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HAB911

(8,867 posts)
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 06:55 AM Nov 2016

Florida utilities spend $43 million to make case to limit rooftop solar

Source: Tampa Bay Times

TALLAHASSEE — Lost in the tumultuous presidential election and the down-ballot fears, something big has been happening quietly in Florida this year: Electric companies have dropped $42.7 million into political campaigns.

Since January 2015, $20 million of the industry's profits went to finance and promote Amendment 1, the ballot initiative that attempts to frustrate the expansion of consumer-owned rooftop solar in Florida, but another $15 million more went to fuel the campaigns of a select group of powerful legislative leaders in an effort to prepare for a prolonged war against rooftop solar.

The bulk of the money is being used to promote Amendment 1 but, if that effort fails, the industry is also investing heavily into the Legislature to create favorable conditions in Florida, as utilities have in other states, to push back against the proliferation of rooftop solar.

In other states that effort has included attempts to make solar less economically feasible by reducing the amount the utility spends to reimburse customers for generating excess electricity to the grid through "net metering," imposing new fees on solar users and pre-empting local governments from opening the door to more solar competition. 

Read more: http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/stateroundup/florida-utilities-spend-35-million-to-make-case-to-limit-rooftop-solar/2300966?utm_source=TBT_email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Daystarter

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Florida utilities spend $43 million to make case to limit rooftop solar (Original Post) HAB911 Nov 2016 OP
Exactly florida08 Nov 2016 #1
another article florida08 Nov 2016 #4
why didn't they invest the 43 Million into rooftop solar? putitinD Nov 2016 #2
What pisses me off is it's OUR MONEY being used against us HAB911 Nov 2016 #3
Sounds like you have every right to be pissed. (nt) Paladin Nov 2016 #5
They're out to protect their profit margins, NOT the customers' rights Fritz Walter Nov 2016 #6
Which is better?? dicksmc3 Nov 2016 #7
Voted NO. Florida requires a 60% +1 Yes vote to pass. Lochloosa Nov 2016 #9
Also voted no. ohnoyoudidnt Nov 2016 #29
They will try to include those payments in overhead to justify rate increases too wishstar Nov 2016 #10
fuck these utilities that we prop up with public subsdies . they whine about the lack of generation allan01 Nov 2016 #11
Florida remains a The Wizard Nov 2016 #14
Watch the first episode of "Years of Living Dangerously"... N_E_1 for Tennis Nov 2016 #15
watched that with David Letterman florida08 Nov 2016 #22
the proposal makes it illegal to produce energy and sell it back to utilities nashville_brook Nov 2016 #16
I'm a very strong supporter of solar energy. But a friend who has studied the topic points out... Nitram Nov 2016 #17
While true, that's not a reason to refrain from installing. mahina Nov 2016 #24
All utilities should be publicly owned TexasBushwhacker Nov 2016 #18
Absolutely... freebrew Nov 2016 #19
In Austin, they'll give you a $85 rebate if you have a Nest Thermostat TexasBushwhacker Nov 2016 #31
Capitalists have a moral imperative to profit from the earth's resources and human labor. ronnie624 Nov 2016 #20
Unrelentingly sleazy. They are not friends of the human race, nor the planet itself. n/t Judi Lynn Nov 2016 #27
I can't think of anything more illogical ronnie624 Nov 2016 #30
Agree all utilities should be community owned! mahina Nov 2016 #25
reduce any rate increase by $86 million whistler162 Nov 2016 #23
Solar advocates file suit to block 'misleading' Amendment 1 HAB911 Nov 2016 #26
FPL/DUKE don't want to block solar they want to control it mitch96 Nov 2016 #28
Dec 1969 #

Fritz Walter

(4,291 posts)
6. They're out to protect their profit margins, NOT the customers' rights
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 07:42 AM
Nov 2016

The list of utilities and fossil-fuel interests supporting passage of this amendment is interwoven with the tentacles of Koch Industries!

'nuff said!

dicksmc3

(262 posts)
7. Which is better??
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 08:06 AM
Nov 2016

This is exactly what Missouri is doing with an amendment they have on the ballot for next week. Lobbyists and tobacco companies are trying to tell voters the amendment is not to be believed because the amendment takes the cigarette tax higher to pay for education and ONLY EDUCATION.. The lobbyists and cigarette manufacturers along with convenience store owners are all against it because they claim the money will be spent by shady legislators not on education. The way the thing is worded is really misleading.. Watch out in Florida for the same type of BS... Dirty pool IMO!!!

Lochloosa

(16,061 posts)
9. Voted NO. Florida requires a 60% +1 Yes vote to pass.
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 08:08 AM
Nov 2016

I don't have much faith this won't pass. The wording on the ballot makes it sound like it's a good thing for solar. It's not.

ohnoyoudidnt

(1,858 posts)
29. Also voted no.
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 06:17 PM
Nov 2016

There are a lot of people sharing articles about this on FB and local radio hosts are advocating against it (on the same stations where the commercials are promoting it). I saw one disgustingly deceptive commercial on tv supporting it, but nothing on tv to counter it.

Hopefully, enough people are aware how deceptive the wording is to reject it.

wishstar

(5,268 posts)
10. They will try to include those payments in overhead to justify rate increases too
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 08:12 AM
Nov 2016

Without strong Attorney General and state regulators willing to stand up to them and look out for customers, power companies can get by with manipulating rate increases.

allan01

(1,950 posts)
11. fuck these utilities that we prop up with public subsdies . they whine about the lack of generation
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 08:16 AM
Nov 2016

capacity and here it is . and i bet this concerted attack is alec orchastrated.

N_E_1 for Tennis

(9,664 posts)
15. Watch the first episode of "Years of Living Dangerously"...
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 09:33 AM
Nov 2016

It deals with solar energy and the battles we have in the US, meanwhile showing what India is doing to try to make the switch from coal to solar. They are way ahead of us in ideas and usage.

https://yearsoflivingdangerously.com/?gclid=COmgzcuSitACFdRtgQodGb8Dgg&gclsrc=ds

More in depth article and trailer for first episode.

https://www.republicreport.org/2016/years-of-living-dangerously-solar-florida/

Article about the solar industry from Nevada who had a booming solar industry.

http://www.npr.org/2016/03/11/470097580/nevada-solar-power-business-struggles-to-keep-the-lights-on

Just more corporate battle tactics to keep them wealthy and us suffering.




florida08

(4,106 posts)
22. watched that with David Letterman
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 11:09 AM
Nov 2016

and then Before the Flood with DeCaprio. Both were very well done and exposed Rick Scott and republicans denying climate change. What can you say about Inhofe? I have no words.

nashville_brook

(20,958 posts)
16. the proposal makes it illegal to produce energy and sell it back to utilities
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 09:33 AM
Nov 2016

this is the model that makes rooftop solar viable everywhere b/c it means that all the rooftops *work together* to increase power for the entire grid, AND it brings the cost down for consumers. Florida Power and Light, and Duke Energy are mortally threatened by this.

by all rights, Florida should have a TVA-style solar generation project that would lower costs, decrease emissions and secure our grid.

Nitram

(22,768 posts)
17. I'm a very strong supporter of solar energy. But a friend who has studied the topic points out...
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 09:42 AM
Nov 2016

...that if middle income and higher income people all install solar panels on their roofs, electricity rates for lower income people will have to go up. Just like health insurance, if fewer people are paying a utility for power, the price goes up.

mahina

(17,620 posts)
24. While true, that's not a reason to refrain from installing.
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 03:36 PM
Nov 2016

There are lots of ways to fund low income installations.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,144 posts)
18. All utilities should be publicly owned
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 10:10 AM
Nov 2016

The situation in Florida is a great example of why. If the electric company had a bit of foresight, they would realize that as people install rooftop solar, the demand on the power grid would be less, especially during peak hours. That lessens the need for costly expansions in the future.

freebrew

(1,917 posts)
19. Absolutely...
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 10:39 AM
Nov 2016

seems as if there was a time when we were on that road.
There was much better regulation of utilities BR(before reagan).

Now, it seems like the whole nation is up for auction.
Water companies, road repair even NASA. For sale.
Even your property if some rich guy wants it bad enough.
Whether you like it or not.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,144 posts)
31. In Austin, they'll give you a $85 rebate if you have a Nest Thermostat
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 10:25 PM
Nov 2016

or any other smart thermostat. All you to do is allow them to adjust your thermostat up to 4 degrees during peak demand. There's no obligation. You can drop out of the program at any time.

ronnie624

(5,764 posts)
20. Capitalists have a moral imperative to profit from the earth's resources and human labor.
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 10:40 AM
Nov 2016

Even if it means destroying our biosphere.

And that's that.

ronnie624

(5,764 posts)
30. I can't think of anything more illogical
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 08:16 PM
Nov 2016

or more at odds with a fundamental sense of justice. The capitalist theology, in my opinion, is about as rational as creationism.

HAB911

(8,867 posts)
26. Solar advocates file suit to block 'misleading' Amendment 1
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 03:43 PM
Nov 2016

TALLAHASSEE — Using new information that came from a leaked audio recording, solar industry advocates on Wednesday filed two legal actions aimed at asking the Florida Supreme Court to disqualify the outcome of Amendment 1 voting because of revelations they claim are proof that Florida's electric utility industry intentionally attempted to deceive voters.

The lawsuits, filed by the Florida Solar Energy Industries Association and Floridians for Solar Choice, the pro-solar political committee opposing the amendment, ask the court to reopen the case involving the ballot language used in the proposed Amendment 1 on the Nov. 8 ballot and declare it unconstitutionally misleading.

Proponents of the amendment, the utility-backed Consumers for Smart Solar, intentionally "withheld relevant and material information as to the objective and intended purpose of the amendment, and thereby misled this Court (and is now misleading the public) as to the adequacy of the ballot title and summary presented to the voters," the groups allege in their emergency lawsuit.

They cite a report by the Tampa Bay Times/Miami Herald that quotes Sal Nuzzo, the policy director and vice president at Tallahassee think tank supported by the utility industry, calling Amendment 1 "an incredibly savvy maneuver" that attempts to deceive voters into supporting restrictions on the expansion of solar by shrouding it as a pro-solar amendment.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/solar-advocates-file-suit-to-block-misleading-amendment-1/2301102

mitch96

(13,870 posts)
28. FPL/DUKE don't want to block solar they want to control it
Wed Nov 2, 2016, 05:21 PM
Nov 2016

I was riding in West Virginia years ago.. Came upon a huge (yuuugge) wind farm.. Every on of the windmills had FPL plastered on the side.. A cheap source of energy would benefit their bottom line.. Of course they would not lower the price to consumers...
The Documentary was great btw..
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