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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 07:18 PM Jul 2016

U.S Strongly Condemns 'Accelerated, Systematic' Settlement Activity by Israel

Source: Haaretz

State Department says recent construction announcements by Israel 'continued a pattern of provocative and counterproductive actions.'

Barak Ravid Jul 28, 2016 6:04 PM

The U.S. State Department published Thursday an exceptionally strong condemnation of a string of decisions by the Israeli government in recent weeks to expand construction in the West Bank settlements and East Jerusalem.
State Department spokesman John Kirby claimed that the U.S. has identified an "acceleration" of construction in the settlements and accused Israel of "a pattern of provocative and counterproductive action ... that systematically undermines the prospects for a two-state solution."

The statement come in the wake of a number of recent Israeli announcements of plans to advance construction projects in the West Bank. On Wednesday, a tender for 320 new housing units in a Jewish neighborhood in East Jerusalem was published; on Monday, a plan to build 770 housing units in the Gilo neighborhood, also past the Green Line, was announced, as well as plans to build more than 500 new units in Ma'ale Adumim and 42 in Kiryat Arba.

The string of announcements has sparked American anger, especially due to the fact the first were made only two days after the Quartet report on the stalemate in the peace process. The report severally criticized Israeli settlement construction, however the Americans exerted pressure on the Quartet to balance the report and make sure it also condemns the Palestinians for incitement and violence against Israelis. The U.S. joins a number of other nations and organizations who denounced Israel's construction, like the EU, the UN, the U.K., Germany, France, Turkey and Japan.

Read more: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.733981



Secret Memo Shows Israel Used Security Claims To Grab Settlement Lands

By i24news
Published: 07/28/2016 - 07:20pm, updated: 08:10pm

A secret document written in 1970 and revealed on Thursday in Israeli daily Haaretz sheds light on the origins of the country's settlement enterprise.

The memo summarizing a meeting held in then-defense minister Moshe Dayan outlines a strategy of annexing land intended for settlement construction into military zones, supposedly for security reasons.

✕According to Haaretz, sources say the method of using military orders to seize land for construction was an open secret in 1970s Israel. The alleged goal was to avoid the appearance of circumventing international law, as construction of civilian structures would have raised the question of whether Israel was building on occupied territory.

Those involved knew that claims of security necessity were false, said the newspaper. A number of settlements were developed this way, until a High Court of Justice ruling in 1979 brought an end to the practice.

MORE...

http://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel/politics/121251-160728-secret-memo-shows-israel-used-security-claims-to-grab-settlement-lands

http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.733746 (paywall)
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U.S Strongly Condemns 'Accelerated, Systematic' Settlement Activity by Israel (Original Post) Purveyor Jul 2016 OP
All talk. There is never any action and the Israelis know that. guillaumeb Jul 2016 #1
I do not like Netanyahoo. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2016 #2
Stop funding the apartheid state then. R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2016 #3
What are the odds Gilo ends up in a Palestinian state? 6chars Jul 2016 #4
there will be no Palestinian state. geek tragedy Jul 2016 #5
One unitary state? David__77 Jul 2016 #6
a binational state is inevitable, though it will be a long time in the making nt geek tragedy Jul 2016 #7
Whatever happens, I hope it will be in peace and friendship. David__77 Jul 2016 #9
that's not very likely IMO Mosby Jul 2016 #13
yeah good luck with that nt geek tragedy Jul 2016 #14
Luck has nothing to do with it Mosby Jul 2016 #15
the WB is Israel's problem, Jordan's not going to take it off their hands. geek tragedy Jul 2016 #16
The Hashemites control is not based on demographics Mosby Jul 2016 #17
the Palestinians do not see themselves as Jordanians and the Hashemites geek tragedy Jul 2016 #19
They won't have a choice King_David Jul 2016 #18
Jordan most certainly has the ability to refuse to annex or occupy the West Bank. geek tragedy Jul 2016 #20
Jordan will cooperate King_David Jul 2016 #21
I know the Israelis would love for that to happen. geek tragedy Jul 2016 #22
Jordan will cooperate King_David Jul 2016 #23
lol, so the plan is for the US to obey Israel, and for the Jordanians to obey the US geek tragedy Jul 2016 #24
As I said , not everyone will be happy King_David Jul 2016 #25
that's your hope, but that doesn't mean it has to happen that way. geek tragedy Jul 2016 #26
It's not anyone's "hope" King_David Jul 2016 #27
Would that include East Jerusalem? geek tragedy Jul 2016 #29
Good luck with your particular hopes... King_David Jul 2016 #30
I have no hope for that part of the world. geek tragedy Jul 2016 #31
The current Palestinian situation isn't sustainable Mosby Jul 2016 #28
Just stop paying them to do this shit!!!!!!!!!!!!! Scalded Nun Jul 2016 #8
Never going to happen, and Israel knows it. Crunchy Frog Jul 2016 #11
AKA now now Israel, be nice... JesterCS Jul 2016 #10
What will it take lsewpershad Jul 2016 #12

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
1. All talk. There is never any action and the Israelis know that.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 07:21 PM
Jul 2016

They have been lying about the settlements. But unless or until the US cuts off the massive subsidies the Israelis will continue stealing land.

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
3. Stop funding the apartheid state then.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 07:28 PM
Jul 2016

There is no special relationship between the USA and Israel worth a damn.

The relationship is built on the collective backs of the Palestinian people and the theft of its future.

Oh, let's not forget the guilt as well.

6chars

(3,967 posts)
4. What are the odds Gilo ends up in a Palestinian state?
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 08:48 PM
Jul 2016

I am guessing after enough BDS, Israel will force all of the Jews living in Jerusalem on the East side of the green line to vacate their homes and will then donate the homes they built to friendly Arab families. The Jews will then go back to Algiers and Cairo and Baghdad and Aden etc.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
5. there will be no Palestinian state.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 09:02 PM
Jul 2016

that's the purpose, and inevitable result, of such construction results.

Jews aren't going anywhere. Neither are the Palestinians. Cohabitation in a single state will be difficult but permanent.

David__77

(23,369 posts)
6. One unitary state?
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 10:22 PM
Jul 2016

I have difficulty envisioning the creation of a Palestinian state. I also have difficulty envisioning a single, unitary state in which the population of Jews and Arabs live together, with a somewhat cohesive citizenry.

David__77

(23,369 posts)
9. Whatever happens, I hope it will be in peace and friendship.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 10:29 PM
Jul 2016

What a testament to the power of humanity that would be!

Mosby

(16,299 posts)
13. that's not very likely IMO
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 02:23 PM
Jul 2016

What's a lot more likely is Jordan annexing part of the WB in exchange for subsidies. The rest will be annexed by Israel.

Think I'm crazy, just wait until abbas dies and a full scale civil war breaks out. You know Dahlan is sitting in the UAE just waiting for a chance to take over.

Mosby

(16,299 posts)
15. Luck has nothing to do with it
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 06:38 PM
Jul 2016

The world has moved on.

Terrorism.

Climate Change.

Civil wars.

Globalism.

Poverty.

Pandemics.

The Palestinians missed their opportunity years ago.




 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
16. the WB is Israel's problem, Jordan's not going to take it off their hands.
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 06:42 PM
Jul 2016

They'd be crazy to do so. That would mean the end of the Hashemite dynasty.


So, Israel either unilaterally disgorges it, cuts a deal with the Palestinians, or does a slow walk towards a binational state.

Mosby

(16,299 posts)
17. The Hashemites control is not based on demographics
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 07:42 PM
Jul 2016

Like it or not Israel has and will continue to have the upper hand in the Israeli/Arab conflict, I think they will be able to maintain the "occupation" of the WB into the foreseeable future. That puts the onus on the Palestinians to move the process forward and they have given no indication that they are willing to do that, in fact Abbas has been throwing up as many roadblocks as he can, including this "all or nothing" negotiating approach that he currently espouses. When his reign ends there is no telling what might happen, but we do know that there are several competing Fatah factions as I mentioned in an earlier post, including Dahlan, who is basically a rich thug financed by gulf oil.

Jordan is already 50-55% Palestinian and the rest Bedouin, plus some small indigenous groups. It was part of the Mandate and supposed to be part of the Palestinian homeland until the British decided to give it to the Hashemites as a consolation prize when they lost their war against the House of Saud. More significantly in my opinion, Jordan is an extremely poor country, they have a GDP of about 34 billion which is the lowest in the ME, even Lebanon is at 44 billion with 4.4 million people compared to Jordan's 6.5. Jordan also has the highest refugee population in the ME outside of Iraq and in practical terms that means there are already billions of dollars flowing into Jordan for refugee support, this has probably created thousands of jobs in Jordan and if this was extended to the major population centers in the WB could create tens of thousands of jobs in the long term not to mention that the Palestinians would finally be part of a country that they could contribute to and see success.


 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
19. the Palestinians do not see themselves as Jordanians and the Hashemites
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 07:47 PM
Jul 2016

would be overthrown within a decade if they tried to annex the WB. Same motive for not annexing as the Israelis have.

Israel can obviously maintain the the apartheid state it's erected in the West Bank for hundreds of years.

But, at some point, that will mean the one-state solution.

Jordan is not going to bail the Israelis out.



King_David

(14,851 posts)
18. They won't have a choice
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 07:46 PM
Jul 2016

But it's more probable than a single state.
Gaza reabsorbed to Egypt.
West Bank reabsorbed to Jordan.
You may not like it but that's what will happen.
Jerusalem will be Jewish Israel.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
20. Jordan most certainly has the ability to refuse to annex or occupy the West Bank.
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 07:48 PM
Jul 2016

the Israelis can't just hand the Palestinians off like they're a used lawnmower.

King_David

(14,851 posts)
21. Jordan will cooperate
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 07:51 PM
Jul 2016

And merging with Arab Muslim state is way more likely than a Jewish- Muslim merger .

And Jordan once annexed the West Bank - not too long ago.

As I said not everyone will be happy but that is what's going to happen.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
22. I know the Israelis would love for that to happen.
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 07:53 PM
Jul 2016

But that's not enough to cause it to happen.

the Jordanian government isn't in the tank for Israel the way Congress is

King_David

(14,851 posts)
25. As I said , not everyone will be happy
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 07:59 PM
Jul 2016

But it will happen.
A Jewish Independent state will persist.
That's called reality.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
26. that's your hope, but that doesn't mean it has to happen that way.
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 08:00 PM
Jul 2016

nation states rise and fall all the time

the future does not obey any religion or nationalist ideology

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
29. Would that include East Jerusalem?
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 08:51 PM
Jul 2016

Or are you actually suggesting the Jordanians would bail the Israeis out without getting sovereignty over Al Aqsa and the Arab neighborhoods?

Maybe they can call the new state Fantasyland with a unicorn as its national symbol.

Mosby

(16,299 posts)
28. The current Palestinian situation isn't sustainable
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 08:16 PM
Jul 2016

Last edited Sat Jul 30, 2016, 12:59 AM - Edit history (1)

450,000 original "refugees" in 1948 are now 5.5 MILLION.

Total Palestinian population is now 11.5 million, compare that to the Israeli population of 8 million.

The UNRWA claims there are 430,000 Palestinians living in the refugee camp of Yarmouk in Lebanon, but in reality maybe 250,000 live there, The rest? They live in Europe and the ME and when a Palestinian living outside "Palestine" has children - every one becomes a Palestinian refugee.

It's an exponential function, in just a couple years the Palestinian population will pass 20 million.

The whole situation is ridiculous and should have been dealt with decades ago like every other post WWII issue.

Crunchy Frog

(26,579 posts)
11. Never going to happen, and Israel knows it.
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 12:37 AM
Jul 2016

Ironic in that it's these "Israel friendly" policies that will make a single state an inevitability.

JesterCS

(1,827 posts)
10. AKA now now Israel, be nice...
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 12:27 AM
Jul 2016

How can anyone defend Israel, when their actions are ubiquitous and hardly becoming of a humane and civil society. Not that the other side is any less guilty, but Israel should be the bigger country and stop acting like the Middle east's elite rulers

lsewpershad

(2,620 posts)
12. What will it take
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 12:22 PM
Jul 2016

for America to understand that "strongly condemn" is not enough.... or is US condemnation just a smoke screen.

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