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BrentWil

(2,384 posts)
Sun Jan 1, 2012, 11:55 PM Jan 2012

PPP New Iowa Poll: Paul 20, Romney 19, Santorum 18, Gingrich 14, Perry 10, Bachmann 8, Huntsman 4

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Paul 20, Romney 19, Santorum 18, Gingrich 14, Perry 10, Bachmann 8, Huntsman 4, Roemer 2

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2012/01/headed-for-a-photo-finish-in-iowa.html




Simply amazing. With Paul falling, Santorum rising, and the GOP being lukewarm over Romney... who knows who will win on Tuesday. THe clown show continues. If you go to the story, it is clear that Santorum has some room to continue to grow.

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PPP New Iowa Poll: Paul 20, Romney 19, Santorum 18, Gingrich 14, Perry 10, Bachmann 8, Huntsman 4 (Original Post) BrentWil Jan 2012 OP
AWESOME!!! JoePhilly Jan 2012 #1
A long drawn out fight with Santorum winning would be amazing for us NT BrentWil Jan 2012 #2
I don't know. LAGC Jan 2012 #9
Mitt's already promised as much... ingac70 Jan 2012 #24
I think Mitt is the other way around Ter Jan 2012 #27
Would you settle for a sociopath pretending to be coalition_unwilling Jan 2012 #34
Link does not work center rising Jan 2012 #3
Twitter links are weird here. jefferson_dem Jan 2012 #4
ummm... BrentWil Jan 2012 #6
Should work now. NT BrentWil Jan 2012 #10
Paul is probably dropping, but has the most motivated supporters. Renew Deal Jan 2012 #5
Oh boy... "With voters who decided in the last week: Santorum 29, Romney 17, Paul 13" jefferson_dem Jan 2012 #7
And the fact that the GOP just doesn't like him... BrentWil Jan 2012 #8
lol 1stlady Jan 2012 #11
I think it's spell "hategaysdontknowmuchaboutanything" Armin-A Jan 2012 #23
It's amazing how they all take turns driving the clown car DesertRat Jan 2012 #12
Santorum won't win the nomination, but he can at least prolong the contest maximusveritas Jan 2012 #13
Maybe the GOP of 4 years ago... BrentWil Jan 2012 #14
If that was the case, they'd have stuck with Bachman or Perry maximusveritas Jan 2012 #15
One thing about a last minute surge is that people actually start voting. If he starts to win... BrentWil Jan 2012 #17
THIS, dumb luck, but Santorum has appeal to the three core R groups Cosmocat Jan 2012 #38
He is a hard worker BrentWil Jan 2012 #40
I tend to agree Cosmocat Jan 2012 #48
and despite how he postures he has no morals SixthSense Jan 2012 #42
I remember hearing Spector speak about him Cosmocat Jan 2012 #49
The possible difference is creeksneakers2 Jan 2012 #21
But Murdoch apparently likes Santorum nxylas Jan 2012 #31
I agree. I think that is the thing with Ron Paul. I DO NOT want him to be President. But the media musicblind Jan 2012 #39
Post removed Post removed Jan 2012 #45
he is most definitely my enemy's enemy SixthSense Jan 2012 #43
I don't want him to be President, but I'd love to see him win a primary or three nxylas Jan 2012 #47
Iowa's Republicans are insane. McCamy Taylor Jan 2012 #16
I doubt Paul will win lacrew Jan 2012 #18
Fascinating! jimlup Jan 2012 #19
Iowa Robbins Jan 2012 #20
Romney Winning Iowa won't end it... BrentWil Jan 2012 #22
I think PPP are the robo-pollers. I don't trust them. Bucky Jan 2012 #25
PPP Robbins Jan 2012 #26
Pollees: "we don't really like any of these guys" SixthSense Jan 2012 #28
This is what it will come down to jmowreader Jan 2012 #29
I can add only this statement CountAllVotes Jan 2012 #30
Let's hope these clowns Surya Gayatri Jan 2012 #32
It would only take one of the extreme right candidates to throw their support to nonSanity for him efhmc Jan 2012 #33
I think Rick is gonna (sorry) come from behind and take this! Yay! TygrBright Jan 2012 #35
Check out these numbers: zeke67 Jan 2012 #36
They don't have a clue who to pick from that bunch! marlakay Jan 2012 #37
As soon as one is in the lead and scrutinized they fall back in the pack. harun Jan 2012 #51
Mission accomplished rocktivity Jan 2012 #41
GOP SINGS: "Send in the clowns...don't bother, they're here." maddogesq Jan 2012 #44
One GOP clown car, coming right up! rocktivity Jan 2012 #46
I'd love to see Paul come out ahead today. It would be a big Eff U to all the Neo-con's. harun Jan 2012 #50
LOL...fantastic!! and-justice-for-all Jan 2012 #52

LAGC

(5,330 posts)
9. I don't know.
Mon Jan 2, 2012, 12:17 AM
Jan 2012

If the economy really tanks again before November, the "alternative" is going to look pretty tempting to a lot of people.

I'd rather have someone -- ANYONE -- but hard-core social conservatives like Bachmann, Perry, or Santorum winning the nomination and being that "alternative."

We'd surely be at war with Iran within a year if he somehow won...

ingac70

(7,947 posts)
24. Mitt's already promised as much...
Mon Jan 2, 2012, 01:52 AM
Jan 2012

so we might as well go up against a crazy rather than a crazy pretending to be moderate.

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
34. Would you settle for a sociopath pretending to be
Mon Jan 2, 2012, 12:27 PM
Jan 2012

a moderate?

~snip

The incident: dog excrement found on the roof and windows of the Romney station wagon. How it got there: Romney strapped a dog carrier — with the family dog Seamus, an Irish Setter, in it — to the roof of the family station wagon for a twelve hour drive from Boston to Ontario, which the family apparently completed, despite Seamus's rather visceral protest.

~snip

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1638065,00.html

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BrentWil

(2,384 posts)
6. ummm...
Mon Jan 2, 2012, 12:10 AM
Jan 2012

I am not sure why the last part of it is black. It is a twitter feed. If you copy and past it, it should work.

Renew Deal

(81,846 posts)
5. Paul is probably dropping, but has the most motivated supporters.
Mon Jan 2, 2012, 12:09 AM
Jan 2012

Santorum is surging.

And Romney is out out state. I hope Iowans punish him for that.

jefferson_dem

(32,683 posts)
7. Oh boy... "With voters who decided in the last week: Santorum 29, Romney 17, Paul 13"
Mon Jan 2, 2012, 12:12 AM
Jan 2012

Tuesday is going to be interesting. Romney's ceiling is undeniable. anyone?

BrentWil

(2,384 posts)
8. And the fact that the GOP just doesn't like him...
Mon Jan 2, 2012, 12:16 AM
Jan 2012

"Santorum 23, Gingrich 18, Paul 16, Bachmann 15, Romney 12. If Mitt doesn't win that's why"

Non-crazy GOP voters like him in comparison to the others. Thats it.

Armin-A

(367 posts)
23. I think it's spell "hategaysdontknowmuchaboutanything"
Mon Jan 2, 2012, 01:25 AM
Jan 2012

I'm sorry if anyone finds this offensive, but It is so hard to believe that the most important issues to these people include reversing the removal of DADT, removing pro-gay marriage judges, their religion...etc when there are so many other things that need to be fixed. Government is suppose to provide opportunity and support to people not limit them.

Big brother that teaches you how to catch, and not the big brother that picks on you.

EDIT: Wanted to rant more
Solution to our problems isn't simply remove funding for anything that rich people don't need

maximusveritas

(2,915 posts)
13. Santorum won't win the nomination, but he can at least prolong the contest
Mon Jan 2, 2012, 12:39 AM
Jan 2012

and make it tougher on Romney. Let's face it, the Republican Party is going to make sure Romney is their nominee in the end.

BrentWil

(2,384 posts)
14. Maybe the GOP of 4 years ago...
Mon Jan 2, 2012, 12:42 AM
Jan 2012

But the GOP primary voter has gone insane.... I just don't see them falling in line this year.

maximusveritas

(2,915 posts)
15. If that was the case, they'd have stuck with Bachman or Perry
Mon Jan 2, 2012, 12:51 AM
Jan 2012

But as soon as those guys got some negative press, the voters abandoned them. I think the same will happen to Santorum. He just lucked out that his rise came at the last minute, so the GOP and media didn't have a chance to attack him.

BrentWil

(2,384 posts)
17. One thing about a last minute surge is that people actually start voting. If he starts to win...
Mon Jan 2, 2012, 12:54 AM
Jan 2012

that can keep going.

Cosmocat

(14,558 posts)
38. THIS, dumb luck, but Santorum has appeal to the three core R groups
Mon Jan 2, 2012, 05:42 PM
Jan 2012

He is a balls out religious zeolot, who will appeal to the fundies.

He is a balls out war nut, who will appeal to the neocon types.

He ran the K Street operation for the senate, so he is in with big business.

He is a big NRA guy.

Santorum, more than some of the fast risers is a for real politician, too. He was larger than life in Pa for 15 years, and raised the most money ever for a senate race when he lost to Casey.

He is mean, he is tough, he is smart, he is a very hard worker as a campaigner.

I know a lot of people here dismiss him, and make no mistake, he is a freak, but he could be VERY formidable.

BrentWil

(2,384 posts)
40. He is a hard worker
Mon Jan 2, 2012, 06:42 PM
Jan 2012

WHich is why I don't dismiss him winning the primary. I just think he is too far to the right on so many things that it will really hurt him in the general. It is not mainstream to be "against" contraception.

Cosmocat

(14,558 posts)
48. I tend to agree
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 11:15 AM
Jan 2012

Bob Casey murdered him in his last senate race - even in a state that is a legitimately 50/50 he was so clearly too extreme despite being so formidable.

He just might have been lucky enough to have his turn in the the front nut parade come right at the time actual primary elections are going live. He shows well in Iowa, that might be enough for him to launch through the primary.

BO is a lot like Casey - cool. I imagine that compared to Santorum, he will look good.

And, not sure how any candidate in the final two is going to do when he will freely admit to having itchy trigger fingers with the military. Bad/weak economy or not, Iraq is still in enough people's minds that they are going to have a hard time voting for someone who might have us in a war with Iran before January of 2013 ends.

 

SixthSense

(829 posts)
42. and despite how he postures he has no morals
Mon Jan 2, 2012, 11:56 PM
Jan 2012

he went balls to the wall for Arlen Specter of all people, one of the most corrupt bastards ever to disgrace the Senate (and that's saying quite a bit)

nxylas

(6,440 posts)
31. But Murdoch apparently likes Santorum
Mon Jan 2, 2012, 06:09 AM
Jan 2012

The candidate he really has the knives out for is Ron Paul. That could be one reason why Paul gets more sympathetic treatment here than most (along with being right on two or three issues) - the "my enemy's enemy" principle.

musicblind

(4,484 posts)
39. I agree. I think that is the thing with Ron Paul. I DO NOT want him to be President. But the media
Mon Jan 2, 2012, 05:49 PM
Jan 2012

has been so blatantly unfair to him that it makes you want to tear your hair out.

It makes the entire country look bad when a candidate is leading in the polls for the Iowa Caucus and CNN doesn't even cover it.

And AGAIN, I am not a Ron Paul backer. I do not want Ron Paul to be president. But I DO want all candidates to be treated fairly. No matter how crazy we make think they are. That is part of the American process.

Response to musicblind (Reply #39)

 

SixthSense

(829 posts)
43. he is most definitely my enemy's enemy
Mon Jan 2, 2012, 11:58 PM
Jan 2012

I've never seen the elitist Right so scared of anyone and I enjoy their fear a lot. They seem less concerned about winning the general as they are about keeping control of the GOP.

nxylas

(6,440 posts)
47. I don't want him to be President, but I'd love to see him win a primary or three
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 07:13 AM
Jan 2012

Just to watch the wailing and gnashing of teeth.

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
19. Fascinating!
Mon Jan 2, 2012, 12:57 AM
Jan 2012

If Paul wins Iowa the mainstream conservative media (Fox et al.) may implode. They will be beside themselves and very very confused. It will be fun to watch.

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
20. Iowa
Mon Jan 2, 2012, 01:06 AM
Jan 2012

The thing we don't want Is Romney winning In Iowa ending things.If Santorum can win tuesday It will be an act of god for our side.
This will push Romney even further to the right.

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
26. PPP
Mon Jan 2, 2012, 02:38 AM
Jan 2012

They have good track record.I put more faith In their polling than anywhere else.

Now I believe a Romney win would be terrable for us In Iowa.we want this circus to keep going.If Romney actually wins Iowa he will
have blowout In NH.Granted he might still have some trouble In SC.But If Santorum or Gingrich can't win Iowa they might have trouble beating Romney here.Although If there Is still a split among conservatives that can help Romney In SC.That was partly how Mccain won
the SC primary In 2008.

I am hoping the circus can go on till Super tuesday at least.Here's hoping Santurm wins tesday to keep this circus going.

 

SixthSense

(829 posts)
28. Pollees: "we don't really like any of these guys"
Mon Jan 2, 2012, 03:26 AM
Jan 2012

amazing how none of them can sustain their moment in the sun. Soon as the light of day shines on these critters their supporters scatter!

jmowreader

(50,528 posts)
29. This is what it will come down to
Mon Jan 2, 2012, 04:35 AM
Jan 2012

First, I don't think Romney is going to win Iowa. He is going in front of a bunch of teabaggers who absolutely despise him for various reasons--they don't like his religion, they don't like his flip-flopping, whatever. He will probably win New Hampshire, though.

Which brings Iowa down to Ron Paul, Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich. Who wins depends on which batch of teabaggers bring the most people.

If the "we have to destroy the federal government in order to save it" teabaggers have the majority, Paul wins.

If the "get rid of 'Obamacare,' ban abortion and cut taxes, and we don't care about anything else" crowd is the majority, Santorum wins.

If the "erase the Obama presidency, right now" crowd turns out, Gingrich wins.

But if you get right down to it, there's not a lick of difference between ANY of them, except maybe Ron Paul, and if Paul were to get to the general election ballot he'd morph into a Standard Republican Candidate. At one time I described the GOP primary field as "one candidate with fourteen heads." That's not true anymore--we're down to seven heads, but it's still the same fucking guy. If Paul's stances really start to gain traction, they will all adopt them.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
32. Let's hope these clowns
Mon Jan 2, 2012, 06:59 AM
Jan 2012

cancel each other out--that they all come out of this battle beaten, bloodied and beyond redemption.

What a sad, bad joke my parents Repub party has become. And I suspect it hasn't hit bottom yet.

You can say the DNC are nothing but a bunch of corporate tools, but never would they allow such a team of losers to be fielded at the national level. SG

efhmc

(14,723 posts)
33. It would only take one of the extreme right candidates to throw their support to nonSanity for him
Mon Jan 2, 2012, 10:27 AM
Jan 2012

to win.

TygrBright

(20,755 posts)
35. I think Rick is gonna (sorry) come from behind and take this! Yay!
Mon Jan 2, 2012, 01:20 PM
Jan 2012

A frothy mix is JUST what the GOP needs!

hopefully,
Bright

 

zeke67

(8 posts)
36. Check out these numbers:
Mon Jan 2, 2012, 02:26 PM
Jan 2012

Within that poll Paul is leading with Democratic Voters 21% to 17% Republicans. More interesting is that 32% of Paul supporters in Iowa consider themselves "very liberal", 26% somewhat liberal, 26% Moderate, 19% somewhat conservative, and 16% very conservative.

Sure does have a mixed bag of voters.

maddogesq

(1,245 posts)
44. GOP SINGS: "Send in the clowns...don't bother, they're here."
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 12:28 AM
Jan 2012

Effing circus.

This one is O's to loose, mark my word.

My prediction: Romney wins GOP nom because he has the most money. Paul might do some crazy stuff and run indy. He should get some stick-on ears so he can be the mule spoiler Ross Perot.

So now, O shouldn't be scared to really start rubbing their faces in doo doo don't ya know.

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