Man attacks passengers with axe and knife on train in Germany

[MowCowWhoHow III]

Last edited Mon Jul 18, 2016, 06:54 PM - Edit history (1)

Source: The Guardian

A man armed with an axe has attacked around 20 passengers on a train in northern Bavaria, according to local police.

Three people were seriously injured and one person sustained lightinjuries before the attacker was shot by police, a police spokesperson told local newspaper Main Post.

According to Bavaria’s interior minister, Joachim Herrmann, the attacker was a 17-year-old Afghan citizen.

The man reportedly attacked passengers on a regional train travelling between the town of Treuchtlingen and the city of Würzburg.

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/18/about-20-people-injured-in-axe-attack-on-train-in-germany

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German train 'axe attack': Many reported hurt

More than 20 people in Germany have received medical treatment after a man with an axe and a knife went on the rampage on a train, German media say.

They include three seriously injured people, one with minor injuries and 14 who are in shock.

A police operation is under way in Heidingsfeld, part of the city of Wurzburg in Germany.

A police spokesman at the scene said (in German) that the attacker was shot dead while fleeing. A journalist with the national broadcaster ZDF tweeted that the attacker was a 17-year-old Afghan man.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36827725

Live updates : https://www.reddit.com/live/xa24ixojab5l

[63splitwindow]

1. The ammosexuals will NOT be able to contain their glee over how this PROVES...

that firearm proliferation is no problem at all.

[Angel Martin]

3. it would have been terrible if an armed civilian

had shot the axe-attacker before he could chop up 20 people.

[63splitwindow]

5. It would have been FAR WORSE if the attacker had used an AR-15 with multiple...

30 round magazines ready to go. Don't you think?

[Elmergantry]

6. Or a truck...

Was it an assualt axe? Who needs an axe?

[63splitwindow]

7. Truck on a train? Basically any physical object can be used as a weapon...

in one way or another. THEREFORE, let's let everyone walk around with instruments DESIGNED to kill many people quickly. That will minimize risk. Yeah, that makes sense.

[SCantiGOP]

10. Thank you, 63splitwindow

I knew when I opened the post a gun hugger was going to weigh in; didn't know you would dispatch him/her so effectively.

[63splitwindow]

28. You are welcome. How many must be massacred?

Every step towards reducing the ease with which it can occur is worth taking.

[MosheFeingold]

20. Sounds to me he was attempting

To obtain a train and crash it.

[Elmergantry]

37. You dont have much imagination do you? NT

[63splitwindow]

54. Wanna explain that comment Elmer? nt

[Elmergantry]

56. The question is how could a truck be used on a train...

Well crap all you have to do is ram the train with said truck at crossing...jeez !

BTW Read a post on another forum where the hoplophobe called for confiscating high capacity guns. Respondent said there are other means like with a vehicle (I guess he never head of car bombings)....hoplophobe said, "when was the last time somone killed 50+ people by running them over?" ......Nice happened a few days later...hoplophobe has been strangely quiet ever since...

[63splitwindow]

58. So, Elmer, you are saying that because trucks can (obviously) be used as weapon(s)...

we should not entertain gun control measures in the United States in an effort to reduce the number of deaths caused by firearms?

[Elmergantry]

64. No

Not because of trucks. But because persons intent on mass murder will find a way no matter how many rights we surrender. So I am not in favor of restricting rights.

[63splitwindow]

65. Are you in favor of allowing people to yell "Fire" in a crowded theatre?

To practice polygamy if their religion approves of same? Name one Constitutional right that is not subject to limitations.

[Elmergantry]

85. Of course not

You have the right to have arms.
You don't have the right to kill without justification i.e. self defense with the arms

You have the right to speak
You don't have the right to yell fire in a crowded theatre

[63splitwindow]

61. By the way Elmer, we were talking about a passenger on a train... nt

[MariaThinks]

17. that's the truth.

[crim son]

98. Like the armed civilians did in Orlando? n/t

[sarisataka]

9. Good thing we jump

to the most important point first.

Only an AXE ??? That's nothing. Why is this even news?

[63splitwindow]

11. Also good you reacted as predicted. nt

[sarisataka]

13. Seriously?

What did you predict? That someone would point out you are far more concerned with the means than the victims?

I will always put victims first no matter what was used to inflict harm.

[63splitwindow]

14. Are you concerned about future victims of mass shootings? Seriously. nt

[sarisataka]

18. Quite a bit

I am very concerned about tensions around the country and the world. I am also concerned about the flippant attitudes about the potential for violence in Cleveland.

[Angel Martin]

23. Are you concerned about future victims of mass shootings?

I'm concerned about them being completely disarmed and defenceless.

The rifles like the AK are not going away. There are millions from the Balkan wars circulating in europe. That's why the black market price of an AK in europe is only 300 euros (and 700 for an RPG, btw)

http://www.havocscope.com/weapon-sales-in-the-european-union/

And there are millions more coming onto the european market in the future because Russia is buying a new battle rifle.

[63splitwindow]

26. So people walking around in public routinely with an AR-15 slung over shoulder OK with you? nt

[Yo_Mama]

29. Well, there are heavily armed soldiers and police on the streets in large parts of Europe

Already. So it is not exactly a demilitarized zone.

France has run out of security resources and is going to have to do SOMETHING.

[63splitwindow]

31. So people walking around in public routinely with an AR-15 slung over shoulder OK with you? nt

[Yo_Mama]

48. Have you seen pictures of "sensitive" areas in France recently? They are already there.

What's really cool about it is that in Brussels and parts of France (I have even seen this in Germany), the custom is for the soldiers/police to go masked, so that they and their families won't be targeted.

Given the garb and the masks, it would be relatively easy for a bunch of non police to suit up and head on out to cause carnage. People are getting used to seeing this, and it wouldn't cause a reaction initially.

[Calista241]

32. i know there's pictures on the internet of people walking around with rifles

but I have never, ever seen one. And I live in Georgia, which is a VERY gun friendly state. I live within just a mile of a very popular gun range / gun store, and I've never seen anyone but the police walking around with a firearm in a holster.

I just don't perceive this to be the widespread, civilization ending problem that a lot of people here seem to think it is.

[63splitwindow]

41. So, because it is not "civilization ending" in your view, this is OK with you?

This is at some some sort of political rally at the Arizona state capitol:

[Calista241]

46. I can find pictures of snakes eating people on the internet also

Doesn't mean I think it's a giant problem. There's what, 20,000 people out of 320 million here in America that feel a need to carry around rifles? That's not a giant problem in my view.

[Angel Martin]

53. people are open carrying rifles for shock value

and to make a point

constantly carrying what amounts to a 8-10 pound 35 inch tube gets old pretty quickly. It's nuisance enough while hunting, let-alone 24/7.

[63splitwindow]

62. If you had a loved one shot and killed in any of these incidents...

would that turn it into a "giant problem" in your view? What if it was a child of yours who was killed?

[Calista241]

75. There are 10,000 gun homicides a year

If my kid was eaten by a snake, id think it was a big problem, but that doesn't mean everyone else would.

[Skittles]

55. LOL

well I HAVE and let me tell you, gun humping cowards SUCK

[Elmergantry]

38. Ok with me..

[Angel Martin]

47. No, but civilian concealed carry is

if they have had training equivalent to police (~60-80 hrs) and semi-annual re-qualify.

[63splitwindow]

50. I think that should be allowed as well as firearm ownership and activities...

of various sorts.

[Angel Martin]

60. I don't think we are that far apart.

I don't personally want to carry. Even a compact 9mm is a bloody nuisance to be carrying all the time, let alone a 10 pound rifle. I'm fortunate to split my time between what are currently two relatively safe cities, and would not want to carry unless public safety significantly deteriorates, or there was a specific personal threat.

But it does appear that the frequency of mass attacks is accelerating and any place where people gather is a target. Police or armed security can't be everywhere. The more properly trained concealed carriers there are, the more every target is hardened.

[WhiteTara]

43. Since more people have been killed in mass shootings

for more days than we have had this year(195), aren't most people concerned about future victims. Aren't you? So far this YEAR there have been more than 29,000 incidents and almost 8000 people killed...and this is JUST July!

Or did I just miss the sarcasm thingy?

[7962]

66. Thank you. The need to instantly "go for the gun" with some is ridiculous

How about thinking about how horrific this must have been for those involved??

[840high]

79. So do I.

[romanic]

33. What a shit post.

[7962]

67. Yes, more important to focus on a non-existent GUN than the Islamist attacker

You can always post your half-assed gun jokes in a gun crime OP.
We SHOULD be focused on yet another "isolated incident" involving yet ANOTHER "refugee" trying to kill innocent people

[GulfCoast66]

77. Can't say what the any American will do

Even those who use silly names for gun owners.

But that really does not matter here as this is a serious crime with serious repercussions in Germany.

Which is the only thing that matters about this story unless fighting about gun policy is yoor priority.

I think this is one more nail in the coffin of a welcoming attitude in even enlightened Europe. I fear that we are about to reach the point that Muslims are not welcomed or even allowed in Europe.

I hope the US does not follow along.

[7962]

87. I've always thought you should learn from the mistakes others make.

And they've been making plenty for years. And we see whats the result

[Eleanors38]

96. I see how the new rules work on DU. Except for Gunz.

[TheDebbieDee]

2. Wurzburg! I lived there from 1987 - 1990.

Beautiful city... I hope this was a lone wolf by some nut and not another terror attack...

[oberliner]

4. Depressing

Another senseless tragedy.

[sarisataka]

8. Too much violence

everywhere

[NWCorona]

12. Here is the best English link to updates on this so far.

http://heavy.com/news/2016/07/germany-german-train-axe-attack-victims-suspect-wurzburg-heidingsfeld-terrorism-isis/

[matt819]

15. You know what I think is causing all this weird shit around the world?

Baton Rouge
Somewhere in Minnesota
Dallas
Baton Rouge
Nice
Turkey
Germany
Brexit

Chemtrails. It's the only rational explanation. Worldwide distribution of whatever it is that chemtrails spray on all of us. I'm troubled that Alex Jones has kept this a secret.

[PersonNumber503602]

88. Not sure if serious.

I'm gonna go get the opinion of my gang stalkers to see if they think you're serious or not.

[matt819]

89. Not serious (nt)

[NWCorona]

16. Now it's just 4 injured with three seriously. 14 unharmed

Update: 3 Schwer- und 1 Leichtverletzter bei Attacke in Zug nahe Würzburg https://t.co/jTFCXqLY0O @SWPde (fho)

[NWCorona]

19. German media are saying it was a 17yo Afghan migrant

http://www.tagesschau.de/eilmeldung/eilmeldung-1485.html

[MariaThinks]

21. surprised?

[NWCorona]

24. Sadly no. I lived in Germany for a bit and stay in touch with a few friends.

They don't paint a good picture of what's going on right now in Europe.

[840high]

80. Not at all.

[6chars]

35. Germany must stop its extrajudicial killing of children

[christx30]

90. A, quite a lot of the migrants lie about their age.

He could have been in his early 20's, since there's no way of verifying them.
And, B, he could have just gone to his destination without trying to murder anyone. I'm glad he died a failure. I hope he knew he died for nothing.

[MariaThinks]

91. and atone for world war 1 and 2

how dare they allow anyone into their country and expect some sort of peace

[Elmergantry]

40. One of Merkels guests???

No frickin way!!!

[NWCorona]

42. And now they have judges threatening to arrest people who criticize refugees.

[Elmergantry]

45. Circling the drain...

western civilization is...

[Yo_Mama]

49. They're not just threatening it - they're doing it. n/t

[NWCorona]

51. Yeah, craziness!

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

59. The usual suspects here will be along to applaud such measures

[philosslayer]

72. You are correct

Hate speech has no place in a civil society.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

73. The idea that someone such as yourself....

.....who has essentially told assault victims to shut their mouths and mind their business could be allowed to define "hate speech" is frightening.

[philosslayer]

74. I've never done any such thing.

But of course that won't stop you from making a ridiculous accusation.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

76. You repeatedly dismissed the reports of whom assaulted them as reported to police and newspapers

You've made your stand. On record.

[philosslayer]

78. I've dismissed rumors and innuendo

Never facts. I do appreciate the attention though. I have no idea what your posting history is. I'm quite flattered. Blushing even a tad I must admit.

[christx30]

93. I don't like the idea of anyone being arrested

for speech that's not threatening to people. If you don't like something someone says, counter it with your own views. But to arrest and imprison someone because of it shows that you have no counter, an you want to shut someone up. Think gulags. Think reeducation camps. That's not democracy. That's not civil society.

[GummyBearz]

97. I think you posted in the wrong thread

There is nothing about hate speech here. Its about an attack that took place

[7962]

70. Really? You gotta be kidding. I guess we are used to the rights we have here.

I remember a movie many years back where an American is in some country and gets arrested & hollers "You cant do this! I'm an American, I know my rights!" The police tell him "You're not IN America; your rights mean nothing HERE"

[Yo_Mama]

22. Axe & knife - 17 year old Afghan per Bavarian Interior Minister

http://www.tagesschau.de/inland/wuerzburg-regionalzug-101.html

3 severely injured, 1 less severely. After the attack he got off the train and charged police, upon which they shot him down.



There was an odd situation not too long ago in Germany: a guy who was probably nuts and was described as speaking poor German took a bunch of hostages in a movie theater. He got shot by a special team - it turned out his gun was not the real thing.

I think violence is in the air around the world these days.

[B2G]

25. Refugee, unaccompanied minor. Nt

[Yo_Mama]

27. But he may not actually be either 17 or an Afghan. What with the no ID practice,

he may just have told authorities that he was 17 and an Afghan.

[NWCorona]

39. Very true!

[jpak]

30. and the gun nuts will be howling for ax bans

OK

and gun bans too

yup

[maxsolomon]

63. It does show that other deadly weapons are, in general, less deadly than firearms.

I am glad this idiot kid didn't have a gun. It would probably have involved deaths.

[6chars]

34. reminiscent of this from May 10

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/germany-stabbing-attack-at-grafing-station-near-munich/

BERLIN -- German officials said one person was killed and several wounded in a stabbing attack at a train station near Munich early Tuesday morning.

The suspect was reportedly heard shouting Allahu Akbar (God is great) before or during the attack, according to witnesses, but authorities later appeared to rule out an Islamic extremist motive.

[840high]

81. Yes.

[6chars]

84. They hate trains.

[MowCowWhoHow III]

36. German train assault 'probably' Islamist attack: official

#BREAKING German train assault 'probably' Islamist attack: official
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/755167788424134656

Attacker in #Würzburg was an Afghan refugee who shouted “Allahu Akbar” during the attack: Minister
https://twitter.com/Conflicts/status/755167338480168961

[7962]

71. "Probably"? They'll bend over backwards to find an excuse for him.

[840high]

82. As we do in the USA.

[7962]

86. Yep!

[Yo_Mama]

44. Good Lord!! He'd been recently placed with a foster family!

http://www.faz.net/aktuell/gesellschaft/angreifer-nach-attacke-von-der-polizei-erschossen-14347135.html

Er sei ohne Eltern nach Deutschland, habe seit einiger Zeit im Landkreis Würzburg gelebt, in einer Einrichtung in Ochsenfurt. Zuletzt habe er bei einer Pflegefamilie gewohnt.

Auf die Frage, ob es einen islamistischen Hintergrund geben könnte, sagte Herrmann, es habe angeblich einen „Ausruf“ gegeben. Dies müsse aber noch geprüft werden.

He had arrived without parents in Germany, and lived for a while in Wurzberg in a shelter in Ochsenfurt. Recently he lived with a foster family.

In response to the question, if there could be an Islamic connection, Hermann said, there had reportedly been an "outcry". That remained, however, to be substantiated.

[romanic]

52. God help Germany.

Those innocents attacked from some medieval scumbag. Thankfully the little fucker got neutralized but still.

[840high]

83. God help Germany

because Merkel won't.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

57. The Islamic extremists now all in on the right wing taking over Europe and Trump as prez....

Fucking scum.

[muriel_volestrangler]

92. German train attack: Afghan knifeman 'wanted revenge' for friend's death

Prosecutors in Germany say a teenager who attacked train passengers with an axe in Wuerzburg had learnt that a friend had been killed in Afghanistan, and wanted to get revenge.
...
Bavarian regional prosecutor Erik Ohlenschlager said the boy was a devout Muslim and wanted to get revenge on "infidels" who had harmed his Muslim friends. He accepted that his own death was a possibility.

Mr Ohlenschlager said the attack was "definitely politically motivated".

But Bavaria's Interior Minister Joachim Herrmann said there was no indication the teenager had direct contact with IS.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36837109

The attack had been carried out with an “Islamist religious motive”, a spokesperson for the state office of criminal investigations said. A hand-painted Islamic State flag had been found in the teenager’s room at his foster home, as well as a college book with a text written in Pashtun.

Lothar Köhler, the director of the Bavarian investigations office, said he understood the text to be a farewell letter to the teenager’s father, in which he complained about “nonbelievers”. In one key passage, he wrote: “Now pray for me that I can take revenge on these nonbelievers, and pray for me, that I make my way into heaven.”
...
The teenager had found out on Friday or Saturday that a close friend of his had died in Afghanistan, Köhler said – an event that may have played a role in his radicalisation. Witnesses said the 17-year-old had spent a lot of time on the phone after being informed of his friend’s death. A mobile phone that the attacker discarded while on the run has since been recovered.

The Bavarian interior minister, Joachim Herrmann, said the notebook entry was a strong indicator that the teenager “could be a person who had been self-radicalised”. At the same time, Herrmann said, there was no evidence that the attack had been organised or coordinated directly by Isis. “There are currently no indicators of the young man being part of the Islamist militia’s network.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/19/germany-train-attack-could-prompt-rethink-of-counter-terrorism-policy

[Yo_Mama]

94. The video has also been verified - he did the standard testimonial.

They don't generally leave doubts about their motivation.

ISIS' call for "pop-up" attacks is getting some response.

[MowCowWhoHow III]

95. Brussels man surrounded in 'bomb alert'

Brussels man surrounded in 'bomb alert'

Police in Brussels say they have surrounded a man who was behaving suspiciously and wearing a heavy winter coat with protruding wires.

A large police operation is underway near Place de la Monnaie in the centre of the Belgian capital.

Several hours after the stand-off began, police tweeted that the situation was "unchanged".

The bomb squad is present. Shops nearby have been evacuated and several streets are closed.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36844437

[rockfordfile]

99. What does this have to do with the topic of the thread?

Besides it was a student in Brussels.