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MowCowWhoHow III

(2,103 posts)
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 10:05 AM Jul 2016

Ansbach explosion: Bomber pledged allegiance to IS

Source: BBC

A video showing the Syrian man who blew himself up in Ansbach, Germany, on Sunday evening pledging allegiance to the leader of so-called Islamic State has been found on his phone, says Bavaria's interior minister.

Joachim Hermann says two phones, multiple SIM cards and a laptop were found with the body of the 27-year-old asylum seeker or at his accommodation.

The man threatened a "revenge attack" on Germans in the video, he said.

...

Bavarian authorities said that the bomb was constructed in such a way that it was clearly meant to kill as many people as possible.

Read more: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36882831

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Ansbach explosion: Bomber pledged allegiance to IS (Original Post) MowCowWhoHow III Jul 2016 OP
Jeezus! MynameisBlarney Jul 2016 #1
Let's see who refuses to believe it this time Democat Jul 2016 #2
agreed. The reason Trump has painted Democrats as soft on terror so easily ericson00 Jul 2016 #4
I'm just glad they weren't around MosheFeingold Jul 2016 #12
Believe it not I am thankful they are not reporting this on our news yeoman6987 Jul 2016 #26
this. is. why. Hillary. and. Dems. ericson00 Jul 2016 #3
These are individual loonies... yallerdawg Jul 2016 #5
Do you have any suggestions as to what can make us safer? Marengo Jul 2016 #6
I do whatthehey Jul 2016 #17
Damn! yallerdawg Jul 2016 #27
Would you also restrict access to motor vehicles, knives, flammable liquids, etc? Marengo Jul 2016 #28
Probably not beyond normal explosive tracking. Why? whatthehey Jul 2016 #29
Terrorist driving a tractor trailer in Nice killed far more than the shooters in San Bernardino,... Marengo Jul 2016 #30
And Aileen Wuornos killed more than a bunch of men whatthehey Jul 2016 #31
Would you agree that restrcting access to heavy motor vehicles to persons under surveillance... Marengo Jul 2016 #32
It might also make it less easy for them to move house. Why reactively chase exceptions? whatthehey Jul 2016 #33
The driver in Nice killed 84 and injured 303. Are you suggesting this never can and will... Marengo Jul 2016 #35
A reconsideration of policies ronnie624 Jul 2016 #18
Yup. Euphoria Jul 2016 #34
A serious lasting and meaningful transition Blackjackdavey Jul 2016 #19
+1 ronnie624 Jul 2016 #24
I highly doubt the suicide bomber cooked up the explosives and rigged the bomb MowCowWhoHow III Jul 2016 #8
they are not individual - they are following an organized murderous philosophy of global jihad. MariaThinks Jul 2016 #9
Remember "Jonestown," "Heavens Gate," Koresh followers in Waco to name a few? yallerdawg Jul 2016 #11
Meh. Igel Jul 2016 #20
heisan Kahina_Loren Jul 2016 #23
Possibly. ronnie624 Jul 2016 #22
Right on schedule melman Jul 2016 #13
When do terrorists win? yallerdawg Jul 2016 #14
Do you say the same about police officers shooting black men? Democat Jul 2016 #15
Absolutely! yallerdawg Jul 2016 #16
"without just cause, randomly." Igel Jul 2016 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author Kahina_Loren Jul 2016 #25
another example of a 'loner' who could have been anyone to an isis or radicalized murderer. MariaThinks Jul 2016 #7
IS says Syrian bomber in Germany one of its 'soldiers' MowCowWhoHow III Jul 2016 #10

Democat

(11,617 posts)
2. Let's see who refuses to believe it this time
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 10:25 AM
Jul 2016

It doesn't matter what he says, a few DU experts know that he wasn't part of certain groups.

 

ericson00

(2,707 posts)
4. agreed. The reason Trump has painted Democrats as soft on terror so easily
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 10:37 AM
Jul 2016

is because of that crowd.

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
12. I'm just glad they weren't around
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 11:19 AM
Jul 2016

When we were purging Nazis from post-war Germany.

Q: Were you a member of the Nazi party?

A: Yes, here's my film of me praising Hitler.

Q: And you are a radical believer in Aryan supremacy?

A: Yes!

Q: And you killed a lot of people with your own acts!

A: Proudly!

Lawyer : Your honor, I see no evidence this man was a Nazi. He didn't have a signed letter from Hitler, and he was Roman Catholic and not Lutheran. Also, he did not have a private key card to the Eagle's Nest, nor a photo of Eva Braun!

A: Heil Hitler!

Lawyer: See? No evidence!

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
26. Believe it not I am thankful they are not reporting this on our news
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:56 PM
Jul 2016

That is not what we need. I do feel bad for the murders from this guy.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
5. These are individual loonies...
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 10:43 AM
Jul 2016

who will do whatever they can for whatever irrational, distorted, psychotic justification they can come up with.

The question remains - what must we, as a civilized society, be willing to do to minimize the crazie's impacts - and make us safer?

whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
17. I do
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:26 PM
Jul 2016

Let's start with adding anyone who makes a statement affirming belief in any cause that places something as more important than human life on a no gun/no fly/watch/surveillance list.

Don't care what religion or even irreligion, what political cause far left far right or anything in between, what racial/ethnic/tribal identity from Masai to Icelandic. If anyone outside of active military combat duty service says, on social media, interviews, letters to the editor, whatever it may be "I am willing to kill people for..." when the bit following the dots is anything at all other than "presenting a real, imminent, credible physical threat to my life or those around me." then they have no business having access to anything whatsoever that can make it easy to actually do that.

Yes yes mewling about thought crime and first amendment blah blah blah. Note there is no imprisonment, no silencing, no arrest. Merely a restriction on what they can do to carry out their aims, and a wary eye looking for very real existing crimes like conspiracy and incitement.

whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
29. Probably not beyond normal explosive tracking. Why?
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:43 PM
Jul 2016

Surely you are not going the reductio ad absurdum route? Thinking others are unaware that there are many ways to create mayhem? Is the inability to restrict access to all possible means of mass killings a reason not to limit aaccess to those means that a) make it far easier and b) already have limits on access? In return I ask what stated purpose should in your mind restrict access? We can all go the ad absurdum route you know. Should it be aok to say "Sure, no problem" to "please sell me this gun/fertilizer/explosive as I want to kill everyone at the 8:30 movie?" If you say yes you are a dangerous loon. If you say no, we are just working on how serious a statement of intent is necessary to restrict access to the means.

 

Marengo

(3,477 posts)
30. Terrorist driving a tractor trailer in Nice killed far more than the shooters in San Bernardino,...
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:53 PM
Jul 2016

And more than the Pulse shooter as well. Seems to me maybe a background check for the purchase or lease of vehicles over a certain weight may be in order.

whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
31. And Aileen Wuornos killed more than a bunch of men
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:57 PM
Jul 2016

But men still murder far more. Exceptions don't really prove rules. Terrorists will find a way no matter how difficult we make it. Why, in a rational world, does that mean we should make it easy?

 

Marengo

(3,477 posts)
32. Would you agree that restrcting access to heavy motor vehicles to persons under surveillance...
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 03:05 PM
Jul 2016

Might make it less easy for them to use the vehicle in an attack?

whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
33. It might also make it less easy for them to move house. Why reactively chase exceptions?
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 03:34 PM
Jul 2016

That's the kind of silliness that has us removing shoes to fly when there are far easier ways to smuggle explosives. Let's take the low hanging fruit first then worry about the wild and wooly possibilities. Worrying about terrorist drivers instead of terrorist shooters is like putting more health funding into brain-eating amoeba than cancer.

 

Marengo

(3,477 posts)
35. The driver in Nice killed 84 and injured 303. Are you suggesting this never can and will...
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 03:48 PM
Jul 2016

Happen again, or never in the United States? The Nice attack has proven how effective a weapon a heavy motor vehicle can be given the right circumstances. If you don't acknowledge this, and at least entertain proposals to limit access to potentially dangerous persons, I can only assume you have a motive other than simply public safety.

ronnie624

(5,764 posts)
18. A reconsideration of policies
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:48 PM
Jul 2016

that seek control over strategic resources and their markets, leaving local populations living in poverty. Instead, diverting the energy used to this end, to improving our infrastructure, providing social services, developing alternative sources of energy and the technology that will enable us to mitigate the impending climate disaster.

I think that would be a good start.

Blackjackdavey

(178 posts)
19. A serious lasting and meaningful transition
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:54 PM
Jul 2016

to renewable energy sources along with a meaningful program of assistance for other nations to do the same.

MowCowWhoHow III

(2,103 posts)
8. I highly doubt the suicide bomber cooked up the explosives and rigged the bomb
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 10:49 AM
Jul 2016

So I posit that he wasn't an individual loony, but rather the least important and most replaceable part of an active German/European IS cell.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
11. Remember "Jonestown," "Heavens Gate," Koresh followers in Waco to name a few?
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 11:11 AM
Jul 2016

Each individual makes a choice to participate in something completely irrational.

"Global jihad" is a death cult.

I wouldn't call it a philosophy, it's a psychological aberration.

Igel

(35,296 posts)
20. Meh.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:14 PM
Jul 2016

Every Nazi at Katyn, every soldier corralling Russian POWs into GULags, every Serb at Srebrenica made an individual choice.

Doesn't mean it's not organized and that you can't identify subgroups.

 

Kahina_Loren

(19 posts)
23. heisan
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:39 PM
Jul 2016

Your team is losing like 10 000 to 1.

This denial of islamic violence might make Trump president, and will bring extreme right wing governments into power in Europe.

Let's not give it to them.

It's NOT progressive to deny the truth, that is regressive.

ronnie624

(5,764 posts)
22. Possibly.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:29 PM
Jul 2016

But you're FAR more likely to die of cancer, heart disease, car wreck, accident in your home or a plane crash resulting from mechanical failure or pilot error, than from terrorism. Our global military response is a drastic overreaction that has done FAR more harm than good. There are much more level-headed, less destructive methods for solving the terrorism problem.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
14. When do terrorists win?
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 11:54 AM
Jul 2016
A Syrian man whose asylum bid had been rejected in Germany recorded a cellphone video of himself pledging allegiance to the Islamic State group before he tried to get into an outdoor concert with a bomb-laden backpack. He was turned away and blew himself up outside a wine bar instead, injuring 15 people, authorities said Monday.

Bavarian authorities said a video found on the Ansbach bomber's phone showed him pledging allegiance to the Islamic State. Germany's top security official, Interior Minister Thomas de Maiziere, had said it was too early to rule out terrorism as a motive, but noted that the suspect had twice attempted suicide and had been receiving psychological care.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/germany-is-claims-responsibility-for-attack-in-germany/ar-BBuMfEW?li=BBnb7Kz

Democat

(11,617 posts)
15. Do you say the same about police officers shooting black men?
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 11:58 AM
Jul 2016

Or Christians attacking abortion clinics?

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
16. Absolutely!
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:03 PM
Jul 2016

You think taking someone's life, without just cause, randomly, is a sane, rational act?

Igel

(35,296 posts)
21. "without just cause, randomly."
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:17 PM
Jul 2016

But they do think they have just cause. And while we think it's random, against civilians, if you believe in total war and communalism, then the targets aren't unmotivated. It's just that if you're a lone sniper against an enemy force, the targets you select appear "random" because they're just the targets you have access to, that kind of sniper picks targets of opportunity.

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