Terror attack kills scores in Nice, France, Hollande says

[NobodyHere]

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Source: CNN

(CNN)Scores of people were killed Thursday night when a large truck plowed through a Bastille Day crowd in Nice, France, in what President Francois Hollande called a terror attack.

The death toll grew through the night, with Hollande saying 77 people died. Interior Minister Bernard Cazeneuve said 80 people were killed.

The driver first shot a gun into the crowd before driving two kilometers along the Promenade des Anglais, the main street in Nice, mowing down people who had gathered to watch fireworks, regional President Christian Estrosi told CNN affiliate BFM-TV.

Police shot and killed the driver, said Pierre-Henry Brandet, a spokesman for the French Interior Ministry. Police found firearms, explosives and grenades in the truck, Estrosi said.

Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/14/europe/nice-france-truck/index.html

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Edited to update with the link

[MissB]

1. That headline reads oddly.

I get it though, it just reads so very wrong.

[NobodyHere]

3. The original tweet was in French

Maybe it was a literal translation?

[muriel_volestrangler]

7. I think it's the double meaning - 'Nice' the city, and 'nice' as in 'pleasant'

that can look strange.

[MissB]

8. Oh yes - it's really the "nice mayor" part. It sounds sarcastic

Until you click open the link and realize it is "Nice mayor".

Sad story.

[BeyondGeography]

18. "Dizaines" is multiples of ten

Common word there. Dozens would be a better translation (they have a word for that too, but "dizaines" is more common).

[MADem]

11. The city....not the sentiment ... Neeeeeece, not Nice!

It does look like horrific carnage, and not an accident.

[BooScout]

2. It sounds like it ran over people for quite a distance....

This wasn't just someone losing control. French radio is reporting up to 30 dead.

[840high]

66. Yes it did. Last count

I heard 60+ dead.

[muriel_volestrangler]

4. Police warn of an attack

The local police prefect of Alpes-Maritimes warned of an attack and asked Nice residents to stay indoors, France info radio reported.

“People are running, it’s panic,” a local newspaper journalist from Nice Matin was reported saying. “There is blood, no doubt injuries.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/14/several-killed-after-lorry-drives-into-crowd-in-nice-reports

Some reports spoke of shots being exchanged between police and the occupants of the lorry but these have not been confirmed.
...
Another image on Twitter showed a white lorry stopped in the middle of the promenade with damage to its front, and four police officers observing it while taking cover behind a palm tree.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36800730

[BooScout]

10. The windscreen on that lorry looks like it's been shot up. nt

[Corporate666]

22. There were definitely shots fired - lots of them.

Photos from the scene show the truck windshield peppered with bullet holes.

[Purveyor]

5. NBC: Truck Reportedly Plows Into Crowd on Bastille Day in France

A truck plowed into a group of pedestrians in Nice, France, Thursday night as people celebrated Bastille Day, authorities said.

"Dozens" of people may have been injured or even killed, according to the mayor.

The local Nice Martin newspaper reported that a car ran into a crowd watching a fireworks display. Photos and video on social media appeared to show crowds running from the scene, and people several injured on the ground.

Police told NBC they were aware of an incident but were still investigating.

Following the incident, Nice Mayor Christian Estrosi tweeted in french, "Dear nice, the driver of a truck appears to have made dozens of deaths. Stay for the moment to your home. More info to come."

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/truck-reportedly-plows-crowd-bastille-day-france-n609621

[NobodyHere]

6. CNN is saying that the people in the truck exchanged fire with the police.

So definitely no accident.

[MADem]

9. This is not the first time this has happened in France.

Truck was used as a weapon two years ago at Christmas time....


https://www.yahoo.com/news/ten-injured-driver-ploughs-french-christmas-market-192313711.html

[BooScout]

12. 30 dead, up to 100 injured, driver is dead....

SKY News reporting that now.

[In_The_Wind]

13. .

[IcyPeas]

14. the new normal. so sad.

[timlot]

15. Watching Fox Business or Fox News 2.0

They are discussion how this benefits Trump. Truly disgusting people over there.

[Yavin4]

23. What would Trump do?

How is he going to stop lone actors on a death mission?

[NobodyHere]

31. He'd probably yell 2nd grade insults at them

[christx30]

55. He would ban/deport 300 million people that had nothing to do

with the attacks.
And he would push harder for his wall. Which wouldn't stop anyone flying in on a Visa.

[redwitch]

16. 30 dead, over 100 injured.

This is never going to stop.

[maxsolomon]

62. Not immediately

But paroxysms of violence do die down.

ISIL is lashing out internationally because they are being seriously diminished in their "Caliphate". They are trying to provoke the West into A. a ground war in Syria, and B. installing RW Populist governments that will oppress Muslims. They want the Apocalypse.

[muriel_volestrangler]

17. Sub-prefect of the Alpes-Maritimes reports exchange of gunfire, driver dead

The sub-prefect of the Alpes-Maritimes, Sébastien Humbert, told French rolling news channel BFM TV: “The death tolls is extremely high.”

He spoke of “maybe 30 dead in Nice” and 100 injured. He said a truck had ploughed into a crowd over a long distance on the beachfront Promenade des Anglais “which explains the extremely high toll”.

He added that there had been an exchange of gunfire and the truck driver had been killed. He described it as “a criminal event”. He told residents to avoid the centre of Nice.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/14/several-killed-after-lorry-drives-into-crowd-in-nice-reports

On BBC TV, reporter at the office of the sub-prefecture says it's thought accomplices are still active.

[melman]

19. ISIS

[philosslayer]

27. Irresponsible

You have no idea who perpetrated this crime. Nor do the rest of us

[Legends303]

30. It was ISIS

it seems all too familiar, its an attack on France Holiday, kill people in a crowd.

It was a planned attack, now it could be anybody but highly unlikely at this point.

[underahedgerow]

42. It doesn't look like an ISIS thing at all actually. It looks like a lone crazed guy with a grudge.

ISIS would go for a much bigger bang, literally.

A report I've seen says that the perp was known to police.

[NobodyHere]

56. The guy reportedly had explosives

[underahedgerow]

57. Reportedly. We'll see. There are many stories circulating at the moment. It would just be odd

for an ISIS nutter to be acting alone when the potential for mayhem could have been exploited to a far larger degree with just a couple more guys.

[Statistical]

63. Lone crazy guy? When there were at least two attackers (2 or 3 reports seem conflicted) n/t

[PersonNumber503602]

81. So several lone crazy guys then....

[oberliner]

65. This is parody right?

You can't possibly mean this seriously?

[underahedgerow]

101. You have to understand, I'm always right about these things, as evidenced in the report breaking

now.

French authorities have not yet released the name of the man killed by police after ploughing his truck through crowds for 2km along the famous Promenade des Anglais in Nice.

However an identity card was found in the cabin of the large white truck and the French media have reported that it belonged to a Franco-Tunisian man, aged 31, who was born in 1985.

He is believed to have been a resident in the city of Nice.

According to reports the man was known to police for violence and weapons offences, but was not on the radar of intelligence services for any terrorist or jihadist activities.

However authorities are trying to confirm whether the identity card found belonged to the kamikaze truck driver.

It is believed the driver hired the truck he used in the attack several days ago.

In his possession was a 7.65 calibre pistol, which he had used to fire on the crowd as he drove.

Initial reports that the truck was full of heavy weapons proved to be inaccurate as the weapons, including grenades later turned out to be fake.

Specialist anti-terrorist investigators are also trying to work out if he acted alone. Initial reports suggested he may had an accomplice who was seen running from the truck, but this has not been confirmed.

http://www.thelocal.fr/20160715/what-do-we-know-about-the-suspect-behind-nice

"mic drop"

[oberliner]

109. Huh?

Are you still doing parody? I honestly cannot tell.

[underahedgerow]

112. I'll write real slow for you.

It wasn't a terrorist attack by an organized group intent on doing harm.

It was an angry man. Probably another sexually frustrated loser whose wife and kids left him because he wouldn't stop beating them.

It's always angry men. Men seem to be very angry. Just sayin'.

[leftynyc]

113. You have NO way of knowing that

at this time so I'll just laugh at your "always being right" about this kind of crap. To the thinking world, it looks like an isis inspired attack whether he was alone or part of a group. Period.

[underahedgerow]

119. Laugh away. Chuckle, chortle or giggle. Emerging news proves I'm correct.

"News organizations in France and Tunisia identified the man believed to have committed the attack as Mohamed Lahouaiej Bouhlel, 31, a delivery-truck driver who was born on Jan. 3, 1985, and raised in Msaken, a town in northeastern Tunisia, and who moved to France around 2005. The police searched a home in Nice with Mr. Bouhlel’s name outside it.

According to two officials briefed on the investigation but who were not authorized to discuss it publicly, Mr. Bouhlel had a history of petty crime, including burglary and theft, but his name was not in a French database of people suspected of being radicalized militants."

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/16/world/europe/attack-nice-bastille-day.html

It wasn't a terrorist attack, per the definition on Dictionary.com. It was a mass murder.

But headlines get more attention and hits when it's called terrorism. 'if it bleeds, it leads'. What I'm seeing is irresponsible journalism.

[leftynyc]

121. There is nothing in that link

that proves he wasn't inspired by isis. NOTHING. Hey, if you want to continue to embarrass yourself, be my guest.

[underahedgerow]

122. What evidence do you have that he was inspired by isis? NOTHING. But hey, if you want to

continue to make generalizations and fall into the stereotype trap, be my guest.

Being 'inspired by' has nothing to do with 'belonging to a terrorist organization'.

I get inspired by Monet. Doesn't mean I'm an artist.

[leftynyc]

124. I never claimed he was

YOU are the one pounding your chest insisting you're ALWAYS right about this stuff and that IT DEFINITELY WASN'T TERRORISM. Have you figured out the difference yet?

[underahedgerow]

126. Just This.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028013468#post39

Like I was saying. Just another wife beating loser with a grudge.

Like the crazy cops who keep shooting anyone who twitches with a tan.

Like the crazy guy who then shot the cops who keep shooting anyone with a tan.

Like the crazy guy who shot up a gay nightclub because he was tormented by his own confused sexuality.

Like the crazy guy who shot up a church because the object of his fantasies was dating a black man.

And on, and on, and on.

There's a difference between terrorism and acts of mass murder and spree killing. None of these actions were politically motivated or done just because someone was a muslim. Or had a tan. Terrorism is politically motivated by its very definition.

Other adjectives are available to journalists, perhaps they need a new thesaurus.

The common link is that they are all male. No one will have the guts to think that one through though.

[leftynyc]

127. All Male?

How about the woman who stood by her fiance while they both shot up those people in San Bernadino? Not finished embarrassing yourself yet, I see. And you STILL have no idea what this cretin's motive was although you can't seem to stop beating your chest and insisting ONLY YOU know the truth. Pathetic.

[underahedgerow]

128. How about her? Did she act on her own? No.

I know exactly what this guy's motive was and so would you, if you can be bothered to read. But now you've gotten to the point where you just can't admit I'm correct. That's ok!

He wasn't ISIS. He wasn't a radical muslim. He was an enraged, rejected, self-loathing, drunken, wife beating male loser, just like the rest of them, in basic common aspects.

When that guy perpetrated THAT horrific massacre in San Bernadino, I said exactly the same thing about who he was and what his motives were. I was right about that too. (workplace grudge. You'll find my post about it in my history)

Some of us are more observant than others. Others just take a headline written by a wanna-be journalist and run with it.

I'm doing just fine. You'll be ok.

By all means, continue.

[leftynyc]

131. LOL

It's like you can't help yourself. YOU and ONLY YOU know EXACTLY what his motive is due to the word of someone you don't know who claims he's his cousin and couldn't POSSIBLY by lying. Keep embarrassing yourself - it's so freeking amusing.

And, of course, you know that it was the MAN who radicalized his fiance rather than the other way around in San Bernadino. Did a little bird tell you? Or just the voices in your head?

[christx30]

125. So, what? Bored person decides to rent

a truck and mow down scores of people on Bastille day for shits and giggles?
Nothing on TV that night?
Honestly, Muslim inspired/radicalized by ISIS seems to be the least scary possibility.

[DashOneBravo]

134. ISIS called for that style

In September 2014, an ISIS spokesman similarly encouraged such attacks, saying of ISIS' enemies, "run him over with your car.

[christx30]

115. It doesn't have to be organized.

This wasn't exactly 9/11 with multiple attackers buying plane tickets.
He rents a truck. Presses the accelerator. People die.
If he was radicalized online, that's all it takes to kill scores of people.

[Dreamer Tatum]

79. Or a worker in the garment industry nt

[melman]

36. Sorry

but you are going to have to cast that line elsewhere. I'm not taking the bait.

[Ace Rothstein]

38. Not knowing the details has never stopped you from assigning blame.

[bdwker]

39. You said the same thing about...

New York
Russia
Egypt
Paris
Brussels
San Bernardino
Orlando
Turkey
Bangladesh
and now Nice.

You batting 0.00

[Ace Rothstein]

40. I wish I could rec your post.

[GulfCoast66]

50. Bingo!

And the next post will tell us how the west made this happen. At least it has been a while since we have been told that the west will have to change their values to accommodate the new migrants. That took the cake.

After all, there were probably scantily clad women in the area driving the attacker insane with their lack of modesty.

I could puke!

[bdwker]

52. Is there a certain number of terrorist attacks...

when people may say "ENOUGH" ?

Or does liberalism require that we bury our head in the sand and make excuses for the obvious ?

Just wondering.

[christx30]

58. And when the "ENOUGH" moment happens,

what should we do about it? Immigration blocks? More police? Better security? What would you suggest?
And what will that "enough" moment look like?

[bdwker]

61. I wish I could answer your questions.

Someone smarter than me hopefully has the answers.

[christx30]

89. Donald Trump has said as much. n/t

[7962]

90. Jimmy Carter stopped Iranians from coming back in 79

So yes, why not. Make it known that we will NOT accept any more from any nations that allow or fund these terrorists. People living here, if citizens they'd need to be treated differently, if not, give them the boot.
Its past time to actually get tough and stop walking on eggshells

[bdwker]

102. I wish it was that easy..

The trouble with that is the Europe has large amounts of ME populations that are in the EU.

BREXIT will stop them from entering the UK.

France is so f--ked. They never get rid of the people that want to destroy France.

Western values has now become a suicide pact.

[leftynyc]

114. And where would you like to deport

those Muslims that are American citizens to?

[GulfCoast66]

74. The $69,000 question

I have no answer. But Europe has a problem we do not have. We have an ocean between radical Islam and us. They can walk to Europe.

What worries me is the right conflating that problem with South American immigrants. Who are Christians after all. Not that it should matter.

Again, I have no answer. I am afraid that Europe will choose a repressive answer. But I am not there. I know watching the change in my European friends has been disquieting, but they are truly worried about the future of their free, open society.

[Lucky Luciano]

53. Maybe he got Norway right!! nt

[Elmergantry]

77. Oh I have an idea...

And its not the Amish

[HERVEPA]

80. Cut the bullshit, will you.

[bdwker]

108. Philo...

Now that it is confirmed...

New York
Russia
Egypt
Paris x2
Brussels
San Bernardino
Orlando
Turkey
Bangladesh
Nice

I would like to get your opinion re these terrorist attacks .
Do you believe they are terrorist attacks ?
Do you believe they are caused by so called "RADICAL ISLAMIC Terrorists" ? (Hillarys words)
Do you believe these are just isolated or a worldwide problem?
I'd love your opinion.


Addendum--- I was very polite and was very PC.

[GummyBearz]

116. Oh lordy

You actually asked that guy for his opinion??? You are one masochistic person...

[bdwker]

123. He hits and runs

I want his opinion

[philosslayer]

129. And here it is

I'm skeptical this had anything to do with Islam. There is another thread discussing an article that said the driver wasn't religious at all. He ate pork, drank, took drugs, and beat his wife. This sounds more like the horrific actions of someone lashing out at the world. However of course the knee jerk brigade on DU will always blame Islam before they have any facts.

[bdwker]

136. OK...honest people can disagree.

But you didn't answer my questions.

GIVEN THESE ATTACKS

New York
Russia
Egypt
Paris x2
Brussels
San Bernardino
Orlando
Turkey
Bangladesh
Nice


Do you believe they are terrorist attacks ?
Do you believe they are caused by so called "RADICAL ISLAMIC Terrorists" ? (Hillarys words)
Do you believe these are just isolated or a worldwide problem?

[JI7]

153. there are MusLims who beat women, eat pork, drink alcohol and take drugs

[snooper2]

118. you are correct ISIS would never do such a thing. They are just a poor misunderstood religious group

[christx30]

71. I'm leaning towards ISIS as well.

I'll wait to see what the police find on the attacker's wallet and phone.

I'll pretty much ignore what ISIS says though.

[Purveyor]

20. At Least 60 Feared Dead And Shots Fired As Lorry RAMS Into Crowd

A lorry ran down a large group of people in the southern French city of Nice during a suspected terrorist attack. At least 50 people are feared dead with more than 100 injured during the Bastille Day attack.

Eyewitnesses have reported that hostages have been taken in two hotels and a restaurant in the city.

Gunshots rang out in the streets, with gunmen targeting hotels and cafes in the port city as residents were warned to lock themselves in doors for their safety. Hostages have been taken in a hotel in the city. The RAID anti-terror squad has been deployed to the city.

It is believed the gunmen are holding hostages in the Meridien Hotel, the Hotel Negresco and the Buffalo Grill restaurant.

A lorry rammed into a large group of people who were celebrating Bastille Day before gunmen started firing.

A spokesman for the Alpes Maritime prefecture advised locals to 'stay indoors' as gunfire was heard, and a lorry was driven into a crowd on the Promenade des Anglais.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3691019/Several-people-injured-truck-crashes-crowd-Bastille-Day-celebrations-Nice.html#ixzz4EQPnclVP
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[Yo_Mama]

28. AFP tweets no hostage situation in Nice (19 minutes ago)

https://twitter.com/AFP?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

[Warpy]

21. 30 dead, 100 injuries

per the BBC. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36800730

Another day, another fucking coward with an imaginary grudge against people he doesn't even know.

ETA: Totals are "at least," confirmed at France 24

[Yo_Mama]

24. FAZ reports now "at least 60 dead".

Driver was shot down in truck.

http://www.faz.net/agenturmeldungen/dpa/mindestens-60-tote-bei-anschlag-in-nizza-14341377.html


That total comes from a state official.

[BooScout]

25. Death toll up to 73 per SKY News nt

[Legends303]

26. So ISIS is responsible no surprise

I pray for France, they have seen some of the worst attacks in and its not even been a year since Paris.

[NobodyHere]

29. Has this been confirmed?

[totodeinhere]

33. Not confirmed as yet.

[Yo_Mama]

35. They're "claiming it". Posting pics and glorifying the martyrs.

I suppose they could be lying, but they generally aren't.

Saddest part - Since the Paris attacks, France has been under a type of martial law, with some rules of civil procedures suspended. Hollande had just announced that this was to be terminated at the end of July.

So now what? Now what? What do they do?

[Yo_Mama]

41. I don't think they know who is responsible (ISIS). They are claiming it was revenge

for the guy who was just killed (Al-Shisani (sp)), but they don't seem to have the ID.

And they are also saying there are more attacks to come.

[AngryAmish]

44. Someone is going to recommend a 1492 solution eventually.

[Yo_Mama]

45. Enlighten me? What's a "1492 solution"??

What a sad day.

Hollande had just announced that they were finally going to get back to normal civil law at the end of July. They've been under an emergency legal regime with some civil protections suspended since Paris.

What now?

[AngryAmish]

46. In 1492 Moslems were driven from Spain.

It was in all the papers at the time.

[marshall]

47. The Jews were driven out too

My ancestors were among them.

[AngryAmish]

48. Why was that?

[muriel_volestrangler]

51. Because the Catholic church and the Spanish crown had been running inquisitions

that massacred non-Catholics for hundreds of years - basically a continuation of the Crusades that went to the Middle East. It's where "kill them all, God will know his own" is said to have come from.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albigensian_Crusade

[uawchild]

84. Yes, that was in reference to the Cathars

Thanks for pointing that out.

Catharism is my favorite version of Christianity since the Bogomils!

I always liked the incorporation of reincarnation as a means to improve one's self spiritually into a Christian belief structure.

[metalbot]

105. For anyone interested in this topic...

...there's a really good book called "Dogs of God" that tells the intertwined story of the expulsion of the jews, the defeat of the Moors, and the funding of Colombus's trip.

[Igel]

130. Oooh ... the "Domini canes" ~ Dominicans pun.

BTW, did you know that there are descendants of the Moors still nurturing that particular humiliation.

It's really their only patrimony. "Look at us, we're special because we were especially victimized. It's unfair, all we did was colonize and victimize those in our imperial possessions for centuries, why should we have lost that war? No justice, no peace!"

Meh. "Historical justice" is just what we rely on when we want to justify our present hatred of currently living people.

[Yo_Mama]

49. I got it right after I posted - I'm too horrified to think well.

Awful day.

[former9thward]

68. Not really.

In 1492 Spain expelled the Jews. The tried to accommodate the Muslim population but ended up expelling most of them in 1609.

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2013/05/the_expulsion_of_the_moors.html

[muriel_volestrangler]

103. 'americanthinker' should never be relied on for any information

Pretty much by definition, they'll lie to you - or sometimes they're just plain stupid. "They tried to accommodate' isn't true; they set about converting them, and got more and more violent about it. Unsurprisingly, 'americanthinker' paints the Muslims as being the bad guys.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Spain#After_reconquista

[Igel]

133. He's right about 1609. Sort of

Until then baptism or exile were the two choices, but nobody much enforced it.

The problem wasn't the (secular) government; it was the Church. The *government* tried to accommodate Muslims; the Church authorities often in charge of implementing the provisions wanted forced conversions and to protect their own faith. Of course, that's a thin reed to rely on since the State wasn't all that separate from the Church.

Of course, more than a little of this could be rooted in "historical justice," since what the Catholic Church wanted was essentially what the Muslim authorities had decreed. No proselytization, keep your "bad" religion underground, our way or the highway. They wanted forced coversions, and often for the sake of survival in "Andalusia" you converted and kept your conversion secret upon pain of death or you suffered incredible oppression for generations. Revenge and avenging humiliation are bad things, but we still see that kind of atavistic thinking today.

[The Green Manalishi]

135. Sometimes I thing the rage against Islam from the religious right here

is jealousy as much as doctrinal disagreement.

[former9thward]

138. What is the cause of defending Islam?

Where does that come from? Especially on the "left". A religion which oppresses and encourages violence against women, gays and everyone else who are not exactly like them.

[The Green Manalishi]

145. On, no. Sorry for being imprecise!

I'm an avowed atheist and *LOATH* Islam. Merely making the point that OUR religious right seems to really hate an Abrahamic religion that it actually has a lot in common with, and that this might well be due to jealousy in fervency and theocratic control of populations rather than any real difference in how they would treat LGBT folks and Atheists.
A pox on all of their houses and invisible sky fairy friends. The world will be a better place when the last mosque, temple and church is bulldozed to make way for something more useful, and ANYTHING would be more useful.

[former9thward]

137. That was just one link of dozens which said the same thing.

Are you backing the poster who said Muslims were expelled in 1492? Where is your cite for that fact (which doesn't exist).

[muriel_volestrangler]

139. No, I'm saying that anyone who reads something on americanthinker and doesn't recognise it

as far right garbage that should never be quoted, or linked to on DU, needs a basic course in politics and comprehension. It's like saying "Sean Hannity told me ...". You linked to one of the dumbest far right sites there is. You need education in how fucking useless that site is. You should have read one of the other sites and used that instead. Find out about where you link to before believing it.

[former9thward]

140. I am not an expert in right wing websites as you may be.

What exactly was wrong in the subject matter?

[muriel_volestrangler]

142. A lot was; that was how you incorrectly concluded "the tried to accommodate the Muslim population"

when they actually set about converting them, by force within 10 years. That's the thing; you fell for the right wing bullshit that the Christians were 'accommodating'. And that matters, because it was both a bit of propaganda trying to paint Muslims as the problem then, and as the problem for Israel now.

[former9thward]

143. So you do defend the poster who said they were expelled in 1492.

I won't hold my breath waiting for you to give a cite for your views.

[muriel_volestrangler]

144. No, I didn't say that at all. I said they tried to convert them

and you can't convert people you've expelled, can you? Go back and read what I wrote.

What I am mainly doing, though, is telling you to stop reading far right sources and believing what they say. It's bad for you. It's bad for us if you repeat their message here.

[Dreamer Tatum]

78. What, no assurance that it was teabaggers?

That's your usual.

[christx30]

83. He tried to pin the Paris attacks

on right wing nationalists, setting up a false flag to blame on Muslims.

[Dreamer Tatum]

85. I missed that. That poster is a troll .

[christx30]

91. Oh yeah. It was a fantastic piece

of gymnastics. Apparently White French ultranationalists killed 130 of their countrymen, trying to blame the Muslims for the attacks. Problem with that theory is that the group is mostly known for riots, protests, and trying to get votes, and not martyrdom. Sure, they'll blow up your shop, but not using a suicide vest.
His having a problem with me saying that was a nice birthday present, when the rest of the day sucked.

[PersonNumber503602]

154. Who are you all referring to?

AA? I always took him as being mostly sarcastic.

Now PS on the other hand... Well, yeah.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

107. Or, since it's France, the 732 solution

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Martel

[PersonNumber503602]

59. I won't be surprised when/if this turns out to be ISIS, buuuuut

they would claim responsibility for a tornado if it caused sufficient damage.

[panader0]

32. So now Trump is saying he won't announce his VP decision

tomorrow because of this......

[Calista241]

111. Makes sense.

He wants his VP announcement to be THE news of the day. 75% of news coverage tomorrow will be of this unless something else catastrophic happens.

He did that in the primary to great effect. I wonder if Hillary is sitting on some story or announcement to try and steal some of the limelight when he does announce his pick.

[muriel_volestrangler]

34. Looking for "potential accomplice"

Le Figaro reports that, according to the interior ministry, investigators are currently looking for potential accomplice but confirms that there was no hostage taking.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2016/jul/14/nice-bastille-day-france-attack-promenade-des-anglais-vehicle?page=with:block-57881e0be4b073c22786c612#block-57881e0be4b073c22786c612

(Some social media reports had talked about a hostage situation; it's possible that was a mistake for a nightclub being used as an emergenecy treatment area)

Also:

Christian Estrosi, president of the region, says the truck in Nice was loaded with arms and grenades, according to AP.

[Yo_Mama]

43. Yes, truck loaded with weapons, driver hopped out and was shooting people

before cops took him down.

Anti-terrorist special forces in France taking over investigation.

[Capt. Obvious]

54. La Figaro: 76 dead

[oswaldactedalone]

64. Now at least

77 dead.

[Skittles]

60. I said last Friday, we should just leave our flag at half staff

between religious nutcases and/or gun humpers, there is always tragedy

[Else You Are Mad]

72. This is equally the saddest yet most apt thing I read all day. Nt

[Skittles]

73. here in Texas, the tragedies are overlapping

[onehandle]

82. The driver was firing a gun as well, so gun culture, as usual, has a hand in terrorism. nt

[Marengo]

87. The gun having been purchased at WalMart no doubt.

[Quantess]

110. Totally!

Like, the same WalMart in France where you can roll up to the drive in window, but a bottle of whisky and a semi-automatic in the same purchase!

[Marengo]

117. And grenades, don't forget the grenades!

[7962]

88. Yes, I'm sure the GUN killed more than the truck driven over people for a MILE

Not to mention, those guns are illegal in the entire country of France
Not "gun culture", Islamist culture

[Skittles]

146. LOL

America is FILLED with gun humpers - we're used to mass/senseless killings now, many of which are NOT committed by Muslims

[7962]

150. THIS poster is referring to THIS massacre.

And acting like the "gun' had anything to do with the massive death toll is ludicrous.

[Skittles]

151. and I am saying terrorists and guns go hand in hand

there AND here

[7962]

152. And his guns are banned in all of France, so it matters little

Just like the guns of all the previous attackers in france.
Now they've found a way to kill a lot more than a gun would.
The EU better wake up before its too late. And it may already be.

[Legends303]

67. Damn this terror attack, right before the RNC convention

now the cackling morons will have fodder for their rhetoric come tuesday.

[840high]

69. You worried about that? How about

the dead and their families.

[Legends303]

70. Yeah I'm worried about the family of the dead

and the injured, that was not the intent of that post.

[christx30]

76. You're just predicting (and rightly so)

that their pain is going to be exploited by the GOP at their convention. Makes things a worse than just the attack.

[Skittles]

147. repukes hate France

now the hypocrites act like they care about France

[BeyondGeography]

75. French-born man of Tunisian origin (dual citizen) ID'd as attacker

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2016/jul/14/nice-bastille-day-france-attack-promenade-des-anglais-vehicle

https://twitter.com/AFP?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

[still_one]

104. So how does one stop one person with the intent of killing as many people as possible? There are

more than enough incidences here that it is quite difficult

[AgadorSparticus]

92. PMy heartfelt prayers to the victims and the people of France.

[Beacool]

93. It's never ending.

Heartbreaking, people just watching fireworks on a promenade and this sorry excuse of a human being mows them down. My condolences to the people of France. May the victims rest in peace.

[Little Tich]

94. Horrific. n/t

[Kablooie]

95. Why is France always getting hit so hard?

Seems like they are the number one enemy of the extremists.

[NobodyHere]

97. They help with the war on terror

Plus they have a sizable population of disenchanted muslim immigrants that hasn't integrated into French society well. They also pissed off some fundamental muslims with their anti-burqa law.

[still_one]

106. Based on what they have currently, they say it appears only one person was involved. How do you

stop one person intent on killing as many people as possible?

This problem isn't just France.

One person killed a lot of people in Orlando. Two people killed a lot of folks in San Bernardino. Two people did the Boston Marathon bombing.

The one thing the perpetrators appear to have in common, is they subscribe to the radical Islamic movements that are behind groups like ISIL and AQ

[beevul]

96. France obviously doesn't have strict enough gun control.

[NobodyHere]

98. Maybe they need lorry control laws?

[christx30]

120. Then only outlaws would move couches. N/t

[LeftishBrit]

99. How horrible

[nitpicker]

100. Link to BBC live thread

http://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-36799172

Now up to 84 dead.

[Blue_Tires]

132. Waiting for the hot take from Greenwald, Scahill

or one of the holier-than-thou crowd explaining why France got what was coming to them...

[GeorgeGist]

141. Where was God ...

while this atrocious act was conducted?

[christx30]

148. Pointing at us to his angels saying

"See? This is why I need to be in charge. Because this is what happens when Lucifer is running things."

[MowCowWhoHow III]

149. (AFP) IS claims Nice massacre: jihadist-linked agency

#BREAKING IS claims Nice massacre: jihadist-linked agency
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/754235177350656000

[TroyJackson]

155. rest in peace to all those

such a sad story