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Sun Oct 16, 2016, 07:51 PM

New poll shows Trump leading Clinton by 17 points in Utah

Source: Salt Lake Tribune

The poll of likely voters, conducted Oct. 12-14, shows Trump at 37 percent, with Clinton at 20 percent. Independent candidate Evan McMullin is tied with Clinton at 20 percent, while Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson and Green candidate Jill Stein polled at 7 percent and 1 percent, respectively.

Among Mormons, the poll revealed that 37 percent support Trump and 28 percent back McMullin, a member of the LDS Church. Just 11 percent of Mormons support Clinton.

Read more: http://www.sltrib.com/home/4473773-155/new-poll-shows-trump-leading-clinton



I know we've all been hoping to turn the Beehive state blue, but unfortunately there is a high level of rabid anti-Clinton sentiment among Mormons and McMullin seems to be drawing many of the anti-Trump Mormons.

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Reply New poll shows Trump leading Clinton by 17 points in Utah (Original post)
malchickiwick Oct 2016 OP
still_one Oct 2016 #1
malchickiwick Oct 2016 #7
Cha Oct 2016 #22
riversedge Oct 2016 #24
aeroman Oct 2016 #2
LongtimeAZDem Oct 2016 #14
riversedge Oct 2016 #25
pablo_marmol Oct 2016 #35
Egnever Oct 2016 #29
nolabels Oct 2016 #3
malchickiwick Oct 2016 #13
MisterFred Oct 2016 #16
Egnever Oct 2016 #30
MisterFred Oct 2016 #32
Egnever Oct 2016 #33
MisterFred Oct 2016 #34
TeamPooka Oct 2016 #4
stopbush Oct 2016 #5
randr Oct 2016 #6
Coyotl Oct 2016 #28
JI7 Oct 2016 #8
Submariner Oct 2016 #9
Ccarmona Oct 2016 #10
msongs Oct 2016 #11
pnwmom Oct 2016 #12
wysi Oct 2016 #15
malchickiwick Oct 2016 #19
spooky3 Oct 2016 #17
LisaL Oct 2016 #18
spooky3 Oct 2016 #20
LisaL Oct 2016 #21
spooky3 Oct 2016 #23
LisaL Oct 2016 #31
lonestarnot Oct 2016 #26
Coyotl Oct 2016 #27

Response to malchickiwick (Original post)

Sun Oct 16, 2016, 07:58 PM

1. Utah No. 1 in online porn subscriptions, so why would support for trump there surprise anyone

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Response to still_one (Reply #1)

Sun Oct 16, 2016, 08:06 PM

7. An excellent point!

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Response to still_one (Reply #1)

Mon Oct 17, 2016, 12:45 AM

22. It's weird.. in Mormon country.

Thank you, still one

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Response to still_one (Reply #1)

Mon Oct 17, 2016, 08:49 AM

24. So, Utah loves dirty old man TRuMP.

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Response to malchickiwick (Original post)

Sun Oct 16, 2016, 08:00 PM

2. AZ will do

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and hey, 11 Electoral Votes!! (5 more than Utah)

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Response to aeroman (Reply #2)

Sun Oct 16, 2016, 09:19 PM

14. It's highly unlikley that Clinton will win here

I hope I'm wrong, of course, but Republicans have a strong record of getting out the vote here, and we simply don't.

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Response to riversedge (Reply #25)

Tue Oct 18, 2016, 04:25 AM

35. "HRC camp has decided to try to get AZ..."


Well then it was pretty shitty strategy to invoke the "gun show loophole" lie at the end of the second debate!

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Response to LongtimeAZDem (Reply #14)

Mon Oct 17, 2016, 03:39 PM

29. Yup would surprise me as well

 

On a recent trip there I had two different strangers walk up to me and start complaining about Obama.

Never happened to me before or since.

I was not wearing anything to indicate I was or was not an Obama supporter

Was very odd

Obviously that could be a weird anomaly but I doubt it.

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Response to malchickiwick (Original post)

Sun Oct 16, 2016, 08:02 PM

3. In a state filled mostly with lunatics, what would one think otherwise?

You probably get a more accurate reading of those folks if you polled them about aliens from outer-space and if they existed

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Response to nolabels (Reply #3)

Sun Oct 16, 2016, 08:47 PM

13. To be fair, SLC is a refreshing island of blue in a sea of deep red.

But, yeah, the rest of the state is WAY too credulous ... and Utah County is like the Taliban-lite.

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Response to nolabels (Reply #3)

Sun Oct 16, 2016, 11:47 PM

16. Well...

I was JUST reading a post on Democratic Underground saying Utah was tied. People do seem willing to believe whatever reinforces their desires and/or prejudices.

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Response to MisterFred (Reply #16)

Mon Oct 17, 2016, 03:41 PM

30. This was only polling mormons

 

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Not the same as polling the whole population.

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Response to Egnever (Reply #30)

Mon Oct 17, 2016, 06:13 PM

32. Incorrect.

The poll was of all Utahns. They apparently also separated responses by religion.

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Response to MisterFred (Reply #32)

Mon Oct 17, 2016, 06:25 PM

33. You are right this poll has two results and I glossed over the first

 

My mistake.

That said there is also this

The poll of likely voters, conducted Saturday and Sunday by Rasmussen Reports shows a sensational result in Utah, where two points separates the top three candidates. Donald Trump has 30%, conservative Evan McMullin has 29%, and Hillary Clinton has 28%. Gary Johnson has collapsed to 5%, with Stein at 1%.

So not nearly as dire as that one poll seems to suggest and I suspect many of Mcmullins supporters will break for clinton come election day.

Also the poll I am referring to is rasmussen that tends to lean conservative.

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Response to Egnever (Reply #33)

Tue Oct 18, 2016, 12:38 AM

34. Perhaps.

Living in Utah, Clinton hate is generally more widespread than Trump hate. Even among millennials she's fairly unpopular. I expect she'll win millenials in the urban counties pretty easily, and she might take the few union counties in the coal belt, but that's about it. I would expect just about all of McMullin's supporters to be disaffected conservatives, who Clinton has basically no shot at.

In truth, the state isn't all that hostile to liberals culturally, but they are easily swayed by conservative lies. They'd like a generic liberal way more than Clinton. Sanders would have won the state. Easily. All those McMullin supporters would have broken for him... if they even appeared in the first place. I've heard deep-red, dyed in the wool conservatives praise Sanders here. Even those who regard him as old-school communist respected him as honest.

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Response to malchickiwick (Original post)

Sun Oct 16, 2016, 08:02 PM

4. Utah loves the pussy grabber racist who wants to round up one religion at a time.

Good luck with that Utah.

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Response to malchickiwick (Original post)

Sun Oct 16, 2016, 08:02 PM

5. OK by me.

If too many of these red states give Hillary a razor-thin victory in their state, they'll expect a political reward for supporting Hillary.

Best if they vote for Trump and take their place among the political LOSERS of 2016. Then we and the D powerbase can ignore them and direct resources and attention to the real supporters of the progressive agenda.

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Response to malchickiwick (Original post)

Sun Oct 16, 2016, 08:03 PM

6. Likely voter polls are not at reliable

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Response to randr (Reply #6)

Mon Oct 17, 2016, 09:18 AM

28. Today dKos shows a 12% spread. Once again, don't give just one poll much weight, average them.

 

And, throw some of them in the trash!

http://elections.dailykos.com/app/elections/2016/office/president/state/UT

28.8% Hillary Clinton

41.1% Donald Trump

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Response to malchickiwick (Original post)

Sun Oct 16, 2016, 08:09 PM

8. i think mcmullin got into the race to help trump.

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Response to malchickiwick (Original post)

Sun Oct 16, 2016, 08:11 PM

9. Should not be a surprise that people who use a religion like mormonism

as "religious" cover for multiple marriages that include teenage or younger wives would support a sex predator like Trump.

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Response to malchickiwick (Original post)

Sun Oct 16, 2016, 08:28 PM

10. I Saw Another Utah Poll

 

That had it a lot closer: 34% Trump, 28% Clinton, & 20% McMullin.
It's no surprise that the Mormons really dislike HRC. She's coming in with an 0/2 count, being a Dem & a woman.

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Response to malchickiwick (Original post)

Sun Oct 16, 2016, 08:34 PM

11. deseret news poll said they were tied several days ago. nt

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Response to malchickiwick (Original post)

Sun Oct 16, 2016, 08:41 PM

12. There is good news in this, actually. Hillary doesn't need this handful

of electoral votes, but they are key to McMullin's exceedingly unlikely path to an electoral college win. He has to win at least one state and this was his best bet.

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Response to malchickiwick (Original post)

Sun Oct 16, 2016, 09:37 PM

15. Beautiful state

Shame about the people.

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Response to wysi (Reply #15)

Mon Oct 17, 2016, 12:14 AM

19. That's exactly what the people of Utah say about Massachusetts...LOL

Having lived in both states, I wish the red rocks world had more eastern-style liberals -- that would be perfect!!

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Response to malchickiwick (Original post)

Sun Oct 16, 2016, 11:56 PM

17. If Clinton voters flip to McMullin, that would give him, not DJT, UT's electoral college votes.

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Response to spooky3 (Reply #17)

Mon Oct 17, 2016, 12:04 AM

18. And if McCullin voters flip to Clinton, she'd win the state.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #18)

Mon Oct 17, 2016, 12:31 AM

20. My point was that it would work to her advantage to get

0 votes, if they went to McMullin.

She's not going to get McMullin's votes. Trump will win all the state's electoral votes, if nothing changes from the above results, but there's a way she could game this to her advantage.

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Response to spooky3 (Reply #20)

Mon Oct 17, 2016, 12:42 AM

21. And McMullin isn't gonna get hers.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #21)

Mon Oct 17, 2016, 12:50 AM

23. You're obviously missing the point. Have a nice evening.

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Response to spooky3 (Reply #23)

Mon Oct 17, 2016, 03:41 PM

31. I get the point.

But other polls show the race is much closer between the three of them.
It really would make no sense to convince Clinton voters to vote for the other guy, considering the race is split right now and any of them has a chance of actually winning.

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Response to malchickiwick (Original post)

Mon Oct 17, 2016, 09:05 AM

26. LOL OMG I'm sorry, I guess I should be sad too for the state of mental acuity there.

 

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Response to malchickiwick (Original post)

Mon Oct 17, 2016, 09:12 AM

27. Romney effect in progress. UT Voters under 30, Trump is running 4th = 13%

 

From: UT Voters under 30, Trump is running 4th = 13%

John Nichols ‏@NicholsUprising 26 minutes ago
Among voters under age 30 in Utah, @realDonaldTrump is running 4th.

McMullin: 33% Clinton: 27% Johnson: 15% Trump: 13% Stein: 2%

LOL = six times more support than Stein Man, that's gotta burn ... Go Jill

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump 6 hours ago
Polls close, but can you believe I lost large numbers of women voters based on made up events THAT NEVER HAPPENED. Media rigging election!

LOL. If media is rigging election, why are polls close? Moron!

DonaId J. Trump ‏@realDenaldTrump 2 hours ago
The polls are close & getting closer. Especially between me and Jill Stein. Though Jill demands I stay away from her. IT'S A TOTAL DISASTER!


Hillary Clinton Extends Lead Over Donald Trump to 11 Points
Democratic nominee picks up support from women, swing voters in latest WSJ/NBC News poll
Oct. 16, 2016

Hillary Clinton is consolidating a substantial lead over Donald Trump less than a month before Election Day, picking up support from women and swing voters as the Republican nominee navigates a roiling sex scandal, a new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll finds.

Heading into the final presidential debate in Las Vegas on Wednesday, Mrs. Clinton led Mr. Trump by 11 percentage points among likely voters, 48% to 37%, a big jump from the six-point edge she held in mid-September.

Moreover, the Republican presidential nominee is losing his advantage on matters that were once the cornerstone of his campaign ...........


Stanley Cohen ‏@StanleyCohenLaw
Polls are rigged. Trump has overwhelming support of people of color, women, Muslims, immigrants, and those fighting the oligarchy.



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