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highplainsdem

(48,957 posts)
Mon Jan 9, 2017, 11:04 PM Jan 2017

Breakaway Senate Republicans Push to Delay Obamacare Repeal

Source: Bloomberg

A breakaway group of five moderate Senate Republicans pushed Monday to delay a bill repealing Obamacare until March -- potentially enough pressure to force the party’s leadership to comply.

The step is the latest sign of some Republicans’ growing uneasiness about their leadership’s plan to repeal the law with no consensus on a replacement as part of an effort to deliver swiftly on one of President-elect Donald Trump’s top campaign promises.

Senators Bob Corker of Tennessee, Rob Portman of Ohio, Susan Collins of Maine, Bill Cassidy of Louisiana and Lisa Murkowski of Alaska offered an amendment Monday to the budget resolution that would extend the target date for the committees to write an Obamacare repeal bill to March 3 from Jan. 27.

“As President-elect Trump has stated, repeal and replace should take place simultaneously, and this amendment will give the incoming administration more time to outline its priorities," Corker said in a statement. "By extending the deadline for budget reconciliation instructions until March, Congress and the incoming administration will each have additional time to get the policy right."

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Read more: https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-01-10/breakaway-senate-republicans-push-to-delay-obamacare-repeal

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Breakaway Senate Republicans Push to Delay Obamacare Repeal (Original Post) highplainsdem Jan 2017 OP
good. these guys hold the keys to the kingdom. i hope they use them wisely. mopinko Jan 2017 #1
Will they be able to impact 2018 elections with their votes? haele Jan 2017 #29
well, i think many people will try to wash off just enough of the stink. mopinko Jan 2017 #30
5 rebels GP6971 Jan 2017 #2
Assuming they arent being used as a token to try and fool the voters into thinking that some cstanleytech Jan 2017 #9
The only one I really know about GP6971 Jan 2017 #17
They're in for a rough ride ... LenaBaby61 Jan 2017 #27
Democracy in action. tenorly Jan 2017 #3
now we will see DonCoquixote Jan 2017 #4
Funny what happens when you make Phoenix61 Jan 2017 #5
Ha ha. This will free up some time for Trump on day one. Miles Archer Jan 2017 #6
Is that a fracture I see? Can we stick a wedge in it and hammer away? nt Hekate Jan 2017 #7
Democrats should STOP calling it Obamacare. keithbvadu2 Jan 2017 #8
Right! elleng Jan 2017 #12
Some do, others know and reflexively dislike it, too. herding cats Jan 2017 #22
Yes, I'm sure there are both. elleng Jan 2017 #23
Agree...I remember the debate between Obama and Romney DrToast Jan 2017 #14
I've been calling it the ACA since day 1... Rollo Jan 2017 #19
Messaging matters AllAmerican Jan 2017 #20
It matters hugely, elleng Jan 2017 #28
Yes. Hortensis Jan 2017 #34
lets face it America is fucked. olddad56 Jan 2017 #10
LOL They're just covering their own asses 50 Shades Of Blue Jan 2017 #11
No. Don't think so. Most of the Republican congress, Hortensis Jan 2017 #35
They are still Republicans. 50 Shades Of Blue Jan 2017 #36
And of course we're still Democrats, devoid of respect for hard Hortensis Jan 2017 #37
They are working hard to cover their asses. 50 Shades Of Blue Jan 2017 #38
Time to keep up the pressure and thank the GOP five even if it is just a GOP delay tactic Freethinker65 Jan 2017 #13
Armageddon AllAmerican Jan 2017 #15
Armageddon GP6971 Jan 2017 #18
Some of the Republicans are smart enough to realize repealing Thinkingabout Jan 2017 #16
Sen. Rand Paul has also spoken out against repeal w/o replace. Snarkoleptic Jan 2017 #21
Knew it would happen Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jan 2017 #24
even if the process is delayed elmac Jan 2017 #25
An extra 5 weeks should be plenty of time TexasBushwhacker Jan 2017 #26
They don't have enough time, as the whole "replace" idea was a sham. Xolodno Jan 2017 #31
Repeal it and replace it with same exact thing. Dave Starsky Jan 2017 #32
Delay till March? Blue Idaho Jan 2017 #33

mopinko

(70,069 posts)
1. good. these guys hold the keys to the kingdom. i hope they use them wisely.
Mon Jan 9, 2017, 11:06 PM
Jan 2017

and many their number increase. we are not going to see the monolithic voting block we are used to. these swing dudes will be the belles of the ball.

haele

(12,645 posts)
29. Will they be able to impact 2018 elections with their votes?
Tue Jan 10, 2017, 02:26 PM
Jan 2017

As in, does Portman think his appearance of "reasonableness" might be able to wash off the Trump stench of the brand in his state and possibly work to secure a Republican replacement for Sherrod Brown?
All these Republicans all been whipped into line before when push comes to shove come actual vote. I'm wondering what sort of political shuffling and posturing is going on right now.
You always need to follow the money when it comes to the actions and statements of pretty near all Republicans on the Federal Level - moreso than you would most Democrats.

Haele

mopinko

(70,069 posts)
30. well, i think many people will try to wash off just enough of the stink.
Tue Jan 10, 2017, 03:29 PM
Jan 2017

just enough to throw voters off the trail.

interesting times.

cstanleytech

(26,273 posts)
9. Assuming they arent being used as a token to try and fool the voters into thinking that some
Mon Jan 9, 2017, 11:11 PM
Jan 2017

Republicans actually care about the average american.

LenaBaby61

(6,974 posts)
27. They're in for a rough ride ...
Tue Jan 10, 2017, 02:53 AM
Jan 2017

And I see a house of cards falling in on these 5 Republicans in ....

5....4....3....2....1



They'll be FORCED to fall in line or ELSE by the other GOP hacks & assholes.

**PROVE ME WRONG AND HOLD OUT.**

tenorly

(2,037 posts)
3. Democracy in action.
Mon Jan 9, 2017, 11:08 PM
Jan 2017

It's amazing how humanist even the most craven fascist politicians can be, when faced with the prospect of being voted out.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
4. now we will see
Mon Jan 9, 2017, 11:08 PM
Jan 2017

what Mitch and Paul are willing to do, I have every bit of coincidence they will try some bs. Welcome to DC Mr. trump.

Phoenix61

(16,999 posts)
5. Funny what happens when you make
Mon Jan 9, 2017, 11:08 PM
Jan 2017

People own their own crap. I believe if the Dems keep pushing more repubs will follow these five.

keithbvadu2

(36,724 posts)
8. Democrats should STOP calling it Obamacare.
Mon Jan 9, 2017, 11:11 PM
Jan 2017

Democrats should STOP calling it Obamacare.

The GOP has framed it as stopping Obamacare which is an evil name to their base.

Start calling it only by the name 'ACA' and local names such as Kynect which people who have it like.

Many of the base do not know they are the same.

Keep hammering that republicans want to repeal what many of their base wants to keep.

'Republicans want to cancel your ACA health insurance'

herding cats

(19,558 posts)
22. Some do, others know and reflexively dislike it, too.
Tue Jan 10, 2017, 12:31 AM
Jan 2017

I've encountered both in my work. I'm only mentioning this so we don't get even more confused by our opposition and again think of them as a homogeneous group.

Many of the people I suggested should look up how they were one and the same refused to saying they didn't have to, because I was wrong and they didn't care. Most later began hating on the ACA on social media. This includes the husband of a person I knew personally whose wife died of breast cancer most probably due to a lack of preventive care.

These things aren't as simple as we'd like to believe they are.

DrToast

(6,414 posts)
14. Agree...I remember the debate between Obama and Romney
Mon Jan 9, 2017, 11:19 PM
Jan 2017

...where Obama agreed to call it Obamacare. I remember thinking that was a mistake at the time.

Rollo

(2,559 posts)
19. I've been calling it the ACA since day 1...
Mon Jan 9, 2017, 11:49 PM
Jan 2017

I never thought that calling it Obamacare was a good idea. Not that Obama wasn't a great president, but that it's a mistake to tie landmark legislation like that to an individual president. Plus, it was first used as a pejorative by the Republicans, trying to discredit what was essentially a Republican concept to begin with by linking it to a president that a significant portion of the Republican base thought was an "Obamanation". Obama decided to go with the nickname, perhaps thinking by embracing it he would rob it of its sting. Didn't work.

That said, the ACA was never a great name to begin with. Too much of a mouthful. Something brief but vaguely patriotic would have been better. Unfortunately, "Americare" was already taken by a private company.

In any case, the next few months should be very interesting. At its core, and in many of its details, the ACA is the spawn of a conservative approach to health care reform. It was originally a Heritage Foundation proposal, adopted by Romney in Massachusetts, and then dusted off and made national with the ACA. Now the GOP has the not undaunting task of repealing legislation that was first their idea, and replacing it with something that is still their idea. Health savings accounts and tax credits are a poor substitution, a band-aid approach.

Eventually we'll have a government that can enact real universal health care coverage. Until then, it will be pain in the neck.

AllAmerican

(2 posts)
20. Messaging matters
Mon Jan 9, 2017, 11:55 PM
Jan 2017

One of my most disappointed moments of the last 8 years was the first time I heard the President refer to the Affordable Care Act as Obamacare, and not in a sarcastic way.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
35. No. Don't think so. Most of the Republican congress,
Tue Jan 10, 2017, 07:52 PM
Jan 2017

especially house members, are extremists chosen to do serve the extremist plutocrats who got them elected. This group is solidly farther right than the typical Republican voter. But not all, and these Senators are not extremists.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
37. And of course we're still Democrats, devoid of respect for hard
Tue Jan 10, 2017, 09:45 PM
Jan 2017

work and...what's the term? Family values?

Hard to work up excuses for trump voters these days. Nevertheless, political bigotry is as poisonous as any other kind, and very dangerous to democracy, as this disastrous, dysfunctional, hyperpartisan election should have made appallingly obvious. Something to stomp on.

AllAmerican

(2 posts)
15. Armageddon
Mon Jan 9, 2017, 11:20 PM
Jan 2017

Even this attempt at caring for their fellow man is disingenuous. They are extending the goal post to distance themselves from the political and social Armageddon created by repealing the ACA.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
16. Some of the Republicans are smart enough to realize repealing
Mon Jan 9, 2017, 11:35 PM
Jan 2017

ACA would bring a revolution and change a lot of states blue. I am going to gently remind my Medicare friends if ACA goes away then losing the Donut hole in 2020 is just as gone, not a pleasant thought.

Snarkoleptic

(5,997 posts)
21. Sen. Rand Paul has also spoken out against repeal w/o replace.
Tue Jan 10, 2017, 12:25 AM
Jan 2017

Which should finally prove to his libertarian followers, that he's an intellectual fraud.
The people of KY love their Kynect and Medicade expansion, so he's selling out his Ayn Randian principals.

 

elmac

(4,642 posts)
25. even if the process is delayed
Tue Jan 10, 2017, 01:58 AM
Jan 2017

the damage is done, insurers will start dropping out, it will snowball out of control.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,161 posts)
26. An extra 5 weeks should be plenty of time
Tue Jan 10, 2017, 02:08 AM
Jan 2017

to come up with a replacement, since they've already had SIX FUCKING YEARS!

Xolodno

(6,390 posts)
31. They don't have enough time, as the whole "replace" idea was a sham.
Tue Jan 10, 2017, 04:28 PM
Jan 2017

Now they have to figure something out. They can't kill the thing this late in the game as it would be catastrophic and will result in a number of them losing their jobs next election.

Ryan will have it pass the house, thereby punting to the Senate. It will make him and his ilk look good for their constituents.

The Senate will be the one with the task of "replacing it". Which will basically be the same package but with some tweaks they've always stated they wanted:

1. Remove the medical device tax. Sets them for a future budget battle they will want.

2. Tort Reform. Make it harder to sue for malpractice and take away states rights in setting its own laws on this.

3. "Sell across state lines". Code words for federal regulation of the health insurance market. In other words, deregulate and take away the state's ability to veto a rate hike, require a higher level of prudence for the rate change, state mandated capital requirements, ability to sue/arbitrate/appeal moves to a harder and more crowded federal courts.

4. Bring back some of the junk plans.

Then they will punt back to the House and say they have replaced Obamacare, which will approve it.

Of course they will say it costs less to....well yeah, after you gut the regulations, etc.

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
32. Repeal it and replace it with same exact thing.
Tue Jan 10, 2017, 04:37 PM
Jan 2017

Call it Trumpcare this time.

No one will be angry and Cheetoh can take credit for it.

Blue Idaho

(5,044 posts)
33. Delay till March?
Tue Jan 10, 2017, 05:43 PM
Jan 2017

They won't have a workable plan to replace Obamacare by then... but I appreciate the first kick of the can down the road. I suspect there will be many more to come.

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