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Tue Jun 21, 2016, 03:00 PM

Michael Jackson Stockpiled Child Porn and Animal Torture Photos

Source: Huffington Post

"Police discovered Michael Jackson had a large collection of pornography, which included images of children, animal torture and gore, reportedly used in his bid to seduce young boys. The collection was revealed in newly surfaced documents obtained by RadarOnline that detail a raid on Michael Jackson’s Neverland Ranch estate in 2003, carried out as part of an investigation into child molestation charges against the singer.

According to previously unseen reports from the Santa Barbara County Sheriff’s Department, authorities seized more than 80 video recordings and computer hard drives, as well as notes, diaries, documents, photographs and audiotapes."



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Why is this in the news now?

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TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2016 OP
peace13 Jun 2016 #1
lewebley3 Jun 2016 #13
peace13 Jun 2016 #15
Ken Burch Jun 2016 #81
TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2016 #16
MFM008 Jun 2016 #31
MariaThinks Jun 2016 #35
lostnfound Jun 2016 #62
lunamagica Jun 2016 #65
lostnfound Jun 2016 #79
niyad Jun 2016 #72
GreatGazoo Jun 2016 #82
InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2016 #40
msongs Jun 2016 #2
msanthrope Jun 2016 #5
TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2016 #6
snooper2 Jun 2016 #39
msanthrope Jun 2016 #3
maxsolomon Jun 2016 #18
msanthrope Jun 2016 #20
MADem Jun 2016 #69
PatSeg Jun 2016 #19
adigal Jun 2016 #99
PatSeg Jun 2016 #102
Javaman Jun 2016 #4
msanthrope Jun 2016 #7
TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2016 #12
In_The_Wind Jun 2016 #8
TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2016 #10
In_The_Wind Jun 2016 #22
TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2016 #56
closeupready Jun 2016 #17
In_The_Wind Jun 2016 #24
TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2016 #26
christx30 Jun 2016 #86
closeupready Jun 2016 #89
muriel_volestrangler Jun 2016 #21
bluestateguy Jun 2016 #9
TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2016 #11
ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jun 2016 #23
TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2016 #25
OnlinePoker Jun 2016 #27
TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2016 #29
msanthrope Jun 2016 #14
KansDem Jun 2016 #28
Bradical79 Jun 2016 #67
DaDeacon Jun 2016 #30
TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2016 #32
closeupready Jun 2016 #33
TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2016 #34
LanternWaste Jun 2016 #50
TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2016 #52
Judi Lynn Jun 2016 #38
Wash. state Desk Jet Jun 2016 #36
Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2016 #37
BuelahWitch Jun 2016 #41
In_The_Wind Jun 2016 #45
Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #77
harun Jun 2016 #100
WhoWoodaKnew Jun 2016 #42
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vdogg Jun 2016 #44
TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2016 #48
cannabis_flower Jun 2016 #46
TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2016 #49
christx30 Jun 2016 #58
olddad56 Jun 2016 #47
Ash_F Jun 2016 #63
tonyt53 Jun 2016 #51
milestogo Jun 2016 #53
Mike Nelson Jun 2016 #54
TexasMommaWithAHat Jun 2016 #55
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niyad Jun 2016 #73
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niyad Jun 2016 #85
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Ken Burch Jun 2016 #80
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christx30 Jun 2016 #94
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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Original post)

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 03:02 PM

1. Things I never needed to know..........

 

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Response to peace13 (Reply #1)

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 03:12 PM

13. Jackson was one sick man: He should have never been near children

 

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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #13)

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 03:15 PM

15. Agree.

 

Many a parent turned a blind eye for a dollar bill. They should be in jail.

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Response to peace13 (Reply #15)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 02:53 AM

81. We can only hope at least SOME of the money went to paying for therapy sessions for those kids.

 

All of them will need to be watched carefully for the rest of their lives as a result of this.

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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #13)

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 03:16 PM

16. Even had pictures of animal torture

Ick.

I always vacillated between hurting, gentle soul and sick pervert, but if all this is true, I'm not vacillating anymore.

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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Reply #16)

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 03:52 PM

31. me 2 exactly

If this had come out at his trial, he would be in big trouble.

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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Reply #16)

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 03:55 PM

35. Very disturbing.

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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #13)

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 07:32 PM

62. He was victimized himself by a pathological society & father

Such a small child under pressure as a celebrity back before there were protections for child actors.. Stardom is perverse and evil thing to inflict on a developing small psyche.

And he is dead now.

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Response to lostnfound (Reply #62)

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 08:33 PM

65. There were dozens of children who were much bigger celebrities that he was

before there were protections for child actors. From Jackie Cooper and Shirley Temple -a true child superstar. Judy Garland dealt by hurting herself, but AFAIK never hurt anyone else.

And of course, there are children who grow up under much, much worse circumstances than being "victimized by celebrity".

There's no excuse for hurting others...none.

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Response to lunamagica (Reply #65)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 02:23 AM

79. There's no excuse for turning a child into a freak served up for entertainment either

I'm not excusing him.
But I don't excuse the shallow culture that failed to recognize the bizarre nature of its celebrity fixation and its impact on a small child.
Psychologically damaging. Some turn to suicide or drugs.
I'm not sure if what they are saying here is true, either. The man's not here to defend himself.

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Response to lostnfound (Reply #62)

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 10:22 PM

72. sorry, the original protection bill happened in 1939 as a result of what happened

to jackie coogan. the bill has been updated a number of times.

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Response to lostnfound (Reply #62)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 07:40 AM

82. That is no excuse for an adult who victimized dozens of children

Why do rich adult felons have excuses and "childhood issues" but poor people are just "criminals" ?

Jackson's behavior was enabled by the paid-off star struck parents of his victims and by his fans who refused to see the obvious (and refused to read the Vanity Fair article).

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Response to peace13 (Reply #1)

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 04:08 PM

40. Agree... MJ was sick sick sick.

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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Original post)

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 03:03 PM

2. not lbn. its not even n nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #2)

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 03:06 PM

5. Except for the fact that an awfully long time to keep details of a raid quiet. nt

 

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Response to msongs (Reply #2)

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 03:07 PM

6. It's breaking all over the media

And now there are detailed accounts of what was found.

Really, really sickening. I just don't understand why "the public" didn't have access to this before.

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Response to msongs (Reply #2)

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 04:07 PM

39. news you don't want to hear doesn't keep it from being news-

 

You ever respond to replies by the way?

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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Original post)

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 03:04 PM

3. When he died, a few posters upbraided me for pointedly non-mourning his passing.

 

Yeah, well....

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #3)

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 03:22 PM

18. i was upbraided for saying opiates made sense in Prince's death

when TMZ interviewed his fentanyl dealer.

pop stars get the benefit of the doubt. until they don't. Jackson's damaged-manchild demeanor and talent generated huge amounts of sympathy for him. hell, I still feel like he'd still be here if his family and religion hadn't F'd him up and just let him accept he was a gay man who liked twinks.

no one stepped up to defend gary glitter, though...

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #18)

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 03:27 PM

20. I think you hit the nail on the head....MJ was an adept manipulator.

 

Playing the victim, and making money off of that took true predatory instinct and intent.

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #18)

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 08:58 PM

69. I got a post hidden for expressing that view, that he had an addiction problem.

I actually got the "How DARE you..." like I was calling a saint a sinner, or sommething.

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #3)

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 03:23 PM

19. I remember his death

was news 24/7 for several days. Apparently nothing else was happening in the world. It really pissed me off at the time. Even if there weren't a lot of questions about his relationships with young children, why on earth should a pop star get that kind of media attention. I just turned the crap off.

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Response to PatSeg (Reply #19)

Thu Jun 23, 2016, 06:26 AM

99. Do you remember the Princess Diana coverage?

 

It was as if the President or Pope died.

We worship celebrity. It's sick - and while I always thought MIchael Jackson was sick yet innocent, I'm disgusted at his behavior. No excuse for harming innocent kids or animals. Bastard.

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Response to adigal (Reply #99)

Thu Jun 23, 2016, 09:59 AM

102. Yes, Princess Diana was another one

Reporting the death of a famous person with basic details is understandable, but replaying the same information and video clips all day long is lazy journalism. If people want to know more, they can buy a tell-all biography or pick up a tabloid newspaper.

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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Original post)

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 03:05 PM

4. stockpiled sounds like he was a survivalist prepper...

no, he was just a fucking creep.

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Response to Javaman (Reply #4)

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 03:08 PM

7. An adept one.....that's some serious grooming material. nt

 

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Response to Javaman (Reply #4)

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 03:11 PM

12. Other news sites are going into more detail

Really disgusting and I don't recommend reading for anyone who is squeamish.

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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Original post)

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 03:08 PM

8. Unless someone recently filed a lawsuit it isn't news.

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Response to In_The_Wind (Reply #8)

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 03:09 PM

10. It's "breaking" all over the web

Is there a reason why this new information (news?) isn't appropriate for this forum?

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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Reply #10)

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 03:34 PM

22. That was not my thoughts as a host but my thoughts regarding your question in the OP.

I don't understand why it is breaking now.

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Response to In_The_Wind (Reply #22)

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 05:20 PM

56. Ok.

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Response to In_The_Wind (Reply #8)

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 03:19 PM

17. Social media gives bored people an avenue of discussion for

 

gossiping about celebrities, and particularly about celebrities who can not defend themselves. Cheap entertainment.

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Response to closeupready (Reply #17)

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 03:38 PM

24. That's all it is but I have a problem with it if the victims are named. They've suffered too much.

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Response to In_The_Wind (Reply #24)

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 03:42 PM

26. I don't think they are named.

nt

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Response to closeupready (Reply #17)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 01:07 PM

86. Well, those things were found at his home

during a police raid. He wasn't arrested for possession of it. He didn't have a trial and go to prison like anyone else in the country would. So he doesn't need to defend himself. His money and celebrity were defense enough.
I guess no one wanted to be the one to arrest Michael Jackson for possession of child pornography.

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Response to christx30 (Reply #86)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 01:40 PM

89. Social media gossip is cheap and easy; you simply post smears anonymously,

 

even without a shred of proof, and voila, let the fun begin!

I guess facts and truth don't matter to you. Which is typical of DU's membership today, but fine. I am not going to tangle with you, but I do now see that there are plenty of others here who see what goes on in threads on DU as mere Daily-Mail-school GOSSIP, not as serious discussion. So that's a win, in my view, for fairness.

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Response to In_The_Wind (Reply #8)

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 03:30 PM

21. If this evidence was suppressed when it should have come out in his trial

then it's news. The police responsible for that may still be working, even if they haven't yet been sued.

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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Original post)

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 03:09 PM

9. So why was he never charged for that?

He was charged with child molestation in 2005, presumably after this raid when the CP was found. Why was he not charged then? Th

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Response to bluestateguy (Reply #9)

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 03:10 PM

11. What were child pornography laws like back then?

That's above my pay grade.

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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Reply #11)

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 03:37 PM

23. Same as now

Any regular person would be fucked beyond all hope.

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Response to ProudToBeBlueInRhody (Reply #23)

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 03:39 PM

25. True that.

thanks.

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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Reply #11)

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 03:44 PM

27. There was a Child Pornography Protection Act of 1996

This was struck down in 2002 by the Supreme Court on 1st amendment grounds as being too broad.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_Pornography_Prevention_Act_of_1996

It was followed up by the PROTECT Act of 2003, passed into law in April 2003 and signed by Bush on April 30th. The raid on Neverland happened in November 2003 so this act should have been in force at that time. I'm sure there must have been material that could have been applicable to this act.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PROTECT_Act_of_2003

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Response to OnlinePoker (Reply #27)

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 03:47 PM

29. Thanks! nt

nt

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Response to bluestateguy (Reply #9)

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 03:13 PM

14. Money and celebrity. nt

 

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #14)

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 03:46 PM

28. Yep...

We create gods out of fellow mortals because they and sing and dance, or throw a ball and jump high.

Never did understand why...

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Response to bluestateguy (Reply #9)

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 08:47 PM

67. Well, the books weren't considered child pornography

They were art books that weren't considered illegal. Some certainly were disturbing, but it wasn't against the law to own them. Also, I'd heard he had a tendency to buy massive amounts of books in estate sales, so I guess it would have been difficult to prove he sout these books out specifically beyond a reasonable doubt if they were illegal. Basically, the case against Jackson involved a lot of circumstantial (but not illegal) stuff that made it look like he was likely a paedophile, but there was no concrete proof of him comitting any crime.

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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Original post)

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 03:49 PM

30. Well that was BS.

If you actually bother clicking over to RadarOnline (which I don't really recommend because that was the point of this whole BS slander campaign), you'll see this in one of the top comments:

Update (June 21, 10:10 A.M.): A representative from the Santa Barbara County Sheriff’s Department gave Vanity Fair the following statement regarding the documents:

Some of the documents appear to be copies of reports that were authored by Sheriff’s Office personnel as well as evidentiary photographs taken by Sheriff’s Office personnel interspersed with content that appears to be obtained off the Internet or through unknown sources. The Sheriff’s Office did not release any of the documents and/or photographs to the media. The Sheriff’s Office released all of its reports and the photographs as part of the required discovery process to the prosecution and the defense.


So just "he said she said" !

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Response to DaDeacon (Reply #30)

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 03:52 PM

32. Many of the photographs were from titled books

so, yes, I do believe they could have been taken off the internet or copied from a book, since the books were named and the photographs were described in the report.

Is the copy of the report a fake, too? Your excerpt doesn't appear to suggest that.

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Response to DaDeacon (Reply #30)

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 03:52 PM

33. As I said, "gossip". And he can't defend himself, so cheap entertainment

 

for bored people.

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Response to closeupready (Reply #33)

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 03:54 PM

34. Hey there up on that high horse.

I happen to have a very personal reason for caring about the victims of pedophiles and pederasts, so, yeah, this story interests me, although "sickens me" would be a better choice of words.

Don't click if you're not interested.

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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Reply #34)

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 04:47 PM

50. One would think that the most common of sense

"Don't click if you're not interested..."

One would think that the most common of sense, leading me to believe the high-horse is in fact, giraffe-like in scale if not grace.

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #50)

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 04:49 PM

52. Hi!



And I agree.

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Response to closeupready (Reply #33)

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 04:06 PM

38. So true. I had "trash canned" this thread without reading it, but dug it out to see who posted it.

The news is that anyone would want to start a conversation with this.

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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Original post)

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 03:57 PM

36. it's been all over the news

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3651294/Michael-Jackson-underage-sex-collection-photos-naked-teenage-boys-male-erotica-depicting-men-children-detailed-newly-released-police-report-2003-search-Neverland-Ranch.html

Michael Jackson underage sex collection: The photos of naked teenage boys and 'all-male erotica depicting men and children' detailed in newly released police report from 2003 search of Neverland Ranch
The police report from the 2003 search of Michael Jackson's Neverland Ranch has been released
The police report claims that in Jackson's bedroom and bathroom alone there were at least seven collections of work with nude teenage boys
'He also had disgusting and downright shocking images of child torture, adult and child nudity, and sadomasochism,' said one investigator
The report states that many of the materials featuring naked men and women could be used to groom and then molest young children
He was accused of sexually assaulting Gavin Arvizo, a 13-year-old cancer survivor at the time of the alleged incidents
Jackson was acquitted in 2005 on seven felony counts of child molestation and two felony counts of providing an intoxicant to a minor

By Chris Spargo For Dailymail.com

Published: 18:12 EST, 20 June 2016 | Updated: 20:57 EST, 20 June 2016











Michael Jackson was found to have a sizable collection of pornographic material at his Neverland Ranch in 2003 according to police reports cataloging the property following a search of the residence.

Many of these books and videos are also detailed in court papers from the time, submitted after a young boy came forward claiming that he had been sexually abused and assaulted by the singer on multiple occasions.

The police report claims that in Jackson's bedroom and bathroom alone there were at least seven collections of work found by investigators that show boys in their teenage years - and in some cases younger - fully nude or partially clothed.

One of the collections, Taormina Wilhelm Von Gloeden, is described in court papers as: 'Nude photos of teenage boys from late 1800s.'

The search of the home occurred in November of that year while Jackson was in Las Vegas, with 70 members of the Santa Barbara County District Attorney's Office and Sheriff's Department turning up to the residence.

An arrest warrant had been issued at that time as well, and Jackson later turned himself into police when he returned to California.





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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Original post)

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 04:05 PM

37. I bet Limbaugh has a similar collection.

 

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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Original post)

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 04:08 PM

41. What purpose does this provide to anyone 16 years later

other than to hurt and humiliate his children? A bunch of bullshit to get clicks and ratings by continuing a decades long smear against a rich dead black man.

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Response to BuelahWitch (Reply #41)

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 04:37 PM

45. I agree with you.

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Response to In_The_Wind (Reply #45)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 01:09 AM

77. Sad indeed...

 

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Response to BuelahWitch (Reply #41)

Thu Jun 23, 2016, 08:02 AM

100. Have to agree. Not much of a fan, but people should be considered innocent until

proven guilty.

Guy lived a weird life compared to most other people, but that isn't a crime.

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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Original post)

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 04:26 PM

42. If true, that's sick.

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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Original post)

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 04:32 PM

43. Yeesh, no wonder he needed propofol to go to sleep

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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Original post)

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 04:35 PM

44. This might not be true

Update (June 21, 10:10 A.M.): A representative from the Santa Barbara County Sheriff’s Department gave Vanity Fair the following statement regarding the documents:

Some of the documents appear to be copies of reports that were authored by Sheriff’s Office personnel as well as evidentiary photographs taken by Sheriff’s Office personnel interspersed with content that appears to be obtained off the Internet or through unknown sources. The Sheriff’s Office did not release any of the documents and/or photographs to the media. The Sheriff’s Office released all of its reports and the photographs as part of the required discovery process to the prosecution and the defense.

http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2016/06/michael-jackson-police-reports-pornography-collection

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Response to vdogg (Reply #44)

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 04:42 PM

48. Read that again.

"Some of the documents appear to be copies of reports that were authored by Sheriff’s Office personnel"

They are not denying that this isn't a copy of the actual report.

And in papers filed with the court, the books with the photos were clearly titled and the pictures were described. If these are copies of the actual documents from the Sheriff's office, it would be quite easy to find the books mentioned in the documents, and copy the pictures.

I saw the photo of Jon Benet Ramsey, and recognized it from the description in the report. The photo wasn't pornographic, but it was creepy.

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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Original post)

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 04:39 PM

46. OK what I want to know?

Is if they had all this evidence from the raid, was it admitted into evidence at trial? If not why not? If so, how could the jury have found him not guilty? After the not guilty charge, why not charge him for the child porn? And why are we just hearing about this now? There are a lot of unanswered questions to this story.

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Response to cannabis_flower (Reply #46)

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 04:45 PM

49. That's what I want to know.

That question make this case disturbingly fascinating.

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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Reply #49)

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 05:44 PM

58. With enough money and celebrity, you can

pretty much get away with anything.
See Simpson, OJ.

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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Original post)

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 04:41 PM

47. Isn't he still dead? why do we care about this crap?

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Response to olddad56 (Reply #47)

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 07:33 PM

63. If his prosecution was mishandled, those responsible need to be held accountable.

That said, I'll wait for confirmation that is even true.

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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Original post)

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 04:49 PM

51. I have a sister that still doesn't believe any thing like this. He was a disgusting creature

 

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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Original post)

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 05:01 PM

53. So he had a ranch full of animals where he entertained children

but he amused himself with photos of child porn and animal torture.

What an elaborate cover.

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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Original post)

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 05:11 PM

54. I recall this information was news years ago...

...nude photos and pornography. Neither are always problems, but this description of the material reveals a serious problem. Having photos of adult men and children younger than teenagers, gore photos and torture are truly sick. And, it's not normal for men to sleep with underage boys on a regular basis when you have a mansion full of sleeping options. There is no excuse. How horrible for those who adored him... Child abuse does not have to involve penetration. Any sexual act is abuse and can hurt for a lifetime. Showing these pictures is also abusive. I'm sorry Michael was so troubled, but even sorrier for his victims.

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Response to Mike Nelson (Reply #54)

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 05:18 PM

55. Just going through the process of being groomed

can lead to scars for a lifetime.

Someone I love was being groomed as a young teen, but he managed to figure out what was happening before a physical assault took place. It was very difficult to extricate himself because his mom would ask why he was no longer engaging in a particular activity with this man that he had previously enjoyed. He was ashamed to tell her.

It scarred him for years.

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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Reply #55)

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 05:22 PM

57. Very true - nt

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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Reply #55)

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 05:59 PM

59. Something similar....

.... but a lot less serrious happened to me. I displayed reluctance and my parents picked up on it right away. They made a few phone calls and the situation was "resolved" pretty quickly.

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Response to reACTIONary (Reply #59)

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 06:06 PM

60. I'm so glad your parents

picked up on it!

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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Original post)

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 06:27 PM

61. Nothing much to do today eh?

Try watching FAUX news for an update on this.

MJ was acquitted by a jury of his peers.

This is NOT LATE BREAKING NEWS, it is mindless gossip!

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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Original post)

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 08:26 PM

64. I presume we'll be seeing some police detectives up on charges for NOT filing charges...

 

...with the alleged (because I don't believe the first word of this entire article) materials, right? No? Why not?

Sure thing, Medes. Nice date.

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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Original post)

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 08:34 PM

66. This seems contrary to the DA's case

 

against Michael Jackson, and if there was a trove of child porn, he would have been charged with the crime. Or the DA was incompetent beyond belief. Why wouldn't charges have been brought?

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Response to The Second Stone (Reply #66)

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 08:56 PM

68. The article is calling something child porn that wasn't child porn

at least legally. They were "art" books of which some involved partially clothed or nude children. He may well have been using the material in that way, but they couldn't prove it and just having the material was not illegal acording to the report. Most of this seems like old news with a tabloid spin on it.

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Response to Bradical79 (Reply #68)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 01:49 PM

91. I don't believe the child pornography laws

have an "art" exception. Books of photos of nude teens and children are considered pornography. Only adults can give consent to be photographed nude or performing sex acts, which is why in movies about teens coming of age, the "teens" are always played by actors 18 or older.

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Response to OrwellwasRight (Reply #91)

Thu Jun 23, 2016, 08:31 AM

101. He collected painting and reproductions of putti -

 

Naked baby angels. Legit renaissance art. Whether he bought it for artistic value or for tittilation, well we can assume...

But it's not porn. That's the only reason I can think of for not charging him w child porn possession.

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Response to elehhhhna (Reply #101)

Thu Jun 23, 2016, 03:53 PM

106. Yes, Renaissance-era paintings are different.

As are cartoons, drawings or paintings that did not make use of actual nude children. In fact, if I recall correctly the Supreme Court even found that altered nude photos of adults that have been computer enhanced to make them appear to be pubescent and pre-pubescent are perfectly acceptable and not illegal. Yuck. I think that is gross and just promotes actual kiddie porn, pervs have free speech rights too was the reasoning.

Posing actual nude children for photography is another matter.

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Response to OrwellwasRight (Reply #91)

Thu Jun 23, 2016, 11:06 AM

103. My mother has

a nude picture of me laying in a baby bathtub. I don't consider it porn. I was probably 5 or 6 months old at the time.

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Response to cannabis_flower (Reply #103)

Thu Jun 23, 2016, 03:05 PM

105. Many parents, grandparents, aunts, and uncles have such pictures.

So does my mom. My comment was not about what people actually do, but about what the law is.

This type of law why some teens who have "sexted" each other nude photos of themselves (not performing sex acts -- just nudity) have been arrested for and in at least once case I know of, convicted of possessing and distributing child pornography due to the photos being found on their phones and for further circulating such photos.

Perhaps laws need to change with the times, but I am just stating some facts from some jurisdictions.

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Response to The Second Stone (Reply #66)

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 09:17 PM

70. Yeah, that DA had it in for him

This was 10 years after the initial child abuse allegation, and Michael settled. Surely Sneddon would have used this during evidence during the trial, if it's really there.

Must have been a slow news day for this shit to be "all over the internet."

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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Original post)

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 09:38 PM

71. Fuck that freak piece of shit

 

A shame he died before he got to suffer in jail.

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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Original post)

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 10:23 PM

73. I never could understand his celebrity, and always thought he was extremely strange.

worse than even I thought, apparently. (wonder what elizabeth taylor would have said. I know they were very close)

the seemingly unending adulation on his death was more than sickening.

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Response to niyad (Reply #73)

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 11:12 PM

74. You never could understand his celebrity?

 

Thriller is the best-selling album of all time.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #74)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 11:04 AM

83. so? wasn't groundbreaking music or anything else.

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Response to niyad (Reply #83)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 11:18 AM

84. His music was beloved by 100s of millions of people around the world spanning multiple generations

 

His celebrity is probably the easiest to understand of just about any celebrity in modern history. He was massively popular and his music was beloved around the world. He had an iconic style and was an outstanding showman. The videos of his songs from Thriller transformed the industry and he completely captured the attention of the world at the time.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #84)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 11:35 AM

85. which simply proves p. t. barnum's assertion.

and, even if everything you say is true, that did not warrant 24/7 coverage on seemingly every station for weeks on end. there were other events happening, things that affected us.

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Response to niyad (Reply #73)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 04:18 PM

93. You never heard of The Jackson 5?

Michael was a very talented singer/dancer (just because you may not like his kind of music is only your personal choice, it does not mean that he had no talent). I can't speak about the pedophile charges. I wasn't there, and neither were you. What I do know is that he was found innocent on all counts by a jury of his peers, and I tend to agree with them.
I also suspect that lots of people like Michael are easy targets for grifters. He liked to hang out with children, because he was working from the age of 5, and BOOM he's suspected of being a pedophile. People who are different are called "extremely strange" by a judgmental public who eschew everything and everyone out of the ordinary. People who are different are hounded by bullies all their lives. Michael was a famous, rich black man, so the bullies in this case are a bit different. They ended up hounding him to death.

I still like listening to his music, and probably always will. Others are more fanatical in their admiration. So what? The fact he is still loved and admired severely pisses off those who never liked him in the first place. To that I say, "Ha ha, assholes, you lose!"

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Response to BuelahWitch (Reply #93)

Thu Jun 23, 2016, 02:22 AM

98. Nah. I'm still alive and no one thinks I rape children, so I win.

Ha indeed.

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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Original post)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 12:53 AM

75. MJ was a creepy dude but this is silly

First of all, the pron allegations are not new.

He had mainstream adult magazines, books, and videos. He also had books with naked people, including children, in non-pron settings. I got the impression that one of the books was slightly kinky, but not even to the level of 50 Shades.

We've known this. It's not news.

The police report says nothing about torture pron or animal abuse.

I think he was a total pedo and very creepy, but the allegations of torture pron don't seem to have a source.

You want weird shit, this was in the room he died in:

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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Original post)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 01:03 AM

76. Why are you repeating it and posting it here if you wonder why it is News?

 

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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Original post)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 02:08 AM

78. gossip sensationalist clickbait ,

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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Original post)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 02:51 AM

80. I believe the word for this is "clickbait".

 

(Not that this isn't sickening OR, for that matter totally surprising, but it's only being published now because it will get people to go to the site).

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #80)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 01:12 PM

87. That is definitely not the word for this

 

With clickbait, they tease you without giving you the facts, so if you want to find out what the article is about, you have to click on the link.

Clickbait would be something like:

"Shocking New Revelations about Michael Jackson - You Won't Believe What's Been Found"

This, on the other hand, is an actual headline to an article that accurately tells you in the headline what information is contained within the body of the article.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #87)

Thu Jun 23, 2016, 01:36 PM

104. To clairify where I'm coming from here...if true, this is obviously a horrific reveal...

 

And these things should have been admitted as evidence at the trial.

I was calling it clickbait because it seemed cynical to me that, years after Michael Jackson's death, there is a real question in my mind as to the actual newsworthiness of this story.

In the sense that it is the kind of thing a website would post just to get people to click on the story, I saw it as clickbait.

It was not about minimizing how sickening and disturbing this information is.

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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Original post)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 01:14 PM

88. Kids need to be taught

And parents, to follow their intuition, and to just say, no. Hell, no, and run!

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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Original post)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 01:43 PM

90. And if they had this data, why no procecution?

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Response to blackspade (Reply #90)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 02:40 PM

92. Payouts in the millions?

Non-disclosure agreements?

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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Original post)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 04:26 PM

94. Um, this wasn't just someone on facebook saying

"I heard this about Michael Jackson." This is a report from the Huffington Post based on police reports from authorities that were on that raid. Are the police lying? They just decided to gang up on this guy for no reason?
Or did they find crap the pervert was into and choose not to prosecute him for it like they would have with anyone else?

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Response to christx30 (Reply #94)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 04:28 PM

95. Two things: 1) Huffington Post is an internet gossip tabloid founded by a Republican;

 

and 2) the police never lie about anything.

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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Original post)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 04:30 PM

96. People still defend this creature?

The parents who took payoffs ought to be publically shamed too.

I know plenty of people who had horrible childhoods and managed to live productive adult lives despite their abuse. MJ was a predator. End of sentence.

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Response to TexasMommaWithAHat (Original post)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 04:36 PM

97. Look over there! Not here!

anywhere but Trump crime and the sit-in

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