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MowCowWhoHow III

(2,103 posts)
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 05:00 AM Jul 2016

France church attack: Priest killed by two 'IS soldiers'

Last edited Tue Jul 26, 2016, 10:19 AM - Edit history (4)

Source: BBC

A priest has been killed in an attack by two armed men on his church in a suburb of Rouen in northern France.

The attackers entered the church in Saint-Etienne-du-Rouvray during Mass, taking the priest, Fr Jacques Hamel, 84, and four other people hostage.

Police later surrounded the church and French TV said shots were fired. Both hostage-takers are now dead.

The Amaq news agency, linked to so-called Islamic State, said "two IS soldiers" had carried out the attack. President Francois Hollande said the men had claimed to be from IS.

Read more: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36892785



Jacques Hamel, 84 years old.

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France church attack: Priest killed by two 'IS soldiers' (Original Post) MowCowWhoHow III Jul 2016 OP
Seems French police aren't fucking about anymore MowCowWhoHow III Jul 2016 #1
Hostage-takers at French church near Rouen 'are dead' muriel_volestrangler Jul 2016 #2
One hostage killed at church in northern France: police source MowCowWhoHow III Jul 2016 #3
Second hostage fighting for life after north France church attack: ministry MowCowWhoHow III Jul 2016 #4
And everybody was saying England is racist for wanting to control its borders Travis_0004 Jul 2016 #9
Yes, how DARE they!! 7962 Jul 2016 #13
Actually, the UK does control its borders - we're not part of Schengen TubbersUK Jul 2016 #18
Thanks... Deuce Jul 2016 #24
You have to go thru passport control and tell them why you are going to be there all american girl Jul 2016 #28
I wonder if they would accept beheading as a legitimate business purpose... TipTok Jul 2016 #46
The attackers were born and raised in France Nevernose Jul 2016 #52
The officing priest has been throathelled mylye2222 Jul 2016 #5
The correct term is "jugulate" EL34x4 Jul 2016 #44
Thank you. mylye2222 Jul 2016 #45
French PM Valls expresses 'horror at barbaric attack on church' MowCowWhoHow III Jul 2016 #6
Martyred for Christ. Elmergantry Jul 2016 #7
Pope 'pain and horror' at France church hostage-taking MowCowWhoHow III Jul 2016 #8
Suspects? Democat Jul 2016 #10
France church attack: what we know MowCowWhoHow III Jul 2016 #11
Thank you Democat Jul 2016 #12
They beheaded the priest ansible Jul 2016 #14
Terrible Democat Jul 2016 #16
This is a whole other level of evil I think. To essentially "sacrifice" a priest at the jonno99 Jul 2016 #51
Church attackers 'claimed to be from' Islamic State group: Hollande MowCowWhoHow III Jul 2016 #15
I've been inside this church.... oh, how sad this makes me.. and how angry! secondwind Jul 2016 #17
Me, too. ChairmanAgnostic Jul 2016 #21
Yes, me too TubbersUK Jul 2016 #23
There are no words! May he rest in peace and rise in glory! hrmjustin Jul 2016 #19
ISIS claims Normandy Church attack through their news agency Amaq MowCowWhoHow III Jul 2016 #20
Terrible. Scorpionflyx Jul 2016 #22
Because they were an easy kill MosheFeingold Jul 2016 #31
Not exactly Nevernose Jul 2016 #53
Memory eternal shenmue Jul 2016 #25
They really are trying to start a religious war, aren't they? Coventina Jul 2016 #26
Start? avaistheone1 Jul 2016 #27
hopefully France will not choose a response that provokes further attacks 6chars Jul 2016 #29
Yeah, because that's working so well. nt B2G Jul 2016 #30
We don't want to make them angry. Throd Jul 2016 #32
there is no response that would not provoke further attacks maxsolomon Jul 2016 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author 6chars Jul 2016 #34
of course not maxsolomon Jul 2016 #48
What has France done to provoke the attacks thus far? Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2016 #35
quite a lot 6chars Jul 2016 #36
Cracking down on groups that promote terror attacks is a provocation? Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2016 #37
maybe it depends on the terrorist group 6chars Jul 2016 #38
Or maybe it doesn't Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2016 #39
maybe not. 6chars Jul 2016 #40
Then there is no reason to not confront the killers, their peers and those who support them. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2016 #41
France has made it quite clear MicaelS Jul 2016 #42
ISIS is attacking Syria. JI7 Jul 2016 #43
Wouldn't want to anger the violent religious extermists... TipTok Jul 2016 #47
Video shows France church attackers pledge allegiance to IS MowCowWhoHow III Jul 2016 #49
The video melman Jul 2016 #50

muriel_volestrangler

(101,310 posts)
2. Hostage-takers at French church near Rouen 'are dead'
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 05:17 AM
Jul 2016
Two armed men who took hostages at a church near Rouen in northern France are now dead, police sources have said.
...
France 3 television said a number of shots had been heard. Police and the emergency services are at the scene.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36892785

MowCowWhoHow III

(2,103 posts)
3. One hostage killed at church in northern France: police source
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 05:32 AM
Jul 2016
#BREAKING One hostage killed at church in northern France: police source
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/757866805562081280

According to French media Le Figaro, the two attackers slit the throat of a priest in the Church
https://twitter.com/Conflicts/status/757868404925542400

MowCowWhoHow III

(2,103 posts)
4. Second hostage fighting for life after north France church attack: ministry
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 05:58 AM
Jul 2016
#BREAKING Second hostage fighting for life after north France church attack: ministry
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/757876197426618368


Also apparently the priest didn't merely have his throat slit, but was beheaded.

Guess who?

TubbersUK

(1,439 posts)
18. Actually, the UK does control its borders - we're not part of Schengen
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 08:08 AM
Jul 2016
EU facts behind the claims: borders

Unlike most other EU member states—and some countries outside the EU—the UK is not part of the Schengen passport-free area because it hasn’t signed the Schengen agreement. This means it can retain border controls.


The British government retains full control over its own border controls. Travellers who hold EU passports can’t cross the UK border without having their passport or identity checked, and the same applies for travellers from non-EU countries.

The UK can, and does, perform passport and identity checks at its borders and refuses entry to travellers who do not travel with valid identity documents even if they are from another EU member state.

The benefit of holding an EU passport, or being the citizen of a European Economic Area (EEA) country (Norway, Iceland, Liechtenstein) or Switzerland, is that you travel through a separate channel at UK border controls. This normally results in a swifter identity check.


Concerns have been raised that terrorists may take advantage of refugee routes to Europe. As the UK retains its own border controls and national control over asylum-seeking processes it has the capacity to address any such development itself.


https://fullfact.org/europe/border-security-eu/

all american girl

(1,788 posts)
28. You have to go thru passport control and tell them why you are going to be there
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 10:20 AM
Jul 2016

I was just there last week and I live in Belgium, so they already control their borders.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
52. The attackers were born and raised in France
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 02:50 PM
Jul 2016

How would strict border control have stopped this?

(To be fair, we have no info about the second attacker yet. But based on what we currently know, borders have nothing to do with it)

 

EL34x4

(2,003 posts)
44. The correct term is "jugulate"
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 06:35 PM
Jul 2016
verb (archaic)
kill (someone) by cutting the throat.

Learned this from a Phoenix song, Lisztomania. Likely the only recorded song ever with the word "jugulate" in the lyrics.

Democat

(11,617 posts)
12. Thank you
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 07:19 AM
Jul 2016

Not much there yet, but they are looking at the possibility of terrorism.

It would be a strange target for a terror attack unless this priest is high ranking in France?

jonno99

(2,620 posts)
51. This is a whole other level of evil I think. To essentially "sacrifice" a priest at the
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 02:45 PM
Jul 2016

alter of his own church.

I don't understand how one loses their humanity to get to this point - not acting out in anger or a fit of rage, but to commit such an abomination with predetermination - coldly and deliberately. This kind of behavior has an odor from the pit of hell...

MowCowWhoHow III

(2,103 posts)
15. Church attackers 'claimed to be from' Islamic State group: Hollande
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 07:46 AM
Jul 2016
#BREAKING Church attackers 'claimed to be from' Islamic State group: Hollande
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/757902850185977857

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
31. Because they were an easy kill
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 10:47 AM
Jul 2016

I don't think people understand the radical Islamic mindset.

All cultures are NOT equal.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
53. Not exactly
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 02:57 PM
Jul 2016

ISIS very specifically wants to start a holy war between Christianity and Islam, killing all non-Muslims in a literal apocalypse, in order to fulfill Koranic prophesies of the coming of their Messiah.

They could have killed any 84 year old. They chose a priest, during mass, because they want Armageddon and they have a 1500 year old book with instructions on how to get it.

maxsolomon

(33,316 posts)
33. there is no response that would not provoke further attacks
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 02:27 PM
Jul 2016

as they are losing territory in the Caliphate, ISIL is trying to provoke France.

they want to provoke Europe into oppressing its immigrant population. well, more directly oppressing - RW vigilantism, expulsions, etc.

Response to maxsolomon (Reply #33)

maxsolomon

(33,316 posts)
48. of course not
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 11:49 AM
Jul 2016

I'm saying these attacks are provocations TO escalate.

however, France, the state, cannot control all its people, and they have a Nationalist party. they're the ones to worry about.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
37. Cracking down on groups that promote terror attacks is a provocation?
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 03:36 PM
Jul 2016

This is as deranged as claiming a woman who resists rape is guilty of assaulting men.

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
42. France has made it quite clear
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 05:01 PM
Jul 2016

That is a Secular state and will remain so.They should not give up their national identity to placate a bunch of religious fanatics. Islamists are going to keep stirring the pot in Europe and the resulting backlash will probably result in mass deportations back to their home countries.

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