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MowCowWhoHow III

(2,103 posts)
Mon Jul 18, 2016, 06:42 AM Jul 2016

Turkey reinstating death penalty would end EU talks: Germany

Source: AFP

Germany warned Turkey on Monday that if it reinstated the death penalty it would bring an end to accession talks with the European Union.

After President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said in the wake of a failed coup attempt that Turkey would consider a return of capital punishment, Chancellor Angela Merkel's spokesman told reporters: "Introducing the death penalty in Turkey would mean the end of EU membership talks."

EU foreign affairs head Federica Mogeherini echoed those sentiments.

"Let me be very clear... no country can become an EU state if it introduces the death penalty," Mogherini said when asked about the possible impact on long-stalled accession talks with Ankara.

Read more: https://sg.news.yahoo.com/turkey-reinstating-death-penalty-end-eu-talks-germany-095951025.html

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Turkey reinstating death penalty would end EU talks: Germany (Original Post) MowCowWhoHow III Jul 2016 OP
Death penalty is what people in the streets are calling for. MowCowWhoHow III Jul 2016 #1
As if Erdogan gives a flying fuck about the will of the people: DetlefK Jul 2016 #2
It may be what they are calling for rpannier Jul 2016 #7
Turkey is going to crap. Erdogan is fermenting the worst in his people. NWCorona Jul 2016 #12
Kerry warns Turkey’s NATO membership could be in jeopardy MowCowWhoHow III Jul 2016 #3
Oh I think they are done for now anyway. nt bemildred Jul 2016 #4
hell yes, even before this there was NO WAY Turkey would ever be allowed in AntiBank Jul 2016 #5
and now begins erdogan's reign of terror. Javaman Jul 2016 #6
I guess the USA could not be part of the EU Equinox Moon Jul 2016 #8
Well considering there is an entire ocean between North America and Europe that's a safe bet. nt cstanleytech Jul 2016 #9
Oh for goodness sakes... Because of the having the death penality Equinox Moon Jul 2016 #11
I find it interesting secretary Kerry is saying turkey's membership in the UN yeoman6987 Jul 2016 #14
Oh, I got it but the silly part was even the suggestion that the US might cstanleytech Jul 2016 #16
Well we do legally kill people NWCorona Jul 2016 #13
That's a dead letter anyways, Turkey has proven itself to be Middle Eastern, not European nt geek tragedy Jul 2016 #10
I don't know how "European" is proved, but part of Turkey is clearly in Europe. JustABozoOnThisBus Jul 2016 #18
a geographic technicality. Turkey has a toehold on the European continent geek tragedy Jul 2016 #19
Or, a more common metaphor, Turkey is like a camel's nose sticking inside the tent. JustABozoOnThisBus Jul 2016 #20
They would be nuts to admit Turkey TexasMommaWithAHat Jul 2016 #15
Short of barbarian autocracies like Saudi Arabia, Turkey has one of the worst human rights records. forest444 Jul 2016 #17
THIS! The genocide denial alone makes them ineligible eissa Jul 2016 #21

MowCowWhoHow III

(2,103 posts)
1. Death penalty is what people in the streets are calling for.
Mon Jul 18, 2016, 06:48 AM
Jul 2016
Death penalty is what people in the streets are calling for. We must listen as we work for the people: Turkey PM
https://twitter.com/Conflicts/status/754988645279490050

US says #Turkey must show 'evidence not allegations' against Gulen
https://twitter.com/Conflicts/status/754979429055602688

We are disappointed by US requesting proof linking Gulen to coup. Is this coup not proof enough?: Turkey PM
https://twitter.com/Conflicts/status/754988927145107456

We may review our friendship with Washington: Turkish PM
https://twitter.com/Conflicts/status/754988418824798208

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
2. As if Erdogan gives a flying fuck about the will of the people:
Mon Jul 18, 2016, 07:13 AM
Jul 2016

Turkey had national elections in 2015. Twice.

The first election, in May, ended with Erdogan as the victor, but he had suffered a loss of votes so his party no longer had the majority in parliament. Erdogan would have needed to form an alliance with some other party to get above the 51% threshold.
In such multi-party systems, it's customary that within a few days after the election, envoys are exchanged between parties for preliminary negotiations on who is willing to ally with whom.

Except Erdogan never launched the negotiation-process. Even though he desperately needed the cooperation of another party to form a government, he never got in touch with other parties.
Erdogan waited the whole thing out until another paragraph was triggered: If a government is not formed within X months, new elections are held.

And so Erdogan got a second election because he had sabotaged the first one. Because he didn't like that he was just the winner. He wanted to be the ultimate winner.




And what a COINCIDENCE: On the eve of the second election, an ISIS-bombing went off in an anti-Erdogan-demonstration in Ankara. Triggering with the voters the desire for a strongman who will protect them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Ankara_bombings

rpannier

(24,329 posts)
7. It may be what they are calling for
Mon Jul 18, 2016, 08:39 AM
Jul 2016

But it prevents them from being an EU member
They will have to choose
The cannot have both
Being a member of the EU is not a right
If Turkey chooses to do something that is prohibited to membership then they can't be a member

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
12. Turkey is going to crap. Erdogan is fermenting the worst in his people.
Mon Jul 18, 2016, 09:18 AM
Jul 2016

Didn't his supporters behead a surrendering soldier?

MowCowWhoHow III

(2,103 posts)
3. Kerry warns Turkey’s NATO membership could be in jeopardy
Mon Jul 18, 2016, 07:15 AM
Jul 2016
Kerry warns Turkey’s NATO membership could be in jeopardy

U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry urged the Turkish government to uphold democratic principles as it purges thousands of officials in the aftermath of an attempted coup.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/world/wp/2016/07/18/kerry-warns-turkeys-nato-membership-could-be-in-jeopardy/

#US Consulate General in #Istanbul says demonstrations are expected around its buildings, US citizens to avoid area
https://twitter.com/Conflicts/status/754994903717994496

Javaman

(62,507 posts)
6. and now begins erdogan's reign of terror.
Mon Jul 18, 2016, 08:14 AM
Jul 2016

this is getting very interesting.

any wonder why there was an attempted coup?

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
14. I find it interesting secretary Kerry is saying turkey's membership in the UN
Mon Jul 18, 2016, 09:41 AM
Jul 2016

is in jeopardy while the United States has a death penalty. Seems like a strange thing to say.

cstanleytech

(26,273 posts)
16. Oh, I got it but the silly part was even the suggestion that the US might
Mon Jul 18, 2016, 10:50 AM
Jul 2016

even have a shot at joining the EU when the fact is that it does not.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,336 posts)
18. I don't know how "European" is proved, but part of Turkey is clearly in Europe.
Mon Jul 18, 2016, 01:02 PM
Jul 2016

The little bit that's on the west bank of the Bosporus Strait is on the European continent.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
19. a geographic technicality. Turkey has a toehold on the European continent
Mon Jul 18, 2016, 01:14 PM
Jul 2016


but has virtually nothing in common with Europe.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,336 posts)
20. Or, a more common metaphor, Turkey is like a camel's nose sticking inside the tent.
Mon Jul 18, 2016, 01:18 PM
Jul 2016

This geographic technicality gives it some rights.

forest444

(5,902 posts)
17. Short of barbarian autocracies like Saudi Arabia, Turkey has one of the worst human rights records.
Mon Jul 18, 2016, 12:35 PM
Jul 2016

The Kurds and Armenians know all about that.

Plus, they've been a key transshipment point for heroin and money laundering hub for decades. Borderline rogue state.

eissa

(4,238 posts)
21. THIS! The genocide denial alone makes them ineligible
Mon Jul 18, 2016, 01:41 PM
Jul 2016

Never mind their atrocious human rights violations, and the fact that having a minuscule amount of territory connected to Europe hardly makes them European in any sense of the word.

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