Olympic ban remains for Russia athletes

[Surya Gayatri]

Last edited Thu Jul 21, 2016, 09:40 AM - Edit history (5)

Source: BBC News

A decision to ban Russian track and field athletes from Rio 2016 over the country's alleged state-sponsored doping regime has been upheld by the Court of Arbitration for Sport.


2012 Olympic pole-vault champion Yelena Isinbayeva was among the 68 athletes to appeal and may now be unable to defend her title in Rio.



Read more: http://www.bbc.com/news http://www.bbc.com/sport/olympics/36855244

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Putin is NOT going to be pleased. Will Russia try to avenge their humiliation in other ways?

Will Putin exert Russia's influence militarily to show his people that he won't stand for being treated with such disdain?

[rpannier]

1. He'll probably be a little diplomatic

He has the 2018 World Cup to host and he probably will want to avoid any spill-over
If the level of doping is as wide spread as some allege that could cause some questions about the soccer team

[ansible]

2. Good riddance

Eagerly awaiting the internet butthurt from the troll army soon

[muriel_volestrangler]

3. Wrong and misleading headline - please correct

The BBC site says "Rio Olympics 2016: Russia fails to overturn athlete ban for next month's Games". Russia is not banned from the whole Olympics - that has not been decided yet. This is only about track and field athletics.

[Surya Gayatri]

6. "Russia Banned From Rio Olympics" - Headline of the BBC News homepage as we speak.

A decision to ban Russian athletes from Rio 2016 over an alleged state sponsored doping regime is upheld by the Court of Arbitration for Sport.

http://www.bbc.com/news

[muriel_volestrangler]

7. But not the headline of the story you've linked to, and you know it's misleading

don't just shrug your shoulders - check the story you linked to in the OP.

And don't just change your link to point to the main page - that's even worse. That will have stories that change, and which doesn't give the full excerpt you used. Plus, it actually says "Olympic ban remains for Russian athletes". You're getting this really wrong.

[Surya Gayatri]

8. "Russia Banned From Rio Olympics" is the active link that leads to the text.

We can't use headlines from the BBC homepage?

[muriel_volestrangler]

11. "Russia Banned From Rio Olympics" comes from god knows where. And you know it's misleading

That's the real problem - you read one headline somewhere some time ago, and are now insisting on making that the headline for your thread, when neither of the pages you've linked to say it. And it tells people Russia is banned from the Olympics, which is not true. The real headlines are more informative, and they're what we're meant to use.

[Surya Gayatri]

13. "Russia Banned From Rio Olympics" comes from here:

http://www.bbc.com/news

[muriel_volestrangler]

14. No, it doesn't - I've just added a screenshot of that to #7

You've just got "Russia Banned From Rio Olympics" stuck in your mind.

[BumRushDaShow]

20. I am seeing the same as Surya

I expect that BBC is caching on different servers with different headlines.

There is apparently a USA & Canada "version" of BBC vs your screenshot that shows "N.l Ireland" and other UK countries as subtabs.

[muriel_volestrangler]

28. And what does it read on the page that has the story?

ie http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/36855244

For me, that reads "Rio Olympics 2016: Russia fails to overturn athlete ban for next month's Games", and has done so for 2 hours. That is what LBN rules say should be used - the story headline, not a summary from elsewhere. What's more, we all know the summary is misleading.

You do agree the thread title should be changed, don't you?

[BumRushDaShow]

32. Your screenshot on post #7

of the main site was still different from what we are seeing. That is my issue.

[metroins]

34. Wow.

Just amazed at how this conversation went...and that I read it.

[GummyBearz]

58. Some people like to argue about the definition of words

It usually comes down to trying to defend a position. Like saying "that depends on what the definition of 'is' is".

[awoke_in_2003]

60. One rule in LBN

is that the title of the post MUST match the headline. When we had moderators, I was one of the LBN mods. The problem that occurs sometimes is the news source changes the wording of the headline. It is frustrating

[Surya Gayatri]

16. VERY strange. I don't know how to do a screen shot, but the headline at the very top of my BBC

homepage (in France) is the one at the top of the OP:

"Russia Banned From Rio Olympics"

This is NOT my imagination. That headline has been there since the news was broken.

If you tell me how to do a screen shot, I'll prove it to you.

[muriel_volestrangler]

19. The first thing to do is use the headline for the page you linked to

which is "Rio Olympics 2016: Russia fails to overturn athlete ban for next month's Games"

That's what LBN rules tells us to do.

To do a screen shot, if you're using Windows, look for a 'prt scr' or similar on one of the buttons at the top right of your keyboard. You'll probably have to hold down Ctrl, or Fn, to use it (on my keyboard, it has 'prt sc' inside a box, and the 'fn' key is also inside a box, indicating I get 'prt sc' when I hold down 'fn' and press the 'prt sc' key). This puts a copy of the screen in the clipboard. You then need a program that will save that - I use Microsoft Paint, which is very basic - you can open it, choose 'paste' and you get the saved picture. The you save that as a file, and then use a picture hosting service to upload that to the net - tinypic.com does it without you having to sign up. That gives you a URL for the picture which you can put in a post here.

[BumRushDaShow]

22. See post #14 with US version of BBC screenshot

Showing here -

[Surya Gayatri]

25. BumRush, you are a Prince/Princess!!! Thanks a million.

I have a French keyboard and am trying to learn how to do "screenshots".

[BumRushDaShow]

27. Am using a Windows 10 laptop at the moment & used the "snipping tool" program

but then after you do that, you have to upload the image somewhere to a host site and then link to it!

[Surya Gayatri]

31. I'm using French Windows 7 and have found the "Impr écran" key. After that, though,

I have NO idea what to do. Don't have an "image host site".

Not to worry...I'll try to get Mathieu, my "computer guy", to help me.

[BumRushDaShow]

33. Windows 7 comes with the "Snipping Tool" application too

that is part of the operating system...

[Surya Gayatri]

23. Major hiccup: my keyboard is a French one, and I don't know what Fn would be.

I have just found an "Impr écran" button, though, so I'll try to figure it out. Thanks for the step-by-step.

By the way, "Russia Banned From Rio Olympics" is STILL the top headline on the French BBC homepage. No change.

[muriel_volestrangler]

30. So, follow LBN rules and use the the title from the page the story is on

ie "Rio Olympics 2016: Russia fails to overturn athlete ban for next month's Games". That is also not misleading.

Please, I can't see why you have not put the correct headline up.

[BumRushDaShow]

35. It may be because the US version

had the same for the article at the time of posting and it was updated later. Why is this hard to understand that there may be different headline versions depending on which version of the site that you see at a particular moment?

Globalization.

[muriel_volestrangler]

37. I'ts not hard to understand - the thread title is not from the story

it's from a summary elsewhere, that the BBC has corrected on the UK site. The BBC main news page may change at any time, and is not where story headlines should come from. For instance, it now reads "Serviceman knife threat 'kidnap attempt'" for me, so it's useless to use that.

And, as I'm trying to explain, the thread title is false. Russia has not been banned from the Rio Olympics. But DU is still trying to tell people that it has been.

[BumRushDaShow]

40. What I am saying is that the story title

may have been the same as the "summary" title at the time of posting, but has since changed.

I am an LBN junkie and understand the concern because I am usually all over posts too but in this case, with international sites and headlines constantly updated, it's hard to police. I would agree that adding an "update" title would make sense in this instance because it was hyperbolic.

[muriel_volestrangler]

44. I looked at the story 3 minutes after this thread was started, and it read what I have said

not what the thread title still says. The main point is the title is highly misleading. Russia has not been banned from the Rio Olympics.

[BumRushDaShow]

49. I agree about what the current headline says now

but the point is, headlines may continually change all day and at the particular point of posting, if it stated a particular thing but changes later to better clarify the article content...then coming back to update might be prudent.

But to attack an OP for following LBN at a particular time of posting, yet accusing them of deliberate posting of misleading headlines, even if the site may have decided to update later (or is displaying different depending on locale), is disingenuous.

[muriel_volestrangler]

54. The headline at the story has never been used for the thread title

They have been, incorrectly, using the short headline from the main BBC news page, which may disappear at any time. They have never used the correct title from the page with the story on it, which is what LBN rules tell us to use.

But the main thing is that the title was misleading, and it took over 2 hours of badgering to get them to change it - and, in the mean time, we can see DUers misunderstood, because of that wrong title. They did deliberately keep the misleading headline - they edited the OP more than once while keeping the misleading headline.

[snooper2]

48. The more I'm reading on this thread, this could be HUGH!

[mahatmakanejeeves]

38. "Rio Olympics 2016: Russia fails to overturn athlete ban for next month's Games"

is the headline that I'm getting for the actual story, http://www.bbc.com/sport/olympics/36855244.

I can only speak regarding what the BBC has on file in the server to which I am being sent. I am in DC, in the U.S.

[BumRushDaShow]

46. Yes. That is what it the article is showing now.

And the US version has FINALLY updated their summary headline as well.

I.e., It went from this -



To this -



which is probably what finally happened to the story headline as the change propagated across their sites.

[Surya Gayatri]

51. I've edited the OP headline to what now appears on the BBC homepage:

Olympic ban remains for Russia athletes

Thanks for the realtime, documented explanation, BumRush.

[stonecutter357]

4. good.

[IronLionZion]

5. That's one country that should be seeing fewer cases of Zika

I'm sure the athletes who didn't dope would have liked to compete. But I would be concerned that the other countries delegations and spectators would be exposed to Zika virus and take it to their home countries.

[Javaman]

9. it seems that this olympics is going to be a shit show.

I feel sorry for the honest athletes who have worked and trained very hard to make the Olympics.

[Surya Gayatri]

10. Literally, with the level off fecal effluent found in the sailing venue.

[muriel_volestrangler]

12. Title should read "Rio Olympics 2016: Russia fails to overturn athlete ban for next month's Games"

Get it right.

[Surya Gayatri]

18. Seems to be some editorial glitch at the BBC. See here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141525400#post16

VERY strange. I don't know how to do a screen shot, but the headline at the very top of my BBC

homepage (in France) is the one at the top of the OP:

"Russia Banned From Rio Olympics"

This is NOT my imagination. That headline has been there since the news was broken.

If you tell me how to do a screen shot, I'll prove it to you.

[BumRushDaShow]

24. It's not a glitch

The US/Canadian version headline is different from the UK version. I posted a screenshots in post #14 & #19.

[Surya Gayatri]

26. And, I thank you for proving that I'm not crazy...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141525400#post25

[BumRushDaShow]

29. Every once in awhile

someone will create a DU thread showing headlines from various popular magazines (like Time) and how the images are completely different around the world from the one that the U.S. version publishes!

[uawchild]

36. Ok. I see. Sorry for thinking it was willful rule breaking

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[Sunlei]

15. let them come to Rio and defect to other countries where they can have a real career.

soccer too, some of their players may want to play the game undrugged without goons in the crowds.

[LanternWaste]

21. They'll invade and occupy another nation until they have enough countries to hold their own games

They'll simply invade and occupy another nation until Moscow thinks it has enough countries to hold their own world Olympics.

[happyslug]

39. I expect Putin to do what the Soviets did in 1984, hold a parallel Olympics.

The 1984 Los Angles Olympics:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_Summer_Olympics

The "Friendship Games" of 1984, run by the Soviet Union for their athletes and athletes of Warsaw Pact nations that join into the "Friendship Games". Technically these were held out NOT to be the Olympics by the Soviet Union, so NOT to offend the International Olympic committee, but most people saw then as parallel Olympics.

More on the 1984 "Friendship Games":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friendship_Games

The 1980 US boycott of the Moscow Olympics:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_Summer_Olympics_boycott

Olympic boycotts, 1976 to 1984:



The 1976 Olympics were held in Montreal Canada.

Albania and Iran were the only two nations that boycotted BOTH the 1980 AND 1984 Olympic Games.

[Surya Gayatri]

42. This international "humiliation" will NOT go unanswered by Putin et al.

Bit late to stage their own games, but some military outrage would come as no surprise.

[happyslug]

55. The Russian Army is NOT strong enough to do anything

The Russian Army of today is no were near the Soviet Red Army of 1985, the latter had the capacity to take all of Western Europe, including Great Britain within a week. The Russian Army of today can take Latvia and Estonia within 72 hours but that is about it (and one reason for that speed is both have strong minorities of Russia Speakers in their urban centers).

Putin has pointed out he could take Kiev within a week, and he can but then he would be stuck with ruling the Ukraine, something he wants to part of doing. The Western Ukraine has few Russian Speakers and were a known area of Guerrilla activities while into the 1950s (as were the rural areas of Latvia and Estonia). Again problems Putin does NOT want. The same with the Caucasus Nations, Putin will support his allies in the Caucasus but does NOT want to rule them.

I bring this up for Russia have few military options that do NOT matter worse for Russia. Russia's longest border is with China, with which Putin has a very good relationship with. Mongolia has long been a semi independent state of first the Soviet Union and now Russia. Kazakhstan has the second longest border with Russia, but again another semi independent state of Russia (and unlike Mongolia had been part of the Soviet Union). Again no gain by attacking any of them. Between Russia and Poland you have Belarus which is basically the Pinisk/Pripet Marshes. Those marshes are the biggest swamp in Europe, swamp you want to avoid if you want to attack. Thus attacking Poland is out and Belarus is again a semi independent nation of Russia. Those same Marshes are also in the way of any Russia Attack on Lithuanian other then via Estonia and Latvia (The Russian enclave of Kaliningrad can be a secondary invasion point to Poland and Lithuanian but only secondary, it is to small and to far from the rest of Russia to support any full scale invasion of either country).

The Russia Army can defend Russia from Invasion and that appears to be what it is set up to do but the Russia Army is to weak to take over anything and NOT end up in some sort of Guerrilla Russia wants no part of.

As to the Russian Navy, it is much weaker then the Soviet Navy of 1985, it can fire some missiles and has one Aircraft Carrier but outside of Russia no port to draw supplies from (and its only Mediterranean Port is in Syria but a port with limited supply capacity).

No, Putin's military options are limited, his most powerful weapon is oil but if he uses it (by shutting off oil and natural gas to Europe) he opens up those areas to oil from Saudi Arabia, Russia main competitor when it comes to oil exports. Oil and Natural Gas are Putin's most powerful weapons but the use of such weapons comes with risks, but lower risk then any military move. Thus if Putin wants to do something, he will do it with oil and Natural gas exports not some military move and I doubt he will even do that. I suspect sharp words and holding a competitive Olympics for the Russian Athletes. Such a move has the least risks and would satisfy internal pressure to do something.

[Surya Gayatri]

56. Hope your geopolitical analysis proves to be the right one...

[Sanity Claws]

41. Russian athletes would normally hate news like this

and rightfully so.
However, I wonder if any of them are secretly thankful that they are not going. It looks like the Rio Olympics will be a clusterfuck and many may fear Zika.

[NWCorona]

43. Well this will be the most boring games ever. I like watching

America and Russia battle for the medal count. I'm not surprised tho as there seems to be doping issues going back to the Soviet Union.

[muriel_volestrangler]

45. Russia is still in the games; it's only track and field, for which the ban from months ago

has today been confirmed, that they won't be taking part in.

[NWCorona]

47. Thanks for the clarification as I obviously didn't read the link fully

Good morning!

[groundloop]

50. Well, so far only Russian track and field is banned.... possibly more to come

After the damning report of widespread doping and coverup during the Sochi Winter Olympics there is a strong chance that the IOC will ban the entire Russian team.

[whistler162]

52. Russia's athletes have all the luck!

[uhnope]

53. from hosting Olympics to banned in the Olympics within two short years

Good job, Dear Leader Putin, in leading Russia right off a cliff

[Surya Gayatri]

57. What an ignominious comedown. Will this indictment force them to clean up the way they do sports?

[uhnope]

59. Meanwhile the mainstream Kremlin media is threatening "retaliation" because Putin is "fuming"

‘Expect some retaliation from Vladimir Putin if Russian team banned from Rio Olympics’

The implications of this are unfathomable. But one thing we can expect with some certainty and that is a retaliation. Vladimir Putin is fuming at the moment at this decision. And my guess is there will be some form of retaliatory action quite soon as well. I wouldn’t be surprised - and I know that this is kind of a nuclear option here - but I wouldn’t be surprised if Russia announces that it is in some way detaching itself from the entire Olympic movement.

I'm not linking to that trash though