Dallas Gunman Learned Tactics At Texas Self-Defense School

[DonViejo]

Source: Associated Press

By REESE DUNKLIN, JULIET LINDERMAN Published JULY 10, 2016, 8:58 AM EDT

DALLAS (AP) — The gunman who killed five police officers at a protest march had practiced military-style drills in his yard and trained at a private self-defense school that teaches special tactics, including "shooting on the move," a maneuver in which an attacker fires and changes position before firing again.

Micah Johnson, an Army veteran, received instruction at the Academy of Combative Warrior Arts in the Dallassuburb of Richardson about two years ago, said the school's founder and chief instructor, Justin J. Everman.

Everman's statement was corroborated by a police report from May 8, 2015, when someone at a business a short distance away called in a report of several suspicious people in a parked SUV.

The investigating officer closed the case just minutes after arriving at a strip mall. While there, the officer spoke to Johnson, who said he "had just gotten out of a class at a nearby self-defense school." Johnson told the officer he was "waiting for his dad to arrive" and pick up his brother. No one else was apparently questioned.

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Read more: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/dallas-gunman-self-defense-school

[Hoyt]

1. These "schools" are proof enough we've gone way too far with guns in this country.

[Duckhunter935]

2. Should paintball be banned?

[Hoyt]

3. Not necessarily, but tactical, urban warfare training darn sure should be.

[Duckhunter935]

4. That's part of paintball

Tactics, you should ban it

[Hoyt]

7. Paintball my rear. This is the kind of crud we are talking about. Stop the gunner obfuscation.

[tonyt53]

76. Exactly. That type of facility has but one purpose and that is to train people to kill.

How fucked up is that anyway?

[Hoyt]

77. Quite fucked up, that's why gunners deny it exists. Zimmerman took a course like this, and they

are all over the country.

One major instructor often quoted by gun fanciers -- Massad Ayoob -- is the self-defense guru for thousands of disproportionately white gunners that he caters to who are afraid of, or just hate, minorities.

[friendly_iconoclast]

78. The Dallas gunman was black, so so much for your racist theories and segregated pictures

Last edited Mon Jul 11, 2016, 11:27 PM - Edit history (1)

[Hoyt]

79. So what, he probably got into guns to protect himself from predominantly white wing racist gunners.

Did it make you happy when it didn't turn out to be like most the mass shooters?

[friendly_iconoclast]

80. Since you did not actually know that person, your surmise is mere telepsychology

Remind us, if you would-where did you get your degree in telepsychology?
And what states are you licensed to practice in?


For that matter-why would he be afraid of white, non-police, gun owners?
Most murder victims are killed by someone who looks like them:

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/expanded-homicide-data/expanded_homicide_data_table_6_murder_race_and_sex_of_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2014.xls

So much for your "right-wing crud" nonsense:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1514529

That "own race" junk is right wing crud.

Remind us again, if you would-where did you get your degree in telepsychology?

And what states are you licensed to practice in?

[Hoyt]

81. I know gunners and posters who ask questions like you. They are all over Internet with same junk.

[friendly_iconoclast]

82. Better uncomfortable truths than willful ignorance.

[Hoyt]

83. The uncomfortable truth with guns is that most serious gun owners are white wing racists.

I'm not talking about someone with a gun or two for hunting that could perform for home defense in unlikely event it's needed, or a target shooter. Beyond that, it's a high percentage.

[friendly_iconoclast]

84. That is a racist statement, with no basis in reality

[Hoyt]

85. I know, gunners are so persecuted for their bad habits and pollution of society with lethal weapons

and hatred.

[friendly_iconoclast]

86. Hoyt, you're a racist. You assign nefarious motives to entire groups because of their skin color

Hell, you've even got a segregated photo collection. So, no, I will no more let you get
away with your bullshit than I would Trump, or the even more vile Pamela Geller.

Your schtick differs from theirs only in your choice of group to demonize.

[Hoyt]

89. No, I am "bigoted" against gunners, particularly white wing racist gunners and haters.

That encompasses the majority of gun fanciers, NRA types, and those who fight loudly for the so-called "civil rights" of owning as many guns as they can accumulate.

[Duckhunter935]

101. Thank you

The posts he has here really seem to prove your point

[AntiBank]

88. I almost never get involved in these gun anti gun rants BUT

your statement is just ludicrous and racist

you are embarrassing yourself

[Hoyt]

90. Maybe you ought to get involved in ending crud like this:

[friendly_iconoclast]

91. What 'crud' would that be? A whites-only picture collection?

[Hoyt]

92. That's pretty much what you get when you search for gun toters, gun shows, gun stores, etc.

[friendly_iconoclast]

93. I did the following Google GIS, and got 16 persons of color with guns (most African American)...

...from the first page alone:

https://www.google.com/search?q=%22gun+owners%22&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj3q7ml0u7NAhUDhZAKHRRoBWcQ_AUICSgC&biw=1536&bih=731&dpr=1.25#imgrc=_

So what you claim is untrue- you have chosen to ONLY post photos of whites with guns.

How very racist of you.

[Hoyt]

94. Exactly, a bunch of white wingers including these guys:

?w=735&h=941

[friendly_iconoclast]

95. Why do you edit out persons of color from your photo repostings?

[Hoyt]

96. Because, there aren't very many. Those that are, are more likely models than anything.

[oneshooter]

97. So you admit that you edit out POC that legaly carry firearms.

Because"there aren't very many. Those that are, are more likely models than anything."

How very progressive of you.

[Hoyt]

98. No, I mean they don't show up promoting guns often, and you know it. Guns are marketed to

white wingers and folks who are attracted to stuff like this:






You might be interested in this article:

White Men and Their Guns

http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/154225

The issue, really, is why so many white middle-American men view any effort to regulate firearms as an assault on their very identity -- and thus fight sane and rational laws as if their lives and liberties were at stake. . . . . . .

"So guns are no longer merely functional hardware for the enjoyment of outdoor sports and hunting. Increasingly they [guns] have become something else: totems of manhood and symbols of identity for a cohort of white, middle-American, rural and exurban men.


"Consider the ads that gun manufacturers run to lure their buyers. Glock guns give men "confidence to live your life." The Walther PPX handgun is "Tough. Very Tough." The Tavor Semi-Automatic Rifle, gripped menacingly by a faceless man wearing a sniper's jacket and shooting gloves, will restore the "balance of power" to anyone holding the gun.

"Ads often invite men to imagine themselves as warriors in camouflage taking on a hostile world. Buying a Bushmaster semi-automatic "confirms that you are a Man's Man, the last of a dying breed, with all the rights and privileges duly afforded."
- See more at: http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/154225#sthash.zCa3om4w.dpuf

[oneshooter]

99. Lets look at the playback.

friendly_iconoclast (13,327 posts)
95. Why do you edit out persons of color from your photo repostings?

Hoyt (26,961 posts)
96. Because, there aren't very many. Those that are, are more likely models than anything.

That looks like an admission that you do edit POC form your photographs.

Any further denials from you?

[Hoyt]

100. No, it means there aren't very many and white wingers are the ones buying gunz

and arming up.

[Duckhunter935]

103. So you lied when you said you edited people of color from your posts?

You just keep making yourself look worse and really shoud stop.

[Duckhunter935]

102. So you have an agenda that sure appears to be racist

That is just sick and should be condemned.

[Hoyt]

104. You feel I'm "decriminating" against you?

[Duckhunter935]

105. Not me

Nothing you have posted in this thread is directed strictly at me.

[LanternWaste]

73. Your Reductio ad absurdums are bemusing to read...

Your Reductio ad absurdums are bemusing to read... the irony being you think it's a valid point rather than a logical fallacy.

[Duckhunter935]

75. You know we also used plastic rifles to practice

Cover, concealment and movement tactics when I was in the military. Should we ban those? You do not need a live weapon to do this practice.

[DemMomma4Sanders]

5. Only cops and the military should have guns...cause they're so responsible.

BS things politicians with armed bodyguards say

[Hoyt]

8. Yeah, well these guys shouldn't have them either.

?fit=646%2C514&resize=350%2C200

[Duckhunter935]

9. Well, get started banning them

The process is clear.

[Hoyt]

10. Yep, elect Clinton and let's get more Justice Stevens types on the Supreme Court.

[Duckhunter935]

11. We shall see

I want to be a fly on the wall on how they plan to confiscate 300 million weapons. Should be an interesting conversation.

[Hoyt]

14. I'd think all you self-proclaimed "law-abiding" gun owners would comply.We don't need a complete ban

Probably best thing, but I'm fine with allowing a gun or two AT HOME for hunting and self-defense. Other than that, we've let this crud get out of hand to pacify/coddle a bunch of mostly right wing NRA types.

[Duckhunter935]

30. Then you will not end anything

To stop this, you need to ban and confiscate firearms. Yo include most police officers.

[jberryhill]

52. No you don't

You don't have to confiscate them.

Here's the thing. If you can't take them out on the range, and you don't want to be caught transporting one if, say, you are in an accident or pulled over for a violation, then the ability to move about freely with these weapons becomes more difficult.

That guy who was lawfully carrying his weapon during the Dallas protest would not be mistaken for the shooter, because he wouldn't be parading around with it.

The mobility of these weapons becomes restricted when nobody has to guess if you are a "lawful carrier" or some nut who is going to open fire on a crowd in a few seconds.

[Duckhunter935]

53. But murderers

Don't care about laws or getting caught. You would just make millions of previously law abiding citizens criminals. Good job.

[jberryhill]

56. You seem to have not understood the point

They aren't going to spend their time at Camp Shootsalot perfecting their technique. They aren't going to have range time with these weapons. If they are pulled over for running a stop sign and it's on the back seat, no one has to wait until he goes and shoots someone.

Where are all the Thompson automatic weapons the mob had several decades ago? You think these people lined up and turned them in? But isn't it weird that you never see a tommy gun used in a crime anymore?

Why do you suppose that is? Did all the tommy guns just evaporate or what?

[Duckhunter935]

57. There actually were not many of them in civilian hands

Quite expensive. You can do the same tactical training with a paint ball gun or a pellet gun. I assume, those would still be legal.

[hack89]

72. How hard is it to conceal a weapon in a car?

let me guess - stop and frisk on a massive scale?

[7962]

33. Sorry, but this one wont. And you can bet NONE of the criminal element would.

Its just like nukes, the cats outta the bag. If we never had any guns to start with, of course there'd be less trouble. But they're HERE and even a ban would just make it more likely that criminals would have them.
If its mostly the "right wing" types, how can you explain 300 million + weapons out there? Because only 1/4 ID themselves as "conservatives", so obviously there are a lot of US who also own them.

[Hoyt]

39. Yeah, thanks to those like you, there will be 300 Million more of the darn guns in 25

years to deal with when we finally bite the bullet like Australia in 1996, and most civilized countries.

[7962]

46. Australia now has pretty much the same number of guns as when the buyback started.

Bet you didnt know that, did you?
And the large majority of guns turned in during the buybacks were rifles and shotguns, not handguns.
And the biggest amount of gun crime here is from handguns.
And a lot of countries with the toughest laws also have the worst crime.

Maybe when our population as a whole becomes as civilized as Australia we will have less people buying guns.

Besides, I mostly have a weapon because I often carry large sums of money as part of 1 of my jobs.

[hunter]

42. Don't fuck with my nukes, man.

I'll decide if and when I need to vaporize a city in self defense, not you, not anyone else.

.

.

.

[Hoppy]

22. Difficult, but simple.

Identify the weapons and circumstances under which the gun will not be allowed.

Year one: You get a bounty for turning in your gun. Maybe a range from $50.00 to $1,000.00, depending on the weapon.

Year two: You can turn the gun in without penalty but no bounty.

Year three: If you are found with a prohibited weapon or one is found in conjunction with a valid search, automatic 5 years. That will get the support of the prison industry which seems to have as much political pull as the gun industry.

[IthinkThereforeIAM]

40. Excellent...

... I submit that Hoppy be appointed director of ATF.

[Hoppy]

48. --- better get working on this before I get kicked off. I have two posts hidden.

You might consider changing your avatar to Monty Python's, "I drink, therefore, I am."

[IthinkThereforeIAM]

60. Well...

... I haven't had an alcoholic drink or beer in 5 1/2 years. But something needs to be done, and for loss of any other ideas in this thread at the time, your proposals look good.

[Hoyt]

49. I wish.

[Hoyt]

18. I guess intimidation and training to kill is OK with you. Most of those losers are arming up

and training to intimidate, shoot, control those they fear -- minorities.

[DemMomma4Sanders]

21. OH yes because your narrative is BS

People aren't out shooting up minorities.

99% of those killed in Chicago, detroit are killed by members of their own race.

Nice try though.

Most gunowners have no criminal records whatsoever.....Hence the right to own a gun.

[Hoyt]

24. That "own race" junk is right wing crud.

[DemMomma4Sanders]

26. What are you talking about

Even the corporate owned CNN reports the facts.

White people have nohing to do with 99% of inner city violence that is created IN THE CITY.

Or are you trying to say that somehow a white dude is responsible when a black kid shoots another black kid because he is jealous over the new pair of Nikes?

[Hoyt]

29. Facts can be used in a right wing context, and you just did so.

[friendly_iconoclast]

61. More like: "Facts got in the way of a racist screed against white gun owners, therefore...

...I'll impugn the motives of the person who brought up an inconvenient truth"

[Hoyt]

63. About what I would expect from most Gungeoneers.

[beevul]

67. Only because responding to you generally warrants a dose of facts sent your direction. N/t

[Hoyt]

68. As usual, you missed the point, or should I say target.

[beevul]

69. Did I?

Maybe that's because I wasn't looking for a point from you, nor was I reading in case the stars had magically aligned and you had made one.

No.


I was making a point hoyt. The point was:

Maybe you expect what you expect from 'most gungeoneers', because you get what you get behaving the way you do.

Most people get that clue the minute they become blocked from a completely inclusive group, for obvious objectively bad behavior.

[Duckhunter935]

64. Those pesky facts

[Hoyt]

66. Another Gungeoneer using so-called "facts"to promote guns and fear of minorities.

[beevul]

70. Says the guy who lumps a murdered black man in MN, in with mcveigh and lanza.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7997480

[Duckhunter935]

71. Who is PROMOTING guns?

Please just stop

[Duckhunter935]

32. So who is doing the murdering

In Chicago and Detroit? Of course we are all just the human race.

[friendly_iconoclast]

62. The 'right-wing' FBI has the numbers- and they don't support your interlocutor's worldview:

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/expanded-homicide-data/expanded_homicide_data_table_6_murder_race_and_sex_of_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2014.xls

[7962]

34. Correct. The HUGE majority of murders of both races are by their own race.

93 per cent of black victims were killed by blacks and 84 per cent of white victims were killed by whites.

We dont even want to start with the inter-racial rate differences, or heads will begin to explode

[Judi Lynn]

51. People with functioning brains would agree with you, recognizing the truth. n/t

[R.A. Ganoush]

38. Ya know what the sad thing is Hoyt

I actually like and agree with your posts on economics and trade, but I can't bring myself to post anything in support of you because you're such an asshat about guns.

I don't even own any, but it's people like you that makes me want to buy several. Just because I know it would fucking tweak you out.

And not just that, I'd even consider finding some land for sale in your neck of the woods, buying it and setting up my own range and practicing all damn day...again just to grate on your nerves.

Then I'd stop by when I'm done to share a few beers with you. I'd come unarmed of course because i respect other people's property rights. I would however bring some canned beans in a pillowcase and a bicycle tire just for shits and giggles.

[Paladin]

45. You'd better get some guns, posthaste.

You've clearly got the attitude for it, unfortunately......

[R.A. Ganoush]

54. Lol not really, I come for the articles but stay for the flame wars

I will admit it is maddeniing. In real life no one can be that hyperbolic and expect to receive any respect from someone with an opposing viewpoint.

[Hoyt]

55. You don't own any gunz. LMAO. Anyone who makes fun of beans and bike tires, probably

bathes with his guns on.

[R.A. Ganoush]

59. Lol, that's honestly funny

You're still an ass, but you are entertaining.

[Yallow]

6. They Don't Join Militias To Play Checkers

Shooting "them" is what it's all about.

Whoever the hell "them" is.

For many Cops = Guvvmint

[DemMomma4Sanders]

17. I think "them" is pretty much clarified.

as anyone who wants to take constitutional rights away from Americans.

[Yallow]

23. Our Constitution Has Been Toilet Paper For A Long Time

Warrantless wiretapping, illegal seizure, unprosecuted murders, you name it.

Our citizens have not had any real "rights" for a looooong time.

We can pretend we do though!

[DemMomma4Sanders]

27. Hence why he country is veering far right.

People tend to veer right right before they deal with the eliteswho have terrorized them for so long.

Read any history book to fact check that

[billh58]

87. Well, you certainly have

"veered" haven't you? Aren't you late for a Trump rally?

[sarisataka]

35. So if you can't beat 'em, join 'em

In trampling rights?

And no I am not only speaking of the Second Amendment.

[hunter]

43. The second amendment is bullshit.

An ugly relic of the eighteenth century, just as slavery was.

It's always been about a mob of white guys who can be called upon to further oppress the oppressed.

Indians causing trouble, workers striking, slaves rebelling. Call the moron white guys with guns.

The second amendment wasn't written for people of color or wage slaves.

[sarisataka]

44. Does that mean

We should have simply run roughshod over the 1st 4th and 5th?

[Marengo]

47. Why are people of color and wage slaves allowed to purchase firearms?

[hunter]

50. So they can get even?

Gun love "logic" is entirely beyond my understanding.

The "self defense" argument is especially absurd.

Disregarding my own sordid experiences with gun violence, how is it that Ronald Reagan got shot? How is it that any armed and supposedly well trained police officer gets shot? Hint: Bad guys shoot first.

I dare say if you shoot first then you are probably the bad guy.

Guns are fucking useless for most purposes claimed for them.

I'm a cold berserker bastard when everything is turning to shit, which is why I'm a pacifist; by necessity, not inclination. That's my mom's family. Berserkers, the whole lot of them. My mom's dad was a conscientious objector in World War II. He built and repaired ships for the Merchant Marine as an alternative to prison.

My other grandfather was an Army Air Force officer in the war. He wanted to fly airplanes and other romantic shit but his mad skills dealing with eccentric scientists, artists, and other engineers kept him mostly on the ground here in the U.S.A.. He didn't talk about the war. Sometime during the war he picked up a knack with exotic metals and later became an engineer for the Apollo Project. He'd always talk about the Apollo Project, he made some bits of metal that took men to the moon and back, and some of those bits of metal are in the Smithsonian. He chose not to talk about bits of metal designed to kill people.

My dad, and my wife's dad were both military medical people. They were not itching to shoot anyone. My wife's dad was used as a human guinea pig, probably because his parents were Mexican and Native American, so he got to witness an atomic bomb explosion up close from a hole in the ground, and then march across ground zero while everything was still hot. My dad was a nearsighted Radar O'Reilly clerk, extra large. Uncle Sam paid for our fathers university educations, my wife's dad ultimately a ranger for the National Park Service, my dad an artist. Both of them teachers along the way. Zero gun love passed on.

My dad's favorite cousin married a celebrated Army shooter. He trained Olympians. When I was a kid he had a buffalo head on the wall of his living room, an animal he'd shot himself, hunting with his dad. For the vast majority of his life now, he's considered himself a lover, not a fighter or a hunter.

I'm a hunter because that's my name. Oh well.

I've hunted too, but frankly I'm happier as mostly vegetarian. My wife is entirely vegetarian, but I'll eat meat when others are serving it, especially fish or animals they caught themselves.

My great grandparents were ranchers and dairy people. My niece thinks goats, meat and dairy, are the future of livestock.

I think my brother's wife, in our highly matriarchal family, is probably the official separator of guns from their fools. Fortunately she hasn't had reason, not that she'd talk about it.

[Marengo]

65. You claimed THE 2A wasn't written for people of color, as if to suggest they were currently...

Prohibited from exercising the right. As for your family history, who cares? Their, and your, experiences and attitudes not universal. Yet it seems you flog it at every available opportunity. Other than perhaps as to understand how your own viewpoint developed, it's ponderous and irrelevant. Almost as if you think your family history is so much more sophisticated and interesting than any other. It's not. To the subject of guns, you are claiming they are useless for self defense? I can tell you from personal experience that is false. Which one of us is right?

[Hoppy]

12. Hi. I'm Justin J. Everman and I was Micah Johnson's intructor in urban warfare.

Notice how skilled Johnson was in tricking police to believe there were multiple shooters on the scen-- (sorry) theater of battle. Johnson was one of my best pupils. Well guess what? You can be one too!

The N.R.A. has given my school a "5 Star Patriot" rating. Gun manufacturers think we're a credit to the U.S. The K.K.K. loved us but not so much now as Micah ---- well, you know---- they think we shouldn'ta taught him nothin'.


Anyways, in honor of our most famous graduate, we are offering a special for this week, only. Sign up for 10 weeks of lessons on the care, operation and use of a grenade launcher and get one free grenade launcher upon graduation. Remember, its harder to miss with a grenade. You only get one or two shots with a grenade launcher but that all you need.


Remember our motto: It only takes one good man with a grenade launcher or napalm flame thrower to stop whoever you don't like.

Your Buddy For Freedom and the 2nd. Amendment,

Justin

[Hoyt]

16. LOL. Folks ran out to buy guns just like Adam Lanza's, etc., after Sandy Hook. They'll go for the

combat training too. Lots of sickos in our society and a lot of them are into guns and hatred. Oh, and let's not forget those who profit off guns and hatred.

[DemMomma4Sanders]

19. Sicko's! You think people are sick for wanting to defend the selves from a government

that justifies torturing innocents at guantanamo bay?

Patriot act, Nsa, Political corruption........all illegal treasonous acts!

THIS IS WHY PEOPLE VALUE THE RIGHT TO DEFEND OURSELVES.

[Hoyt]

20. Give me a break. That's BS and will get us nowhere. Those folks buying guns

after Sandy Hook were mostly white wing racists.

[Hoyt]

31. You are just gonna keep pushing the right wing envelope, aren't you?

[hill2016]

36. you have obviously never fired a 40mm automatic grenade launcher

I have. those things are used against area targets instead of point targets because they are rather inaccurate

If I had to engage someone 100 yards out I would use an AR15 instead of a grenade launcher.

On the other hand if I had to engage an entrenched section, the AGL is more handy.

[ret5hd]

41. You're like the guy that explains why the...

horse can't enter the bar, the rabbi wouldn't buy a round of drinks and the caterpillar couldn't sit on the barstool.

on edit: and all for the purpose of demonstrating your superior knowledge of health regulations/religion/entomology.

[Hoppy]

58. Thanks for saving me the time for a response.

[onehandle]

13. Gun culture feeds domestic terrorism. nt

[DemMomma4Sanders]

25. Gun culture is fed by a government that terrorizes its citizens.

Tuskeegee, Dropping bioweapons serratia off the coast of california, sterilizing innocent women in propison because they were poor etc.

[alcibiades_mystery]

37. We're ruled by gun nut shitheads and paranoids

Pray God you don't have to bury your children behind these stupidities.

[Sunlei]

74. IMO this is a new way for some people to 'suicide' and take others with them.