'Like taking a payday loan': Kansas lawmakers rip Gov. Brownback's shady new budget plan
Source: RawStory
Republican Kansas Gov. Sam Brownbacks experiment in supply-side economics has been a disaster for his states finances and his latest proposal to keep the government funded is getting panned by lawmakers in both parties.
The Wichita Eagle reports that Brownback wants to use money from the states long-term investments to cover a budget shortfall thats projected to be a whopping $930 million over the next 18 months. The goal of tapping into the investment fund, says Kansas Republican Senate Majority Leader Jim Dennin, is to to get out of the crisis the government is now facing without having to do deep, deep cuts to K-12 education.
However, at least one member of Brownbacks own party is not ready to sign off on such a plan and has even compared it to shady financial engineering. It looks to me like were taking a payday loan, said Republican Sen. Carolyn McGinn. Were borrowing against ourselves again internally, and I think its just going to put us further away from where we need to get to.
Democratic leader Anthony Hensley, meanwhile, said that tapping the fund was yet another gimmick that would do anything to fix the states long-term budget outlook.
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bucolic_frolic
(43,128 posts)has got to stop. No reserves, no equity, no rainy day fund ... it's no way to live.
Ccarmona
(1,180 posts)Raise taxes on the rich and corporations.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,174 posts)Makes sense to me!
Grins
(7,212 posts)If they were the struggling poors they would have said "Get a job!", save your money, invest for the future, and keep your hands off my shit! And now that the shoe is on the other foot...!
tblue37
(65,334 posts)vlyons
(10,252 posts)Ayn Randers know that everything should be privatized anyway. Brownback and his crew of dirty monopolistic capitolists are all a bunch of criminals. The whole Republican party is a vast criminal enterprise. Kansas has become Galt's Gulch. When the next round of floods and tornados rip through Kansas, you bet those dirty capitalists won't life a finger to raise taxes, but they will sure rely on FEMA to fix their broken wagons.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)that I basically agree with everything. I remember when I would have rolled my eyes at all those extreme statements. Just a liiiittle overstated perhaps? Not really. Not anymore.
vlyons
(10,252 posts)Republicans really think that poverty is caused by peoples' lack of morality. Republicans are selfish pigs. and liars. and criminals. and sociopaths.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)a kid exploring new ideas. He's also not exactly a brilliant thinker, but while running for VP he finally became aware that most people don't find randianism respectable and started disavowing Rand herself while sticking to libertarian ideas in general.
Given his age and commitment to draconian economic ideals, I actually suspect Ryan may be the real thing: libertarian by PERSONALITY, as are perhaps 13% of all people. Libertarian personalities have one main principle that pings with them: personal freedom, thus an ideology that elevates selfishness into the prime virtue. The more extreme ones may have that as their only principle, but it's isolated alone at the top of any list for all of them. They also are mostly or entirely devoid of altruism, regarding it as a weakness and stupidity they're free of.
(Liberal and conservative personality types, in contrast both hold various principles and are altruistic, only varying on how large the groups they feel responsible to are.)
Ryan's patrons, the Koch brothers, say they're libertarians, but their father was a harsh authoritarian who admired the fascist economy of the Third Reich, and it's likely they're both really just their father's sons.
Babbling on, but this stuff pulls my string.
TomCADem
(17,387 posts)If it was purely a question of economics, Republicans would have been voted out long time ago in Brownback's early years given how disastrous his policies were. Instead, by pushing social conservatism, anti-abortion, and anti-immigration policies (in a very white majority State), Republicans have been able to cling to power. Of course, when Democrats vote against such racist or intolerant policies, Democrats are accused of the ones pushing identity politics.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,848 posts)was the heart of the Progressive movement.
pbmus
(12,422 posts)One of the first states to enact prohibition and one of the last to repeal it...
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,848 posts)but I expect you don't know that Prohibition was a very Progressive thing.
Furthermore, Alf Landon was from Kansas. His daughter Nancy Landon Kassebaum was a Senator from that state. Yes, they were (are) Republicans, but not the modern tea party jerks. The kind of Eisenhower Republicans we could use a lot more of.
Kansas has elected women governors. All of two, but I'm sure there are states that have never elected even one. New York and California come to mind, and most people would consider those two states far more progressive.
But more to my point, the Progressive movement grew out of the earlier Populist movement, and they both had a strong anti-alcohol aspect, but it was Kansas Senator Joseph Bristow introduced the legislation that led to popular election of Senators. In the early 20th century Kansas passed child labor laws, laws regulating the hours of work for railroad employees, regulate utilities, inspect meat packing plants, and a worker's compensation law, just to name a few.
Yes, Kansas was at one time a very progressive state. It has evolved over the years, just as the Republican and Democratic Parties have.
And while Kansas isn't a big player on the national scene, I hope you learn from this post that it was not always run by bat-shit crazy extremists. And that it was, sadly a very long time ago, a genuinely progressive and forward-looking state.
pbmus
(12,422 posts)PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,848 posts)but Kansas stayed quite progressive at least into the 1970's. Alf Landon was governor in the mid-thirties, and ran against FDR in 1936. Of course no one was going to beat FDR. Twenty years earlier he'd been a strong supporter of Theodore Roosevelt's Progressive Party.
Nancy Landon Kassebaum was the first woman ever elected to a full term in the Senate without her husband having previously served in Congress, and the second woman elected to a US Senate seat without it being held first by her husband. She was in office from 1978-1997. By the time she decided not to run again, in 1996, Kansas had transformed into the right-wing place that it now is.
Despite that, Kansas elected Kathleen Sebelius (daughter of Ohio Governor Jack Gilligan) in 2002 and re-elected her in 2006. She was an amazing governor, and was very effective, despite a Republican legislature. Had she been able to build a national presence, she could conceivably have run for the Democratic nomination in 2008. She was definitely in the running for the VP slot, although it went to Biden in the end. Oh, and this might interest you about her: when she ran for re-election in 2006, she was able to persuade the former Republican State Chair to switch parties and run with her as lieutenant governor.
So yeah, things have changed, and that state is no longer Progressive, which is a genuine shame. But it once was, and not really all that long ago.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)The reformist Progressive movement of the early twentieth century which set much of the tone of American politics throughout the first half of the century is as similar to its new incarnation as are the Democratic and Republic policies of the early twentieth century similar to current policies.
UpInArms
(51,281 posts)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What's_the_Matter_with_Kansas%3F
shadowmayor
(1,325 posts)Those Kansas critters who are counting on a state pension will be shamefully shocked when the cows come home. I do feel sorry for those who voted against this turd. Those who voted for him, or couldn't bother to vote - not so much. How's the job creation going in Kansas? Minus the wind energy sector - there's nothing to smile about.
I keep wondering how long the people of Kansas will put up with this nonsense? But it's about values, not facts. Can't argue with the illogical using facts. If they ever do elect a Democrat - taxes will be raised, schools will be repaired, budgets will get fixed, and after all is said and done - some republican asshole will win the election crying about those "tax and spend" democrats and promising to cut taxes again. Ask Kahleefornia how well their Reagan/Deukmejian/Wilson/Swarzenegger experiments worked out? Gray Davis and Jerry Brown had to clean up the messes left behind. Unfortunately, Californians love to dance to the sounds of tax cuts and keep putting these dipshits back in charge to wreck the place. Amazing? It's why I have little hope for Kansas. Too many true believers who don't mind cutting off their own noses to spite their faces.
dhill926
(16,337 posts)this asshole has completely ruined the state.
TomCADem
(17,387 posts)Easy. Kansas Republicans give the people an easy scapegoat as though Muslims in Kansas were particularly prevalent.
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/trump-immigration-adviser-kris-kobach-wrote-book-muslim-registry-n685026
The man who helped write the book on creating a federal Muslim registry in the name of national security, now has Donald Trump's ear as a top member of his transition team.
Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach, a policy wonk with a reputation for handcrafting the legal means to political ends, says he has a plan to help Trump pull off some of his most contentious campaign promises.
Trump has explored a variety of methods to vet potential terror threats, targeting specifically Muslims by proposing outright travel bans or creating a federal database of all people in the United States who practice Islam.
Kobach believes Trump can take action immediately with the swipe of a pen. In an interview with Reuters this week, Kobach said Trump's immigrant transition team proposed drafting executive actions to reinstate a post-9/11 era program that registered immigrants and visitors from countries designated as havens for extremist activity.
demigoddess
(6,640 posts)turns out the experiment did not work.
Midnight Writer
(21,745 posts)Grins
(7,212 posts)From an NPR story - 38% of Clay County, KY's 21,000 residents live in poverty.
About 20% are disabled.
Before Obamacare only 7,000 were covered by Medicaid.
Today 12,600 are covered under Medicaid expansions that came from Obamacare and Democrats.
Before Obamacare 6,100 had no insurance. Zero. Bupkis. That number is now down to 2,100.
In 2015 these same people elected Matt Bevin to be governor, a guy who campaigned specifically on doing away with the healthcare program developed via Obamacare. The program that helps THEM.
He got 71% of the county vote.
Last November, Donald Trump received 86% of the county votes.
CNN ran a story about another region of Kentucky in coal country that voted overwhelmingly for Trump, and only NOW are they worried Trump is not going to bring coal back, and worse - is going to take away black lung benefits for the miners - and their widows!
Chillicothe, Ohio has a massive opioid and heroin addition problem to the point where deaths there tripled in just three years, creating a huge social problem, esp. for the children whose parents overdosed themselves into the grave. "What do we do with all theses children?"
County services are basically saying about those who overdose, "Who cares if they die."
Obama signed health legislation that included funding to fight that opioid epidemic.
In the last election, Chillicothe overwhelmingly voted - for Trump.
These people didn't vote their self-interest - they voted against their own survival! The people whose lives depend on those programs, voted for the guy who pledged to destroy them.
I'm now on the side of, "Fuck em'! They voted for those bastards, let them live under their capitalist oligarchical paradise. And die. Like those Republicans in Congress who only developed empathy for one illness, disease, or problem only when it affected themselves or their family, they need to really FEEL the results of their actions.
So kill Obamacare (All of it. Not just pieces), kill Social Security, kill Medicare and Medicaid. Let'em all go! I don't think there is any other way. As Mencken put it:
"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." - H. L. Mencken
demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)if he takes my retirement too
well, he will probably ensure that I die anyway
AJT
(5,240 posts)Kansas now.
A preview of what is coming nationally.
Initech
(100,063 posts)vinny9698
(1,016 posts)The voters already knew what they were going to get. And they are getting a double dose of it.
Joe Bacon
(5,164 posts)...That Brownback blasted his Democratic opponent for once stepping foot in a strip club...
Crash2Parties
(6,017 posts)(as if that wasn't the plan anyway)
turbinetree
(24,695 posts)It looks to me like were taking a payday loan, said Republican Sen. Carolyn McGinn. Were borrowing against ourselves again internally, and I think its just going to put us further away from where we need to get to.
Where are you trying to get too?
Dear Ms. McGinn, in the last two budget cycle's how did you vote on your state budgets?
You voted to gut your social safety nets, you attacked your state employees and your state is in worst condition and in jeopardy with it's bonds------------again, you also voted to give the Koch's and others in your state a tax break, did you by chance forget this?
So to balance the trickle down books you go after education, not the college level coaches pay, but the education of k-12 children--------------think about that for the moment------------robbing peter to pay the proverbial paul---------------amazing.
And then saying where do we need to to get to................
Your a hypocrite and your fascist party have given your fascist governor everything he wanted, and to top it all off, you gave the country one Kris Kobach and Cross Check.
The question is how do you sleep at night---------------with taxpayer dollars going around saying what you said, there is a old saying no s*** sherlock your in trouble
And for all of Kansan that keep voting to put people in office like her and the other republican fascists all you have to do is say no, it's really simple, and raise the taxes from the top of the food chain, that you protect, try it sometime, principles are more important than right wing fascist allegiance to a failed policy and party
agincourt
(1,996 posts)and some are stating that more tax cuts for the rich will "grow" Nebraska out of the budget shortfall. It never ends and I'm sure the governor's approval ratings will still stay high no matter what the budget debacle is. Yes we are all in Kansas now.
TexasTowelie
(112,127 posts)North Kansas.
Turbineguy
(37,319 posts)in office is a small victory for him. That's all that really counts.