PM May says wants to reduce migration into UK to 'tens of thousands'
Source: Reuters
British Prime Minister Theresa May said on Wednesday she wanted to reduce yearly net migration into Britain to the "tens of thousands", a level she said was sustainable.
She told a news conference in Berlin that the British government had always sought to reduce migration into Britain to "sustainable" levels. "I believe those sustainable levels are in the tens of thousands," she added.
Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-may-migration-idUSKCN1002E3
Short article, very short -- that's its entirety.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)wrecking nations and cultures all across the globe, and now she wants to turn off the spigot. This sort of thing is why some of us pilloried the left that thought people left the eu to be more free. I will bet England become's Europe's tax haven.
7962
(11,841 posts)They see whats happening elsewhere and dont want it to happen in England. I dont want it to happen here either.
AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)closeupready
(29,503 posts)If I were to ask which country was the most corrupt in the world, you might say Afghanistan, Nigeria or Russia maybe Mexico. I would say, the United Kingdom. True, the latest report from Transparency International, in 2015, put the UK in the top 10 cleanest countries in the world. Yet corruption has crept in, in the form of investments, many of which are the profits of illegal activity.
Another 2015 report, this time from the Tax Justice Network, which ranks countries according to the secrecy and scale of their offshore financial activities, had Switzerland at number one out of 100 countries; the UK was 15. However, British crown dependencies and offshore tax havens were ranked separately. A footnote in the report stated: If Britains network had been assessed together, it would be at the top.
Non-government organisations including Transparency, writers such as Nicholas Shaxson in his book Treasure Islands, and the National Crime Agency have all drawn attention to this issue. Recently activists from ActionAid UK, Oxfam and Christian Aid covered part of Trafalgar Square with sand, palm trees and deck chairs to draw attention to Londons role as one of the tax havens through which illegal profits are moved. But we are a long way from the public outrage one might expect.
The members of the tax haven club share certain guarantees: they ensure banking clients total secrecy, they release no information to other countries tax authorities, and they offer a low- or zero-level tax rate for people who are non-domiciled. Opening companies in tax havens is completely legal. The problem is the ends for which these companies are used.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/23/real-threat-britain-borders-flow-dirty-money-eu
And from 2011:
On 7 October 2002, an Anglican priest, William Campbell-Taylor, and an English-Jewish academic, Maurice Glasman, came to the law lords to challenge a parliamentary bill. It was the start of an episode that anyone worried about tax avoidance - or, for that matter, about the fate of the NHS, about economic inequality, about student loans, about capital flight from Africa, about global financial deregulation or about the political might of the financial sector - ought to know about. Yet there was little media interest.
The bill concerned the City of London Corporation, the local-government authority for the 1.2-square-mile slab of prime real estate in central London that is the City of London. The corporation is an ancient, semi-alien entity lodged inside the British nation state; a "prehistoric monster which had mysteriously survived into the modern world", as a 19th-century would-be City reformer put it. The words remain apt today. Few people care that London has a mayor and a lord mayor - but they should: the corporation is an offshore island inside Britain, a tax haven in its own right.
The term "tax haven" is a bit of a misnomer, because such places aren't just about tax. What they sell is escape: from the laws, rules and taxes of jurisdictions elsewhere, usually with secrecy as their prime offering. The notion of elsewhere (hence the term "offshore" is central. The Cayman Islands' tax and secrecy laws are not designed for the benefit of the 50,000-odd Caymanians, but help wealthy people and corporations, mostly in the US and Europe, get around the rules of their own democratic societies. The outcome is one set of rules for a rich elite and another for the rest of us.
http://www.newstatesman.com/economy/2011/02/london-corporation-city
modem77
(191 posts)TubbersUK
(1,439 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)So, take that UK suckers, you are stuck on your little island!
7962
(11,841 posts)Like it or not, the uncontrolled immigration that has been allowed for years in Europe has resulted in a disaster. Whatever the size of the country, only a certain amount can be absorbed without trouble.
uawchild
(2,208 posts)The refugee crisis was totally mismanaged and the impact in Europe of millions of immigrants entering in an uncontrolled fashion is enormous.
Politically, it may very well allow ultra-nationalist right wing parties to come to power. It's a mess.
7962
(11,841 posts)The more stories like whats happened in Germany with them trying to cover up the hundreds of assaults on women will push more to the right. Because people will think about THEIR wives/daughters/mothers/sisters. And when politicians come out with stupid shit like THIS:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/07/19/german-politician-stirs-debate-after-criticizing-police-for-shooting-axe-wielding-attacker/
Its only going to speed up the growth of farther right groups.
My grandmother's family had to sponsor the others in her family before they were allowed to come here back around 1910-1920. You had to take care of them if they were unable to find work until they did. Today, none of that is required. Hasnt been for years.
Angel Martin
(942 posts)increases should not be allowed without a supermajority.
Even constitutional amendments can be revoked (eg Prohibition) but immigration and citizenship is forever.
A single politician like Merkel should not be allowed to permanently change the demographics of a country.
7962
(11,841 posts)Managed immigration should've been implemented from the start instead of opening the floodgates like what's happened in Germany and Sweden. May is using common sense.
TubbersUK
(1,439 posts)Last edited Thu Jul 21, 2016, 08:10 AM - Edit history (15)
For clarification and in response to some of the fear mongering and misinformation on this thread:
Slightly over 50% of all UK immigration in 2015 was from outside the EU - thus under UK exclusive control.
There are hard border controls between the UK and continental Europe at Calais and elsewhere
Recent rises in the headline net immigration figure reflect a relative drop in emigration
The 2015 net immigration figure is 333,000 - total EU and non-Eu.
Current UK population 64,000,000
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36382199
ETA: The UK receives around 25,000 asylum applications each year (60% of which are refused) - in the UK successful asylum seekers are then classified as refugees. We accepted 166 Syrian refugees in 2015 and 5000 overall since 2011.
ETA: 47% of non-EU immigrants are here to study (highly profitable for the UK), 22% have been recruited by UK employers, including the NHS. Of the EU immigrants, 41% have been recruited by UK employers and 32% are here to look for work.
ETA: For those concerned that our population is in imminent danger of spilling over the sides into the sea, we have 262 people per sq km - i.e. fewer than Belgium and The Netherlands for instance.
ETA: As I understand it, immigration overall has been fiscally neutral for the UK (going back 10 yrs). More recent immigration, particularly EC immigration, has however has been fiscally positive.
ericson00
(2,707 posts)one can be against inhumane and uneconomical plans, like Trump's plan to deport 12 million people already in the country in question, without thinking that border's don't need to exist.
TipTok
(2,474 posts)They have been lax in recent years and are reaping the results now.
That is true. I will just say that the Uk kind of needs to stop the unlimited immigration as they can't hold anymore people as the entire landmass is slightly smaller then Oregon. Such an argument doesn't work for America as our landmass is at least as big as china and that means we could hold 2 billion people.
So unlimited immigration for a couple of centuries for America should be ok and would probably help us compete against the rising eastern powers.
pampango
(24,692 posts)Yet the conservative nativism in evidence in the UK is not present in Ireland.
The right needs to send Trump, Johnson and Farage to Ireland, Sweden and elsewhere to stir up fear of OTHERS. That fear is sorely lacking in Ireland, Sweden and other progressive countries.
(Most of them already have far-right, anti-immigration parties (like our tea party zealots) but TJF can give them a boost.
Donald can build a wall in the English Channel to solve the UK's 'immigration problem'.
TubbersUK
(1,439 posts)Just found this piece re Thatcher and The National Front fighting it out for the bigot vote in 1979 - I was struck by how little some things really change.
Margaret Thatcher complained about Asian immigration to Britain
If we do not want people to go to extremes we ourselves must talk about this problem and we must show that we are prepared to deal with it, she added.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/margaret-thatcher/6906503/Margaret-Thatcher-complained-about-Asian-immigration-to-Britain.html
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Denzil_DC
(7,227 posts)According to a new report from the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development, the UK actually has a much greater proportion of citizens living overseas than any other European country.
That means we are the ones going over there, tekkin thurr jahbs.
Around 3.97 million UK citizens were living abroad in 2010-11, and since then the numbers have grown.
Globally, Britain was second only to Mexico which had 12million citizens living in other countries.
http://metro.co.uk/2015/11/06/so-many-british-people-live-abroad-that-now-the-immigration-debate-is-about-us-5485131/
Rex
(65,616 posts)deal with a few people needing jobs in the UK from other nations? What was it I was told after the 2000 coup? Oh right...deal with it?
I feel sorry for the UK...the new PM sounds horrible.