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Galraedia

(5,022 posts)
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 06:36 PM Jul 2012

Paul Ryan: Repeal health law because rights come from God

Source: The Raw Story

Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) is arguing that President Barack Obama’s health care reform law should be repealed because rights come from “nature and God,” not the government.

During an interview on ABC, former Massachusetts Sen. Ted Kennedy’s widow, Victoria Kennedy, told host George Stephanopoulos that the Supreme Court had made the right decision by upholding the Affordable Care Act.

“This health care reform was the cause of my husband’s life,” she explained. “He believed that it was a moral issue, that it defined the character of who we were as a society, who we were as a country, and that decent quality, affordable health care should be fundamental right and not a privilege.”

But Ryan rejected Kennedy’s assertion and promised to completely undo the law.

Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/07/01/paul-ryan-repeal-health-law-because-rights-come-from-god/

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Paul Ryan: Repeal health law because rights come from God (Original Post) Galraedia Jul 2012 OP
How do these assholes get into office, and who keeps them there? PDJane Jul 2012 #1
good question maddezmom Jul 2012 #2
Let me explain: richies like the Koch Bros. fund the t-baggers & hide their true agenda in religious wordpix Jul 2012 #4
Great Post! hamsterjill Jul 2012 #57
I apologize for living in Kentucky, i.e. Mitch McConnell billky Jul 2012 #5
Well often its because they either are $$$$ or have supporters who are $$$$$. nt cstanleytech Jul 2012 #15
Someday he could get to be the prez,,,heard he is a possible VP for 2012!!!! lunasun Jul 2012 #26
How come kardonb Jul 2012 #28
Because "Getting Richer" is their Real God. nt Amonester Jul 2012 #56
Idiots who think the gov't is always the enemy and reward people who say it. harun Jul 2012 #58
Get rid of health care Politicalboi Jul 2012 #3
And clothes jonthebru Jul 2012 #6
Not gonna happen until the day we have people being dragged out of their homes Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #10
But then again, many of us have guns, too, and many of those have already started.... drb Jul 2012 #43
I have a vintage 12 gauge on the wall as a decoration Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #44
If rights come from God, why did we have to come up with the Bill of Rights and other laws? sakabatou Jul 2012 #7
+1000 maddezmom Jul 2012 #32
That's just the point: According to "people" like Ryan, we shouldn't HAVE a Bill of Rights. FiveGoodMen Jul 2012 #61
Getting closer and closer to the Talibanization of the Republican party... DCBob Jul 2012 #8
Ryan, STFU! and-justice-for-all Jul 2012 #9
Maybe his GAWD the all mighty dollar Iliyah Jul 2012 #11
Paul Ryan's God is Ayn Rand Joe Bacon Jul 2012 #48
He must be feeling some catholic guilt. He switched from the objectivism of Ayn Rand to Kencorburn Jul 2012 #12
It's wonderful to see them self destruct like this Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #13
He needs to resign and enter that monastery he's always dreamed of. aquart Jul 2012 #14
So Paul Ryan is giving up his "right" to the healthcare that congress and the senate have? cstanleytech Jul 2012 #16
Can I have all Ryan's stuff since he has no right to property? McCamy Taylor Jul 2012 #17
Yea Jesus SoFlaJet Jul 2012 #18
... Scuba Jul 2012 #19
So by that reasoning, whathehell Jul 2012 #20
I was thinking that the new photo ID laws must then be Motown_Johnny Jul 2012 #21
Yes, and with that, we will need whathehell Jul 2012 #31
I wish Republicans would stop trying to invoke God in everything. Jamaal510 Jul 2012 #22
Well, Ryan's stance certainly define his morality and character. n/t Beartracks Jul 2012 #23
Does Ryan believe then, that if someone becomes an athiest Ken Burch Jul 2012 #24
Funny I thought rights came from the Bill of Rights. Rain Mcloud Jul 2012 #25
Far from it. Igel Jul 2012 #42
Tl;Dr: The Bill Of Rights tells government what it MAY NOT do, not what you CAN do. AtheistCrusader Jul 2012 #54
Excellent summary Rain Mcloud Jul 2012 #62
I wonder if Ryan knows what a non sequitor is? mysuzuki2 Jul 2012 #27
So Ryan is Anti-God? They_Live Jul 2012 #29
He has read everything that Ayn Rand has written oldbanjo Jul 2012 #34
Who died and left him in charge of God's work? Thinkingabout Jul 2012 #30
So how does Eddie munster explain the Bill of rights??/// Historic NY Jul 2012 #33
I'd like him to lay out... ensemble Jul 2012 #35
"lay out"? hell, if the election goes the wrong way this year... 0rganism Jul 2012 #36
No, they came from men. Igel Jul 2012 #40
Such a freak Scairp Jul 2012 #37
he knows dam well he`s full of shit madrchsod Jul 2012 #38
Since republicans worship Satan magic59 Jul 2012 #39
+102 Angry Dragon Jul 2012 #41
In fact, Republicans worship Mammon... LeftishBrit Jul 2012 #63
The "rights" he's talking about are his own... oNobodyo Jul 2012 #45
Meanwhile, back in reality . . . MrModerate Jul 2012 #46
Ah, Ryan invokes the anti-socialistic, "religious freedom" argument. BadgerKid Jul 2012 #47
And shame on Jesus for going around healing people! tanyev Jul 2012 #49
Oh the irony of Ryan invoking the God card 90-percent Jul 2012 #50
So a corporation's 'right' to dump $millions into political ads came from God? sinkingfeeling Jul 2012 #51
Thomas Jefferson Stratosgc Jul 2012 #52
The Right Third Doctor Jul 2012 #53
I think it's time someone shipped this clown back to his god. nt valerief Jul 2012 #55
maybe these shitbirds should collect their paychecks from god too frylock Jul 2012 #59
By that logic, there wouldn't be any laws at all. LeftishBrit Jul 2012 #60

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
4. Let me explain: richies like the Koch Bros. fund the t-baggers & hide their true agenda in religious
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 06:44 PM
Jul 2012

"family values," anti-abortion, small government rhetoric, which the dumbass t-baggers and religious nuts believe and vote for, with a big R.

The Koch Bros. have probably paid for plenty of abortions themselves for their girlfriends or whatever.

Once they have the masses on their side, they can move toward their agenda of corporatocracy in America, exploitation of all natural resources and public lands, total heavy industrialization without regulations, and getting richer.

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
57. Great Post!
Mon Jul 2, 2012, 04:16 PM
Jul 2012

You've definitely got it figured out! And I love the way you describe the whole, sordid mess in a very succint way!

This is EXACTLY what is happening in this country, and the fools that believe are too stupid to see what is right in front of their faces!

 

billky

(159 posts)
5. I apologize for living in Kentucky, i.e. Mitch McConnell
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 06:51 PM
Jul 2012

I'm ashamed to say I live in Kentucky, Mitch McConnell and Rand Paul..so sorry for the nuts- McConnell has to go!

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
26. Someday he could get to be the prez,,,heard he is a possible VP for 2012!!!!
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 08:29 PM
Jul 2012

insane world indeed

 

kardonb

(777 posts)
28. How come
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 08:40 PM
Jul 2012

If laws come from nature and god , what is Ryan doing in congress ? I guess waiting for a word from god .Apparently , god hasn't told him yet to care for his fellow citizens when they are in need .

harun

(11,348 posts)
58. Idiots who think the gov't is always the enemy and reward people who say it.
Mon Jul 2, 2012, 04:34 PM
Jul 2012

Mind you these people are running to be in gov't, so it doesn't make sense, but I digress.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
3. Get rid of health care
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 06:42 PM
Jul 2012

As soon as we get rid of guns. Nature and God have nothing to do with guns, so we should take that right away ASAP!

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
10. Not gonna happen until the day we have people being dragged out of their homes
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 07:13 PM
Jul 2012

by Right Wingers who are shooting non-Christians or anyone who doesn't have a Bible by their bed and a cross on their wall.

And hell, that is what they'd really LIKE to do. Some of them already know which houses in town to hit first.

drb

(1,520 posts)
43. But then again, many of us have guns, too, and many of those have already started....
Mon Jul 2, 2012, 01:16 AM
Jul 2012

....their lists.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
44. I have a vintage 12 gauge on the wall as a decoration
Mon Jul 2, 2012, 03:06 AM
Jul 2012

with a picture of the 3 stooges underneath it.

Kinda proves I'm sane.

sakabatou

(42,146 posts)
7. If rights come from God, why did we have to come up with the Bill of Rights and other laws?
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 07:06 PM
Jul 2012

Last edited Sun Jul 1, 2012, 09:26 PM - Edit history (1)

Ryan is such an asshat.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
8. Getting closer and closer to the Talibanization of the Republican party...
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 07:07 PM
Jul 2012

and ultimately of America. Its just a matter of time unless the voters wake up.

and-justice-for-all

(14,765 posts)
9. Ryan, STFU!
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 07:10 PM
Jul 2012

"should be repealed because rights come from “nature and God,” not the government." comments like this are the clear indicator that they know they have lost and have nothing else left, but religious trite nonsense.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
11. Maybe his GAWD the all mighty dollar
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 07:14 PM
Jul 2012

but my GOD no....

These Godless critters need to crawl back into the devil's hole.

Sick motherf*****

Joe Bacon

(5,163 posts)
48. Paul Ryan's God is Ayn Rand
Mon Jul 2, 2012, 08:38 AM
Jul 2012

Just like every other Republican, Ryan talks the Jesus talk, but he walks the Ayn Rand walk. Like his fellow Republican Christians, he worships a Golden Elephant every Sunday.

Kencorburn

(74 posts)
12. He must be feeling some catholic guilt. He switched from the objectivism of Ayn Rand to
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 07:17 PM
Jul 2012

St. Thomas Aquinas' natural law. In the immortal words of Repug Barbie, "Morality's hard ".

aquart

(69,014 posts)
14. He needs to resign and enter that monastery he's always dreamed of.
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 07:34 PM
Jul 2012

But, Matthew 25:41-46, he still burns in Hell.

cstanleytech

(26,273 posts)
16. So Paul Ryan is giving up his "right" to the healthcare that congress and the senate have?
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 07:41 PM
Jul 2012

After all its not from God.

SoFlaJet

(7,767 posts)
18. Yea Jesus
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 07:47 PM
Jul 2012

would prefer that we suffer-what a frigging asshole. Do they actually BELIEVE the shit that comes out of their faces?

whathehell

(29,050 posts)
20. So by that reasoning,
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 08:06 PM
Jul 2012

I guess we never needed a constitution, nor a government

which would seem to put him out of a job.

Shouldn't someone have told this lying huckster

to cut the shit, and that, until "God" runs on the ballot,

he can thank both of the above for his "rights"?

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
21. I was thinking that the new photo ID laws must then be
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 08:08 PM
Jul 2012

God's will since he is taking voting rights away from specific groups of people.

whathehell

(29,050 posts)
31. Yes, and with that, we will need
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 09:10 PM
Jul 2012

God's photo I.D. and birth certificate should

he decide to run for office.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
22. I wish Republicans would stop trying to invoke God in everything.
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 08:09 PM
Jul 2012

It makes all of us Christians look bad.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
24. Does Ryan believe then, that if someone becomes an athiest
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 08:27 PM
Jul 2012

she or he is no longer covered by the Bill of Rights?

 

Rain Mcloud

(812 posts)
25. Funny I thought rights came from the Bill of Rights.
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 08:27 PM
Jul 2012

God will not vote your ignorant superstitious ass out of office so it falls to me to exercise my right,which is guaranteed by the Constitution.
You might read the Constitution some time,so that it does not appear to everyone that you are pandering to the tax free faith industry for campaign donations.

Also try reading this book which is commonly referred to as the Bible,then you won't sound like a total ignoramus to those who know that the Jewish People are God's chosen people,not Israel,not the used to be good-ol'-USA .
No,a circumcision and the Torah does not make you Jewish,so stop.
My God does not kill People on a whim,maybe Your God,the almighty Dollar does but not mine.
Lastly,I would like to invite You to shove your head up your own ass for being a shithead.

Igel

(35,293 posts)
42. Far from it.
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 11:45 PM
Jul 2012

Back in the '70s it was still taught that the Bill of Rights was an enumeration of the basic rights that proceeded from Nature and Nature's God, according to the writers of the founding documents. Some didn't want to enumerate them because they thought simple minds would misunderstand the relationship between the enumerated rights and their actual rights, between the listing of rights and the rights that people had. It was thought some simpleton would misunderstand the Bill of Rights as the list of rights held and granted to the citizens, when it's the other way around: The Bill of Rights is a minimal list putting the government on notice that these are some, the most important, of the rights that it dare not trample.

The idea is that as a human being you have rights. It's a powerful idea. Some wanted to implement it more fully in the 1790s. Others didn't and the others won. But once the idea took hold, it tended to spread. We had to fight a war to deal with one part of the limitation on this idea--and the war itself tended to undermine the idea of rights. Then we had to have the suffragette movement to round out the idea--which is that nobody gives you your rights. You just have them. The most anybody can do is to deny you your rights. And the Constitution says that the denier of rights shall not be the federal government. State government? Individuals? Not what the Constitution was concerned with at the time. (That came later, Civil War and after.)

In the 1700s one of the principal right-deniers was the British crown and Parliament. The US soldiers fought, presumably, because liberty was better than tyranny. As Franklin put it, those who sacrifice essential liberty for temporary security deserve neither.

When they set up the first US as a confederation, they had a much more limited federal government. If somebody was going to infringe on your rights, it had to be a local government, not one a thousand miles away. Practically the confederation barely won the war; it wasn't able to govern the peace. So they scotched the confederation and formed the federation we have now, although it was a lot weaker to begin with.

The federation would be stronger than the confederation, and some feared that it would trample citizen's rights. Others argued this wouldn't happen. Some of the most important rights to be protected were listed: no quartering of troops in houses during peace time, freedom of press and speech and religion, due process, etc., etc. All of these are rights that you automatically have but which government can infringe and reduce. SCOTUS has ruled that some can be infringed--but only when there's a sufficient, a good enough, reason. All rights in the constitution are, originally, negative rights. You have them and the "right" is phrased as a prohibition against denying the right, they're phrased as limitations on government intrusion. All the rights not listed in the bill of rights still hold. You still have them. But "all the rights" at the time would have been natural rights, negative rights. Rights that basically tell the government to be hands off.

Even due process and fair trial are rights that you have because they seek to deny you of liberty and property, and they are rights you automatically have. It places a burden on government--but if government doesn't seek to curtail your freedom, then there's no burden on government to provide a fair trial. It's an obligation placed upon others by virtue of actions they want to take to limit you.

If rights come from government, then the Constitution has to be rewritten: "We, the government of the United States, in order to have subjects, ordain that the population of the United States of America shall be our citizens, subject to the constraints and rights that we, their controllers, grant them at the time of our choosing and in the manner we provide for." But it's the other way round: We consent to ordain the government as is our natural right, and permit it to function so long as it doesn't trample on our rights any more than absolutely necessary.

In practice it often works the first way--government is first, the citizens second. This is backwards, and the tension between a citizenry that places freedom above security and the need to provide order and security is what made America an interesting place for a long time. Now that a lot of people want security, temporary or permanent, and have decreed that security is liberty there's no wonder that we have all kinds of demands--from the Patriot Act and greater freedom through greater government monitoring to the assertion of a lot of positive rights.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
54. Tl;Dr: The Bill Of Rights tells government what it MAY NOT do, not what you CAN do.
Mon Jul 2, 2012, 12:03 PM
Jul 2012

Good post though.

 

Rain Mcloud

(812 posts)
62. Excellent summary
Wed Jul 4, 2012, 01:14 AM
Jul 2012

in High School American History,but it strays from Paul Ryan's remark that the ACA should be struck down because all rights come from God and not from Government.
When and if God does show up,like Lucille Ball,He 'as some essplainin' to do.
Till that time the Government's authority comes from the people,by the people,for the people,not some bi-polar sky being.

Thank You for the well written responses.

ensemble

(164 posts)
35. I'd like him to lay out...
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 09:45 PM
Jul 2012

his Utopian vision of world with only God given and natural rights.
A lot of buzz words, and not a lot of substance.

0rganism

(23,933 posts)
36. "lay out"? hell, if the election goes the wrong way this year...
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 10:10 PM
Jul 2012

...we'll be living in Ryan's "Utopia" by 2014.

Igel

(35,293 posts)
40. No, they came from men.
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 11:24 PM
Jul 2012

Who didn't really want to taint the idea of natural rights by enumerating them.

Natural rights are rights that inhere in humans by virtue of Nature and Nature's God. If you think that the people who wrote the founding documents wrote what they meant and meant what they wrote. It's a novel idea, I know, but they were amateur politicians.

Scairp

(2,749 posts)
37. Such a freak
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 10:12 PM
Jul 2012

Going along with that thinking no laws should be made ever as this is god's domain and we should not interfere. A total dog eat dog world and nothing other. Do they really think this resonates with the public? I surely hope not otherwise this country is in much more trouble than I had ever imagined.

 

magic59

(429 posts)
39. Since republicans worship Satan
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 11:18 PM
Jul 2012

I guess he is right, his God would love to see people suffer and die from lack of heath care.

LeftishBrit

(41,205 posts)
63. In fact, Republicans worship Mammon...
Wed Jul 4, 2012, 03:36 AM
Jul 2012

so I suppose it's quite true that in their world, rights come entirely from money.

oNobodyo

(96 posts)
45. The "rights" he's talking about are his own...
Mon Jul 2, 2012, 03:36 AM
Jul 2012

The right to think oneself "superior" to others, because wealth and power are also "god given".

These are the two predominant philosophies on the right and where they cross is the ugly justifications for both loving the wealthy and hating the poor.

The nature he talks of...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayn_Rand

The god he talks of...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominionism

Or in the simplest of terms "Kill em all and let god sort em out."

This is what happens when you take the "competition above all else" ethos to it's logical conclusion.

 

MrModerate

(9,753 posts)
46. Meanwhile, back in reality . . .
Mon Jul 2, 2012, 05:21 AM
Jul 2012

Where god most definitely isn't the mayor, the cop, the judge, or the legislature, the rest of us recognize that rights must be defined and upheld by human beings.

Even among religious people (I'm not) I expect this is seen as a crackpot statement.

BadgerKid

(4,549 posts)
47. Ah, Ryan invokes the anti-socialistic, "religious freedom" argument.
Mon Jul 2, 2012, 08:12 AM
Jul 2012

I am entitled also to be free FROM your religion. I still don't understand why some people want to disallow others from collectively "doing for themselves."

tanyev

(42,540 posts)
49. And shame on Jesus for going around healing people!
Mon Jul 2, 2012, 09:01 AM
Jul 2012

When you get sick, it's because God wants you to be sick.

90-percent

(6,828 posts)
50. Oh the irony of Ryan invoking the God card
Mon Jul 2, 2012, 09:15 AM
Jul 2012

Hasn't it been within the last few weeks that both the NUNS ON THE BUS TOUR and a bunch of Catholic Bishops have mounted a public campaign about how fucking horrible the Ryan Budget would be to the poor, elderly and disenfranchised?

He's got NUNS AND BISHOPS coming down hard and publicly on him for his heartless budget and he plays the God card?


Uh, Paul, people a lot closer to God than you are telling the world you and your budget totally suck. I don't think God's got your back on this one, pal!

-90% jimmy

Stratosgc

(37 posts)
52. Thomas Jefferson
Mon Jul 2, 2012, 10:11 AM
Jul 2012

"Endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. To ensure these rights governments are instituted among men." That is the job of government. It ensures the right to life. We all have equal right to live, that is not die because we can't afford health care.
Paul Ryan must have been educated in a school that used American history books approved by the Texass board of education.

Third Doctor

(1,574 posts)
53. The Right
Mon Jul 2, 2012, 11:10 AM
Jul 2012

Has lost it's damned mind. They also hold this jerk who has federally funded healthcare as some type of hero.

LeftishBrit

(41,205 posts)
60. By that logic, there wouldn't be any laws at all.
Mon Jul 2, 2012, 05:57 PM
Jul 2012

I HATE this whole concept that healthcare isn't a human right.

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