Giuliani To Black Parents: 'Teach Your Children To Be Respectful To The Police'

[TomCADem]

Source: Talking Points Memo

Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani argued Sunday, in addressing the two shootings in which police officers shot and killed two black men, that black families should teach their children to "be respectful to the police."

Giuliani commented on the shootings in Dallas where five police officers were shot, and the deaths of Alton Sterling and Philando Castile during an appearance on CBS' "Face The Nation." He said his "deep sympathy" goes out to the families of the victims in those shootings.

Then, he argued that there was "too much" violence in the black community and that there were some black men and boys who feared being confronted by the police given the recent shootings.

"If you want to deal with this on the black side, you've got to teach your children to be respectful to the police and you've got to teach your children that the real danger to them is not the police, the real danger to them 99 out of 100 times, 9,900 out of 1,000 times are other black kids who are going to kill them," Giuliani said. "That's the way they're going to die."

Read more: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/giuliani-black-families-respect-police

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I guess Giulani's rationale is that the reason why the two black men were shot was because they were not sufficiently respectful.

[Chemisse]

1. And while you're at it, tell your daughters not to wear short skirts.

Because it's really the victim's fault, of course.

[no_hypocrisy]

2. Like Abner Louima?

"It's Giuliani time!"

On August 9, 1997, Louima visited Club Rendez-Vous, a popular nightclub in East Flatbush. Late in the night, he and several other men interceded in a fight between two women. The police were called and several officers from the 70th Precinct were dispatched to the scene. There was a confrontation between the police, patrons and bystanders involved in the scuffle outside the club. The responding patrol officers included; Justin Volpe, Charles Schwarz, Thomas Bruder, and Thomas Wiese, among others. In the ensuing scuffle, Volpe was struck by a "sucker-punch" and identified Louima as his assailant. Volpe arrested Louima on charges of disorderly conduct, obstructing government administration, and resisting arrest. Volpe later admitted he was mistaken about Louima being his assailant.[2]

The arresting officers beat Louima with their fists, nightsticks, and hand-held police radios on the ride to the station.[3] On arriving at the station house, he was strip-searched and put in a holding cell. The beating continued later, culminating with Louima being sexually assaulted in a bathroom at the 70th Precinct station house in Brooklyn. Volpe kicked Louima in the testicles, then, while Louima's hands were cuffed behind his back, he first grabbed onto and squeezed his testicles and then sexually assaulted him with a broomstick. According to trial testimony, Volpe then walked through the precinct holding the bloody, excrement-stained instrument in his hand, bragging to a police sergeant that he "took a man down tonight".[4]

Louima's teeth were also badly damaged in the attack by having the broom handle jammed into his mouth.[5] He testified to the presence of a second officer in the bathroom helping Volpe in the assault but he could not positively identify him. The identity of the second attacker became a point of serious contention during the trial and appeals. Louima also initially claimed that the officers involved in the attack called him a racial slur and shouted, "This is Giuliani-time" during the beating.[6] Louima later recanted this claim, and the reversal was used by defense lawyers to cast doubt on the entirety of his testimony.[7]

The day after the incident, Louima was taken to the emergency room at Coney Island Hospital. Escorting officers explained away his serious injuries being a result of "abnormal homosexual activities". An emergency room nurse, Magalie Laurent, suspecting the nature of Louima's extreme injuries were not the result of homosexual sex, notified Louima's family and the Police Department's Internal Affairs Bureau of the likelihood of sexual assault and battery.[3] The attack left Louima with severe internal damage to his colon and bladder that required three major operations to repair. He was hospitalized for two months after the incident.[2][7]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abner_Louima

[MADem]

3. Hmmm. Seems to me at least SOME of this "violence in the black community"

involves police stopping people for minor issues, finding that Giuliani - demanded "respect" that is proffered insufficient, and demanding SUBMISSION...and then shooting the residents of the community when even the submission they force people into at gunpoint is deemed insufficient.

[Warpy]

9. Submission is what Rudy's really asking for, you nailed that one

Keep your eyes down, shuck and jive, say "yassuh" a lot, convince that asshole cop that you're one of the good ones, you know your place, you are too beaten down to cause any trouble.

Trouble is that the cops are so twitchy these days that even that type of humiliation won't save anybody.

[Happyhippychick]

4. Maybe we should tell our fathers not to cheat on our mothers Rudy. Or is that too close

to home for you?

[puffy socks]

5. Teach police to show some respect.

[Sand Rat Expat]

6. Asshole.

I guess he hasn't seen references to "the talk" that far too many black parents have with their children. "The talk" where they try to make it very plain that black children must be very, very careful in how they deal with police, far more careful than other children.

Imagine trying to tell a child that he must be extra careful, because the police see him as a threat because of his melanin content. Imagine that for a minute, and imagine how a child processes that. Imagine the resentment and bitterness that will result from knowing that police officers view you differently from your peers of other races.

Black parents have to have "the talk" with their children because of the way the police do things, and they may grow up to be fearful of and resentful towards the police, and rightly so. That will show in their interactions with police, which the police will interpret as ill intent, and then you have another shooting that will prompt black parents to have "the talk" with their children.

Giuliani doesn't get it, and never will. Not because he's too stupid to get it, but because he doesn't want to get it.

[chapdrum]

7. With him, it's always about respect.

[TomCADem]

31. The Only Police Reform He Suggest is a Zero Tolerance Policy for Disrespect

If you show disrespect to cops, of if they perceive disrespect, you deserve to get gunned down. Perhaps Giuliani is vying to be Trump's VP?

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/rudy-giuliani-black-kids-have-99percent-chance-of-killing-each-other/ar-BBu9EXi?ocid=iehp

The closest estimate to Giuliani's nonsense numbers is the FBI's 2014 homicide data, which said black victims are killed by other black people 90% of the time. The rate of white-on-white homicide, the stats say, is 82%.

Giuliani's presidential candidate of choice, Donald Trump, last year tweeted the inaccurate claim that the black-on-black murder rate is 97%.

In his Sunday interview, Giuliani proposed no police reforms other than a “zero tolerance” policy toward “disrespect.”

[L. Coyote]

8. My advice, "Teach your children to become police officers."

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And tell them to not shoot white people for no reason when they become the police.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

22. Are you being racist? There was one lone gunman who killed those cops. Black folks don't go

around threatening or killing cops.

[L. Coyote]

24. Are you being racist?

I'm not. Why ask me?

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

25. Because you posted what I feel is a racist comment above me.

Then you turn around and accuse me of doing the same because I called you out on your bullshit. SHAMEFUL!

[L. Coyote]

27. You had a feeling.

??

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

33. I think what you wrote above is racist. You can be a jerk all you want, but you wrote something

racist in that comment.

[Skittles]

36. he's using a reverse analogy

to SHOW racism - I had to read it a couple times before I got it

[L. Coyote]

38. The racism is in your reading. I wrote something cynical and sarcastic, and over your head

obviously.

[Judi Lynn]

49. You didn't get it, apparently.You should realize it's not that hard, does require thought. n/t

[cynzke]

39. Guliani's Comment Is So ABSURD!

Black folks should show more respect? Newsflash to RUDY. Black folks FEAR cops. Why would/SHOULD ANYONE respect bad cops who abuse their power? The driver in St. Paul was showing total respect and cooperation and he got murdered. Guliani is an ASS!

[LoisB]

10. Respectful or fearful? Why is it that people like Rudy think it is always up to

Black people to do something about themselves or change something about themselves? Believe me Rudy, I doubt that very many people (of any hue) walk out of their doors thinking "how can I be disrespectful to cops today?" Black people especially because they don't want to be today's "I feared for my life" victim. How about teaching ALL cops to be respectful of ALL law-abiding citizens regardless of color?

[zwyziec]

11. Just come right out and say it Rudy.....

You really want them to call the police "massa"! Don't you? The Police are the new plantation owners but carrying AR's and miliarized with Dept of Defense weapons.

What else can we expect from "America's Prosecutor".

[deurbano]

12. Maybe he should have taught his own daughter not to steal.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/behind-giuliani-daughter-alleged-shoplifting/

[HockeyMom]

13. I was followed by an NYPD squad car coming home from school

as an 11 year old over 50 years ago. They were shouting "Hey, Baby, want a ride home?", and got much more vulgar. I was a white girl in a Catholic School Uniform. Real Sexy, right???? Both the officers were also white. I "disrespected" them and kept on walking as fast as I could. I told my Dad who ran out of the house and tried to find them. He certainly would have "disrespected" the NYPD if he had found them. Flesh and blood means more than race and authority.

Putting on a Uniform does not ALWAYS make a good person.

[Jopin Klobe]

14. Rational People To Giuliani:

... 'Teach Your Children Not To Marry Their Cousins' ...

[Demonaut]

15. he didn't mention 9/11, he's lost relevance

[Native]

17. Good one!

[NWCorona]

16. Dear Giuliani

[NWCorona]

18. While I don't go to this extreme I agree with Burton

And I'm shocked to find myself agreeing with something Don has to say.

[sulphurdunn]

53. No one should have to literally

or figuratively put his hands up to avoid the possibility of being killed in a routine traffic stop. The total number of police deaths in the line of duty has been about 21,000 since 1791. The worst years for police deaths in the line of duty were 1920-1935 when they averaged more than 200 per year with the worst year being 1930 when 304 officers were killed. It was the worst year in American history. Fatalities declined after that, but spiked again in the 1970s. In 1974, 280 police were killed in the line of duty. Fatalities began to decline again in the 1980s and by 2015 were 123, the lowest level since 1959. There are about 800,000 police with arrest powers in the US. The term 'killed in the line of duty' includes accidental deaths as well as homicides. About half of police fatalities are the result of violent encounters with the populace. Based on the number of fatalities per 100,000 employees, Being a police officer ranks 15th. Although, absolute numbers are unavailable, it is estimated that approximately 1,000 civilians are killed annually by police.

I don't know what if any siginifigance this hours worth of unscientific web browsing bears on anything, but I like to look for patterns in trying to make sense of things. I think I see a correlation between police fatalities and crime rates. Oddly, there appears to be an increase in police killings of civilians while we are experiencing a decline in crime rates and police fatalities are falling. The question then becomes why that would be?

[rladdi]

19. Just what does Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giulani want them to do, kiss

their ass? Rudy is old, senile, like so many of the politicians.

[BumRushDaShow]

21. He wants us to do as he says

not what he encouraged his LEO to do!

[olddad56]

20. who will teach the cops to not kill the black children?

[truthisfreedom]

23. Seriously? He said 9900 out of 1000 times the other black kids will kill you?

Umm, somebody has to teach the former mayor some basic math. He really wasn't paying attention in school.

1000 minus 9900 is -8900. Huh? Is that how many other people will kill you? Negative 8900???

What a fucking moron.

[rock]

26. Bootless

Respect can be given only if earned. Needless to say, w never had my respect.

[3catwoman3]

28. STFU, Rudy.

eom.

[Downtown Hound]

29. Hey ya big meanies! Give Rudy some credit...

After all, this is the first time in 15 years he's been able to form a complete sentence that did not include the words nine and eleven.

[bluestateguy]

30. I teach my children that respect is earned, not given

and that includes people with badges, and politicians.

[TomCADem]

32. Giuliani Is Proposing Zero Tolerance for Disrespect...

...as his only police reform. Earned or not, your children better give respect to police under Giuliani's view of the world if you are black. If you are white, then carry on.

[The Second Stone]

34. News to the Mayor, black parents already teach their children that and don't

need you to condescend to repeat to them the lessons they learned at the knees of their parents and grandparents because it is so necessary.

[Skittles]

35. "deal with this on the black side"

with advice from the asshole side

[adigal]

37. Eric Garner. The man was a wonderful guy, by all accounts

I guess struggling because he couldn't breathe was disrespectful.

If I saw Guiliani out, I'd tell him he is a racist asshole. And my husband was a NYC firefighter on 9/11 and this asshat KNEW the firefighter radios were crap and didn't work more than a few stories away, leading to the deaths of 343 men who couldn't hear orders to evacuate. So screw you, Rudy.

[harrose]

47. And it was the cops under Guiliani who killed him.

He should be in jail as an accomplice to that murder.

[Nac Mac Feegle]

40. Rationality to Giuliani: STFU

Just Shut The F**k Up you whining, incompetent piece of racist shite.

[Democat]

41. Too bad we have to hear from this racist

And other right wingers on every channel every day.

[lark]

42. Go to hell Guiliani.

Quit making the victim the problem, the problem is racist police who give no thought at all to killing a black person. The problem is no training in how to handle escalated situations, the problem is police covering for each other, even when they are the killers. We need body cameras as required equipment, we need zero tolerance for racism, we need better screening to keep racists out of the force and the racists at the top need to be removed. That's what's needed.

[RussBLib]

43. tone deaf and clueless

And like Delray McKesson said on MSNBC while I was at lunch, "The city of New York is lucky to no longer have Rudy Giuliani as their Mayor. He is a disgrace."

[Joe Chi Minh]

44. Wasn't his father involved in organised crime ? An enforcer. A different kind

of 'family' values, I suppose. Obviously. respect for the police is in his DNA.

Giuliani's quitting of a seminary to pursue a career in politics, apart from reminding me of Stalin's career path, reminds me of John Major, whose father had been a trapeze-artist in a circus. Some wit said of Major junior that he was the only boy who'd run away from a circus to join a bank !

[SCVDem]

45. This should be a good tv night

Between Samantha Bee and Larry Wilmore, they will rip Rudy a new one.

Me first!

STFU you asshole! You are a clueless prick!

Kerik is missing you.

[Raster]

46. Ghouliani is one of the most CLUELESS jerks around.

You had your 15 -and by default, I might add. STFU, Rudy.

[fantase56]

48. Why hasn't God

Called Rudy into the eternal everlasting loving arms of Jesus...yet?

[JustAnotherGen]

50. The Ghoul is the wild life

#dontfeedthewildlife They just come back for more.

Next thought - what job is this loser ass wipe cheater angling for in the Trump Admin? Head of the Bunga Bunga party office?

Let's not forget - this man lacks morals, respect and common decency.

[MrScorpio]

51. Fuck Giuliani nt

[Vinca]

52. Giuliani should be more concerned about his own children respecting him.