days ago she has no problem with the term? jalan48 Jun 2016 #10
There is a good god damn reason he does not use the term Cosmocat Jun 2016 #11
Just Watched the Speech Ccarmona Jun 2016 #12
maybe if they said, "The power of Christ compels you!" the demon of radical Islam would flee yurbud Jun 2016 #18

David__77

(23,316 posts)
1. It's radical Islamism, in my opinion.
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 05:24 PM
Jun 2016

Just like I'd call terrorism by racist groups "racist terrorist," I'd call terrorism by Islamist groups "Islamist terrorism."

 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
2. Why not call them "religious or bigoted terrorists"?
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 05:42 PM
Jun 2016

That would make more sense since you call a bunch of white guys "racial terrorists". Conversely, if you called said white guys "white terrorists", that would make your argument consistent.

ButterflyBlood

(12,644 posts)
15. "White nationalist terrorists" would be the appropriate term
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 12:18 AM
Jun 2016

That's an ideology, just as Islamism is.

Simply being white or being Muslim is not an ideology.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
3. it turns out the shooter hung out at that club, so maybe "radical closeted" might be most accurate
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 05:53 PM
Jun 2016

David__77

(23,316 posts)
4. Well we certainly know he went to the club to kill people.
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 06:12 PM
Jun 2016

I don't know if I would call that hanging out. If he went prior to that, I have no idea what might have been his motivations.

What I understand is that he went to the club and killed many people.

He also pledged his allegiance to Islamic State.

Also, his wife says that she accompanied him there as well as to an firearms and ammunition store.

6000eliot

(5,643 posts)
6. Well, we all know that the hatred of brown people and Muslims is so much worse
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 06:25 PM
Jun 2016

than the hatred of white Christians, so there's that.

David__77

(23,316 posts)
7. I don't agree with that assessment.
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 06:46 PM
Jun 2016

I'm most interested in actions, and in the propagation of ideology that supports or excuses terrorism.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
13. So you didn't see this story about him frequenting the club & having a profile on gay dating site?
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 08:57 PM
Jun 2016
Omar Mateen, the gunman who killed 49 people at Pulse nightclub in Orlando, was no stranger to the popular gay bar, according to witnesses and parties working with the FBI.

“Sometimes he would go over in the corner and sit and drink by himself, and other times he would get so drunk he was loud and belligerent,” Ty Smith, a Pulse regular, told the Orlando Sentinel.

The FBI is parsing the 29-year-old shooter’s life, looking for clues that led up to the deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history. Agents investigating Mateen told “Good Morning America” they’ve also heard accounts that he was spotted on dating apps for men, including Jack’d, Adam4Adam and Grindr.


http://new.www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/omar-mateen-pulse-regular_us_576010abe4b0e4fe5143b16b?section=

cstanleytech

(26,224 posts)
8. Are these same Republicans willing to also call Timothy McVeigh a Radical Christian Terrorist?
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 07:15 PM
Jun 2016

After all he was raised as a Roman Catholic and if stay strictly to the line of thought of the Republicans in regards to Muslims then McVeigh must be a Radical Christian Terrorist right?

ButterflyBlood

(12,644 posts)
16. McVeigh was not a practicing Catholic, he was an agnostic
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 12:19 AM
Jun 2016

His anti-government views had nothing to do with religion.

cstanleytech

(26,224 posts)
17. Yes, I am well aware he wasnt a practicing one but he was raised "as" one thus if we follow
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 12:49 AM
Jun 2016

the same "logic" as some of the people like Trump then we should call people like McVeigh or anyone else for that matter that kills alot of people be it via a bomb, gun or plane a Radical (insert name of religion they grew up with or claimed to join here) Terrorist.
The funny thing is I suspect if we started adding Christian in there that atleast some people would object but I will lay you odds alot of them that would object over that will remain as silent as a church mouse over the use of the word Islamic, Islam or any word that could potentially denigrate Muslims in there.

bucolic_frolic

(43,028 posts)
9. This is Obama entering the fall campaign and returning the jabs
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 07:16 PM
Jun 2016

to Birther Trump for his 8 years of hot air

Powerful stuff. Obama has such presence and legitimacy now.

Trump is an Old Pretender in wig and function

Cosmocat

(14,558 posts)
11. There is a good god damn reason he does not use the term
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 07:39 PM
Jun 2016

and while the majority of the idiots who loyally babble conservative jackassery don't get it, a LOT of republican leaders do, and they are the true POS they are for parroting or allowing this bullshit to be parroted.

And, the sad part is, POTUS can't call it what it REALLY is, extremist conservatives because the jackasses here would literally implode through internal human combustion.

 

Ccarmona

(1,180 posts)
12. Just Watched the Speech
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 08:18 PM
Jun 2016

At the top of Chris Hayes' program.
He spoke about "Radical Islam" and used the term itself, I expect Isis will immediately surrender like the Right inferred would happen once Obama used the term.

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