Ansbach explosion: Bomber pledged allegiance to IS
Source: BBC
A video showing the Syrian man who blew himself up in Ansbach, Germany, on Sunday evening pledging allegiance to the leader of so-called Islamic State has been found on his phone, says Bavaria's interior minister.
Joachim Hermann says two phones, multiple SIM cards and a laptop were found with the body of the 27-year-old asylum seeker or at his accommodation.
The man threatened a "revenge attack" on Germans in the video, he said.
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Bavarian authorities said that the bomb was constructed in such a way that it was clearly meant to kill as many people as possible.
Read more: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36882831
MynameisBlarney
(2,979 posts)This is insane!
Democat
(11,617 posts)It doesn't matter what he says, a few DU experts know that he wasn't part of certain groups.
ericson00
(2,707 posts)is because of that crowd.
MosheFeingold
(3,051 posts)When we were purging Nazis from post-war Germany.
Q: Were you a member of the Nazi party?
A: Yes, here's my film of me praising Hitler.
Q: And you are a radical believer in Aryan supremacy?
A: Yes!
Q: And you killed a lot of people with your own acts!
A: Proudly!
Lawyer : Your honor, I see no evidence this man was a Nazi. He didn't have a signed letter from Hitler, and he was Roman Catholic and not Lutheran. Also, he did not have a private key card to the Eagle's Nest, nor a photo of Eva Braun!
A: Heil Hitler!
Lawyer: See? No evidence!
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)That is not what we need. I do feel bad for the murders from this guy.
ericson00
(2,707 posts)yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)who will do whatever they can for whatever irrational, distorted, psychotic justification they can come up with.
The question remains - what must we, as a civilized society, be willing to do to minimize the crazie's impacts - and make us safer?
Marengo
(3,477 posts)Let's start with adding anyone who makes a statement affirming belief in any cause that places something as more important than human life on a no gun/no fly/watch/surveillance list.
Don't care what religion or even irreligion, what political cause far left far right or anything in between, what racial/ethnic/tribal identity from Masai to Icelandic. If anyone outside of active military combat duty service says, on social media, interviews, letters to the editor, whatever it may be "I am willing to kill people for..." when the bit following the dots is anything at all other than "presenting a real, imminent, credible physical threat to my life or those around me." then they have no business having access to anything whatsoever that can make it easy to actually do that.
Yes yes mewling about thought crime and first amendment blah blah blah. Note there is no imprisonment, no silencing, no arrest. Merely a restriction on what they can do to carry out their aims, and a wary eye looking for very real existing crimes like conspiracy and incitement.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)Marengo
(3,477 posts)whatthehey
(3,660 posts)Surely you are not going the reductio ad absurdum route? Thinking others are unaware that there are many ways to create mayhem? Is the inability to restrict access to all possible means of mass killings a reason not to limit aaccess to those means that a) make it far easier and b) already have limits on access? In return I ask what stated purpose should in your mind restrict access? We can all go the ad absurdum route you know. Should it be aok to say "Sure, no problem" to "please sell me this gun/fertilizer/explosive as I want to kill everyone at the 8:30 movie?" If you say yes you are a dangerous loon. If you say no, we are just working on how serious a statement of intent is necessary to restrict access to the means.
Marengo
(3,477 posts)And more than the Pulse shooter as well. Seems to me maybe a background check for the purchase or lease of vehicles over a certain weight may be in order.
whatthehey
(3,660 posts)But men still murder far more. Exceptions don't really prove rules. Terrorists will find a way no matter how difficult we make it. Why, in a rational world, does that mean we should make it easy?
Marengo
(3,477 posts)Might make it less easy for them to use the vehicle in an attack?
whatthehey
(3,660 posts)That's the kind of silliness that has us removing shoes to fly when there are far easier ways to smuggle explosives. Let's take the low hanging fruit first then worry about the wild and wooly possibilities. Worrying about terrorist drivers instead of terrorist shooters is like putting more health funding into brain-eating amoeba than cancer.
Marengo
(3,477 posts)Happen again, or never in the United States? The Nice attack has proven how effective a weapon a heavy motor vehicle can be given the right circumstances. If you don't acknowledge this, and at least entertain proposals to limit access to potentially dangerous persons, I can only assume you have a motive other than simply public safety.
ronnie624
(5,764 posts)that seek control over strategic resources and their markets, leaving local populations living in poverty. Instead, diverting the energy used to this end, to improving our infrastructure, providing social services, developing alternative sources of energy and the technology that will enable us to mitigate the impending climate disaster.
I think that would be a good start.
Blackjackdavey
(178 posts)to renewable energy sources along with a meaningful program of assistance for other nations to do the same.
ronnie624
(5,764 posts)We have a moral imperative.
MowCowWhoHow III
(2,103 posts)So I posit that he wasn't an individual loony, but rather the least important and most replaceable part of an active German/European IS cell.
MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)Each individual makes a choice to participate in something completely irrational.
"Global jihad" is a death cult.
I wouldn't call it a philosophy, it's a psychological aberration.
Every Nazi at Katyn, every soldier corralling Russian POWs into GULags, every Serb at Srebrenica made an individual choice.
Doesn't mean it's not organized and that you can't identify subgroups.
Kahina_Loren
(19 posts)Your team is losing like 10 000 to 1.
This denial of islamic violence might make Trump president, and will bring extreme right wing governments into power in Europe.
Let's not give it to them.
It's NOT progressive to deny the truth, that is regressive.
ronnie624
(5,764 posts)But you're FAR more likely to die of cancer, heart disease, car wreck, accident in your home or a plane crash resulting from mechanical failure or pilot error, than from terrorism. Our global military response is a drastic overreaction that has done FAR more harm than good. There are much more level-headed, less destructive methods for solving the terrorism problem.
melman
(7,681 posts)It would be funny if it weren't so horribly...not funny.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/germany-is-claims-responsibility-for-attack-in-germany/ar-BBuMfEW?li=BBnb7Kz
Democat
(11,617 posts)Or Christians attacking abortion clinics?
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)You think taking someone's life, without just cause, randomly, is a sane, rational act?
Igel
(35,296 posts)But they do think they have just cause. And while we think it's random, against civilians, if you believe in total war and communalism, then the targets aren't unmotivated. It's just that if you're a lone sniper against an enemy force, the targets you select appear "random" because they're just the targets you have access to, that kind of sniper picks targets of opportunity.
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MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)MowCowWhoHow III
(2,103 posts)https://twitter.com/AFP/status/757586883354525696