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jpak

(41,756 posts)
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 03:10 PM Dec 2016

U.S. expels 35 Russian diplomats, closes two compounds: official

Source: Reuters

The United States on Thursday expelled 35 Russian diplomats and closed two Russian compounds in New York and Maryland in response to a campaign of harassment by Russia against American diplomats in Moscow, a senior U.S. official said on Thursday.

The U.S. official, speaking on condition of anonymity, told Reuters the Russian diplomats would be given 72 hours to leave the United States. Access to the two compounds will be denied to all Russian officials as of noon on Friday, the official added.



Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-russia-cyber-idUSKBN14I1TY



From the NYT...

U.S. Punishes Russia for Election Hacking, Ejecting Operatives

WASHINGTON — The Obama administration struck back at Russia on Thursday for its efforts to influence the 2016 election, ejecting 35 Russian intelligence operatives from the United States and imposing sanctions on Russia’s two leading intelligence services, including four top officers of the military intelligence unit the White House believes ordered the attacks on the Democratic National Committee and other political organizations.

In a sweeping set of announcements, the United States was also expected to release evidence linking the cyberattacks to computer systems used by Russian intelligence. Taken together, the actions would amount to the strongest American response ever taken to a state-sponsored cyberattack aimed at the United States.

The sanctions were also intended to box in President-elect Donald J. Trump. Mr. Trump has consistently cast doubt that the Russian government had anything to do with the hacking of the D.N.C. or other political institutions, saying American intelligence agencies could not be trusted and suggesting that the hacking could have been the work of a “400-pound guy” lying in his bed.

Mr. Trump will now have to decide whether to lift the sanctions on the Russian intelligence agencies when he takes office next month, with Republicans in Congress among those calling for a public investigation into Russia’s actions. Should Mr. Trump do so, it would require him to effectively reject the findings of his intelligence agencies.

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U.S. expels 35 Russian diplomats, closes two compounds: official (Original Post) jpak Dec 2016 OP
Good. n/t Coventina Dec 2016 #1
Concur. How do we force them to leave? fletch18 Dec 2016 #79
Well, THAT little observation was certainly worth breaking a 10 year silence to make. Mc Mike Dec 2016 #85
Will Trump fly them home for free on his plane? Chasstev365 Dec 2016 #2
Its the least he can do to thank them. Blue Shoes Dec 2016 #30
Yes, in Romney-approved rooftop carriers. TheCowsCameHome Dec 2016 #54
Holy shit! nt Guy Whitey Corngood Dec 2016 #3
I would expect that Pres Obama cilla4progress Dec 2016 #4
they're citing Russia's egregious harassment of American diplomats inside geek tragedy Dec 2016 #5
and hacking the election - per CNN jpak Dec 2016 #9
good point. Russia already kicked out & harrassed our diplomats,. they can use a phone. Sunlei Dec 2016 #21
CNN says - "govt. reveals names" jpak Dec 2016 #6
What are the names of Cozy Bear and Fancy Bear? HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #17
those are the two large government run hacker groups in russia. they also destablised Turkey, Crimea Sunlei Dec 2016 #26
So the hackers were physically in the US? HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #18
No. Igel Dec 2016 #50
Unbeknownst to the rest of us. Not going to know either. CIA and FBI have their lips sealed. YOHABLO Dec 2016 #69
Trump and his lying trolls won't like this one. Kingofalldems Dec 2016 #7
Speechless. notdarkyet Dec 2016 #24
Yes they will coco22 Dec 2016 #61
Republicans and their UNFIT president won't like this one. fixed it :P Sunlei Dec 2016 #28
Da Svidanya, Demona Ikru! Xipe Totec Dec 2016 #8
Trump connected Russians should be targeted. liberal N proud Dec 2016 #10
This aquamarina Dec 2016 #11
That is good. USA, USA. Hope there is more to come. Alekzander Dec 2016 #12
Donald Trump and team seem willing to risk a world war for their profits and egos. Eliot Rosewater Dec 2016 #13
Obama is going out with a bang Seedersandleechers Dec 2016 #14
Keep it up Mr. PRESIDENT. kacekwl Dec 2016 #47
Obama is just one of the smartest ever bucolic_frolic Dec 2016 #15
No, this should have happened before the election. LisaM Dec 2016 #16
Sometimes that's the problem with people like President Obama Bradical79 Dec 2016 #45
Maybe Obama has a plan Abouttime Dec 2016 #77
That is my fervent hope. My dream would be new election with japple Dec 2016 #81
I guess he, like everyone else, thought Hillary was going to win regardless. SunSeeker Dec 2016 #49
Sigh. I don't know how anyone thought that. LisaM Dec 2016 #56
Hillary did win!! Abouttime Dec 2016 #88
Good point. nt SunSeeker Dec 2016 #89
On 'Yes, Prime Minister' they expelled 76 Russian Diplomats FiveGoodMen Dec 2016 #19
Good move! Republicans can invite back their hacker 'friends' to hack Americas government. Sunlei Dec 2016 #20
Don't ever forget that putin and the russians probably have RNC or rep emails as well... sdfernando Dec 2016 #27
IMO, they're already blackmailed. even trump his russian beauty pageants when they party with girls. Sunlei Dec 2016 #36
Yup. Kinda like the bunga bunga parties of his fellow fascist, Berlusconi, but worse. SunSeeker Dec 2016 #52
Its also quite possible that sniffles owes the ruskies a ton of money elmac Dec 2016 #55
He sold real estate to them, made deals in russia. sanctions closed banks, trumps son said "money Sunlei Dec 2016 #60
Tit for tat has begun HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #22
- And if that is correct? Too F'ing Bad. We can talk to whoever we want.. vkkv Dec 2016 #29
yep nini Dec 2016 #35
like a site like that would be even click worthy nini Dec 2016 #34
Haaretz is a great publication for ME news LittleBlue Dec 2016 #66
No secret, no tit for tat Mr. Putin, USA has always been for Pals to have their own country. Sunlei Dec 2016 #39
you have evidence of that leak's provenance and authenticity? nt geek tragedy Dec 2016 #40
Nothing other than the amazing timing HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #42
huh? That alleged leak happened days ago, after the US abstention. geek tragedy Dec 2016 #44
Bias often requires little more than timing LanternWaste Dec 2016 #87
Da !! хороший ! vkkv Dec 2016 #23
Take that pootie flamingdem Dec 2016 #25
They'll be invited back for the inauguration & to live at Trump Tower milestogo Dec 2016 #31
Email from US Department of Treasury at 2:18 PM JustAnotherGen Dec 2016 #32
Russian Sanctions - email from Bureau of Industry and Security 12/28 at 3 PM JustAnotherGen Dec 2016 #33
That's the way to do it. Now Republicans will be the bad guys if they try to remove the EO. Sunlei Dec 2016 #41
Thank you, President Obama. greatauntoftriplets Dec 2016 #37
Wonder how many have ties to Donnie's cabinet picks. progressoid Dec 2016 #38
if the FBI is EVER allowed to "really investagate"- some Republicans will be in big trouble. Sunlei Dec 2016 #43
Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #46
Russia used hackers to try to interfere with our elections on behalf of Trump. geek tragedy Dec 2016 #51
Glad MIRT took care of that one! BumRushDaShow Dec 2016 #58
The republicans are all over Twitter, claiming "No proof of Russian involvement." GoCubsGo Dec 2016 #48
Awaiting Trump's Tweet left-of-center2012 Dec 2016 #53
Nope... kytngirl Dec 2016 #57
Waiting to see what he tweets blueseas Dec 2016 #59
I think todays EOs hit him in the face like a soppy towel. Obama told him to call anytime with ??s Sunlei Dec 2016 #63
Link to the detailed Homeland Security/FBI report... iluvtennis Dec 2016 #62
Thank you very much for the link here. YOHABLO Dec 2016 #70
Good riddance. Tatiana Dec 2016 #64
A necessary safeguard. Frankly, why did we allow known operatives in the country to begin with? LittleBlue Dec 2016 #65
Sometimes BumRushDaShow Dec 2016 #67
Trump thinks he can work both side of the aisle and the Russians? Who does he think YOHABLO Dec 2016 #68
Agree with you. Glad russians diplomats expelled...but I wanted something done about the election n iluvtennis Dec 2016 #71
It's just temporary. Putin will tell his lackey Trump to reinstate everything. keithbvadu2 Dec 2016 #72
Our president is such a smart badass! ALBliberal Dec 2016 #73
Have to agree. Put's Trump in a position where if he truly thinks the election wasn't hacked harun Dec 2016 #83
BOOM, and YES! nt babylonsister Dec 2016 #74
I guess we need 'extreme vetting' of russians samir.g Dec 2016 #75
I love it! No big whoop, NYC is sanctuary city. Right? fletch18 Dec 2016 #76
Repugs ARE treasonous nazi creeps. You're right. Mc Mike Dec 2016 #86
I want to say shit just got real but I think there bigger shit is coming... AgadorSparticus Dec 2016 #78
Thank you, President Obama! Lady_Chat Dec 2016 #80
Good stuff Obama! At least we got a Progressive administration harun Dec 2016 #82
How is it that these spy roomtomove Dec 2016 #84

Mc Mike

(9,111 posts)
85. Well, THAT little observation was certainly worth breaking a 10 year silence to make.
Fri Dec 30, 2016, 12:14 PM
Dec 2016

Sanctuary cities aren't set up to provide safe havens that allow enemy nation's spies to remain in the U.S., despite our federal government's expulsion ruling.

That's quite the cartoonish idea you have there, regarding what the sanctuary movement is all about. Very conservative, very uninformed, but not very amusing.

cilla4progress

(24,718 posts)
4. I would expect that Pres Obama
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 03:13 PM
Dec 2016

has good and strong...unequivocal...evidence that they somehow participated.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
26. those are the two large government run hacker groups in russia. they also destablised Turkey, Crimea
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 03:39 PM
Dec 2016

Ukraine and several other countries. Used the same dump hacked emails on WikiLeaks to destabilize a government- Republicans allowed in America.

Igel

(35,274 posts)
50. No.
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 04:37 PM
Dec 2016

There are two groups--perhaps one person each, but that's unlikely from what I've seen.

They aren't government backed. They cooperate with the government. On the other hand, they also engage in purely malicious and criminal hacks for fun and profit. It's a cultural thing. They're criminals, but nationalist and patriotic criminals, the kind of thing you get in sharply fascist states where the government's corrupt and the attitude of the populace is that they'll baldly lie to protect the government (even if they resent the local officials). They're Russian; they might be in Russia, but at least in the past they were physically located some place in the SW part of the country, and have been allied with or form a unit with Russian hackers in the E. Ukraine. The government doesn't want to reign them in, because they often do on their own what the government would want, and the space between them and the government provides plausible deniability.

One tends to work with the FSB; the other, military intelligence. The two organizations do not coordinate or cooperate; if anything, they're usually described as competitive, acting more in parallel than in tandem. It would be like the FBI and CIA if both were fully authorized to conduct operations domestically and abroad, instead of being complementary.

notdarkyet

(2,226 posts)
24. Speechless.
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 03:37 PM
Dec 2016

So far they are dumbfounded. Will they defend Russia? Guess what news will dominate the media today?

coco22

(1,258 posts)
61. Yes they will
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 05:24 PM
Dec 2016

RepubliCon on msnbc now defending russian talking about election again. That hate is strong.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,106 posts)
13. Donald Trump and team seem willing to risk a world war for their profits and egos.
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 03:22 PM
Dec 2016

Too bad most of their voters dont understand this.

bucolic_frolic

(43,056 posts)
15. Obama is just one of the smartest ever
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 03:27 PM
Dec 2016

he may have been willing to compromise with Boehner too often

but he always studies all his options and acts in the best interests
of the United States

what will Bouffant Don do now?

LisaM

(27,794 posts)
16. No, this should have happened before the election.
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 03:30 PM
Dec 2016

For all of his smarts, he did not do enough before the election vis a vis Comey and the Russians. He just didn't. I'm freaking out.

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
45. Sometimes that's the problem with people like President Obama
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 04:17 PM
Dec 2016

They underestimate others' ability to be foolish and self destructive.

 

Abouttime

(675 posts)
77. Maybe Obama has a plan
Fri Dec 30, 2016, 12:12 AM
Dec 2016

That once and for all will bring don the con down before he's even confirmed by the house

SunSeeker

(51,513 posts)
49. I guess he, like everyone else, thought Hillary was going to win regardless.
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 04:36 PM
Dec 2016

So he didn't want to stir the pot and generate charges that he was helping her. Of course, after Comey put out his letter, all bets were off and at that point Obama should have condemned Russia loud and clear. But I think even after the Comey letter, Obama thought she was going to win.

Hindsight is 20/20.

LisaM

(27,794 posts)
56. Sigh. I don't know how anyone thought that.
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 04:48 PM
Dec 2016

Anytime she got any kind of a bump, some new roadblock would be thrown up. I was terrified a couple of days before the election; not that I thought the Comey thing meant anything, but then down went the polls, in predictable fashion.

 

Abouttime

(675 posts)
88. Hillary did win!!
Fri Dec 30, 2016, 04:38 PM
Dec 2016

Don't forget that, she won by 3 million votes. PA, WI, MI and FL were most likely stolen handing the EC to tRump.
I wish Obama would reference this!!

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
19. On 'Yes, Prime Minister' they expelled 76 Russian Diplomats
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 03:31 PM
Dec 2016

when they wanted to cover up something else in the news.

I don't see how this will have any impact.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
20. Good move! Republicans can invite back their hacker 'friends' to hack Americas government.
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 03:32 PM
Dec 2016
Republicans used the hacked stuff like they ordered the cyber-crime directly from Russia, let Republicans be responsible for letting criminals back into America.

sdfernando

(4,925 posts)
27. Don't ever forget that putin and the russians probably have RNC or rep emails as well...
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 03:40 PM
Dec 2016

they will blackmail to get their ends.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
36. IMO, they're already blackmailed. even trump his russian beauty pageants when they party with girls.
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 03:53 PM
Dec 2016

Russia probably holds many, many party fun videos as blackmail.

That's why trump paid off the girl he raped and beat in his & pedophile friend Jeffery usa 'party' so very fast.

When she got a good lawyer & lawyer threatened a public press interview on election week. He (and Republican backers?) paid millions, on the spot to stop the interview. And shut her up.

SunSeeker

(51,513 posts)
52. Yup. Kinda like the bunga bunga parties of his fellow fascist, Berlusconi, but worse.
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 04:39 PM
Dec 2016

And, sadly, without the public outrage.

 

elmac

(4,642 posts)
55. Its also quite possible that sniffles owes the ruskies a ton of money
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 04:47 PM
Dec 2016

being his corporate credit rating is in the dumpster. That plus his history of not paying for services, contracts, he can't get any traditional loans in this country.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
60. He sold real estate to them, made deals in russia. sanctions closed banks, trumps son said "money
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 05:22 PM
Dec 2016

from Russia". Still, trumps a silly-stooge to his Fellow Republicans, a patsy-president.

People like old Cheney will start scarfing-up Americas Federal and state money again for their personal war-businesses and the idiot (R) president, will blame the food stamp abuse.

 

vkkv

(3,384 posts)
29. - And if that is correct? Too F'ing Bad. We can talk to whoever we want..
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 03:41 PM
Dec 2016

Screw pro-Bibi Israelis.
Screw pro-Trumper Americans.
 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
66. Haaretz is a great publication for ME news
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 06:08 PM
Dec 2016

It's the only major left-oriented newspaper remaining in Israel.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
39. No secret, no tit for tat Mr. Putin, USA has always been for Pals to have their own country.
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 03:58 PM
Dec 2016

Two State solution.

unlike you Russians who want to group up with warmonger republicans and slay couple million woman, men and children with cluster bombs and poison gas and call babies 'terrorists'

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
44. huh? That alleged leak happened days ago, after the US abstention.
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 04:04 PM
Dec 2016

When else would that sort of leak emerge?

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
87. Bias often requires little more than timing
Fri Dec 30, 2016, 12:48 PM
Dec 2016

Bias often requires little more than timing to validate itself, upon which all the great post hoc ergo prompter hoc fallacies rest.

milestogo

(16,829 posts)
31. They'll be invited back for the inauguration & to live at Trump Tower
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 03:44 PM
Dec 2016

As a reward for hacking the election.

JustAnotherGen

(31,781 posts)
32. Email from US Department of Treasury at 2:18 PM
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 03:47 PM
Dec 2016

Update to OFAC's list of Specially Designated Nationals (SDN) and Blocked Persons

Today, the President issued an Executive Order Taking Additional Steps To Address The National Emergency With Respect To Significant Malicious Cyber-Enabled Activities. This amends Executive Order 13694, “Blocking the Property of Certain Persons Engaging in Significant Malicious Cyber-Enabled Activities.” E.O. 13694 authorized the imposition of sanctions on individuals and entities determined to be responsible for or complicit in malicious cyber-enabled activities that result in enumerated harms that are reasonably likely to result in, or have materially contributed to, a significant threat to the national security, foreign policy, or economic health or financial stability of the United States. The authority has been amended to also allow for the imposition of sanctions on individuals and entities determined to be responsible for tampering, altering, or causing the misappropriation of information with the purpose or effect of interfering with or undermining election processes or institutions. Five entities and four individuals are identified in the Annex of the amended Executive Order and will be added to OFAC’s list of Specially Designated Nationals and Blocked Persons (SDN List). OFAC today is designating an additional two individuals who also will be added to the SDN List.

Please visit this page to access the latest version of the SDN list. Check this page periodically as it may also be updated if a new list-related format or product is offered. For more information on this specific action, please visit this page.

Here's the page:
https://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/sanctions/SDN-List/Pages/default.aspx

JustAnotherGen

(31,781 posts)
33. Russian Sanctions - email from Bureau of Industry and Security 12/28 at 3 PM
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 03:48 PM
Dec 2016
12/27/16
81 FR 94963

Russian Sanctions: Addition of Certain Entities to the Entity List, and Clarification of License Review Policy

This final rule amends the Export Administration Regulations (EAR) by adding twenty-three entities to the Entity List. The twenty-three entities who are added to the Entity List have been determined by the U.S. Government to be acting contrary to the national security or foreign policy interests of the United States. BIS is taking this action to ensure the efficacy of existing sanctions on the Russian Federation (Russia) for violating international law and fueling the conflict in eastern Ukraine. These entities will be listed on the Entity List under the destinations of Russia and the Crimea region of Ukraine.
In addition to the Entity List changes described above, this final rule revises the licensing policy in three sections of the Commerce Control List (CCL)-based controls in the EAR to clarify that BIS’s review of license applications for exports, reexports and transfers (in-country) to Russia will take into account and protect U.S. national security interests.

https://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/regulations/federal-register-notices#fr94963



Shit is getting real.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
43. if the FBI is EVER allowed to "really investagate"- some Republicans will be in big trouble.
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 04:03 PM
Dec 2016

trump is ignorant, his 'betters', his fellow Republicans use him like a rug.

Response to jpak (Original post)

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
51. Russia used hackers to try to interfere with our elections on behalf of Trump.
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 04:38 PM
Dec 2016

If you don't have a big problem with that, maybe this isn't the site for you.

GoCubsGo

(32,075 posts)
48. The republicans are all over Twitter, claiming "No proof of Russian involvement."
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 04:29 PM
Dec 2016

The fact that ALL 17 civilian and military security agencies have corroborated that the Russians have interfered with our election is apparently meaningless to them. No doubt the Cult of Trump is ignoring those facts.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
63. I think todays EOs hit him in the face like a soppy towel. Obama told him to call anytime with ??s
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 05:30 PM
Dec 2016

twit will be awake at 3am all "ritalined up" and send tweets to his internet-Jesus.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
65. A necessary safeguard. Frankly, why did we allow known operatives in the country to begin with?
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 06:03 PM
Dec 2016

I'm reading the commentary with people saying "every country does this, we knowingly allowed spies here..." Huh? Why the fuck did we knowingly allow spies to operate in this country?

All this too-clever-by-half shit is why we're facing Trump. The elites weren't taking our security seriously, allowing the Chinese and Russians to hack us for decades so long as the times were good. What happened to this country? How did we become so uncaring and naive?

BumRushDaShow

(128,483 posts)
67. Sometimes
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 07:05 PM
Dec 2016

it's to determine other/deeper motives that go beyond the dime-store novel plots.

IMHO, the Trump thing was a "fortunate circumstance" that the Russian oligarchs could take advantage of and was probably not the initial intent for the spying.

And as for "hacking" - the fact that we had an OS at one time used by something like 80% of the population that the programmers thought was hilarious to pepper with "easter eggs" rather than focus on security of the product, has nothing to do with the current administration and its security personnel. As it is (and as we saw first hand), you can have a powerfully secured system become compromised due to human responses to socially-engineered click-bait emails.

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
68. Trump thinks he can work both side of the aisle and the Russians? Who does he think
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 08:30 PM
Dec 2016

he's hoodwinking? So, did the Russians rig the election in favor of Trump, therefore Trump owes? I think we just ''elected'' the most corrupt President in U.S. History. It's not so much I can't wait for him to be sworn in, give or take a natural disaster that would prevent it, but to verify my convictions and speculation on what Trumps MOD is will be. Russian diplomats expelled? Yeah, that's telling them. The real cause for concern is the deal that Trump and Putin put together. We'll soon see won't we.

iluvtennis

(19,834 posts)
71. Agree with you. Glad russians diplomats expelled...but I wanted something done about the election n
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 08:45 PM
Dec 2016

harun

(11,348 posts)
83. Have to agree. Put's Trump in a position where if he truly thinks the election wasn't hacked
Fri Dec 30, 2016, 11:26 AM
Dec 2016

and wants to undo Obama's action, he'd be bringing Russian KGB agents back in to the United States.

That wouldn't go over so well.

fletch18

(7 posts)
76. I love it! No big whoop, NYC is sanctuary city. Right?
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 11:49 PM
Dec 2016

No harm no foul. Free vacation and they can hang out as long as they please😉

Mc Mike

(9,111 posts)
86. Repugs ARE treasonous nazi creeps. You're right.
Fri Dec 30, 2016, 12:27 PM
Dec 2016

And it IS hilarious how treasonous they are, always.

harun

(11,348 posts)
82. Good stuff Obama! At least we got a Progressive administration
Fri Dec 30, 2016, 11:20 AM
Dec 2016

for the last month of his Presidency. Better than nothing.

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