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Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 12:20 PM Jul 2016

Sanders booed by House Democrats

Source: Politico

Sen. Bernie Sanders is still talking like a guy who's running for president. But frustrated House Democrats — who booed him at one point during a morning meeting — say it's time to stop.

With the Democratic convention just weeks away, Sanders still hasn't endorsed one-time rival Hillary Clinton and dodged questions about when he would during a tense meeting Wednesday morning with House Democrats.

"It was frustrating because he's squandering the movement he built with a self-obsession that was totally on display," said one senior Democrat.

After delivering his opening remarks — which touched on Sanders’ favorite issues including campaign finance, Wall Street reform and trade — lawmakers inside the meeting pressed Sanders during a tense question-and-answer session on whether he would ultimately endorse Clinton and help foster party unity.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/bernie-sanders-booed-house-democrats-225161#ixzz4DdvgZTp2

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Sanders booed by House Democrats (Original Post) Cali_Democrat Jul 2016 OP
If "elections aren't about winning but transformations" ehrnst Jul 2016 #1
He previously said he would do everything he can to defeat Trump. Cali_Democrat Jul 2016 #5
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This is a scary statement: "elections aren't about winning". Um, yeah, it really is. SCOTUS is a BlueCaliDem Jul 2016 #130
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Obviously you're not paying attention. TRoN33 Jul 2016 #73
Those policy concessions they're making must also be "frustrating" cprise Jul 2016 #296
Is that your go to insult, tron? Perhaps you are not paying attention. This is the real world. Nitram Jul 2016 #321
This is AMERICA. TRoN33 Jul 2016 #322
"Some" booed while others cheered. Bernie's pressuring the party to stand for what they believe in. bjobotts Jul 2016 #150
Clinton and Trump only represent their party's platform. Clinton booed by teachers Union over bjobotts Jul 2016 #160
Because they want him to shut up. HeartoftheMidwest Jul 2016 #171
THIS ^^^^ AlbertCat Jul 2016 #246
At this point, winning is everything. christx30 Jul 2016 #259
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Not worth the risk G_j Jul 2016 #287
I used to think Bernie was an idealist and so above the ordinary Senator. lark Jul 2016 #197
Very interesting. sangfroid Jul 2016 #222
You must have missed his message. roody Jul 2016 #234
Ha!! good job Roody...your exactly right!! Pauldg47 Jul 2016 #279
It seems that is exactly what he is doing right now. lark Jul 2016 #329
Lark....his luster will never dim!! Pauldg47 Jul 2016 #278
Funny how the poster missed that detail in the cut/paste exercise. floriduck Jul 2016 #186
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Damn straight. downeastdaniel Jul 2016 #297
hypocracy? MariaThinks Jul 2016 #151
He is showing he is selfish and doesn't care about building a coalition. dbackjon Jul 2016 #2
That's party unity for you. forest444 Jul 2016 #3
God damn I'm lucky I wasn't taking a drink... intersectionality Jul 2016 #158
Ah. it is what it is. forest444 Jul 2016 #161
HEH. SammyWinstonJack Jul 2016 #204
Too Funny!! Jack Bone Jul 2016 #293
Sure, Jack. forest444 Jul 2016 #314
didn't Hillary go to the convention back in 2008? just sayin...nt Javaman Jul 2016 #4
She conceded and endorsed well before the convention. ht hack89 Jul 2016 #7
She went to the convention to nominate President Obama.. Peacetrain Jul 2016 #8
Hillary conceded to Obama and endorsed him shortly after the end of the primaries in 2008 Cali_Democrat Jul 2016 #10
Yes. Lots of people go to the convention Renew Deal Jul 2016 #11
Yes she did, and she also suspended her campaign two days after the last primary and... George II Jul 2016 #15
She conceded four days after the last primary. Beacool Jul 2016 #27
Well, their goals are different. Hillary's perspective was win or lose. BS has a movement and it is newthinking Jul 2016 #266
+100 nt Javaman Jul 2016 #272
2 months before the 2008 convention, she campaigned WITH him in UNITY, NH. just sayin... Rose Siding Jul 2016 #56
No, she didn't. She condeded within a week of the last primary voting and campaigned geek tragedy Jul 2016 #78
yes and she did this.... TeamPooka Jul 2016 #230
Ah crap, I knew this was going to happen Peacetrain Jul 2016 #6
And why? Bernie has stopped campaigning and is not talking about Hillary newthinking Jul 2016 #268
If he is definitely done running why hasnt he conceded? puffy socks Jul 2016 #313
That's nice Sherman A1 Jul 2016 #12
Fighting for the American people is no bed of roses, but Eric J in MN Jul 2016 #13
That's typical for his kind of "result" Renew Deal Jul 2016 #19
That is better than aiming for no improvement and achieving nothing. n/t xocet Jul 2016 #75
Is it? How so? Orrex Jul 2016 #99
No offense, but you don't get that comment? Really? n/t xocet Jul 2016 #105
I'm unimpressed by grand gestures that accomplish nothing. Orrex Jul 2016 #111
There is improvement and he lost the nomination WhiteTara Jul 2016 #112
Sanders has sponsored or co-sponsored 207 bills which became law. NT Eric J in MN Jul 2016 #91
Really? Orrex Jul 2016 #123
He was one of the co-sponsors. I don't think there is a technical term of 'primary co-sponsor.' Eric J in MN Jul 2016 #124
Sorry--I meant "original cosponsor" Orrex Jul 2016 #134
Congress.gov doesn't seem to keep track of 'original cosponors.' Eric J in MN Jul 2016 #136
Even so... Orrex Jul 2016 #139
I'm not saying he deserves most of the credit Eric J in MN Jul 2016 #155
Yes they do and here they are. lapucelle Jul 2016 #154
That isn't showing whether he was Eric J in MN Jul 2016 #157
Yes it does. lapucelle Jul 2016 #167
I'm only seeing two categories. Eric J in MN Jul 2016 #170
totally off topic, but I like the clear way they show how far bills got yurbud Jul 2016 #159
Eric J you are right...see below folks... Pauldg47 Jul 2016 #281
How many did the Hill have? What were they for? Pauldg47 Jul 2016 #282
She had 713 sponsored and 2676 cosponsored.. drray23 Jul 2016 #303
Without admendments it is 363 sponsored 1529 cosponsored.nt. drray23 Jul 2016 #305
Selecting became law drray23 Jul 2016 #306
Most were selecting and amendments.?..right? Pauldg47 Jul 2016 #324
just bills. took off the amendments.nt. drray23 Jul 2016 #325
And he is still fighting. pangaia Jul 2016 #33
I think that the people who have actually worked with him see him way, way better than those ehrnst Jul 2016 #43
I support Bernie....Period ...GO Bernie !!!!!!! There is a lot of us around...GO Bernie !!!! Pauldg47 Jul 2016 #64
+1 nt Javaman Jul 2016 #116
+99 chwaliszewski Jul 2016 #129
I have never worked with him. pangaia Jul 2016 #90
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I do not and never have read any Bernie hymnal. What is this hymnal of which you speak? pangaia Jul 2016 #140
Oh please. Orrex Jul 2016 #188
Some supporters awoke_in_2003 Jul 2016 #190
I apologize--you are correct Orrex Jul 2016 #194
Not a problem awoke_in_2003 Jul 2016 #196
Ah ha ! I am an asshat, you say.. My my... pangaia Jul 2016 #203
By "he" I meant Bernie... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2016 #205
Oh. That's better, then. pangaia Jul 2016 #207
I think that term came from a movie... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2016 #208
I didn't know that. pangaia Jul 2016 #210
I think I was editing awoke_in_2003 Jul 2016 #212
I try not to call anybody an asshole or asshat, pangaia Jul 2016 #218
I use "asshat" as a synonym of "asshole" because I don't like using "asshole." merrily Jul 2016 #280
Oh, my.. That is very good writing. pangaia Jul 2016 #202
How so? sangfroid Jul 2016 #223
He's not fighting to stay relevant, or losing. HeartoftheMidwest Jul 2016 #174
Ok, sure. Orrex Jul 2016 #187
I am glad you agree with HeartOfTheModwest. pangaia Jul 2016 #206
He won't ever be seen as relevant to people invested in their careers and the status quo. newthinking Jul 2016 #269
Your right. I urge many of delegates out there, Bernie can still be your choice in lieu of .... Pauldg47 Jul 2016 #327
Bernie didn't invent the idea. ehrnst Jul 2016 #38
this is not a Sanders thing rtracey Jul 2016 #58
This plan is way different than what she had on her site until now. Ash_F Jul 2016 #76
but rtracey Jul 2016 #120
I don't recall her saying that, but it certainly said something different on her site Ash_F Jul 2016 #128
well rtracey Jul 2016 #145
I saw that debate. That's not what I am talking about. Ash_F Jul 2016 #173
Sounds better in original Latin, but then you'd realize it's a logical fallacy. LanternWaste Jul 2016 #70
Wonder where she got the idea? n/t Paper Roses Jul 2016 #182
Bernie, I supported you with my heart and soul, but it's now time to move on groundloop Jul 2016 #14
This Democratic Platform Committee is meeting Friday and Saturday. Eric J in MN Jul 2016 #18
How do you know this? Renew Deal Jul 2016 #20
I wrote 'probably.' I'm basing that off Sanders praising HRC today for compromising Eric J in MN Jul 2016 #79
Looks like you were right Renew Deal Jul 2016 #330
Thanks. Maybe we'll know for sure on Tuesday. NT Eric J in MN Jul 2016 #331
If you were supporting him as a person, I see your point. But if you were supporting the cause The Wielding Truth Jul 2016 #63
I wish he would FACE REALITY heaven05 Jul 2016 #16
In my opinion he IS the one facing reality. pangaia Jul 2016 #40
Maybe the people who have worked with him trying to accomplish things ehrnst Jul 2016 #48
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I have to agree. bdwker Jul 2016 #71
I disagree. He spends more resources attacking Democrats than republicans MariaThinks Jul 2016 #153
Interesting number. Can I see the source? seabeckind Jul 2016 #302
Yes, you are right. ozone_man Jul 2016 #233
Thank you for the support for my view. pangaia Jul 2016 #238
Exactly. Biki Jul 2016 #237
Sanders Urchin Jul 2016 #93
he is not the nominee heaven05 Jul 2016 #177
As soon as he DOES get on board, his leverage to affect change pangaia Jul 2016 #240
I understand heaven05 Jul 2016 #304
OK. Then, if she wants to WIN, if she wants to be the president, pangaia Jul 2016 #309
right heaven05 Jul 2016 #310
What does that have to do with what I said? pangaia Jul 2016 #311
everything heaven05 Jul 2016 #312
I don't know what you mean. pangaia Jul 2016 #318
The Reality Is Ccarmona Jul 2016 #149
Really? I thought that was just a republican wet dream... Walk away Jul 2016 #213
Classy. (n/t) Iggo Jul 2016 #17
Yes. Waltzing in and telling your colleagues that "elections aren't about winning" ehrnst Jul 2016 #23
He was saying that there are bigger issues at stake, much bigger for the long term pangaia Jul 2016 #241
Indeed. n/t demmiblue Jul 2016 #108
It's unfortunate that he has let his support and momentum fizzle into irrelevance Chemisse Jul 2016 #21
He would have been gone in March if he had perspective Renew Deal Jul 2016 #22
Sanders will get more people to vote against Trump if he does NOT endorse n/t eridani Jul 2016 #232
Bernie Sanders is a living example of Dylam Thomas' poem. pangaia Jul 2016 #243
He is not interested n glory. Never was. pangaia Jul 2016 #242
Wish I'd been there... Surya Gayatri Jul 2016 #24
The comment about Sanders self obsession is very accurate Gothmog Jul 2016 #60
No it is not. pangaia Jul 2016 #244
Welcome to politics as usual. God forbid anything improves. floriduck Jul 2016 #189
It just proves what the movement is about. The bo-ing senators are likely newthinking Jul 2016 #271
Those House Democrats are free to run for President and build any movement they wish to... appal_jack Jul 2016 #25
No Democrat bluedye33139 Jul 2016 #30
Hatred? Can you say hyperbole? askeptic Jul 2016 #35
Pronunciation drill bluedye33139 Jul 2016 #96
Sounds logical to me... Surya Gayatri Jul 2016 #44
Nor would a progressive, independent Senator. appal_jack Jul 2016 #57
Democrats now tend to support their own party and to work together for pangaia Jul 2016 #245
I agree. The sky will not fall if he waits for the convention askeptic Jul 2016 #31
It's not a movement yet. That remains to be seen. ehrnst Jul 2016 #52
This message was self-deleted by its author G_j Jul 2016 #285
This is what I thought might happen... kentuck Jul 2016 #26
Its Haints and Angels Kentuck.. Peacetrain Jul 2016 #74
You must have read the book? kentuck Jul 2016 #131
I am reading it now... Peacetrain Jul 2016 #172
WTF? stopbush Jul 2016 #28
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The FBI didn't recommend charges Cali_Democrat Jul 2016 #37
Lynch said she would follow the FBI recommendation. stopbush Jul 2016 #46
Especially since she pledged to follow the FBI's recommendations, whatever they might be. Surya Gayatri Jul 2016 #47
Surrounding oneself with old white men gives one a limited perspective ehrnst Jul 2016 #53
Now we've heard from the DoJ, Sanders. Your last hope is gone lunamagica Jul 2016 #214
We wait for the DoJ? murielm99 Jul 2016 #289
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Self obsession is right bravenak Jul 2016 #32
I think that Sanders has blinders on and can't see outside his bubble. Beacool Jul 2016 #36
Sanders' goal IS in fact a bigger one than 'winning' an election. pangaia Jul 2016 #247
Politico... Triana Jul 2016 #39
2007, nine years ago. Check out their leadership today: George II Jul 2016 #85
"Elections aren't about winning". Yeah, only if you're a Republican lining your pockets. CrowCityDem Jul 2016 #41
There is not a strong anti-TPP plank yet. Therefore, ReasonableToo Jul 2016 #42
For goodness sake he doesn't get to dictate trade deals or anything else pandr32 Jul 2016 #67
From the beginning ReasonableToo Jul 2016 #168
I have not given up on him and never will. pangaia Jul 2016 #252
I understand your being upset with Bernie's actions. pangaia Jul 2016 #251
Keep on truckin' Bernie.... pangaia Jul 2016 #248
"Now we wait to hear from the Justice Department." pandr32 Jul 2016 #45
seems our big tent is getting pretty damn small.... dembotoz Jul 2016 #49
Doesn't it though! KPN Jul 2016 #92
please give it up Bernie and do the right thing for the futures sake NoMoreRepugs Jul 2016 #50
What the hell... Chakaconcarne Jul 2016 #51
To me it seems controversy would HELP Democrats with their convention. Festivito Jul 2016 #54
These aren't some of the same Democrats that voted for the Iraq War? jalan48 Jul 2016 #61
House Democrats voted 118 to 65 in favor of DOMA as well. The majority of them disagreed with Bluenorthwest Jul 2016 #69
Well said, and an excellent point. n/t reflection Jul 2016 #135
I wonder if continually dissing Bernie is a very good strategy askeptic Jul 2016 #62
It certainly doesn't make me feel better about switching Ilsa Jul 2016 #83
Had the exact same reaction. KPN Jul 2016 #95
Exactly. All they know how to do is cover their own asses. pangaia Jul 2016 #255
Correct.. coco77 Jul 2016 #126
If 82% of Sanders supporters have already made the switch, there's not much "flocking" to be done. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2016 #162
I hadn't seen that figure - can you give me a source? askeptic Jul 2016 #165
I got it from upthread. If that number is true, I think you'd agree that the remaining 15%-18% were Tarheel_Dem Jul 2016 #195
Looks like a circular to me. seabeckind Jul 2016 #301
He's not entitled to their approval anigbrowl Jul 2016 #254
K&R stopbush Jul 2016 #65
He has squandered any capital gained by his "movement" Stuckinthebush Jul 2016 #66
Epic failure Geronimoe Jul 2016 #68
Hillary Clinton has way more pledged delegates than Bernie pandr32 Jul 2016 #98
*he* didn't lose them 69 House seats under a highly charismatic Prez MisterP Jul 2016 #72
Because *HE* didn't do anything ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2016 #260
Are these the new rules here? SHRED Jul 2016 #77
Apparently so. I think the new rules were made with the thought in mind that The Second Stone Jul 2016 #87
Apparently. KPN Jul 2016 #97
How is that a new rule? Orrex Jul 2016 #104
Pretty much. harun Jul 2016 #118
Yes, they are enforced by that big straw man over there anigbrowl Jul 2016 #256
If he wants to endorse, he wants it to mean something. Lucky Luciano Jul 2016 #80
And of course they were too chicken-shit to speak non-anonymously. arcane1 Jul 2016 #81
Can Sanders just end the charade Blue_Tires Jul 2016 #82
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Such immature behavior on the part of House Democrats is not going to help winning totodeinhere Jul 2016 #86
Clinton has the support of 82% of BS voters, and the rest were not going to ever vote for her Squinch Jul 2016 #106
Most BS supporters will vote for Clinton. And I will vote for Clinton. totodeinhere Jul 2016 #109
She'll have plenty of supporters who get out and work for her and who donate money. AND she'll Squinch Jul 2016 #113
Then why all the HuBub about Bernie ? kacekwl Jul 2016 #176
You say that as if you think he is actually a threat. Do you really think that? Because that's Squinch Jul 2016 #180
I am not annoyed kacekwl Jul 2016 #267
Did you know that there are people other than you in the Democratic party? No, for reals! Squinch Jul 2016 #270
No, we did not "kinda fell for it" sheshe2 Jul 2016 #286
Sure we did at the polls kacekwl Jul 2016 #316
Okay, fair enough. n/t totodeinhere Jul 2016 #115
No one is demanding "adulation" -- that's an absurd straw man. Jim Lane Jul 2016 #178
OK, then, however you would paraphrase that threat, it's still stupid. The party is united. Squinch Jul 2016 #181
I'm not seeing a threat here. Jim Lane Jul 2016 #201
The threat I refer to is when BS supporters say, "You better do X or BS supporters won't vote for Squinch Jul 2016 #211
People may vote as they please and they're entitled to express their preferences. Jim Lane Jul 2016 #294
The party is united behind Hillary. Individual voters saying, "You better do X or BS supporters Squinch Jul 2016 #317
"The party is united" doesn't mean that all the votes are locked up. Jim Lane Jul 2016 #319
All the votes will never be locked up. Hillary won the majority. She has her own platform. Squinch Jul 2016 #320
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I supported Bernie ~ But it's over left-of-center2012 Jul 2016 #89
His cause is not over Urchin Jul 2016 #94
"There can be only one" billpolonsky Jul 2016 #100
As much as it pains me to admit it... actslikeacarrot Jul 2016 #138
After reading that Baloney sangfroid Jul 2016 #224
What you DON'T know ... NanceGreggs Jul 2016 #250
You ignore the most important differences between 2008 and 2016 Jim Lane Jul 2016 #295
Interesting sangfroid Jul 2016 #315
^^^ THIS ^^^ Tarheel_Dem Jul 2016 #328
As if the House Democrats have been supportive of him during this campaign so far? FourScore Jul 2016 #102
They know him. They have worked with him. Squinch Jul 2016 #107
Only the progressive caucus, blue dog sellouts haven't. harun Jul 2016 #122
How many of the "progressive caucus" actually endorsed him? And the bluedogs were ousted in 2010. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2016 #144
Blue Dogs currently hold 14 seats, the Progressives 68 harun Jul 2016 #175
Well how do you gauge "support", if they didn't endorse him? You posited that he was "supported" by Tarheel_Dem Jul 2016 #198
Any Dem going against the Clinton machine isn't going to get much funding. harun Jul 2016 #308
But that wasn't your original claim. You claim they "supported" him. One would think you meant... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2016 #323
Bernie Sanders IS a guy who's running for President. davidthegnome Jul 2016 #103
Sanders booed buddysmellgood Jul 2016 #110
Politico?? lol - you all are just too much. Politico sucks, except when you say otherwise? closeupready Jul 2016 #114
'Fahrenheit 9/11': Not a Single Democratic Senator Joins with House Objections to Bush/Gore closeupready Jul 2016 #117
Sanders did not arrive in the Senate until January 3, 2007. Your history lesson is a fail on this. Ford_Prefect Jul 2016 #142
It is what it is. Take-away from it what you will. closeupready Jul 2016 #143
What I take away from it is that Hillary Clinton WAS in the Senate on that date. Jim Lane Jul 2016 #184
More disturbing is the implicit censorship you are promoting here! closeupready Jul 2016 #185
Sorry, you lost me completely. Jim Lane Jul 2016 #200
I think we are on the same side, mea culpa, it's my fault. closeupready Jul 2016 #261
Thanks for the clarification. I'll plead that the circumstances led me to being confused. Jim Lane Jul 2016 #262
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Is this really latest breaking news? ThinkCritically Jul 2016 #121
Get this yet? The booing story is a lie. As usual. Jennylynn Jul 2016 #125
Sounds like Senator Sanders was working for us. Not for him. avaistheone1 Jul 2016 #276
He deserved it. lunamagica Jul 2016 #127
This message was self-deleted by its author lunamagica Jul 2016 #132
"Sen.Bernie Sanders is still talking like a guy who's running for president." lunamagica Jul 2016 #133
Glad to hear ejbr Jul 2016 #137
With Sanders it's all about the issues he believes will benefit the millions of people... raindaddy Jul 2016 #141
Bernie's endgame and an endorsement raincity_calling Jul 2016 #146
Not this again. lapucelle Jul 2016 #163
Who? NuclearDem Jul 2016 #147
If they booed Corporate Sponsorship and ownership of themselves... Jackilope Jul 2016 #148
I think everyone is reading this all wrong LakeArenal Jul 2016 #152
Exactly. They are building up his endorsement. nt Lucky Luciano Jul 2016 #257
The party is NOT divided. One candidate won. 82% of the losing candidate's supporters Squinch Jul 2016 #326
Potentially Bernie has a lot to lose jamese777 Jul 2016 #156
Hillary wouldn't do that. Other Democrats might, though. BS doesn't have many friends in Congress. Squinch Jul 2016 #193
The House Democrats need to sharpen up and start understanding what this movement is. Betty Karlson Jul 2016 #164
Bernie needs to sharpen up and start understanding what this movement isn't. Squinch Jul 2016 #192
I hate to break it to you, but that percentage is hardly credited, coming from just one source. Betty Karlson Jul 2016 #284
I'm not too worried... yet Bradical79 Jul 2016 #166
A senior Democratic who was there pandr32 Jul 2016 #183
I've heard before that the political system can be a bit like high school... PoliticalMalcontent Jul 2016 #169
Politico Is Right Wing billhicks76 Jul 2016 #179
You can read the same story on CNN jamese777 Jul 2016 #216
It's over, Johnny awoke_in_2003 Jul 2016 #191
for not surprising since they didn't support him to begin with PatrynXX Jul 2016 #199
I know people like that too Renew Deal Jul 2016 #229
Big deal. I BOO all the Corporate Dems every day myself. -nt- NorthCarolina Jul 2016 #209
Our Government Is Completely Corrupt, And Dems Boo The One Talking About Fixing It Yallow Jul 2016 #215
Representative Connolly... tonedevil Jul 2016 #217
Shhh...don't mess up the narrative! klook Jul 2016 #265
Beauty /nt tonedevil Jul 2016 #275
Others cheered. Hiraeth Jul 2016 #219
after the convention is the answer... lame54 Jul 2016 #220
Do not Dismiss Us sammcgee68 Jul 2016 #221
"Democrat party?" johnp3907 Jul 2016 #235
I stand with Bernie. retrowire Jul 2016 #225
You gotta know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em... nt TeamPooka Jul 2016 #226
There is no REASON for him to stop before the convention. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2016 #228
Bitter ole boobirds aren't worthy to clean out his spittoon Peregrine Took Jul 2016 #231
How many booed? I only see "some" but that could be like 3 people. LeftRant Jul 2016 #236
Making changes is achieved by working with others to get good ideas passed, it is not achieved by Thinkingabout Jul 2016 #239
Those that boo'd should stand up and admit it fbc Jul 2016 #249
I see he's still making a difference! AlbertCat Jul 2016 #253
Well said and true. senz Jul 2016 #290
They booed one of the most loved, honest politicians, ever! DianaForRussFeingold Jul 2016 #258
"like FDR and Kennedy" NuclearDem Jul 2016 #264
! DianaForRussFeingold Jul 2016 #273
Best candidate of my entire life. senz Jul 2016 #291
Yeah... reign88 Jul 2016 #263
Blue doggers grew a pair and worked up a boo. Well bowl me over. How many 2 or 3? lonestarnot Jul 2016 #277
Way to get someone to do what you'd like! merrily Jul 2016 #283
Way to go, Bernie Helen Borg Jul 2016 #288
He fights for what is right senz Jul 2016 #292
Bernie's window of opprtunity is closing fast. baldguy Jul 2016 #298
Sad day for the Democratic PArty 4dsc Jul 2016 #299
Says it all, doesn't it? seabeckind Jul 2016 #300
Anonymous source either bullshit or lacks courage. I call bullshit. Scuba Jul 2016 #307
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
1. If "elections aren't about winning but transformations"
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 12:26 PM
Jul 2016

Why is he so upset about not winning?

Why his insistence that he be the candidate because he "had the best chance of beating Trump?"

He is hanging on by his fingernails for every last moment of the spotlight.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
5. He previously said he would do everything he can to defeat Trump.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 12:29 PM
Jul 2016

Now he says elections aren't about winning.

What the hell?

Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #5)

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
130. This is a scary statement: "elections aren't about winning". Um, yeah, it really is. SCOTUS is a
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 02:40 PM
Jul 2016

prime example why we have to win! The destruction of the VRA by the Roberts Court is a very good reason why we have to win elections. Elections matter because they decide who gets to run the country, and I really, really don't believe anyone outside of the racist pockets in this country want tRump to be president.

Response to ehrnst (Reply #1)

Nitram

(22,663 posts)
321. Is that your go to insult, tron? Perhaps you are not paying attention. This is the real world.
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 01:38 PM
Jul 2016

Not a mystical fantasy tour to instant utopia. Bernie is rapidly becoming not only irrelevant, but also a liability. He's got to do more than "defeat Trump" - he needs to support the Democratic candidate for president.

 

TRoN33

(769 posts)
322. This is AMERICA.
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 02:51 PM
Jul 2016

Bernie can choose to support anyone he wants to. He never asked his supporters to elect someone because he respect individuals' rights of whom they wanted to support. Now... About you... I find you to be too demanding and attempt to command people to vote for Hillary which is considered as trait of authoritian. Go away.

 

bjobotts

(9,141 posts)
150. "Some" booed while others cheered. Bernie's pressuring the party to stand for what they believe in.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 03:22 PM
Jul 2016
 

bjobotts

(9,141 posts)
160. Clinton and Trump only represent their party's platform. Clinton booed by teachers Union over
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 03:40 PM
Jul 2016

voucher schools. This is how we change or force a discussion. Bernie is an idealist who believes dems can once again return to its roots and stand for the middle class. It's not an issue and Bernie says he will do everything in his power to make sure Trump does not become president so why are so many dems trying to tell him what to do and when to do it. I refuse to tell him to support issues he rejects and to do whatever he can to get these issues dealt with. The people who treat him so disrespectfully should be ashamed for being so divisive trying to make an issue out of a non issue. House dems should be booing Lyin' Ryan

christx30

(6,241 posts)
259. At this point, winning is everything.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 10:08 PM
Jul 2016

As someone striving to get into the middle class, I know how important that it exists. But I'd rather Hillary get into the White House than I care about idealism. The next president is going to nominating at least 4 members of the Supreme Court, whose influence is going to last 15-20 years. It needs to be HER nominating the next SCOTUS, and not Trump. Can you picture the horror of a Trump SCOTUS?
If the enemy is Trump. Idealism is great. I love it. But winning elections and effecting public policy is better.

Response to christx30 (Reply #259)

G_j

(40,366 posts)
287. Not worth the risk
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 02:13 AM
Jul 2016

though I clearly hear what you are saying.
For myself, I have weighed the evils. Not a Buddhist, but in agreement, the least harm is the best for all. Sorry, Donald...

lark

(22,993 posts)
197. I used to think Bernie was an idealist and so above the ordinary Senator.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 05:55 PM
Jul 2016

I have to say his luster is dimming. These days it seems to be all about him, personally, not at all like he was in the beginning. He said originally he'd support the candidate when they won enough votes, he's not keeping his word. So sad. I really thought he was better than this, am deeply disappointed in my former hero.

Response to bjobotts (Reply #150)

Peacetrain

(22,836 posts)
8. She went to the convention to nominate President Obama..
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 12:30 PM
Jul 2016

She was already out of the race and working for the ticket..

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
10. Hillary conceded to Obama and endorsed him shortly after the end of the primaries in 2008
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 12:32 PM
Jul 2016

2 1/2 months before the Democratic convention.

You've been fed misinformation.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/08/us/politics/08dems.html

George II

(67,782 posts)
15. Yes she did, and she also suspended her campaign two days after the last primary and...
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 12:35 PM
Jul 2016

....endorsed Obama.

In the 2016 calendar, that would have been three weeks ago. People like to compare 2016 to 2008, how about comparing everything in 2008 to 2016?

Beacool

(30,244 posts)
27. She conceded four days after the last primary.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 12:44 PM
Jul 2016

She immediately set out to help Obama and campaigned very hard for him. At the convention she released her delegates so that Obama could be nominated by acclamation.

She showed class and grace in defeat. Sanders should take note.

Just saying..........

newthinking

(3,982 posts)
266. Well, their goals are different. Hillary's perspective was win or lose. BS has a movement and it is
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 10:44 PM
Jul 2016

about more.

It is telling that this shit is still happening. Sanders has stopped campaigning and is not saying anything about Clinton. Why then should people be so rushed to see him shut up and not finish the process that he and those who voted for him have earned the right to finish it at the convention?

I just don't get the problem with that.

Rose Siding

(32,623 posts)
56. 2 months before the 2008 convention, she campaigned WITH him in UNITY, NH. just sayin...
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 01:01 PM
Jul 2016


That was June 27, 2008

The convention was August 25 - 28

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Democratic_National_Convention
 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
78. No, she didn't. She condeded within a week of the last primary voting and campaigned
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 01:25 PM
Jul 2016

with Obama before the convention.

TeamPooka

(24,155 posts)
230. yes and she did this....
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 08:30 PM
Jul 2016

Is Bernie, as a statesman, literally able to do anything like this?

Clinton Stops Roll Call, Calls To Nominate Obama

newthinking

(3,982 posts)
268. And why? Bernie has stopped campaigning and is not talking about Hillary
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 10:50 PM
Jul 2016

I don't get what this kind of behavior is about except for people's pride. No doubt the ones who boo'd were never interested in the change that Bernie represents in the first place. This sounds extremely personal and childish, and I view it as one more thing that we need to turn around.

I am absolutely sure that those senators hurt themselves with many of their constituents by doing this. There is no rational reason at this point not to maintain decorum.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
13. Fighting for the American people is no bed of roses, but
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 12:34 PM
Jul 2016

...Bernie Sanders got results:


Hillary Clinton on Wednesday proposed a plan to eliminate college tuition for most families, a topic pushed by Democratic presidential primary rival Bernie Sanders.

Under the plan, families making $125,000 or less will pay no tuition at public, in-state universities and colleges.

“The plan will be phased in over five years, but families earning $85,000 or less will immediately be able to attend an in-state college or university without paying any tuition,” reads an announcement on Clinton’s website.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/286641-clinton-backing-tuition-free-college

Orrex

(63,083 posts)
111. I'm unimpressed by grand gestures that accomplish nothing.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 02:05 PM
Jul 2016

No offense, but such futile efforts are little more than fan service and window dressing.

Please explain how it's better.

Orrex

(63,083 posts)
123. Really?
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 02:26 PM
Jul 2016

I count three Sanders-sponsored bills that became law during Sanders run from 1991 through 2016.

Do you have a handy list of the other 204 that became law? Was he the sponsor or primary co-sponsor of those bills, or was he simply a name on a list?

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
124. He was one of the co-sponsors. I don't think there is a technical term of 'primary co-sponsor.'
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 02:30 PM
Jul 2016

Here is a list of the 207 bills which Bernie Sanders sponsored or co-sponsored which became law:

https://www.congress.gov/member/bernard-sanders/S000033?pageSize=250&q=%7B%22congress%22%3A%22all%22%2C%22bill-status%22%3A%22law%22%7D

Orrex

(63,083 posts)
134. Sorry--I meant "original cosponsor"
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 02:44 PM
Jul 2016
In contrast to a sponsor, a "cosponsor" is a senator or representative who adds his or her name as a supporter to the sponsor's bill. An "initial cosponsor" or "original cosponsor" is a senator or representative who was listed as a cosponsor at the time of a bill's introduction, rather than added as a cosponsor later on.[2] A cosponsor added later is known as an "additional cosponsor".[2] Some bills have hundreds of cosponsors.[4]
From Wikipedia

In other words, being a co-sponsor doesn't mean much more than "was also alive and breathing at the time.

In other other words, Clinton sponsored as many bills that became law as Sanders did. She also cosponsored 74 bills that became law.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
136. Congress.gov doesn't seem to keep track of 'original cosponors.'
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 02:49 PM
Jul 2016

I'm not aware of any websites which track that.

Orrex

(63,083 posts)
139. Even so...
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 02:54 PM
Jul 2016

Being a cosponsor is kind of like being an associate producer, or offering a hearty "me, too" from the gallery floor.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
155. I'm not saying he deserves most of the credit
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 03:31 PM
Jul 2016

...for any bill he co-sponsored, just that he was acting as part of a team which got things done.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
157. That isn't showing whether he was
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 03:36 PM
Jul 2016

...one of the original cosponsors or a later cosponsor. I don't think it's an important distinction but the other poster seems to think it is.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
170. I'm only seeing two categories.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 04:30 PM
Jul 2016

"Sponsored" and "Cosponsored." Are you seeing a third category of "Original Cosponsor"?

drray23

(7,587 posts)
306. Selecting became law
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 08:59 AM
Jul 2016

Like the poster did for senator sanders we end up with 3 sponsored and 74 cosponsored for her eight years as senator.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
33. And he is still fighting.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 12:47 PM
Jul 2016

This is what so many do not seem to see.
He is not fighting the same battle all the rest are. He speaks a different language.
He is NOT doing this for himself. He is doing it for all human beings.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
43. I think that the people who have actually worked with him see him way, way better than those
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 12:51 PM
Jul 2016

who never had to work with him to get things done.

I'll believe them about Bernie Sanders.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
90. I have never worked with him.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 01:39 PM
Jul 2016

I didn't know much at all about him, not details anyway, until he started running for president.

It was clear to me from the beginning that this man is different. He is what a politician should be, what a servant of human beings really is..

Response to pangaia (Reply #33)

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
140. I do not and never have read any Bernie hymnal. What is this hymnal of which you speak?
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 02:54 PM
Jul 2016

I have never been a member of any cult.

You just proved my point. You, like so many others, have no earthly idea what he is talking about or doing. I wish you did.

Orrex

(63,083 posts)
188. Oh please.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 05:32 PM
Jul 2016

Sanders' supporters have embraced the Sanders-as-Messiah imagery for many months, so you simply look ridiculous by pretending that it doesn't exist.

And that bit about having "no earthly idea" is a load of shit, pretending that Sanders' supporters have some special wisdom or enlightenment that the uninitiated simply can't grasp. That's the kind of sanctimonious crap that clinched him a mention in history's footnotes, and that kind of enlightenment caused many of his supporters to miss the registration deadline for the primaries.

The primary is over, by the way, and your candidate lost, not least because of the bullshit superiority complex trotted out nonstop by his acolytes.

Orrex

(63,083 posts)
194. I apologize--you are correct
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 05:49 PM
Jul 2016

I was wrong to generalize. The great majority of Sanders' supporters are honest and rational people of integrity, and I shouldn't broad-brush as I did.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
196. Not a problem
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 05:54 PM
Jul 2016

I just wanted it to be known where I stand. I am disappointed in this- he should be out there supporting HRC, just like she did for Obama in 08. Trump must not just lose, he must be crushed in a landslide of epic proportions.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
203. Ah ha ! I am an asshat, you say.. My my...
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 06:38 PM
Jul 2016

Oh well. I don't mind.

I doubt you will get alerted on that, even though it goes against the TOS.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
207. Oh. That's better, then.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 06:45 PM
Jul 2016

That I can understand. About it being Bernie, I mean. After all, you of course don't really know me at all, so I understand, then, how you wouldn't be calling me an asshat. I appreciate it. I was called an asshole here, once however.

By the way, I know what an asshole is, but what is an 'asshat?'

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
208. I think that term came from a movie...
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 06:46 PM
Jul 2016

like a football bat, an asshat is pretty useless.

On edit: I don't think Bernie is useless, but ever since that word slipped into our lexicon I have liked it.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
210. I didn't know that.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 06:50 PM
Jul 2016

So... if it is useless, why not just call Bernie an asshole?

I mean, an asshole has its uses, right?

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
212. I think I was editing
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 06:58 PM
Jul 2016

when you posted. I just like the sound of the word, and I tend to use it in place of asshole. I also use assclown because of the movie Bad Santa.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
218. I try not to call anybody an asshole or asshat,
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 07:43 PM
Jul 2016

although sometimes I may feel like it..

I never saw Bad Santa
I tend to enjoy foreign films, especially Chinese and Japanese.. Kurosawa, Kitano, Kobaysahi, Guoxing, Kaige, Huo Hsiao-Hsien- well, he is Taiwanese..do you know his "A City of Sadness?"......and the like.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
280. I use "asshat" as a synonym of "asshole" because I don't like using "asshole."
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 01:22 AM
Jul 2016

"Asshat" though insulting, seems to me a shade less vulgar and crude than a rectum reference. It was used a lot on a political board I posted on until 2008.

However, as far as I can recall, I never used "asshat" to refer to a DUer, just to jerks I never met, even online.

HeartoftheMidwest

(309 posts)
174. He's not fighting to stay relevant, or losing.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 04:40 PM
Jul 2016

He's been fighting for the same ISSUES for over 40 years ( it's called consistency. )

And he's not losing....but he is being marginalized by those who claim to care so much for these same issues.

newthinking

(3,982 posts)
269. He won't ever be seen as relevant to people invested in their careers and the status quo.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 10:54 PM
Jul 2016

Since he is no longer really campaigning and is not talking about Clinton there is really no reason for this except as an exercise in arrogance and pride. Makes them look shitty and I am sure that they did not gain in reputation since many of their constituents are not enamored with beltway "humor" and "posturing".

Pauldg47

(640 posts)
327. Your right. I urge many of delegates out there, Bernie can still be your choice in lieu of ....
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 04:14 PM
Jul 2016

...the Hill's email issues going on. This will haunt her throughout her presidency and could even cost her with Trump's big mouth. Please delegates, reconsider your vote. It's not to late.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
38. Bernie didn't invent the idea.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 12:48 PM
Jul 2016

But if people need to give him credit for some aspects of Hillary's plan, that's reasonable.

It's good to see a realistic implementation plan for it. Ideas are one thing, getting it to become a reality is another thing.

 

rtracey

(2,062 posts)
58. this is not a Sanders thing
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 01:03 PM
Jul 2016

Hillary Clinton has always said she supported a plan to eliminate college tuition to some students. She also said she didnt think parents like her or Trump, or her kids or Trumps kids should get free tuition if they can afford it.

 

rtracey

(2,062 posts)
120. but
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 02:24 PM
Jul 2016

Fine and she did say during debates it was subject to change, Its not a Sanders proposal. She has ALWAYS said she wants college tuition to be free to those who can't afford it, but for the rich to pay for it. It doesn't matter if its for 200,000 per year, 50,000 per year etc.... It is not free college to all, which I don't agree with. I feel if rich people can afford it, they should pay....just like taxes.

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
128. I don't recall her saying that, but it certainly said something different on her site
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 02:38 PM
Jul 2016

Her site said that students would have debt-free college if working 10 hours a week. That only seems possible if they were going to be paid +$100/hr. Usually work study pays 8-12/hr and there are less jobs than students willing to work them.

I am grateful to Sanders and the movement for keeping up the pressure.

 

rtracey

(2,062 posts)
145. well
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 03:01 PM
Jul 2016

Mark Huelsman and Michael Dannenberg, via Demos: “Senator Sanders would require states to waive tuition and fees for all students attending regardless of income....

Clinton’s plan asks higher-income families who wish to send their children to an in-state, public four year college to contribute a reasonable amount for tuition and fees given their wealth. Those funds in turn could help support higher-quality education for everyone.



"I think everyone who goes to a public college or university should be able to do that without having to borrow a penny to pay tuition," Clinton said Monday. "I'm a little different from those who say 'free for everybody.' I'm not in favor of making college free for Donald Trump's kids. I'm in favor of making college free for your grandson by having no-debt tuition."


google the debates..she will say it....

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
173. I saw that debate. That's not what I am talking about.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 04:37 PM
Jul 2016

She did not explain how her 10 hours a week plan could possibly work when those work study jobs only pay 1/10th of what they need to and not are even available to everyone.

Today's plan is completely different, completely better, and it is thanks to Sanders and the movement for keeping up the pressure. I hope they keep up the pressure through the election and into the next midterms.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
70. Sounds better in original Latin, but then you'd realize it's a logical fallacy.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 01:19 PM
Jul 2016

After this, therefor because of this. Sounds better in original Latin, but then you'd realize it's a logical fallacy.

groundloop

(11,486 posts)
14. Bernie, I supported you with my heart and soul, but it's now time to move on
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 12:34 PM
Jul 2016

Bernie, nobody was a bigger supporter than I was. I was behind you every step of the way, unfortunately we didn't prevail in the primary election and now it's time to get past that and think of the general election. While Hillary wasn't my first choice for the nomination it's an undeniable fact that she's the nominee and we have to do everything we can to support her and help her defeat tRump in November. Letting that racist asshole anywhere near the White House would be an absolute disaster.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
18. This Democratic Platform Committee is meeting Friday and Saturday.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 12:37 PM
Jul 2016

If they adopt at least one of the amendments he's advocating at that time, then Sanders will probably endorse next week.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
79. I wrote 'probably.' I'm basing that off Sanders praising HRC today for compromising
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 01:26 PM
Jul 2016

...with him on college affordability, and his essay that the Democratic Platform draft is good but needs improvement.

I don't know for certain what Sanders will do.

The Wielding Truth

(11,411 posts)
63. If you were supporting him as a person, I see your point. But if you were supporting the cause
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 01:08 PM
Jul 2016

I would think you would be still supporting his steadfast work. It's not his ego but his determination to an economic revolution that is stopping him from switching to Hillary's campaign.

Once he can go no farther and the job will lead only to getting a Good person in the White House and promoting our candidates up and down the ticket he will be as dogged. Have Faith.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
40. In my opinion he IS the one facing reality.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 12:49 PM
Jul 2016

He is the one who has the courage to keep showing to the world what the reality really is.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
48. Maybe the people who have worked with him trying to accomplish things
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 12:52 PM
Jul 2016

understand the reality of what Sanders is really doing this for.

Response to pangaia (Reply #40)

MariaThinks

(2,495 posts)
153. I disagree. He spends more resources attacking Democrats than republicans
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 03:30 PM
Jul 2016

anyway, 85% of his supporters are supporting Hillary (more than Hillary's going for Obama). Hopefully Bernie will go away and we can forget all about him.

ozone_man

(4,825 posts)
233. Yes, you are right.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 08:48 PM
Jul 2016

Not many can speak truth to power like Bernie. That is generally not welcomed by those in power. And in many/most cases, those in power are corrupt. I guess we get to live some more years of that.

 

Urchin

(248 posts)
93. Sanders
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 01:40 PM
Jul 2016

Sanders is actually facing reality. His detractors want to continue acting out a fantasy.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
177. he is not the nominee
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 04:56 PM
Jul 2016

we need to get on with making sure trump fails, miserably. Bernie Sanders has power and he needs to get on board so that he can have more influence in our platforms at the upcoming convention. Otherwise I just see him as a sore loser.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
240. As soon as he DOES get on board, his leverage to affect change
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 09:06 PM
Jul 2016

will very likely diminish.

If I walk into a car dealer, like I did today, and tell them, oh a white car is ok ( which it is not because I have had white, black and brown cars for almost 30 years), even though I really want a red car ( which I do), they will never make the effort to find a red car.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
304. I understand
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 08:54 AM
Jul 2016

yet HRC must win in the Fall, no other option is viable. We can go round and round about what he means to our Party and who and what change he's fighting for but the truth is, HRC must win in the Fall.......

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
309. OK. Then, if she wants to WIN, if she wants to be the president,
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 09:30 AM
Jul 2016

she should endorse, with the full, honest intention to fight to carry out, Bernie's ideas, because THAT is what will bring in the most votes. Not business as usual. And that is what has the possibility to turn around the entire corrupt American political system.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
312. everything
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 09:41 AM
Jul 2016

this is a fight that should be over. The ghosts of Nader seem to be haunting the Party again.....

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
318. I don't know what you mean.
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 12:46 PM
Jul 2016

What does my proposal have to do with Nader, OR Sanders, for that matter.

I am suggesting that the issues Sanders stands for and has been fighting for his entire life are those that will WIN the election for, actually, any Democrat, especially those having to do with corporatism, control by the wealthy few, and government corruption.

 

Ccarmona

(1,180 posts)
149. The Reality Is
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 03:22 PM
Jul 2016

He (along with the rest of us ) didn't know if HRC would be brought up on charges until Tuesday. If she had, he would have been in a strong position to take over as the presumptive nominee.

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
213. Really? I thought that was just a republican wet dream...
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 07:03 PM
Jul 2016

and in the end that is exactly what it turned out to be!

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
23. Yes. Waltzing in and telling your colleagues that "elections aren't about winning"
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 12:41 PM
Jul 2016

when you have been railing for months that you deserved to win.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
241. He was saying that there are bigger issues at stake, much bigger for the long term
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 09:09 PM
Jul 2016

welfare of human beings than "winning."

He is fighting a different battle.

Chemisse

(30,793 posts)
21. It's unfortunate that he has let his support and momentum fizzle into irrelevance
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 12:38 PM
Jul 2016

Rather than finishing up in a blaze of glory then shifting the focus onto Clinton.

I think he has lost perspective.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
24. Wish I'd been there...
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 12:42 PM
Jul 2016

If only to hear this:

"It was frustrating because he's squandering the movement he built with a self-obsession that was totally on display," said one senior Democrat.


Well said senior Democrat.

Wonder if the scene looked anything like this:

newthinking

(3,982 posts)
271. It just proves what the movement is about. The bo-ing senators are likely
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 11:01 PM
Jul 2016

those less enamored with changing the privileged situation they currently have and see what Bernie represents as a threat to their "welfare".

 

appal_jack

(3,813 posts)
25. Those House Democrats are free to run for President and build any movement they wish to...
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 12:42 PM
Jul 2016

I am glad that Bernie is his own man.

His principled stand on the TPP is a part of why he is holding back his endorsement at this point. Democrats should be learning from these principles, but instead too many seem ready to repeat the Clintonian deception and mistakes of NAFTA in 1993.

The fact that no House Democrat has built a movement akin to Sanders' is a problem, but it's not Bernie's problem. Any Democrat is free to hew closely to the principles that excite the Democratic base. Why did it take an independent Senator to do so?

-app

bluedye33139

(1,474 posts)
30. No Democrat
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 12:46 PM
Jul 2016

No Democrat has ever build a movement like Sanders's because Democrats tend to support their own party and to work together for the common good. To build a cult of personality based on hatred for the Democratic party would not be a logical goal for a Democrat in the House.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
44. Sounds logical to me...
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 12:51 PM
Jul 2016
To build a cult of personality based on hatred for the Democratic Party would not be a logical goal for a Democrat in the House.


 

appal_jack

(3,813 posts)
57. Nor would a progressive, independent Senator.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 01:01 PM
Jul 2016

Bernie Sanders has not been shy about calling the Democratic Party power structure and elites to account, but I'll just wait here for a single piece of evidence to be presented that his campaign was in any way, shape or form "based on hatred for the Democratic party." Got any? No, I didn't think so.

Was passing NAFTA "for the common good?"

Sure has not turned out that way. Many of us were in the streets and meeting with globalization activists back in the early nineties (and plenty of times since), saying that NAFTA was corporatist garbage. We were ignored by the Democratic Party. Why are they marginalizing and ignoring our (and Bernie's) message about this still? We have 23 years of data since NAFTA passed.

-app

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
52. It's not a movement yet. That remains to be seen.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 12:57 PM
Jul 2016

It depends on whether Bernie is able to actually accept and inspire people who don't walk lockstep with his ideas.

It doesn't look like it though.


http://www.forbes.com/sites/gregsatell/2016/06/10/the-science-behind-bernie-sanders-failed-movement-explained/

Response to appal_jack (Reply #25)

Peacetrain

(22,836 posts)
172. I am reading it now...
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 04:35 PM
Jul 2016

You are on your way to Vietnam..really brought back some memories for me too.. especially that clabber can with worms in the bottom.. I swear we used one too.. and the cane poles.. the only thing missing was the the lightening bugs in the mason jars with grass at the bottom on a hot night.. you and I walked some very similar roads as little kids.. though I have been out in the midwest most of my life.. but I am really enjoying it.. Here is one for you.. moon pies and red rock or rc cola.. the miners mid day meal..

stopbush

(24,375 posts)
28. WTF?
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 12:44 PM
Jul 2016

Sanders also weighed in at a press conference on the FBI's decision not to recommend charges against Clinton for sending classified information over her private servers as secretary of State.
"I think you’ve heard me say from Day One that there is a process in terms of the investigation regarding Secretary Clinton and the emails," Sanders said. "Yesterday was an important part of that process. Now we wait to hear from the Justice Department."

Really? "Now we wait to hear from the DoJ?"

Unbelieveable.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/bernie-sanders-booed-house-democrats-225161#ixzz4DeDhyVnP

Response to stopbush (Reply #28)

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
37. The FBI didn't recommend charges
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 12:48 PM
Jul 2016

Does he actually think Lynch will press charges anyway?

He seems so confused.

stopbush

(24,375 posts)
46. Lynch said she would follow the FBI recommendation.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 12:52 PM
Jul 2016

What is he hoping for? That she'll go back on her word and return an indictment, thus ushering Sanders into the nomination?

I really don't understand what he thinks he has to gain by making such statements.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
53. Surrounding oneself with old white men gives one a limited perspective
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 12:58 PM
Jul 2016

on reality. A privileged perspective.

murielm99

(30,655 posts)
289. We wait for the DoJ?
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 02:45 AM
Jul 2016

We do? Why? To encourage repubbies and diehard berniebots to continue to believe in the indictment fairy? Someone should have asked him to clarify that statement.

Response to Cali_Democrat (Original post)

Beacool

(30,244 posts)
36. I think that Sanders has blinders on and can't see outside his bubble.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 12:48 PM
Jul 2016

The object is precisely to win the election. How does he think that Democratic policies can be implemented if Hillary and down ticket candidates don't win their elections?????

He deserved to be booed.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
247. Sanders' goal IS in fact a bigger one than 'winning' an election.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 09:18 PM
Jul 2016

And that was what he basically said in the House meeting.

George II

(67,782 posts)
85. 2007, nine years ago. Check out their leadership today:
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 01:35 PM
Jul 2016

ROBERT L. ALLBRITTON
Executive Chairman and CEO

Among many other things, "...Robert serves on the Board of Directors of the Lyndon B. Johnson Foundation..."

Are you implying that simply because this came from Politico that the incidents described didn't happen?

 

CrowCityDem

(2,348 posts)
41. "Elections aren't about winning". Yeah, only if you're a Republican lining your pockets.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 12:49 PM
Jul 2016

For the rest of us, elections are absolutely about winning. You can't enact any of the plans you want to make this a better country without winning. It's sort of step one of politics.

This confirms Bernie has no idea what he's doing.

ReasonableToo

(505 posts)
42. There is not a strong anti-TPP plank yet. Therefore,
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 12:50 PM
Jul 2016

His work is not done.

Would also like anti-fracking and anti-insurance giveaway/pro-singel payer planks.

pandr32

(11,446 posts)
67. For goodness sake he doesn't get to dictate trade deals or anything else
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 01:13 PM
Jul 2016

He was given some input for the Democrat Party platform as a courtesy. He appointed some representatives to fill the seats--he was allowed five--not the majority. If he doesn't formally endorse Hillary Clinton quickly he will not be able to speak at the convention. He is trying to speak to members of Congress and getting booed.
Besides, there will have to be trade deals. He can vote on them as they come up in the Senate. Ditto for everything else he doesn't like, and on things like gun reform, too.

ReasonableToo

(505 posts)
168. From the beginning
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 04:18 PM
Jul 2016

People said he had no shot but could influence the platform and bring the party further left.

The booing reflects on them.

The party could have adopted anti-TPP platform but didn't. The pro-TPP folks are the ones that should be booed at this point.

We CANT go into the next 4-year term knowing that TPP is likely to pass.

The GOP fought world-wide human rights resolutions because we'd "give up our sovereignty". We can't give our right to govern and protect our environment away to multi-national corporations.

This is a big deal and I don't blame Bernie for not giving up on us even though we've given up on him. We've given up on the Democratic Party if we don't fight against TPP.

He's fighting for his grandkids and mine.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
252. I have not given up on him and never will.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 09:24 PM
Jul 2016

I don't even have grand kids, or children, at least not by blood.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
251. I understand your being upset with Bernie's actions.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 09:22 PM
Jul 2016

He lives the words of Dylan Thomas every day....

I wish I were that strong.

pandr32

(11,446 posts)
45. "Now we wait to hear from the Justice Department."
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 12:51 PM
Jul 2016

Sorry, Bernie but we already did. We all did. Lynch has already stated she would abide by the recommendations from the FBI and they found nothing criminal and so, Bernie, there will be no charges.
It is over.
Quit heading to Congress with your Secret Service detail pretending you might still become President...somehow. No wonder you are getting booed by Representatives there. You are not the leader of the Democrats or of Congress. Set the SS free and make peace with the party you joined in order to run for POTUS. You got beaten fair and square...and by a huge margin.

Chakaconcarne

(2,383 posts)
51. What the hell...
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 12:54 PM
Jul 2016

Bernie has been more loyal to democratic causes than most... he'll come around. He just has to finish what he's set out to do... I don't see any huge division in the party by him hanging on. We can't pretend to fully understand his intentions. We've trusted him in the past to do good work for us...why not continue to trust him? Quit bashing him for Pete's sake...he serves us well.

Festivito

(13,452 posts)
54. To me it seems controversy would HELP Democrats with their convention.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 12:59 PM
Jul 2016

Controversy is interesting. Otherwise, it's just a bunch of speeches. Yawn!

I can understand that there are some Hillary partisans that would do nearly anything to have Hillary as president, even to the point of ruining our convention and hurting our chances in November. She's that important to them.

I say: Let's look like we are pro-voting, pro-due process.

jalan48

(13,797 posts)
61. These aren't some of the same Democrats that voted for the Iraq War?
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 01:06 PM
Jul 2016

Now there is something to boo about-you know- a real issue.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
69. House Democrats voted 118 to 65 in favor of DOMA as well. The majority of them disagreed with
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 01:15 PM
Jul 2016

Bernie on that as well. They were of course wrong and all of them admit that today.

askeptic

(478 posts)
62. I wonder if continually dissing Bernie is a very good strategy
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 01:07 PM
Jul 2016

maybe Bernie's supporters will flock to Hillary after a public booing, but, personally, I just don't think this is how you get Bernie's supporters on board. If you project disrespect to the candidate, it just might be taken personally. What do you think?

Ilsa

(61,675 posts)
83. It certainly doesn't make me feel better about switching
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 01:35 PM
Jul 2016

to the Clinton camp after SBS lost. I don't hold it against her, but I don't enjoy the company I'm in.

KPN

(15,585 posts)
95. Had the exact same reaction.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 01:43 PM
Jul 2016

Booing Bernie for putting pressure on the Party to stand up for the middle class? Really? Seems to me that these are the egotistical folks, not Bernie.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
255. Exactly. All they know how to do is cover their own asses.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 09:28 PM
Jul 2016

Plus, I seriously doubt they actually understood what Bernie was saying.
Or even worse, maybe they did.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,207 posts)
162. If 82% of Sanders supporters have already made the switch, there's not much "flocking" to be done.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 03:48 PM
Jul 2016

The rest were hardcore Greens & Libertarians who were never gonna vote for her anyway.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,207 posts)
195. I got it from upthread. If that number is true, I think you'd agree that the remaining 15%-18% were
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 05:52 PM
Jul 2016

never going to support her, or any other Democrat for that matter.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1510418

 

anigbrowl

(13,889 posts)
254. He's not entitled to their approval
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 09:27 PM
Jul 2016

You know, it'd be one thing if he were to acknowledge Clinton as victor of the primary process and mention that he looks forward to endorsing her at the convention or something, but he's still talking like he's a competitor even though the race has been run and he lost. A lot of people, including myself, don't care to have their intelligence insulted that way.

To all the people saying Bernie is fighting for a principle etc., that's fucking bullshit. You don't advance your principles by rejecting reality or declining to acknowledge unpleasant facts. Also, you need to ask yourself why Sanders doesn't believe in the principle of making sure his supporters are fully informed instead of putting half-baked policy prescriptions up on his website. Sanders seems to be great at telling people what they want to hear, but has little or no interest in actually making anyone better informed.

Stuckinthebush

(10,816 posts)
66. He has squandered any capital gained by his "movement"
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 01:11 PM
Jul 2016

His will be a campaign studied for years on how not to end a run for the white house. He is rather irrelevant now and getting smaller.

He will get a few lines in the platform and declare victory. Sad.

 

Geronimoe

(1,539 posts)
68. Epic failure
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 01:15 PM
Jul 2016

Booing Bernie is not sn effective way to win Bernie voters.

Bernie has more pledged delegates than either Obama or Hillary had in 2008. Possibly representing 46% or more of the party.

pandr32

(11,446 posts)
98. Hillary Clinton has way more pledged delegates than Bernie
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 01:45 PM
Jul 2016

...so what's your point? It was a much closer race between Hillary Clinton and Obama in 2008 than it was between Hillary Clinton and Bernie in 2016.

ConservativeDemocrat

(2,720 posts)
260. Because *HE* didn't do anything
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 10:09 PM
Jul 2016

Hell, *HE* didn't even step up to sell single payer in his own state, choosing to blame Democrats when it failed.

Tell you what, guy. You stop bashing the Democratic party, and I won't point out that Sanders has accomplished very little of anything real on the national scale, other than making it more likely for Republicans to win.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

 

SHRED

(28,136 posts)
77. Are these the new rules here?
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 01:25 PM
Jul 2016

That we can express our disgust and distrust of Bernie but not Hillary?

 

The Second Stone

(2,900 posts)
87. Apparently so. I think the new rules were made with the thought in mind that
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 01:36 PM
Jul 2016

Sanders would get behind the winner, and that the admins were mistaken in this assumption. Probably a good faith mistake. Who knew Sanders would continue to be so obsessed with his campaign that came in second?

I thought Sanders had a better connection to how politics operates than he actually does. I thought the problem was a minority of his supporters. The problem is that he has to have it his way or no way. That isn't how democracy works. Best we know this about him now rather than later.

Orrex

(63,083 posts)
104. How is that a new rule?
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 01:52 PM
Jul 2016

The loser of the primary is consciously harming the campaign of the winner. Does DU have some rule against commenting on that?

 

anigbrowl

(13,889 posts)
256. Yes, they are enforced by that big straw man over there
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 09:30 PM
Jul 2016

I'm sure if you tried to beat him up you'd probably succeed because you're so amazing and clever.

Lucky Luciano

(11,242 posts)
80. If he wants to endorse, he wants it to mean something.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 01:31 PM
Jul 2016

His endorsing without him really believing he will fight for the things he thinks we need would be shallow. Bernie isn't shallow. If he does endorse, I will take it to mean that HRC truly will fight the good fight.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
82. Can Sanders just end the charade
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 01:35 PM
Jul 2016

And admit he only joined the Dems to run for president and now that it's over he wants to go back to being independent? Nobody would hold it against him, and he'd be 100% free to do his own thing?

Response to Cali_Democrat (Original post)

totodeinhere

(13,034 posts)
86. Such immature behavior on the part of House Democrats is not going to help winning
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 01:35 PM
Jul 2016

over Sanders supporters to support Clinton. And it won't help them get control of the House back either.

Squinch

(50,773 posts)
106. Clinton has the support of 82% of BS voters, and the rest were not going to ever vote for her
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 01:55 PM
Jul 2016

anyway. Hillary has already united the gain-able BS supporters behind her.

The "you need to show adulation for BS or his followers won't unite under Hillary" threat never did make much sense, and now the numbers have proven that it will never be an issue.

totodeinhere

(13,034 posts)
109. Most BS supporters will vote for Clinton. And I will vote for Clinton.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 02:02 PM
Jul 2016

But how enthusiastic will that support be? Will they get out on the street and work for Hillary and donate money to her? This is much more than a poll that shows most Bernie supporters voting for Hillary.

Squinch

(50,773 posts)
113. She'll have plenty of supporters who get out and work for her and who donate money. AND she'll
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 02:10 PM
Jul 2016

have plenty of supporters who - wait for it - vote for her.

Thanks for your concern, but she'll be fine.

Squinch

(50,773 posts)
180. You say that as if you think he is actually a threat. Do you really think that? Because that's
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 05:09 PM
Jul 2016

just silly.

The "hubbub" as you call it is due to the fact that he is an immense annoyance. He's like the houseguest that you can't get rid of and who complains about their accommodations all the time. The guest who does that complaining while the host is fighting the crazy neighbor down the street who is threatening to blow up the house. The host doesn't have time for the houseguest's bullshit.

And yes, she will be fine.

kacekwl

(6,993 posts)
267. I am not annoyed
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 10:46 PM
Jul 2016

but glad to see him and some others here sticking around to keep on Hillary and the democratic party to do what they said they would durring the campaign. We kinda fell for the I got it from here with President Obama. Don't want that to happen again.

sheshe2

(83,319 posts)
286. No, we did not "kinda fell for it"
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 01:54 AM
Jul 2016
but glad to see him and some others here sticking around to keep on Hillary and the democratic party to do what they said they would durring the campaign. We kinda fell for the I got it from here with President Obama. Don't want that to happen again.



Obama said "We are the ones we have been waiting for". Where were you?

kacekwl

(6,993 posts)
316. Sure we did at the polls
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 12:19 PM
Jul 2016

allowing the repubs to gain control of congress and state offices all over the country. I voted DEMOCRATIC in every election since I was of age apparently not every Democratic did. President Obama had a chance to do great things and I believe he has but we democrats did not press him as hard as we should.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
178. No one is demanding "adulation" -- that's an absurd straw man.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 05:05 PM
Jul 2016

Well, let me be more precise: No one is demanding adulation of Bernie. Given the attitudes on the brave new DU toward anything remotely negative about Clinton, I wouldn't want to over-generalize.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
201. I'm not seeing a threat here.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 06:33 PM
Jul 2016

Most people who supported Bernie will vote for Clinton. Some definitely won't. There's a group in the middle that might still be persuaded either way. You completely disdain them, but my guess is that your candidate is a lot smarter than that and is not writing them off the way you would.

Any candidate faces the problem that you can't please all the people all the time. Clinton knows that she can't completely adopt Bernie's program or she'll alienate many of the more conservative voters, but she also can't do a complete Etch-A-Sketch pivot to the right. Barring that complete pivot, Bernie will endorse her. There's no "threat" that he won't unless she does something completely unforeseeable. Nevertheless, despite Clinton supporters' readiness to impute messianic adoration to Bernie's supporters, the fact is that his endorsement will have some influence but won't automatically deliver all his voters. The conduct of Clinton and the Democratic Party will also have some effect on how many of the Bernie supporters end up voting for Clinton.

Squinch

(50,773 posts)
211. The threat I refer to is when BS supporters say, "You better do X or BS supporters won't vote for
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 06:55 PM
Jul 2016

Hillary."

It's been tossed around a lot, and it is dumb.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
294. People may vote as they please and they're entitled to express their preferences.
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 03:51 AM
Jul 2016

Your term "threat" has a connotation of something improper: "You better do X or I'll break your arm." That's a far cry from "You better do X or I won't vote for you" (or other people won't vote for you).

The rules of this board are that any warm body with a &quot D)" after its name is to be supported, but individual Sanders supporters are under no such obligation. Furthermore, it's certainly within the bounds of permissible discussion, even here, to talk about different actions that Clinton and the Democratic Party might take to get more votes from the people who supported Bernie. You're free to disparage that effort, but I suspect that the Clinton campaign strategists don't share your dismissive attitude.

Squinch

(50,773 posts)
317. The party is united behind Hillary. Individual voters saying, "You better do X or BS supporters
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 12:19 PM
Jul 2016

won't vote for Hillary" are talking out of their asses. BS supporters WILL vote for Hillary. Or at least 82% of them have said they will.

So when someone says, "You better do X or BS supporters will not vote for Hillary," they are speaking a non-truth, and a stupid one at that.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
319. "The party is united" doesn't mean that all the votes are locked up.
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 01:29 PM
Jul 2016

You and I are in agreement that most of Bernie's supporters will vote for Clinton, but some won't. Where we differ is that you seem to think those lines are cast in stone. I think there's a group in the middle that hasn't decided yet, plus some people in each camp who might yet change their minds, depending on what happens.

Obviously, no one could say that Clinton will get the votes of all of Bernie's supporters or of none of them, depending on whether she or the party does action X. Nevertheless, it's a legitimate subject for discussion to analyze the choices that will influence the decisions that some of those voters make.

For example, trade agreements are an important issue to many people. It's clear that Trump will tout his opposition to agreements that Clinton has in the past supported. There are steps that Clinton and the party could take on this subject. Will the platform oppose TPP? Will it at least oppose any plan for a lame-duck vote that would let legislators vote in favor of what big business wants without having to answer for it in the 2016 campaign? Will Clinton go beyond making a tepid statement of opposition and intensely lobby her allies in Congress to reject the TPP? The answers to these questions will affect how (or whether) some of Bernie's supporters vote. Of course, it's also true, and probably more important, that strong opposition to the TPP would blunt Trump's appeal to the Rust Belt workers whom he needs to flip states like Ohio and Pennsylvania.

Squinch

(50,773 posts)
320. All the votes will never be locked up. Hillary won the majority. She has her own platform.
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 01:35 PM
Jul 2016

That platform won. She has made more concessions to the loser than any winner in memory. She has won over 82% of BS's supporters.

Going after the remaining voters would hurt her more than it would help her, because they are, by definition, an unviable fringe.

Response to Cali_Democrat (Original post)

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
89. I supported Bernie ~ But it's over
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 01:37 PM
Jul 2016

He's just diminishing himself by clinging on.
He's like that house guest who doesn't know it's time to go home.

 

Urchin

(248 posts)
94. His cause is not over
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 01:43 PM
Jul 2016

His cause is just beginning. And the proportion of voters who support what Sanders stands for, will continue to grow until they are the majority.

 

billpolonsky

(270 posts)
100. "There can be only one"
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 01:49 PM
Jul 2016

A few observations on this primary from a "foreigner" so you can totally disregard these comments cause what do foreigners know anyway.

What I've seen can be summed up in a few sentences. This is in no way a complete list.

The defeated must be on his knees
the defeated and his followers must be discredited
the defeated must pledge fealty to the "chosen one"
the defeated will not speak with his own voice
the defeated must not speak
the defeated will be blamed for any misstep of the chosen one.
the defeated never really happened...

What Hillary Clinton does with her presidency ( she will win) is for history to decide. I hope she decides to work with Bernie Sanders and the 46% of the Democrats that voted for him.





actslikeacarrot

(464 posts)
138. As much as it pains me to admit it...
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 02:52 PM
Jul 2016

...but you have described America perfectly. It's not enough that I win, someone else has got to lose! And lose big.

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
250. What you DON'T know ...
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 09:21 PM
Jul 2016

... about the US political system is a lot.

The defeated (in this case Bernie) should acknowledge their defeat, and congratulate the winner.

The defeated and his followers should stand behind the nominee instead of insisting it's their way or the highway.

The defeated should fully endorse and support the candidate - as Bernie himself said he would do when he entered this race.

The defeated can speak all he wants - no one is stopping him. And obviously the defeated can make a fool of himself by continuing to speak as though he won, when everyone knows he lost - and lost by a wide margin.

The defeated never really happened? Oh, I assure you that few people will forget how this particular "defeated" candidate continued to make demands of the winning candidate, as though he is in any position to do so.

If you want to understand how "the defeated" act with grace and dignity while putting aside their own loss in order to fully stand behind the chosen candidate, I suggest you look at how Hillary conducted herself after she lost to Obama. She was tireless in her efforts to ensure that her former rival was elected POTUS. She campaigned for him vigorously, and never lost sight of the fact that putting a Democrat in the White House was far more important than her own ego.

HRC was far closer to Obama in delegates/votes in 2008 than Bernie ever was. And yet she conceded without issuing demands of Obama, without insisting that SHE be heard, without withholding her endorsement in an attempt to have HER demands met.

Had Hillary acted the way Bernie is acting now, she wouldn't be on her way to the White House. She'd forever be known as the "defeated" candidate whose ego couldn't accept that she'd lost - a sure sign of never having had the intelligence. self-discipline, and fortitude to lead a nation.

Bernie, by his own words and attitude, will go down in history as not only the "also ran", but the "also ran" who kept insisting that he was "still in the race" long after the winner of that race had been decided by the voters.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
295. You ignore the most important differences between 2008 and 2016
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 05:23 AM
Jul 2016

The difference is that, in 2008, there was almost no ideological difference between the two leading candidates. Obama, in a post-election interview, commented on how liberated he felt when he was going up against McCain, because he finally had a plethora of substantive issues on which to distinguish himself from his opponent.

In 2016, by contrast, Sanders has been substantially to Clinton's left on many issues. That's how he went from single digits in the polls to 40-some percent of the vote.

That points to the other important difference. In 2008, both Clinton and Obama were running primarily to become President. Each thought, with reason, that s/he had a good chance of being nominated and elected. This year, Sanders didn't enter the race with any such idea. He pulled many more votes than he expected. His real purpose was not to further his personal ambition but to press certain issues, i.e., to ensure that there was a genuine debate in which many progressives' disagreements with Clinton were given voice.

Bernie is continuing what he's been doing for more than a year now. He's raising issues that the corporate media would completely ignore if he didn't make a stink. That also happens to be the course of action by which he can do the most to bring about the defeat of Republican candidates all up and down the ballot.

 

sangfroid

(212 posts)
315. Interesting
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 11:36 AM
Jul 2016

Apparently a lot of our political system is "based" on what you think should happen. Ms. Clinton is the presumptive nominee, which means everyone presumes she will be the nominee, not that she is. Neither side has actually won or lost until we have a convention.

Oh, I remember a lot of discussion about grace and dignity coming from the PUMA crowd. Like they said, you let us worry about our candidate's grace and dignity.

FourScore

(9,704 posts)
102. As if the House Democrats have been supportive of him during this campaign so far?
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 01:51 PM
Jul 2016

Newsflash - they haven't been.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,207 posts)
198. Well how do you gauge "support", if they didn't endorse him? You posited that he was "supported" by
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 05:55 PM
Jul 2016

the progressive caucus. How do you quantify that? If there are, as you say, 68 members...how do you know they "supported" him?

harun

(11,348 posts)
308. Any Dem going against the Clinton machine isn't going to get much funding.
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 09:28 AM
Jul 2016

So they play along.

A lot of the Progressive Caucus aren't fighting for progress.

Ellison is, a few others.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,207 posts)
323. But that wasn't your original claim. You claim they "supported" him. One would think you meant...
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 02:57 PM
Jul 2016

all "68" of them did. That's just not even close to being true. Conspiracy theories aside, most of them supported Hillary Clinton. Keith Ellison, Raul Grijalva & Tulsi Gabbard were his progressive supporters. That ain't even close to a majority of the progressive caucus. If you know different, then please do tell.

davidthegnome

(2,983 posts)
103. Bernie Sanders IS a guy who's running for President.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 01:51 PM
Jul 2016

He has said from the beginning that he is in this until the convention - and it seems that he intends to keep his word. While I realize that that is a highly unusual thing for a politician to do... perhaps House democrats and others should take Sanders at his word when he says such things. In the past, I have thought to myself (and said, here) that I think it's time for him to concede. Now though, I'm not so sure. It seems likely to me (though not certain - I do not have a functioning crystal ball) that Clinton will go with a more safe, moderate choice for Vice President, which in itself will not destroy the progressive movement, but it will certainly not do it any favors. There is also the question of the quality of people she will fill her cabinet with - if she does as Obama did before her... anyone who is not troubled by the overwhelming (and growing) power of the corporate and wealthy elite just isn't paying attention.

We are facing a time of economic inequality so severe, that has brought on so much suffering and despair... Sanders hopes to do what he can to counter this. Perhaps he believes he can do more if he stays in this thing until the convention. Perhaps he believes he can win concessions in regards to more progressive agendas.

It's no joke that a small percentage of our population owns most of the wealth of our Country. It's no joke that people making billions of dollars pay less taxes than people making 80 grand a year. It's no joke that corporations seeing record profits have nonetheless received large amounts of yearly tax relief. It is no joke that we have people like Arne Duncan heading up so called "education reform" - and it is no joke that this has had a very negative effect on public education overall - particularly when we consider the lack of funding.

There are still, I think, genuine questions to be asked about what Clinton will/would do as President. I believe they should be asked - and I do believe, as a liberal democrat, that we should engage in this debate as much as we can, to accomplish as much as possible for the poor, the working poor, the middle class - and so on.

I have no reason to think that Sanders will not endorse Clinton either at - or after the convention. He has, however, vowed to remain in this thing until then. Perhaps he intends to keep his word. Constructive criticism is one thing, but accusing Bernie of self obsession when he is, in fact, doing nothing more than keeping his promise to his supporters... well, that doesn't seem constructive to me.

His message remains, I think, idealistic, progressive, noble... and, I think, on the right side of this debate.

It's not just a matter of personality preferences and such things. My political views are largely a result of my life experiences. When you have no health insurance (and no way to get it), health problems that get worse every year, no access to higher education, debt relief, or even, really, the proverbial snowball's chance of progress in your own life... then someone like Sanders might speak very loudly to you. Perhaps his message will resonate more strongly than it would in, say, someone who has a relatively positive economic perspective in regards to their own circumstances.

With that being said... I do not realistically expect a great amount of change in the next few years. I am one of those people who will likely continue to fall between the cracks and escape the notice of pretty much everyone - including politicians. I continue, however, to put my Faith in the message that Sanders has brought, in the movement that he has helped lead. Unfortunately... I believe it will take decades (that it is possible we do not have) for true progressive reform to take root in this Country.

When it ultimately comes down to a choice between Clinton and Trump in the general... I will happily crawl over broken glass to vote for Clinton. She was not my preference, primarily because of economic hardships in my own life and in the lives of those close to me. I do believe that Sanders is a greater advocate for poor and working class Americans. However... I also realize that the American people have spoken as to their preference, overall. So yes, Clinton will almost certainly be the nominee, but I do not see how Sanders is doing any damage to her campaign by remaining in this thing until the end. If anything, he is demonstrating his loyalty to and faith in the causes to which he lays claim.

Just my ten cents.

buddysmellgood

(4,032 posts)
110. Sanders booed
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 02:04 PM
Jul 2016

I think he is staying in it in order to influence the party platform. Clearly, all Democrats do not agree on the direction of the party. Bernie needs to continue being Bernie.
Hillary will shift to whatever works best to beat Trump.
Does anyone really think Bernie ultimately won't support Hillary?

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
114. Politico?? lol - you all are just too much. Politico sucks, except when you say otherwise?
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 02:18 PM
Jul 2016
Can't wait for tomorrow's laugh...
 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
184. What I take away from it is that Hillary Clinton WAS in the Senate on that date.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 05:19 PM
Jul 2016

I'm pretty sure the new Senators and Representatives get sworn in before the Congress takes up the presidential election.

Although you've posted in a thread about Sanders, your post is an implicit criticism of Clinton, and arguably a violation of the post-June 20 restrictions on what's permitted on DU.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
185. More disturbing is the implicit censorship you are promoting here!
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 05:24 PM
Jul 2016

Which would be tantamount to lying. That's an even MORE serious violation of the terms of service upon which DU was founded.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
200. Sorry, you lost me completely.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 06:19 PM
Jul 2016

If I were making the rules for DU, there wouldn't be implicit censorship, and even the explicit censorship would be much less restrictive than what the actual admins have chosen to impose. Trust me, I didn't alert on your post.

So, what implicit censorship am I promoting?

Of course, your obvious intent was to smear Bernie Sanders, which, explicit rules or not, is still allowed and even encouraged here. For that reason, I doubt that your post will be hidden. I was merely pointing out, with tongue partly in cheek, that, through historical ignorance, you missed the mark and raised a criticism that applies to Clinton but not to Bernie.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
261. I think we are on the same side, mea culpa, it's my fault.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 10:13 PM
Jul 2016

for the confusion - I posted that snippet, and later realized it was very imperfect as an analogy to the incident alleged in the OP, so let's just let it go, and know that I have always been a Bernie supporter, I am now, and barring anything miraculously horrible, I will always like and trust him more than almost any other elected official.

Peace to you, Jim.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
262. Thanks for the clarification. I'll plead that the circumstances led me to being confused.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 10:21 PM
Jul 2016

The chief circumstance here is the overall tenor of DU these days. It ain't what it was, to put it mildly.

Peace back atcha!

Response to Cali_Democrat (Original post)

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
127. He deserved it.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 02:37 PM
Jul 2016

"The goal isn't to win elections, the goal is to transform America," Sanders said at one point, according to multiple lawmakers and aides in the room.

How could he not get booed after saying something so stupid, ridiculous and outrageous?

Oh, Sanders, having trump winning the WH will sure "transform America"

This is unbelievable

Response to lunamagica (Reply #127)

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
133. "Sen.Bernie Sanders is still talking like a guy who's running for president."
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 02:43 PM
Jul 2016

Actually, he sounds like a guy who thinks he won the primary.

raindaddy

(1,370 posts)
141. With Sanders it's all about the issues he believes will benefit the millions of people...
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 02:55 PM
Jul 2016

who support him.

Looks like many House Democrats are more concerned about pleasing their constants and railroading issues like the TPP, healthcare for all and a $15 dollar minimum wage....

Hillary has a lot of work ahead of her when it comes to convincing Sanders supporters she cares about the issues that are important to them...

raincity_calling

(154 posts)
146. Bernie's endgame and an endorsement
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 03:07 PM
Jul 2016

All Bernie supporters understand Bernie's endgame and why he hasn't felt compelled to endorse. For those of you who still don't understand, I recommend you check this out.



I think those who booed him are ignorant. Bernie said he will vote for her (fighting against Trump). Why does he need to actually endorse her? He continues to focus on progressive issues, which is fighting against Trump. I think those who are focusing on Bernie's endorsement rather than issues hurt Hillary more than anything else.

lapucelle

(18,037 posts)
163. Not this again.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 03:54 PM
Jul 2016

Saying it's an endgame doesn't make it an endgame. This is not strategy on the part of Sanders. It's a slow drift into nothingness.

Sanders had a very uncomfortable interview on CNN today in which he was repeatedly asked in what way an endorsement for Hillary would be counterproductive to his platform agenda. Sanders didn't have an answer.

It also doesn't help that some of Sanders partisans are still calling for the prosecution of a person who committed no crime because they perceive that it would somehow work to their political advantage. What kind of people do that?


Jackilope

(819 posts)
148. If they booed Corporate Sponsorship and ownership of themselves...
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 03:21 PM
Jul 2016

.... that'd be encouraging and noble.

Sanders energized and has gotten many involved in the political process. People frustrated and with darn good reason. When Democrats boo Sanders and his ideas, they are illustrating that no real change is wanted or will be done.

I have been putting off changing my registration from D to I, just to see if there is any movement left. The boos are red flags to me. The meme pushed about "Bernie ego or in it for him" is also driving me away. I know he is in it to fight for us. The real enemy is the Corporate ownership of both parties. The EGO would be the candidates that sell themselves out and will water down regulation, push fracking kick the can on climate change further down the road, knife us in the back with TPP. They are the ones in it for themselves.



LakeArenal

(28,713 posts)
152. I think everyone is reading this all wrong
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 03:29 PM
Jul 2016

First I think it makes the Hillary camp look like sore winners. To boo anyone is disrespectful. I loved Clinton. Back in 2012 I had a "Clinton 2016" sign in my yard. Even then I thought she is in the pocket of big business. Bernie came along and said all the things I want to hear from a candidate. Many things such as one payer are things Clinton used to stand for.

Now what I think is, Bernie has met with Hillary and they have discussed just exactly how things should play out. They are all showmen. They are going to build the Bernie endorsement up with a big crescendo. Like at the convention, when there is a lot of airtime, drama and pathos.. Bernie is going to surrender with all the pomp and circumstance the new queen deserves. She is going to accept his endorsement on a grand stage. There will be a lot of sweet talk and love.

If the party is divided, it's not Bernie's fault. Contrary to what some Dems think, we aren't sheep. We want to hear the party platform take on as many of Bernie's stances as possible. When others boo, I feel they are booing me.. This continuous dismissal of Bernie Sanders gets under my skin. The boo crowd divides me from them not uniting. We will all support Clinton in the end.. Just hold your water and hold out a welcoming hand.

Squinch

(50,773 posts)
326. The party is NOT divided. One candidate won. 82% of the losing candidate's supporters
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 04:12 PM
Jul 2016

moved to supporting that winning candidate. That is a historically high number at this point in the election.

The party is NOT divided.

And here's the thing: Hillary won. She has a platform. That is the platform that won. Of course you want to hear the party platform take on as many of Bernie's stances as possible. But that is not how it works. The majority do not have to do what you want, and the majority do not have to sacrifice their winning platform for the loser's losing platform.

Hillary has already given more concessions to the loser than any candidate in recent memory. To give any more would change her winning platform into his losing one. It would lose her more votes than it would gain her, because the 18% of BS supporters who are not now supporting Hillary are, by definition, an unviable fringe.

jamese777

(546 posts)
156. Potentially Bernie has a lot to lose
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 03:32 PM
Jul 2016

If he fails to endorse the party's nominee at some point in time and tbe nominee is elected president, as party leader the new president could ensure that the new Senate minority or majority leader, Chuck Schumer strips Senator Sanders of his ranking member or Chair position on the vitally important Senate Budget Committee.

Squinch

(50,773 posts)
193. Hillary wouldn't do that. Other Democrats might, though. BS doesn't have many friends in Congress.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 05:48 PM
Jul 2016
 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
164. The House Democrats need to sharpen up and start understanding what this movement is.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 03:59 PM
Jul 2016

Booing the man still fighting for progressive change is a bad move on several levels. Way to alienate your voters, guys. This is not how you win elections, and we really need some big Democratic wins this year.

Squinch

(50,773 posts)
192. Bernie needs to sharpen up and start understanding what this movement isn't.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 05:47 PM
Jul 2016

And the voters are not alienated. The party is overwhelmingly united behind Hillary. Including 82% of BS supporters.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
284. I hate to break it to you, but that percentage is hardly credited, coming from just one source.
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 01:46 AM
Jul 2016

Other polls suggested that as many as 40 % of Bernie supporters (especially the independents among them) might go third party or sit the election out. That demonstrates a voter alienation. Sure, the party is uniting behind Clinton, but the party accounts for just 30 % of the electorate.

It's a good thing Bernie is keeping the movement together: if it breaks, say hello to president Trump (who is sometimes tying Clinton in the national polls).

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
166. I'm not too worried... yet
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 04:05 PM
Jul 2016

I see why they're frustrated, but as long as he throws in his support for Clinton after the convention makes it official, we'll probably be alright. A couple of his statements seemed a little out of touch with reality though, like his comment on elections and the FBI investigation. He seems to have a case of political tunnel vision.

169. I've heard before that the political system can be a bit like high school...
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 04:26 PM
Jul 2016

where there are cliques and things like that.

Booing on a large scale could be akin to peer pressure.

It's hard to blaze your own path. It's hard to stand for what you believe in when what you believe in is perhaps different than most. But it's also important to stand for what you believe in. Sanders is accustomed to setting is own path. He ran for congress as an independent (democratic socialist), which put him far outside the norm. He overcame that. I'm sure it may be a point of contention among his peers at times though, despite caucusing with them. It's clearly a point of contention here at times.

The guy at least has solid reasons for supporting her while not flat-out endorsing her. If he flat-out endorses her he loses any sort of ability to speak to what the democratic platform should be (in my opinion) and essentially says "I support everything Clinton does from here on out through November."

I believe that Clinton is only poo-pooing TPP until November. If Sanders feels similarly, perhaps that's why he's reluctant to endorse her.

I found this article to be rather insightful into his thought process. Bernie Sanders Explains The Difference Between "Endorsing" And "Voting For" Hillary Clinton - Politico

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
199. for not surprising since they didn't support him to begin with
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 06:14 PM
Jul 2016

so this isn't really news. Although it might hurt them in November. I hope not but it could. I know people who will not vote for any Democrat State on down to local that does not support Sanders. I don't hold that view as strict.

 

Yallow

(1,926 posts)
215. Our Government Is Completely Corrupt, And Dems Boo The One Talking About Fixing It
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 07:28 PM
Jul 2016

I am sure these dems are saying to themselves "screw the progressives, we can get Wall Street to fund our campaigns, and give us lobbying jobs when we are booted from office" or something like that. So what if we lose another 100 House seats. We will be "richly rewarded" for doing our part to pass TPP, and the next Wall Street handout bill.

Bernie is trying to save the Democratic Party.

Anyone who disagrees should ask themselves why half the people who can vote don't.

Corporate sellout Dems or Republicans are the same in the non voter's eyes. These folks figure/understand they are screwed regardless who is elected so why bother.

And they are half right.

klook

(12,134 posts)
265. Shhh...don't mess up the narrative!
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 10:42 PM
Jul 2016

If such a thing had taken place, any Democrat who'd boo a Democratic presidential candidate would deserve rebuke.

sammcgee68

(17 posts)
221. Do not Dismiss Us
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 08:00 PM
Jul 2016

Davidthegnome has expressed my beliefs entirely and more eloquently than I ever could. When these comments goes off into some anti Bernie tangent (Save all the hate for the Trump rallies) I do take this hard, After this long the working class people in this country do need some respect from the Democratic party . You know how the middle class has been treated by the Democratic elites for the past 20 years. ( Read Listen Liberal by Frank Thomas if you need to be educated on this fact.) Bernie Sanders has given this Working Class Hero some respect that the Democrat party has not recently given him. .The working class wants a stake in the future of this country and Bernie has been working towards this goal for many years . For this reason , hopefully you can understand our passion, it is not a fluke , he is not a Messiah. I will not actively campaign for her as I did for Bernie I will not walk the walk or talk the talk for Hillary. But I accept the math and will vote for her come November, because the alternative is too bleak to even consider if Trump is elected. Do not sweep us under the rug or dismiss our ideas and beliefs. We want some R E S P E C T and a say in the future of this (Hopefully) great country. I live in Ohio and I hear the talk, You dismiss the working Class people in this country at your own Peril.

retrowire

(10,345 posts)
225. I stand with Bernie.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 08:08 PM
Jul 2016

It is not self obsession that guides him. People can paint him that way if they want but that's certainly not the case.

Everyone can stop trying to tear this man down now, Hillary got the win ok?

ETA: And you know what? Bernie endorsing Hillary would NOT magically create party unity. It wouldn't. The divide is too wide. It will take a while. And an endorsement from Bernie would not be a cure.

Peregrine Took

(7,408 posts)
231. Bitter ole boobirds aren't worthy to clean out his spittoon
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 08:36 PM
Jul 2016

if he had one.
Wish they had had the balls to stand up and stand out for their principles if they had them.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
239. Making changes is achieved by working with others to get good ideas passed, it is not achieved by
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 09:06 PM
Jul 2016

working in small numbers, ergo, electing Democrats on every level make progressive considered by more people.

 

fbc

(1,668 posts)
249. Those that boo'd should stand up and admit it
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 09:21 PM
Jul 2016

And the true progressives in this party will make sure they are serving their last terms.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
253. I see he's still making a difference!
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 09:27 PM
Jul 2016

Now that the election has deflated down to nothing but "Trump makes stupid statement about Hillary" it's good to remember there is someone who cares about important things..... and some Dems need to go.

DianaForRussFeingold

(2,552 posts)
258. They booed one of the most loved, honest politicians, ever!
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 09:54 PM
Jul 2016
He was the only politician like FDR and Kennedy when he speaks, a truly great man with a love for all people and the courage to stand up to the rich and powerful.

4 minute clip at Liberty University


 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
264. "like FDR and Kennedy"
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 10:39 PM
Jul 2016
https://www.buzzfeed.com/ilanbenmeir/bernie-sanders-despised-democrats-in-1980s-said-a-jfk-speech

Vermont senator and Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders once said that he was “physically nauseated” by a speech made by President John F. Kennedy when Sanders was a young man, because Kennedy’s “hatred for the Cuban Revolution […] was so strong.”

DianaForRussFeingold

(2,552 posts)
273. !
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 11:28 PM
Jul 2016

I'm sure he didn't agree with FDR on the internment of Japanese Americans-- But let's talk about what we all agree on..trying to stop Trump from becoming President! http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512242525

 

reign88

(64 posts)
263. Yeah...
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 10:23 PM
Jul 2016

Let's all boo a man who's done nothing but state what he believes the entire time. He's doing exactly what he told people he would do for ,onths now, and now because he's not the liar we are all used to seeing, we're angry?

It's unreal. We hate him because he's doing what he said and because he's not the typical slimy politician who says one thing while convenient, and when he loses, changes to the new flavor of the day.

That's just...depressing.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
283. Way to get someone to do what you'd like!
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 01:35 AM
Jul 2016


Democrats praised Sanders to the skies until he had the "nerve" to run in a Democratic primary for which they had other plans.

Do they think booing Sanders will get him to do what they want or attract his supporters, many of whom left the Democratic party before he ran or were indifferent to politics because they believed in no politician?

Self defeating conduct is not usually something smart people use or cheer.
 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
298. Bernie's window of opprtunity is closing fast.
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 07:26 AM
Jul 2016

If he doesn't tame his raging ego and concede to endorse Clinton within the next few days, he'll have no power in the Senate and no influence in the new Clinton administration. And rightly so.

seabeckind

(1,957 posts)
300. Says it all, doesn't it?
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 08:43 AM
Jul 2016

Bernie wants to talk about process and issues,

met with deaf ears by those who boo him cause he's not a team player.

Not because of his message because they never hear the message. He tries to bring up what he sees as problems facing the country and they chant timeline at him.

I think they would be more successful if they listened and provided an adult debate.

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