Sanders delegates exploring challenge of Kaine selection

[Cali_Democrat]

Source: Politico

PHILADELPHIA — Supporters of Sen. Bernie Sanders are moving toward a challenge of Sen. Tim Kaine’s selection as presumptive vice presidential nominee, accusing Hillary Clinton of failing to roll back “some of the worst neo-liberal policies” with her choice of running mate.

“There’s serious interest right now and exploration as we speak of a formal challenge,” Norman Solomon, a California delegate and national coordinator for the Bernie Delegates Network, said at a news conference Monday. The network represents about 1,250 of the 1,900 delegates that have pledged support for Sanders.

Kaine’s selection riled Sanders supporters, who accuse the Virginia Democrat of being too closely tied to Wall Street and fault him for his past strong support for trade deals.

This past weekend, a Kaine spokeswoman confirmed the senator’s opposition to the Trans-Pacific Partnership in its current form, reflecting the same position as Clinton on the pending deal.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/tim-kaine-vp-challenge-convention-226125

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Shouldn't the candidate be able to choose their own VP?

[liberal N proud]

1. They obviously have no clue about this process

[Helen Borg]

56. They know exactly how the process works.

That is why they are doing it.

[RandySF]

2. That's not a biggie for me

It's well within the rules to call a vote.

[Blue State Bandit]

52. That... would be a move in the correct direction.

I can tell you flat out, it's the ONLY WAY to pull this back. There is too much animosity and mistrust, and there is more outrage to come. A peace offering would go a long way, and give a big chunk of Berners some skin in the game. HRC may not get all Bernie's supporters, but you may keep them from actively organizing against her. Give them something and maybe they will just stay home. Cast them out and ridicule them for their righteous indignation, and they will rush into the Green Party like a tsunami and Hillary will lose.

I was in Philly and watched Jill convert Berners everywhere she goes. She'll be on that debate stage, and will suck the Dem vote to the bone if nothing is done... here and now.

I'm not here promoting another candidate v/ Clinton, I'm just offering some advice across the battle line.

Just remember, and I'm not saying this to you in particular, a respected Berner may come out for HRC in November (+1), disaffected Berner may stay home (-1), but an insulted Berner has a multiplying effect (x?), and maybe we can get through this.

[LoverOfLiberty]

60. What exactly are you saying?

That Sanders supporters should chose the VP?

[David__77]

3. In response to your question.

I think the convention delegates choose the VP. I would be surprised if this is someone other than the person indicated by the presidential nominee. In the olden days, I think that these things were more fluid.

[bravenak]

26. The old days they also chose the nominee in smoke filled back rooms

[SunSeeker]

4. That would kill the ticket. Trump is loving this.

[angstlessk]

9. trump ain't lovin it...he hates democracy

after all they shut down the mics of his dissenters

[SunSeeker]

35. He wouldn't shut down the mics of these dissenters.

They're doing EXACTLY what he loves.

[baldguy]

37. Sorry, this ain't democracy.

This is a very few vocal anti-Democrat whiners from the "Not Hillary" Party trying to take over the process & make it easier for Donald Trump to win. They should be disavowed by Bernie Sanders, stripped of their credentials & booted from the convention. They can go fuck themselves.

[geek tragedy]

5. the names of any participating in such a stunt will be remembered nt

[MBS]

22. " " " n/t

[stopbush]

6. Er, because it's less embarraasing to have your motion overwhelmingly voted down

on national primetime TV than it is to have it voted down in a back room?

OK. Whatever floats your boat.

[C_U_L8R]

7. Hate to say but no trophy for you guys

Just because you played doesn't mean you win a prize.
We love you and we love Bernie too. Please let's work
together on what matters.

[George II]

8. I think one of them will put Vladimir Putin's name into nomination.

[markj757]

10. I blame Hillary for being tone def in her VP Selection.....

If they mount a challenge, they are just as frustrated as I am, and I'm not even a Bernie supporter.

[63splitwindow]

17. Are you a Hillary supporter? If not, who do you support? nt

[markj757]

20. I'm voting for Hillary, but honestly, I'm an anti-trump supporter more than anything else....

she makes choices that just makes it difficult for me to support her, unless I'm backed into a corner and don't have a choice.

[63splitwindow]

21. What are your issues with Kaine? nt

[markj757]

25. I actually like Kaine, I'm a Virginian, but I don't like him as a VP selection for Hillary....

But I do think he would have been an excellent VP selection for Warren if she had run and won the nomination.

[63splitwindow]

29. ? Why not for Hillary? This is one of her poor choices you mentioned? nt

[markj757]

34. It's not a poor choice, its insensitive and tone def to the liberal base and Bernie supporters

and it makes it that much harder for them to unite and move forward. I was a reluctant Hillary supporter, and it was hard for me to accept she didn't pick Warren to give some balance to the ticket, and show the millions of Bernie supporters I heard your voices. I think before you reach out to white men, you need to make sure you can excite your base first, because that's where you are going to lose when they don't show up to vote. And if she gets a more moderate Republican in 4 yrs like Kasich, she is going to be a one term President. Trump is a gift to the Democratic Party and she still may have a hard time beating him because of her VP choice.

[comradebillyboy]

36. If Bernie were the nominee he wouldn't give a fuck what

Clinton or her supporters wanted. The winner gets to pick her running mate and not be saddled with the choice of disgruntled losers.

[markj757]

41. You maybe right....Bernie can definitely even more tone def than Hillary...

so I won't disagree with that point.

[63splitwindow]

39. We must agree to disagree.

To win general national elections, I believe it is wise to pivot to the middle. You disagree and call her decision " tone deaf ". I believe her hearing, instincts and advise are spot on. Don the Con and his followers would have loved for her to choose someone more to the left IMHO.

[markj757]

40. Listen, I'm sure it will work against Trump....he is a weak candidate, but she would lose to Kasich

without the excitement from the base and 46% of primary voters who voted for Bernie.

[rockfordfile]

45. Kasich is as far right as Trump

[markj757]

47. not quite...which is why he didn't endorse Trump, but he projects himself as more moderate....

and if the Republicans come to their senses in 4 yrs, and nominates someone like Kasich, Romeny, or Jeb Bush, Hillary will be in trouble if she wins this election.

[NanceGreggs]

51. "Tone deaf to Bernie supporters".

I take it you are aware that Bernie is NOT the Dem nominee, and he and his supporters are owed nothing.

I also take it you're aware that "the base" is comprised of those who reliably vote Democratic in every election, and do not withhold their votes contingent on having their demands met.

It's hard for you to accept that she didn't pick Warren? Why should she? Bernie supporters threw Warren under the bus months ago when she didn't endorse Bernie before the Massachusetts primary. They used that bus to run over her yet again when she campaigned with HRC - and the myth that choosing Warren as a VP would assuage the BS supporters went under that same bus with her.

The "base" IS excited. The "base" voted for HRC in the primaries, and made her the nominee. The "base" will show up in November to elect HRC as the next POTUS.

The "base" does not say, "I will only vote for the Dem, if the Dem does what I want."

[markj757]

54. If you think the liberal base of this party is excited about Hillary, then we have little to discuss

but I agree, Bernie is not the nominee and Hillary has a right to pick whoever she chooses.

[NanceGreggs]

55. If YOU think ...

... that the "liberal base" of the Party is something different than "the base" of the Party, you obviously haven't been paying attention.

The "base" is Democrats who support the Party. That includes liberals, far-leftists, middle-of-the-roaders, conservative Dems, progressive Dems - Dems of all stripes.

Like it or not, THAT is "the base". Always has been, always will be.

If you want to keep pretending that "certain Dems" waffle in their Party allegiance depending on what labels are applied to them, feel free to do so. But the fact remains that "the base" is consistently loyal to the Party - which is why they're called "the base".

[Laser102]

43. I like Kaine. Good pick. It's her choice. No one else's.

[markj757]

44. I never said it wasn't her choice.....I just think she could have made a better choice...

I'm sure Obama was a big Kaine supporter as well.

[rockfordfile]

46. It's Democratic party

[markj757]

48. lol, thanks for clearing that up for me

[LanternWaste]

57. It seemed necessary. nt

It seemed necessary.

[Democat]

59. As frustrated as you are?

About Trump not getting a convention bounce perhaps?

[sofa king]

61. Tone Def has an important message for all of us

[still_one]

11. I am sick and tired of Politico. It isn't going to happen

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

12. You need a candidate willing to accept!

Good luck finding one!

[Native]

62. Excellent point!

[REALforever]

13. JEEZUS, More NO "there, there"!..We're wasting bandwidth!

Can we ever get to THE ISSUES?

[Kablooie]

14. Seems to me that this is not the time to try and complicate the Dem election.

You may disagree strongly with a lot of decisions and choices but if you cause confusion and chaos you may be giving the election to Trump.

If Clinton wins you can continue to fight for what you believe in while she's president and in another 4 years try elect someone more sympathetic to your views.

If Trump wins, the 2020 election could have so many new issues that need urgent addressing that your current priorities will seem small potatoes and be lost in the melee.
Who knows, if Trump has his way the Constitution and the whole structure of our democratic process could be collapsing and you'd never get a chance to change things again.

It would be prudent to bite your tongue right now until we get past this deadly Trump hump.

[LisaM]

15. Ay yi yi....

Didn't they listen to his speech the other day?

[olddad56]

16. why don't the Dems just concede now to Trump and get it over with.

[Cryptoad]

18. Now they are booing while

latino children are speaking ,,,,,, geeez. Real Classy!

[Beacool]

19. They can go to hell.

Sanders LOST. They don't get to decide Hillary's VP.

The nerve of these people!!!!

[63splitwindow]

23. Bernie will end up disowning those who continue with disruption of good people...

on their proudest day. Ridiculous.

[Beacool]

31. I'm beyond angry.

These fools are trying to indirectly guarantee that Trump is elected. Are they so damn stupid not to be afraid of this fascist, dictator wannabe????????

I have disliked plenty of Republicans, but I am actually afraid of what Trump would do to the nation if he were to become president.

I blame Sanders for the whole mess. In 2008, despite Obama winning by a very small margin, Hillary did the classy thing by releasing her delegates so that Obama could be nominated by acclamation. Sanders promised a fight all the way to the convention and wouldn't even endorse Hillary until recently. This only encouraged his delegates to act up.

[DinahMoeHum]

24. Forget it, Cali, those meatheads ain't making anything happen,

n/t

[Renew Deal]

27. What doesn't rile them?

It will be another futile effort

[RandySF]

28. They have a right to place someone's name into nomination and hold a vote.

There's nothing wrong with that.

[awake]

30. Politico is a right wing corrupt corporate rag

Do belive in their Bull Sh*t

[bigdarryl]

53. Every article they have posted about this convention is all negative

[MichiganVote]

32. If so, this is yet another way to diss the nominee and the party.

They might as well be booing. Not going to fall for 'legitimate' arguments. This is all bullshit.

[epreic01]

33. Now Children

When I was young I was playing a board game with a friend. I won. He flipped the board over and said I cheated. I didn't.
He is on Facebook insisting Bernie or Bust. Some things never change.

[niyad]

49. welcome to du

[Trust Buster]

38. Kaine will be replaced by a Democratic Governor.

Warren, Booker and Sheerod Brown would be replaced by Republican Governors. What good is the presidency if the Senate and the House are both controlled by Republicans ?

[SCVDem]

42. Follow your leader!

Sen. Sanders took the high road. He knows that not winning California was the writing on the wall. The DNC really had no effect. I believe most everyone is familiar with Bernie, especially here.

Maybe it was the issues which decided it. What a concept.



These protesters are really pissing me off. They are making headlines for the wrong reasons.

[BigDemVoter]

50. They need to cut the SHIT.

ENOUGH. First of all, the choice of VP amounts to a bunch of hooey as far as what the role involves. It's the US version of royalty cutting ribbons, basically. And YES, the candidate chooses his/her VP.

But let's not give the fucking republicans what they want by making a cluster fuck out of this entire thing. Yes, I voted for Bernie. And yes, I am fucking pissed off, but let's give this a break, please. All we need to do is to start a goddamned fight right now, at the worst goddamned time.

I already had to sit through Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush I, Bush II, and I do NOT want to unnecessarily have to watch this country go off the rails with this NUT job.

Hillary will do. In fact, she will more than do. Ms. Wasserman-Schultz can go take a hike. She's gone. The selection of VP has been made. WHY make a scene now?

Once everything is said & done, we can bitch then. "Yeah", you think, "What good will it do?" Well, what fucking good is it going to do now other than cost us votes against these crazy fuckers? And yes, they are C-R-A-Z-Y. They are ALL crazy. Something is really, seriously wrong with them. And we do NOT want them in charge.

[Politicub]

58. When they go low, we go high

A big thank you to FLOTUS for showing us the way forward, and in such a clear, concise way.

In her speech, she turned the tide and made the Sanders or Bust crowd exactly what they didn't want to be - irrelevant.

This isn't to diminish Sanders' pull on the party. He made a mark that will play out over time. The protestors, to paraphrase Shakespeare, are only full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.